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raumdeuter:
VVD has only been in the spotlight for over 2yrs and we can see the amount of gifs we can generate.

Imagine if he has been in the spotlight since 2006 when Ramos faced Dinho or since 2010 like Boateng

Just a little over 2years largely in Klopps protected system and we have that many receipts, Imagine if he was playing weekly in Madrid "Answer your papa name" system

thorrvik55:
Which used to make?? Lol

Lindelof still makes such mistakes. I remember like three United games I watched this season that he made such mistakes (I think one resulted to a goal earlier this season).

timbros:
That's not the answer to my question

Can you use one second to identify a player moving into your zone, mark and win the ball off him?

timbros:
So you have to identify a player in your zone, mark him and win the ball in one sec?

Ibime:
Expert17, excuse my pedantry. The correct spelling is lose your marker not loose your marker. Below is how you apply them.

Why did Messi lose Ferdinand

The wheel nut has come loose

ChristineC:
this isn't about what you or I think, I'm not passing an opinion and I'm not to here to win. it's about the raw data available to work with so you don't need to help my thinking.

... if I bring if I bring... drop your facts let's see.
we are not here to evangelize or convince the other.
table the cheese, let's see this mighty works of Lord Henderson.

timbros:
And for the sake of emphasis, this is your comment that brought about all this argument.



Did you make this comment having in mind a player who invades Rudiger's zone? A player he is suppose to mark here simply means a player he is assigned to man mark.

timbros:
Yes true. But it doesn't mean Zouma lose any marker.

And stop shouting google Google Google. I can go to that very page in your screengrab, edit it to my taste and paste it here.

airmark:
Timbros eyes are defective. Magnify the image so that the font size will be like 80pts.

timbros:
The first part of that definition have already told you what zonal marking is all about. You don't mark a player. You cover a zone.

I don't know how you can lose a player you are not marking.

I don tire abeg.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The aim is to clear the ball out of your zone

If an opponent was in your zone, you're to clear the ball

If there is no opponent in your zone, you are to still clear the ball

No matter what, you must clear the ball. Clearing the ball is your goal, whether you see any opponent or not

You are just repeating what you both are saying indirectly. Some of us are reading

Don't make it stressful for us, please [/color]

timbros:
I think I have answered that before.

timbros:
No, you didn't lose him.

It means you failed to protect your zone very well.

Losing a player means you are marking a player, following him around and somehow he evades you to nod the ball. You have lost him. It might be as a result of his clever run, or you slipped while following him, or bodies blocked you and he went off.... All these can't happen when you are marking a zone.

timbros:
That was never my definition.

You mark your zone and if the ball drops in your zone, of course you are expected to clear the ball and if an opposing player is attacking the ball that moment, it means you have marked him by clearing the ball that drops in your zone.

That scenario is different from when the coach before the game says Expert17 mark Airmark, he is your man. In this case Expert will gum body with airmark everywhere not minding any zone. This is where you can lose your man.

timbros:
So how will you lose a player you have only 3secs to identify?

timbros:
1. Every coach goes into a game with a tactic in place. Either zonal marking or man marking. However, during the course of the game, if the defenders are struggling with that tactic the coach can tweak.

2. The defending players don't stand man to man with any body so you can't lose who you are not standing with. The problem is when a player misjudge their zone and an attacking player pounce in his zone. That is where experience comes in.

And the bolded is just hilarious. That you played professional football doesn't mean jack. Gary Neville wouldn't have conceded all those goals as a coach in Valencia that led to losing games and ultimately led to him being sacked because he played as a defender.

timbros:
Expert17 can you identify who is marking who in this image? Can you lose who you are not marking?

timbros:
Did Messi and Ferdinand contest that ball and Messi won?

timbros:
When you say Luke Shaw loses Fabinho, it mean Luke Shaw has Fabinho as his man in a man marking system. The same cannot be said of a zonal marking system.

Most goals conceded in zonal marking system is two players misjudging their zones in a millisecond and the opposing attacker pounce to nod the ball home. Check most goals we concede from set pieces, it's always a free nodding. Sometimes one will wonder "why should that guy freely nod that ball like that? Who should be marking him?" The answer is, no one really is marking him. Just that 2 neighbouring zone markers thinking the other person got it covered and in that millisecond of switching off, an opponent pounces.

That is where experience comes in. Chelsea defenders are struggling with this system. At some point, Lampard will change tactics to mixed zonal marking to salvage the game. But mostly Lampard too believe in zonal marking but our players are yet to master the system very well. And yes you are right, put Terry, Carvalho, Cahill and they will do better with their experience.

To clarify again, a defender don't lose a man in zonal marking because he was not assigned any man to mark in the first place.

timbros:
Again, I won't follow you in goal post shifting.

That goal was Ferdinand's fault 100%. No argument.

However what brought about Messi vs Ferdinand is not positioning, but winning aerial balls.
I said it will be something special if a player like Son or Messi with their physique won VVD in an aerial ball then Pkasso mentioned Messi vs Ferdinand as if they contested an aerial ball and Messi won then you confidently replied "thank you o"...

In that gif, did both of them contest the ball?

timbros:
I already explained the bolded in my last post.

Instead of you to accept you made a mistake to say Rudiger loses his man in a zonal marking you will just be looking for ways to shift goal post. Accept your mistake and move on.

airmark:
If you ask timbros what we call blindside defending, he will be looking like Ferdinand in that gif.

timbros:
Did you see the gif ChristineC posted above?

And to think you typed that "thank you o" with confidence ehn!

airmark:
Itmbros no know ball. Same as nitrogen.

timbros:
You don't get it.

In zonal marking, nobody marks anybody. You only mark an area. E.g when a corner kick is about to be played, all the players already knows the patch of areas he will cover if the ball comes. So whether it's Aguero, Jesus, Otamendi, Fernadinho, Sterling or whoever enters Rudiger's zone and the ball comes there, it is Rudiger's responsibility to attack and clear. Now this system is different from Man marking that Rudiger will be told to mark Aguero. So if its time for corner kick, Rudiger will always be with Aguero wherever he going. His job is 'don't lose Aguero'...

Now you said the bolded earlier...



You are wrong and I want to correct that.

Rudiger don't lose any player in zonal marking system because he doesn't mark any player. He only marks his zone.

ChristineC:
do you now agree there are at least three midfielders better than Henderson this season?

so our midfield can be
KdB (CMF) Ndidi (DMF) Maddison (AMF)

it's like I can see another forward here.

patrickmuf:
Go and watch Liverpool vs Everton and come back here and apologize.

timbros:
Pay attention to both coloured bolded part of your posts.

How will Rudiger lose a player when he is covering an area of the pitch?