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eph12:
Are you trying to ask who was the better defender between Jones and Smalling?

It's simple.

Relate it,to the question you asked earlier, u will understand.

Jones go for the tackle/block first, .... But doesnt mean he is better than Smalling.

afrodoc2:
Ferdinand handled Torres better than Vidic did.
Liverpool Torres used to dash Vidic yellow and red cards.
It is known.

2007/2008 we played Barcelona(Messi, Xavi, Eto, Iniesta, Pedro) home and away and kept clean sheet in both legs without Vidic playing a single minute......Ferdinard anchored the back line....

Ferdinard once played 53 matches straightt without yellow card from March 2009 to October 2011..... Vidic cant make 5 straight tackles without committing foul...

With positioning you don't have to be tackling up and down or getting your kit dirty like Phil Jones, Mustafi..... Your brain will do most work for you...

Ferdinard is nicknamed Rolls-Royce for a reason

eph12:
The game Ferdy faced Torres, he struggled. Why was Vidic the one facing the top strikers?

2014-- 2016 when we play both Jones and Smalling as CB pairing....why was Jones the one going to tackle the top strikers

kendrick93:
I'm not most of y'all who only read stories about those players..
I watched them 247 and they not infallible as what your types are portraying here......
The same vidic was terrorized by any striker who had pace and skill which was where Ferdinand came in...
Rio was Fast,agile....so he had no problems with such players....
Vidic excelled against physical players which was his forte.....
Don't let Nostalgia blind you

@bolded....you sabi ball....

Vidic just enjoy those one on one battle with strong attackers ( drogba).... Against Fernando Torres and the rest, you wont see him.

Ferdinard reads the game better, more calm, .....

The same people will say Michael Carrick is not a top defensive midfielder because he dnt jump into tackles like the rest

Doctor wan cash out for the woman head....

Her EGUNGUN was abit careful

eph12:
I'm glad you can see that you're not making sense.

Maybe to you..........Unless Ferguson also don't know what he was doing then...

9 out of 10 times,.....The highest scoring club wins the league.

Ferguson lost 2011/2012 with 6 goals and was conceding late goals ( e.g Man utd 4- Everton 4)...... he went ahead to sign attack minded players Powell, Kagawa and Van persie.

eph12:
So you're saying that United will wait to see how many goals City scored, then out score them? And as City were not scoring as before, they decided to relax as there was no need to score more?

Ephraim what is this

eph12:
You claimed that Fergie brought in Van P because since we were leaking goals and it was De gea fault, and we needed to score more. We ended up scoring less.

The aim was to outscore opponent not to outscore last season..........

-2011/2012 we scored 89, and we were not the highest scorers in EPL (Man city scored 93).........We were conceding late goals this season

-2012/2013 we scored 86, and we were the highest goal scorers in EPL...........we were scoring late goals this season.

- The way opponent defenders prepare when facing Rooney is different from how they prepare when facing Rooney and Van persie

- It is easier for De gea to make a match winning save than keeping clean sheet

eph12:
So without Van P, United scored 89 goals.

Van P came, we scored 86 goals.

You dnt get the gist....

2 things involved

1. Van persie addition to what we have is scary, will make teams to be more defensive when we face them (Rooney and Van persie were the top 2 highest goal scorer 2011/2012)

2. Fergies instruction was pass to Van persie,... the goals wont be that distributed among the players

spillo1:
LMFAO.....Sorry I had to come back to this. Is that puyol I am seeing lmao. Puyol that couldn't read a game to save his life and his positioning was garbage. Puyol the Spanish Carrager and last ditch tackle merchant. Small boy are you even up to 20.

He smuggled in Boateng like cocaine there,..

spillo1:
It's baffling the length people will go to sell their agenda. Unlike Vidic who was the last piece of a world class defense, Ferdinand found himself the main man in a very weak defense. Mick was a poor man's Rojo, our goalkeepers were garbage, Blanc was finished, Oshea was blowing hot and cold and Wes brown had a long term relationship with the treatment room. The only two solid
defenders that were manageable was Neville and Heinze,

Atleast Ferdinard played well at West ham, Leeds and United

vidic was just united...........flopped @ inter

eph12:
Was that an own goal?

Even a learner will know that De gea doesn't keep much clean sheet.....

Thats the difference in us loosing 2011/2012...... we would have won 2011/2012 with Vandersar in goal...

Ferguson didnt buy another CB for 2012/2013,.... instead he bought Van persie, Powell and Kagawa to improve the attack,..... to outscore our opponent, because De gea wont keep clean sheet.

Ibeme:
Fergie last season was not won on defence but on RVP goals. Most of your matches that season were score me, I score you with results like 3-2 a regular occurrence.

You conceded 43 fücking goals that season, worse than all your rivals.

Better than loosing the league with just 6 goals

spillo1:
LMFAO.....Spot on again. Ferdinand actually won the league playing alongside old man Blanc & Silvestre, with Neville and calamity Barthez if I remember correctly. That was how good
he was.

He is not good Leeds united paid 18m (Transfer record), made captain at 21 years old,....... left for Manchester United 2002 @ 30m, breaking the transfer fee again....

From this range 1992-2013........ 2003 - 2006 was fergie worst time @ united because of those stupid keepers and defenders .......P.neville, Heinze, Howard, Caroll etc

Ibeme:
How old were you from 2002 to 2006?

Answer that question first before we go any further.

Same way some argue that Alison and Robertson solved Liverpool defence, not VVD.

Evra is an attacking fullback, what does he have to do with solving the centre of a leaking defence?

We know what we witnessed first hand and what the general consensus was - Ferdy was struggling before Vidic stabilised him.

And no, Ferdinand is not an organiser. He has always been the junior partner. Slaven Bulic organised him at West Ham, Woodgate organised him at Leeds and he was struggling for organisation till Vidic organised him at Manure. Even when he went to QPR as a senior man, he couldn't organise.

Even though Vidic was indomitable and aggressive in the air and physically strong, he was the organiser. Rio's job is to deal with footraces and passing the ball out of defence.

2002 i was old enough to know how good Ferdinard was for Sir Alex to break our transfer record....
Why wont he struggle, he will partner Brown today, Oshea tomorrow, Silvestre next tomorrow, Blanc another time
Caroll, Howard and Barthez dropping album week in- week out

Evra is attacking, also got the energy to recover..... If you dnt know Evra was an upgrade to P.neville and Heinze, i cant help you again.

For the last time Vanderser, Vidic and Evra improved our back-line not just Vidic.

Fergie last season 2012/2013 Ferdinard and Evans played most of the matches.

Leyqute:
Is that how to compare 2 defenders? You totally ignore their defensive stats and bring up their teamplay and attacking stats?

In that case Christian Benteke >>>>>> Ronaldo 9. He can defend better and tackles well. LoooL.

Why do you guys rate TAA and Robertson

raumdeuter:
Can you quote where I made this statement so we can understand the context. Then I will explain, It shouldnt be hard to dig out since its just a few days ago

Your EPL team of all time..... You picked Ivanovic ahead of G.neville and also state that even TAA is ahead of neville.

U shud remember now

Ibeme:
Ferdinand was definitely carried by Vidic cos Manure defence was open from 2002 when Ferdinand joined till 2006 when Vidic joined

It was only when Vidic joined that that defence stabilised, before that Ferdinand was becoming a laughing stock

Big lie.....

Caroll, Howard and Barthez committing blunder every game ......costing more than 7+ points per season

Even left back was rubbish,.... Oshea, Heinze, P.Neville managing there...

Vidic, Evra and Vanderser solved the back line isssue, not just vidic

raumdeuter:
I have given you the link, Go and check them and compare their defensive stats

Do you rate attackers by their ability to defend? E.g if Lukaku has more goal-line clearance than say Aguero so he should be rated by that?

Just last week,.....this was your statement

Trent Arnold is better than Gary neville ....... you have to explain this

raumdeuter:
A defenders first job is to defend.

Yes.....some can both defend and help in attack

Some of vidic statistics is missing,.... but cant be upto Van dirk

raumdeuter:
Something like this not just traffic warden pointing on the field and forming community organizer

This is why Vidic will always be better than that Dutch Sanwooolu

Compare their team play and contribution to attack.......you will understand better

raumdeuter:
Nesta organizing? Organizing who? Neither Nesta nor Canavaro needs an organizer

Vidic and Ferdinard

Carvalho and Terry

Boateng and Hummels

Ramos and Pique

Mascherano and Pique

Bonucci and Chellini

the list goes on...... it must be both

spillo1:
Same reason why a player like busquet is not rated here enough compared to someone like kante because he doesn't run around fouling people.

They like PASHUNATE player.

raumdeuter:
The greatest CB partnership in this century is probably Nesta Cannavaro both were active and no one is pointing upandan forming leadership on the field

Nesta was the sweeper/organizer ................Cannavaro go for the kill

Same as Chellini (organizer/sweeper) .......Bonucci go for the attacker

Defence is 70% positioning ............30% of the rest

raumdeuter:
How many games did Kompany and Laporte even play together? Laporte joined January 2017. City had already won 2 league titles before then

So if Kompany was the aggresive partner and needed a brain and thinker, who was thinking for him before Laporte got there? Was it Mangala, Demichelis, Otamendi or Lesscott

Kompany was the only sensible CB @ Man city for a long time, that is why Mancini, Pellegrini and Guardiola always go for CB in all the transfer windows............


The effect of Kompany bn the only solid CB, wont show because Man city are always with the ball for 70 % of the match.....Same thing with Barcelona, their CB issues wont show because of possesion.

nitrogen:
Lol, you sha don agree that VVD is a point and shout defender.

Ferdinard, Terry, also point and shout very well.... they are like the coach in the field

CB position is sensitive,....the 2 CBs cant just dive into tackles/interception/Aerial battle the same time..

Show me any GREAT CENTER BACK PARTNERSHIP, i will show you the 5 & 6 there...

raumdeuter:
These category are those who hide from the ball and claim they are organising defence, When Ferdinand left who was organising Man Utd defence? Was it Evans or Oshea

Football is an activity not a presentation where you will be pointing and organising

How come Chelsea won the CL without their so called brain of the defence

Between Ramos and Varane who won 3 CL, who was the brain of the defence?

When Kompany paired Mangala, Lescott, Otamendi Demichelis who was the brain of the defence? Does it sound right that Mangala, Otamendi Demichelis or Lesscott were the brain of anything? When they left City how is that brain working for them

Smalling organized the defence under Vangaal/Mourinho..
Maguire is doing same now........

Some players can play both 5 & 6.....Maguire, Ramos....

Thats why Man city best partnership to me was Kompany and Laporte....... Man city defensive issues is one of the reasons Liverpool is strolling to the title

Man Utd also won 1999 UCL without Scholes and Keane.......... So terry not playing in 2012 doesn't change anything abt his quality

spillo1:
Can't believe I am agreeing with you but you nailed it.In modern defending the centrebacks act as a partnership, one attacks the ball, the other tracks the runner. Both Centre backs dont do the same job. Most people will always believe the more aggressive partner is better than the calm ones who read the game better that's why it always comes down to preference and style of play we like.

People do think the CB that tackle most is the best....

Terry/Ferdinard/Van dirk study the game better....

Check Liverpool back line organization last season/this season, most opponent attack end up bn offside, ....Mr Van dirk will point and shout to arrange the offside trap, making defending easy for them.

They are 2 different positions in central defence....5 & 6.
One is the first to tackle/mark/intercept (Vidic, Carvalho, Kompany), the other cover up, organize the back 4, and also the brain of the defence, good with the ball, can join attack( Ferdinand, Terry, Van dirk).

You can't just say one is better than the other....

The vidic/Carvalho/Kompany will struggle against skillful attackers but overcome strong attackers...

Ferdinard/Terry will struggle against physical attackers but overcome skillful attackers.

We should try signing Wilfred Ndidi... 50m

Ighalo will toast him

IPOB memebers are getting it hot hot this morning ooo

From Nnamdi Kanu death to yam photo shoot

Wetin IPOB no go see for BUHARI regime