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larride:
From 06/07 - 13/14 that they both play together in the EPL, check this out:

Vidic had:
More interceptions
More blocks
More tackles
More tackles won
More clearances
More aerial duel wons
More last man tackles
More headed clearances
More goals
More assists
More yellow cards
More red cards

Pray tell Expert, who was organizing who?

Larride,

We are comparing 2 players....their career.

You are bringing part of it.

Agenda must agend

raumdeuter:
Abe which kain yeye question be this?

mention one top defender VVD ever benched in his career

Its yeye question,....because i can mention 7+ club legends he displaced both @ club and country level...

Vidic just met better platform to express himself.

raumdeuter:
John stones also broke transfer fees he also debuted at age 20

WHich good platform was at Man utd when he joined?

You sabi avoid question...

you must answer this one.

Mention 2 top defenders Vidic ever benched in his career??

Ibeme:
Sorry to tell you, the only weak player there is Silvester and Carroll who are backups anyway.

All the rest are easily capable of winning leagues. It is their leader that is the problem. We saw this weak leadership in QPR later as he led them to relegation while they drank goals like kunu. We can expect old age to play a part in one-on-ones but their defense had the most shambolic disorganisation cos their leader has little defensive sense. He needed Vidic to lead him to be honest.

Ferdinard didnt play upto 15 games at QPR, he was injured and i think he lost his wife that same year......so QPR is out of it.

Those defenders/goalkeepers are just average at best,.. Ferguson knew why he bought Vandersar, Vidic and Evra within 2-3 transfer windows

raumdeuter:
Pre 2003 what was he doing in football? He was just like another John Stones who could pass and was hyped as a result

When you watch John Stones like Rio you will always see his reluctance to engage attackers but Peps defence doesnt cover him well so he gets exposed regularly

All those tactic of waiting to get support can only work when you outnumber the attacker, where its 3 attackers vs 4 defenders or 3 vs 3 how else do you handle it without engaging?

Before 2003, he broke Defender transfer fee twice....

He became the youngest defender to debut for England(1997).

Mention 2 top CB Vidic ever benched in his career?? ...... he met a good platform to perform at United.
Ferdinard benched lot of stars at club and country

Ibeme:
Xavi played from like 1998 to 2016, yet we only use 2008 to 2012 to judge him.

He played 1996-2015, yet achieved next to nothing except the 6 years when Vidic stabilised him.

Before that, we have already given him the tag of John Stones, hyped in smaller clubs but becoming a laughing stock when he reached the club where reliability matters.

How will ferninard play well with this team

Caroll/Howard
G.Neville Ferdinard. Brown/Oshea/Silvestre P.neville/Heinze

(thou, he was in team of the year 2004/2005)
Vidic will struggle with this players

Someone played in EPL from 1996 - 2015.................you are using 2003-2006 to judge him

Even Maldini/Cannaravo/ Nesta will suffer with the defenders and goalkeepers in Man Utd during 2003-2006.

raumdeuter:
That Matic na average he is like the Serbian Olofinjana. He is just big. That was why he got bundled out of Chelsea when Kante joined. Same reason he has been getting benched at Man Utd

When last did you watch Man utd match

He was bundled out, when jorginho joined...... What has Kante and the Jorginho played since then

raumdeuter:
Remove Matic first, Busquets intercepts a lot of balls. And he doesn't run away from attackers like VVD

They are similar, ....the 3 of them.

I should remove Matic and put Pashunate Jorginho??

raumdeuter:
He can only do that because there are people who are going to do the dirty work for him
Defending is a dirty job, its not for people who are scared of confrontation

How does Busquet, Carrick and Matic excel so much in defensive midfield role without strength and robust tackling

Godx:
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He does that in a smart way, cutting off the angles and basically forcing the attacker into a bad choice. He is incredible in 1 vs 1 situations. Committing to the tackle is for guys who aren't confident of their ability to force a striker into a bad position. i can smell your hatred for him all through your post. You have sworn never to admit anything about him so let's just end it. I don't like people that can never be objective.

They like seeing defenders sliding up and down.....

They don't like technical players

raumdeuter:
How many goals did you concede in 2013 vs 2011?

Who was the goalkeeper in 2011 vs 2013??

raumdeuter:
Ferdinand was out injured playing 1700mins, and Vidic partnered Oshea Evans and Brown in Center defence without looking like a clown

Move Vandersar from the post, also Evra...lets see what will happen.

2012/2013, Raphael. Ferdinard. Evans, Evea played most also, . and we won the league

raumdeuter:
But Vidic in 2011 was leading Evans Oshea Brown to win the EPL without looking like a disaster

Haaaaaa

Van dersar, Ferdinard and Evra are part of our first choice defence in 2011......

I dnt know where you get this ones from oo

raumdeuter:
Ramos played Ajax in Amsterdam in their own stadium and they scored once.
He played many top teams when Madrid won the treble CL and stopped a lot of them

The only thing we will remember Ramos for, is those UCL goals, he do score at critical moment...

You can't say Ramos did something spectacular in defence.....

raumdeuter:
Ferdinand was slightly above average then he was like John Stones at Everton

I watched him at Leeds then and he was just like Stones, The same way Stones was bought for a record fee was how Rio was bought, given he was English and he flopped badly until they brought Vidic beside him to stabilize him, The highest point of Rios career was when Vidic played beside him

You are asking what Vidic did in Spartak? What he did was what led Man Utd to sign him from Russia and throw him into the first team immediately

Even Maldini/Nesta/Cannavaro will flop with this players.

Caroll

G neville. Sylvester. Oshea.

raumdeuter:
If Ramos has won with Navas Casillas with him leading the defence, So how is DeGeas failure on Ramos. Last CL without Ramos, Madrid conceded 3 at home to Ajax

De gea perform better with Man utd than Spain...

Courtois perform better with country than Real madrid...

So Ramos will stop ajax from scoring The best Ramos can do, is to score for madrid....he is good in that

kendrick93:
Vidic had weekness that where sometimes exploited by mostly quick players .
But according to you, he was superhuman

Just like Owen and Rooney....Ferdinard peaked early...
He had already played 10 seasons in the world toughest league at the very top, ....Vidic was in farmers league then...

All those 2010 upwards, ...Ferdinard legs were almost gone, just using brain to defend...

popizaino:
Puyol is exact opposite of what you described above and not even your beloved perfect ferdinand will agree with you on this that puyol was overrated.for someone to keep both delima and c.ronaldo at bay when it mattered most he can't certainly be overrated.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Ni0v0D_x0

You want to use Youtube video to judge a player?

If i bring Phil Jones, Zouma, Mustafi youtube videos here.... You won't beleive it

raumdeuter:
Ramos was leading the Madrid defence to win the CL whether its Casillas or Navas. Who were these keepers that flopped with Ramos in front of them

Was Luiz ever the leader of a defence that suceeded? When he led Brazil at home, it led to his expulsion from the NT

De gea and I can also put Courtois there...

Forget abt David luiz.

I like Ramos personally, but his defending is not that solid...

raumdeuter:
Its Rio that they will be happy behind or VVD that will escort them to goal to preserve his "I didnt get dribbled" record

Keylor Navas behnd Ramos won 3 CL. That is one keeper who will be glad he has Ramos in front of him

Or Casillas who had him in front to win the world cup and Euros

I will pick Vidic ahead of Ramos, ...

Navas did well, I agree.....but every summer, why was De gea always wanna join then

Casilas is the only keeper, that was superb for me..and Pepe and some other defender was present then

Mention the list of keepers that Flooped due to Ramos lack of leadership from back.

Ramos is just David luiz 2.0

kendrick93:
Ramos is the biggest myth I have seen so far in football....
There's nothing special in his defending, commits red cards,
but I'm told he's a great defender...

Ramos is just a good defender.

Any CB that tackle with two legs, up and down the field is a great defender to them....

No Goal-keeper will be happy to play behind Ramos.

eph12:
You just validated what you quoted

Nope,
He is saying Vidic won 2 EPL best player, Ferdinard none...

I said, Henderson is a strong contender for EPL best (might win it) also with EPL trophy..... But that doesn't mean he is better than Gerrard.

kendrick93:
I'm not a United fan BTW.
On Reddit and Redcafe Ferdinand is rated as the better of the two...

EPL players, both past and current, media and EPL officials voted Tony Adams and Ferdinard as all time EPL CB pairing.....pangolo nairaland analyst shouting Vidic.

He should mention just 2 good defenders, Vidic ever benched in his whole career.

The same nairaland analyst that will pick Jorginho over Matic because of Pashun.

Ibeme:
You can only tell me what you read and what you are influenced by, not what you know and witnessed. Just like you read about Pedro playing against Manure in 2007/2008.

Meanwhile you are discussing with someone who watched EPL weekly in Ferdinands debut season.

Ferdinand was highly rated in the way that a young player is rated as good and certain mistakes overlooked. He was even touted as a midfielder and played there a few times for West Ham. You make few mistakes at West Ham and Leeds, it's quickly forgotten and your status remains high eg John Stones at Everton. When you come to Manure where every mistake could be the difference between winning and losing the league or UCL, it is a different ball game. Ferdinand was becoming unreliable from 2003 to 2006. Those mistakes of his youth would not be overlooked now.

Vidic is the Mr Reliable who performed mostly without error until about 2011, to the point where the only mistakes he made vs Torres turned into stuff of legend. For anything Vidic goofed against Torres, Ferdinand has goofed 5 times and went unremarked cos expectations are different.

1.You are not smart......if i use google, i will know
that Pedro didn't play that game...

2. You can't compare 1996-2015 with 2006-
2015.....go and bring Vidic statistics from
other clubs.
3. The kind of defenders Ferdinard benched @
west ham, Leeds, Manchester united and.
England national team.... If I mention them,
you will run away

4. Twice EPL defender transfer record... It's not joke.

5. Vidic had more errors leading to goals, red card, yellow card, pk conceded than Ferdinard.

6. Ferdinard went 53 games straight without yellow card.... Vidic can't make 5 straigt tackles without foul.

Go and rest abeg

Ibeme:
It is a current primary school student that may come and tell you in 10 years that Hendo was better than Gerrard cos he captained an EPL and UCL winning side.

Same way Expert17, a clueless primary school student of the 2000s is telling me today that Ferdy was better than Vidic because he read on Google that Ferdy has been in EPL since 1996 and broke transfer records while Vidic was still in Serbia and Russia.

The education/information you are receiving from me, is making you shiver....thats why you are shouting Google...

If you want to compare them go to Vidic CV and bring out his record at all his clubs, not just from 2006-2013.....then compare with Ferdinard.

Vidic won 2 EPL best player.....Ferdinard was included in EPL all time 11..

Ibeme:
Not young Manure fans like yourself who were still teenagers or primary school students when Vidic and Ferdinand were together and are influenced by media.

I would rather take the independent panel of experts at the time who twiceade Vidic Premier League player of the year. I'm not talking of EPL team of the season which any attache to team success can win. I mean someone considered the best player in the whole league twice by Independent observers.

Henderson might end up winning player of the season this year..... He will end up winning EPL title..gerrard couldn't win it.... Still, you can't compare him with GERRARD

Use your brain...

Intelligence doesn't come with age

Ibeme:
You are a Google analyst. I bet you are not up to 25 years old sef.

Who cares what Ferdinand did from 19 kporodim to 2057.

We are talking about 2006 to 2011 which is the period Ferdinand won anything worth writing home about, and Vidic was his senior in everything, twice winning Premier League player of the year.

If you check Ferdinand team and individual honours, 95% of any honours he will point to is in the 5 year period when Vidic came to rescue his career.

I suspect you are a young man who only started coming into his senses post 2011 when Vidic was on the wane.

Go to Nairaland archive and bring out Vidic statistics at Spartak moscow and Inter Milan...


Vidic had more own goals, red cards, yellow cards, error leading to goals, Pk conceeded than Ferdinard

Ibeme:
Younger fans who were not in their grown up senses will add to Ferdys votes as he is ever present in the media till today while Vidic disappeared off our screens when he left Manure

Vidic was voted greatest EPL defender of all time on Sky Sports.

Sky sport is not the owner of EPL


Official EPL team of all time.....Tony Adams and Rio Ferdinand are the CB

Ibeme:
You no sabi anything.

You're a YouTube watcher.

The only striker that Vidic struggled against in EPL was Torres

It came as much of a surprise as Vidic never had problem with anyone else and was given much press and highlighted for you YouTube revisionists.

Those of us watching the stuff live just know Torres was Vidic only weak point, while Ferdinand struggled against many strikers to where it was not worth highlighting.

It's just like any striker that toro VVD today will get much press coverage as opposed to someone like Rudiger who gets regularly washed

Vidic was far and above the dominant defender of that era. That's why independent panel twice voted him Premier League player of the season. Ferdinand own awards were never individual, just team of the season awards, as a result of team success.

Nairaland football watcher....

You are comparing Ferdinard that started playing in EPL from 1996 and ended in 2015, to Vidic peak years of 2006-2013..... Go and bring Vidic past records at former clubs and inter Milan let's see..... You no sabi ball.

Ferdinard was the youngest defender to ever play for England national team then....

He already had over 100 appearances bfor year 2000...

He broke defender world transfer record Twice...

He was already captaining a great leeds United side @ 21

Comparing Vidic peak years to Ferdinard whole careers...... Am sure you didn't watch Vidic at Spartak moscow and Inter Milan.

Go and sit down

eph12:
We were talking about Vidic and Ferdy, you went to bring Smalling and Jones, how does this correlate? Okay who is better na, now you are confused

I brought in Smalling and Jones, so you can understand the point of CB division of duties and rating of defenders better.


Judging from all aspect

Ferdinand is better than Vidic

Smalling is better than Jones

eph12:
So who is better between the two?

Swissh where you know Ephraim from??