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Christianity Etc › Re: The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 4:04pm On Sep 06, 2014

JesusisLord85: Haha these people taught the same people scattered abroad.

What did Peter say about Paul.

2 Peter 3:15-16
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Let's look at the prophets to see who was scattered.

Deut 28:64 And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Ezekiel 22:15 And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume thy filthiness out of thee.

Psalms 60:1 "O God, thou hast cast us off, thou hast scattered us, thou hast been displeased; O turn thyself to us again."

To scatter MUST mean that which was scattered was once held together. Why the heck would that be true of the other nations.

My brother, there is no new religion. Yahshua is the fulfilment of prophecies that date back to even Enoch. Funny, none of those mention anything like creating a religion, lead by the heathen. That would just be ridiculous.

Shalom

How are those places you quoted talking about Norther Israel alone as you said the NATION being referred to by Peter was Northern Israel? What happened to other parts of Israel?

But come my friend, why all your oppositions if truly you are a Christian? It is this same you who said salvation is of the Jews against the words of Jesus in Mat. 28:19 and some other verses of the NT.

Besides, don't you know the aims of the thread? I tried to disabuse the mind of muslims who erroneously are claiming the Arab is the nation Jesus said he was going to transfer God's kingdom, meaning islam is the new kingdom.

The next thing you would say is call my post''utter nonsense''. What do you mean by that? How is this in support of the truth that the new nation is the Christian body and not islam? Mind your language if you are a Christian.

Shalom!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Christian Salvation True Or False by eyeopener: 3:17pm On Sep 06, 2014

OP

Keep making yourself happy with islamic falsehood. I pity you. Steven when being stoned to death saw Jesus in heaven before he gave up the ghost. Many people including muslims who were given the grace to see heaven never came back and remained muslims. They saw the reality for themselves. None of you could tell where Muhammad is now, taking into account of those unimaginable wicked deed of his. Nobody saw him in heaven even among the muslims.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 2:52pm On Sep 06, 2014

JesusisLord85: 1 Peter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,"

Who was "scattered"? Northern Israel.

James lets you know this dude.

James 1:1 "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."

Understand the law and prophets, and your new testament won't seem like a maze to you any longer.

And read my post in its entirety. Your response was too fast, which suggests you have not read it.

Shalom

You are making the same mistake, man! James 1:1 was talking to the twelves tribes of Israel, while I Peter 1:1 was talking to strangers scattered even to Asia.

Your argument is not constructive and people like you make non-Christian mock Christianity. Smh!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 2:43pm On Sep 06, 2014

JesusisLord85: Please highlight the sentence which offends you. Let me help you here.

I cannot highlight anything, am using phone now.

You mean you have given up on your error of 'Northen Israel?'. Read I Peter 1:1 and state whom Peter was talking to. Smh!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 2:37pm On Sep 06, 2014

JesusisLord85: Please explain how it is fraudulent.

Was Yahshua not a man of Judah? Of the SEED of Joseph?

Your white jesus, according to you, had no father, and came to bring everyone back into covenant. Funny that, the 'everyone' you speak of were never in the covenant in the first place.

"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews"

With what you have written, Jesus is not your Lord. Your username is fraudulent.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 2:34pm On Sep 06, 2014

JesusisLord85: The other nation is Ephraim, i.e. Northern Israel.
Which nation of christians? Utter nonsense. Up until Acts 11, Christ was preached only to the Jews (those of the Kingdom of Judah).

Read this post and understand the truth of the gentiles.

https://www.nairaland.com/1885089/gentiles-irrefutable-proof-modern-day-christianity

Stack ignorance. So I Peter 2:9 is addressing Norther Israel? Read I Peter 1:1 and discover your error.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 2:28pm On Sep 06, 2014

lepasharon: How can Christianity be recognised by God when it has pagan origins ?

Says who? Fabrications by haters of Christianity.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 2:26pm On Sep 06, 2014*

JesusisLord85: Salvation is of the Jews.

Salvation is of the Jews? You lack the right knowledge of the bible.

Go ye therefore and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost (Mat. 28,19).

Your username is fraudulent, I can expect any less from a fraudster.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 1:54pm On Sep 06, 2014

Zikdik: Which kain blockhead be this?
Proving the Bible with the Bible.

I doubt if you can see well.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 1:18pm On Sep 06, 2014

I thought the muslims would try to debunk the absolute truth. They are silent as they were in the muslim section before mac angrily deleted it even though the thread contains no offence.

Islam › Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 9:59am On Sep 06, 2014

Nowhere did the Bible talk about Muhammad or islam. Muslims fabricated it. Jesus said Moses and other prophets spoke concerning Him, not Muhammad:

And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, he expounded unto them in ALL the Scriptures [/b]the things concerning [b]HIMSELF (Luke 24:27).

And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44

Matthew 21:43: 43 Therefore I tell you, "the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a different nation" producing the fruits of it.

Islam › Re: Muhammad(pbuh) In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 9:52am On Sep 06, 2014

Nowhere did the Bible talk about Muhammad or islam. Muslims fabricated it. Jesus said Moses and other prophets spoke concerning Him, not Muhammad:

And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, he (Jesus) expounded unto them in ALL the Scriptures [/b]the things concerning [b]HIMSELF (Luke 24:27).

And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44

Matthew 21:43: 43 Therefore I tell you, "the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a different nation" producing the fruits of it.

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Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) In The Bible by eyeopener: 9:44am On Sep 06, 2014

Nowhere did the Bible talk about Muhammad or islam. Muslims fabricated it. Jesus said Moses and other prophets spoke concerning Him, not Muhammad:

And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, he expounded unto them in ALL the Scriptures the things concerning HIMSELF (Luke 24:27).

And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44

Matthew 21:43: 43 Therefore I tell you, "the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a different nation" producing the fruits of it.

Christianity Etc › The Root (Why Only Christianity Is Recognized By God) by eyeopener(op): 8:51am On Sep 06, 2014*

WHY ONLY CHRISTIANITY IS RECOGNIZED BY GOD

In the beginning Abraham had a wife, her name was Sarah. Sarah had a slave, her name was Hagar. God promised Abraham that he was going to have a son, Isaac but the fulfillment of the promise tarried. Sarah advised Abraham to go into Hagar , her slave for him not to die childless. Abraham met with Hagar and the result was the birth of Ishmael.

The Covenant

Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Genesis 17:21
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year

This covenant is confirmed in the Quran:

Surah 29:27] And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the prophethood and the Scripture among his seed, and We gave him his reward in the world, and lo! in the Hereafter he verily is among the righteous.

True, God blessed Ishmael because he was the seed of Abraham but had no covenant of prophethood with him. His covenant was with Isaac. Both the bible and quran confirm it (Gen. 17:19-21, Quran 29:27). God could not have sent a prophet through Ishmael seed, i.e Muhammad.

The reality is that, true to God’s covenant with Isaac, all of the prophets came through Isaac’s lineage up to Jesus Christ.

Jesus Is The Last Prophet From God the Father

Mark 12:1-7
And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.

And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.

And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.

And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.

Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'

Having yet therefore one son and the last is indicative of the truth that Jesus is the last to be sent by God.

Jesus is He Who sends Prophets After Him

Matthew 23:34
"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

Therefore any prophet not sent by Jesus to preach His Gospel is a false prophet.

Some of the True Prophets Sent by Jesus

Ephesians 4:10-11
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Acts 15:32
And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.

Acts 10:43
To him bear all the prophets witness, that through his name every one that believeth on him shall receive remission of sins.

Muhammad was not a prophet from Jesus and his teachings contradict that of Jesus.

Jesus Gospel is God’s Final Message to the World

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Only the Gospel of Jesus should be preached till the end will come, i.e till Judgment Day. This does not allow for Islam or any other religion to come.

Unfortunately, muslim try to find the source of Islam in the Bible, both in the Old Testament and New Testament. All these are fabrications. Every bible prophecy talks only about Jesus.

Matthew 21:43: 43 Therefore I tell you, "the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a different nation" producing the fruits of it.

Who was Jesus addressing in that verse? The answered is in verse 45: "And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them". Therefore Jesus was addressing the chief priests and Pharisees as a NATION. The kingdom was actually taken away from them and given to the Christian as a NATION.

Referring to the Christians to whom the Kingdom has been given, the bible says: But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an HOLY NATION, a peculiar people......(I Peter 2:9).

A study of the verse reveals: PRIESTHOOD has been transferred from the Priests and Pharisees to the Christians as a HOLY NATION.

MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE:

HOLY SPIRIT

Muhammad’s grandfather’s name was Muttaleb, his father was Abdullai. They were idol worshipers – Satan’s devotees. How could the Holy Spirit of God be born by servants of the Devil. Impossible. Besides, even the Quran does not call Muhammad the Holy Spirit but “messenger.

MUHAMMAD THE PROPHESIED PROPHET

Nowhere did the Bible talk about Muhammad or islam. Muslims fabricated it. Jesus said Moses and other prophets spoke concerning Him, not Muhammad:

And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, [/b]he expounded unto them in [b]ALL the Scriptures the things concerning HIMSELF (Luke 24:27).

And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44

Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 6:12pm On Sep 05, 2014

bYousouph: at first you asked is Allah the God of Israel

Who is the God of other nation if bible God is God of Isreal?

God of Israel is the only True God, the God of the Bible. This is why muslims want to associate with Him by quoting the Bible.

The God of a nation could be the True God or any Deity. It depends on who they choose to worship or are deceived by their Deity that he is the True God. But any God of any nation that curses, speaks or does anything against the people of the Bible on religious ground is an enemy of the True God.

Allah talks so little about the pagans and atheists and devoted a larger pages of the Quran cursing and condemning the Jews and the Christians. If truly, islam is the religion of Abraham, why would allah hate the children of Isaac so much. Remember Isaac is a son of Abraham with whom God made an EVERLASTING COVENANT (Gen. 17:19), a covenant that is not subject to change because it is everlasting and which included his SEED (children).

WHY WOULD ALLAH IF IS THE SAME GOD OF ABRAHAM NOW TURN WICKED TO THE CHILDREN OF ISAAC WITH WHOM HE HAD EVERLASTING COVENANT? When God pronounced His covenant 'EVERLASTING' with Isaac and his children, would He have had it in mind to be maltreating them later? THIS IS A VERY STRONG PROOF THAT ALLAH IS NOT JEHOVAL, THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB. Again, who is muslims Allah?

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Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 4:40pm On Sep 05, 2014

bYousouph: Any proof he approve, endorse or stamp the name??

You have once asked the same question and I have given you the answer. How soon you forgot?

In the Book of Revelation (Chapter 2), Jesus sent messages to the churches, telling them what they have done and left undone. At that time Christianity and Churches had existed and he never complained as you are. If the name 'Christian' was wrong, he would have corrected it. That shows he approved of it.

All your complaints have nothing to do with allah hating the people of God.

Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 3:56pm On Sep 05, 2014

bYousouph: Why are you contradicting yourself? You first said Jesus heard that name when he was alive now you are saying he know what is going on in heaven...

Well, a verse from the bible would clarify that...

Acts 11:26
... And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.

According to bible scholars, it was the Pagan of Antioch that named the disciples Christian and not that the disciples originally bear that name.

''I said Jesus heard it'' I never added 'alive' to it. Jesus is both seeing and hearing Christians from heaven.

Christianity Etc › The Root by eyeopener(op): 1:46pm On Sep 05, 2014*

In the beginning Abraham had a wife, her name was Sarah. Sarah had a slave, her name was Hagar. God promised Abraham that he was going to have a son, Isaac but the fulfillment of the promise tarried. Sarah advised Abraham to go into Hagar , her slave for him not to die childless. Abraham met with Hagar and the result was the birth of Ishmael.

The Covenant

Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Genesis 17:21
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year

This covenant is confirmed in the Quran:

Surah 29:27] And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the prophethood and the Scripture among his seed, and We gave him his reward in the world, and lo! in the Hereafter he verily is among the righteous.

True, God blessed Ishmael because he was the seed of Abraham but had no covenant of prophethood with him. His covenant was with Isaac. Both the bible and quran confirm it (Gen. 17:19-21, Quran 29:27). God could not have sent a prophet through Ishmael seed, i.e Muhammad.

The reality is that, true to God’s covenant with Isaac, all of the prophets came through Isaac’s lineage up to Jesus Christ.

Jesus Is The Last Prophet From God the Father

Mark 12:1-7
And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.

And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.

And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.

And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.

Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'

Having yet therefore one son and the last is indicative of the truth that Jesus is the last to be sent by God.

Jesus is He Who sends Prophets After Him

Matthew 23:34
"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

Therefore any prophet not sent by Jesus to preach His Gospel is a false prophet.

Some of the True Prophets Sent by Jesus

Ephesians 4:10-11
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Acts 15:32
And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.

Acts 10:43
To him bear all the prophets witness, that through his name every one that believeth on him shall receive remission of sins.

Muhammad was not a prophet from Jesus and his teachings contradict that of Jesus.

Jesus Gospel is God’s Final Message to the World

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Only the Gospel of Jesus should be preached till the end will come, i.e till Judgment Day. This does not allow for Islam or any other religion to come.

Unfortunately, muslim try to find the source of Islam in the Bible, both in the Old Testament and New Testament. All these are fabrications. Every bible prophecy talks only about Jesus.

Matthew 21:43: 43 Therefore I tell you, "the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a different nation" producing the fruits of it.

Who was Jesus addressing in that verse? The answered is in verse 45: "And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them". Therefore Jesus was addressing the chief priests and Pharisees as a NATION. The kingdom was actually taken away from them and given to the Christian as a NATION.

Referring to the Christians to whom the Kingdom has been given, the bible says: But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an HOLY NATION, a peculiar people......(I Peter 2:9).

A study of the verse reveals: PRIESTHOOD has been transferred from the Priests and Pharisees to the Christians as a HOLY NATION.

MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE:

HOLY SPIRIT

Muhammad’s grandfather’s name was Muttaleb, his father was Abdullai. They were idol worshipers – Satan’s devotees. How could the Holy Spirit of God be born by servants of the Devil. Impossible. Besides, even the Quran does not call Muhammad the Holy Spirit but “messenger.

MUHAMMAD THE PROPHESIED PROPHET

Nowhere did the Bible talk about Muhammad or islam. Muslims fabricated it. Jesus said Moses and other prophets spoke concerning Him, not Muhammad:

And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, he expounded unto them in ALL the Scriptures the things concerning HIMSELF (Luke 24:27).

And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44

Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 7:00am On Sep 05, 2014

bYousouph: Is there any proof to back your claim that Jesus knew about that name and he approved it??

What proof? Jesus knew from heaven everything happening to his people and that was why he could see the weakness of each church and told them to mend it. When he was correcting the churches, if he was not pleased with the name he would have changed it.

Allah maltreated the Jews and Christians because he hates God's people but Jesus loves them.

Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 11:08pm On Sep 04, 2014

bYousouph: That name Jesus never heard, not even once.

Jesus heard about it and approved of it. The name was already on ground before the Book of Revelations was revealed to John where He was sending messages to the Churches.

Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 7:49pm On Sep 04, 2014

bYousouph: You are claiming everything is Christian...
Don't you know that even Jesus never heard the word "Christianity" in his life time?

People named the disciples christian not a divine name or spiritually inspired.

''Christian''... even if given by men is a very beautiful name. They retained the name because it actually reflects who we are, ''People behaving like Christ''. It is good if unbelievers could testify they were behaving like Christ.

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Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 6:14pm On Sep 04, 2014*

bYousouph:

It is said in the Quran that the people of the book are cursed... But why are they cursed?

Quran 2:87 ...Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some you disbelieved and Some you Killed.

Nowhere in the bible did God curse the Jews and Christians? It was allah, according to Quran 2:87 who cursed them and that is because he hates them.

Matthew 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: `The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner; this was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?

How do you interpret this to mean "curse" for goodness sake?
I hope you are not trying to insinuate that it talking about islam. Note the words "has become" and not "will become". Has become means it has been done already and that was years before Muhammad was born. It was referring to the Priests and Pharisees, the officers in Judaism replaced with the Gospel of Jesus.

43 Therefore I tell you, "the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a different nation" producing the fruits of it..

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This bible passage is always being misinterpreted by muslims to mean transfer of God's kingdom from the Jews to the Arabs or muslims. No.

Who was Jesus addressing in that verse? The answered is in verse 45: "And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them". Therefore Jesus was addressing the chief priests and Pharisees as a NATION. The kingdom was actually taken away from them and given to the Christian as a NATION.

Referring to the Christians to whom the Kingdom has been given, the bible says: But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an HOLY NATION, a peculiar people......(I Peter 2:9).

A study of the verse reveals: PRIESTHOOD has been transferred to the Christians as a HOLY NATION.

It is unfortunate that muslims grap almost every verse of the bible as meaning either Muhammad or islam, whereas the God of the bible does not recognize islam.

Again I repeat, Allah hates the Jews and Christians because he is not their God. Then who is he (allah), the Arabian God?

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Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 4:07pm On Sep 04, 2014*

Allah Hates the Jews and Christians

"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews." -- Sahih Muslim 6985

Sahih Bukhari 4.52.177: "Allah's Apostle said, The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him'."

Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 3:48pm On Sep 04, 2014*

bYousouph: According 2 ur claim, d God of the bible is nt d God of d Quran because of its commndment 2 kill d non-believers... Bt if according to dat, wat shd we say abt these verses frm d bible...

Anyone arrogant enough to reject d verdict of d judge or of d priest who represents the Lord ur God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged frm Isreal.
Duet. 17:12

If a man commits adultery wit another man's wife, both d man and the woman must b put to death
Leviticus 20:10

They entered into a convenant to seek d Lord, d God of their father with all d heart and soul and everyone who would not seek to d God of Isreal was to b put to death whether small, big, man or woman
2 Chrn. 15:12-13

Cursed be he who does d Lords work remissly, cursed he who hold back sword frm blood
Jeremiah 48:10

If ur own full brother, or son or ur beloved wife, or intimate frnd entices you secretly to serve other gods,whom u and ur father av nt knwn,do nt yield or listen nor luk with pity upon him, bt kill him
Duet. 13:7-12

You skipped the point of a spirit assuming Allah and pre-empted me about killings.

Even though I was not talking about killings, you can notice that in all of your quotes, there is not a reference to the new testament. Killings are not a continuos thing according to God's dispensations. It had been stopped by Jesus and for about 650 years it remained so before Muhammad resumed killings.

Are you justifying islam with Judaism, which you referred to? If Judaism was right, why the emergence of islam?

The fact still remains that the Jews and Christians are not in the good book of muslims' allah because he is not their God. If you objectively read the quran, you will testify to it that muslims' allah is not a lover of the Jews and Christians. And for that, something is fishy.

Islam › Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 1:47pm On Sep 04, 2014

bYousouph: If truly Allah is not the God of the Jews and the Christian, now tell me what do the Arab christian call God?

Check "THE GIDEONS INTERNATIONAL" BIBLE, Open it to the third page where different language are used to translate a verse. Go to the arabic language and you will see it clearly as Allah. Or get an arabic bible, there are many online search what they call God in Arab, i mean the Arab Christian. So any claim proofing this wrong means the Arab Christian are not Christian.

The issue is not the nomenclature but the spirit assuming the name. God is called Allah in Arabic and it is just normal for Arab Christians to refer to their true God as Allah, because that is their language. But note that the Arab Christians know that their Allah is not the same as that of the muslims. This is so because they recognize their allah as the Father of Jesus Christ and as their own Father too.

If it is this same allah of the Arab Christians that is the God of Muhammad and muslims, how could he be maltreating the Jews and the Christians, his own people? This should tell you that the spirit assuming allah for the muslims is not the same assuming allah for the Christians. Muhammad’s allah’s attitude to the Jews and Christians clearly shows muslisms' allah is not the same as Christians' allah. Their commandments are not even the same.

Some years ago, Sat Guru Maharaj declared himself as the God who created Adam and Eve. I heard him on radio saying the voice we were hearing was the voice that created the Earth. People in his camp see him as their God till today. Does that make him God because some people call him God? Any spirit can assume the name ‘God’ or allah but we shall know them by their fruit.

Islam › Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener(op): 12:23pm On Sep 04, 2014

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger and follow not the religion of truth until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low (Surah 9:29).

Those who have been given the Scripture is referring to the Jews and Christians. Allah is not their God, otherwise he (allah) will not command muslims to fight them.

Narrated by Umar ibn al-Khattab. Umar heard the Messenger of allah (peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims (Sahih Muslim 4366).

Why did Muhammad expel the Jews and Christians and spared the muslims if allah is their God too?

You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land, Arabia (Sahih Muslim 4366).

If the earth belongs to allah and he is the God of the Jews, why should they be expelled? Does it mean they have no right to live on earth?
How is the earth which had been existing before his birth becomes Muhammad’s own?

Since allah is not the God of the Jews and Christians, the God of Israel as could be inferred from the above, who was known to be God before Muhammad (islam), who then is Allah?

Islam › Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 8:50am On Sep 04, 2014

Abdulsalam20: THIS U POSTED HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED U JUST DENY IT.........READ ALL MY POST AND REFERENCES

You have made no point at all. Since allah is not the God of the Jews and Christians, Who we know to be the God of heaven, who is he?

Islam › Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 9:21pm On Sep 03, 2014

For allah commanding muslims to fight the Jews and Christians (Surah 9:29), it means he is not their God. Since I have proven to you that allah is not the God of the Jews and Christians, nothing like Hajj or Muhammad can be in the bible. The Jew and Christian God cannot recognise the operations and prophet of another god, allah.

Therefore all prophesies in the bible is referring to Jesus.

And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, he expounded unto them in ALL the Scriptures the things concerning HIMSELF (Luke 24:27).

And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and in the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44

Therefore Muhammad, Hajj or anything islamic is not and cannot be found in the bible. All of your bible references and the meanings you gave to them are misinterpretations.

Islam › Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 6:56pm On Sep 03, 2014

eyeopener: Says who? What is your source?

[Surah 9:29 - Shakir] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,[/b]nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, [b]out of those who have been given the Book,[/b]until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[Surah 9:29 - Pickthal ] Fight against such of t[b]hose who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

[Surah 9:29 - Yusufali ] Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The common thing in those quranic verses is " those who do not believe in allah" out of those who have been given the Book or Scripture. This means anyone who is not a muslim (Kafri) is being referred to. The Jews and Christians are inclusive and called "disbelievers". In all the translations, you can see "Fight". Why are Jews and Christians to be fought if they are not Kafri? Why would he command muslims to fight them if he is their God?

[Pickthal 109:1] Say: O disbelievers! -(including the Jews and Christians)

[Pickthal 109:2] I worship not that which ye worship;

[Pickthal 109:3] Nor worship ye that which I worship.

[Pickthal 109:4] And I shall not worship that which ye worship.

[Pickthal 109:5] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

[Pickthal 109:6] Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

The question still remains "who is Allah"? who said he is not the God of the Jews and Christians? Were he the God of the Jews and Christians, he would not have commanded muslims to fight them.

You have no hidding place.

Islam › Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 6:43pm On Sep 03, 2014

Abdulsalam20

THIS VERSES WAS REVEALED WHEN THE IDOLATORS OF MEKAH CAME TO MUHAMMAD THAT HE SHOULD JOIN THEM SO THAT THEY WILL JOIN HIM ALSO IN ISLAM......

Says who? What is your source?

[Surah 9:29 - Shakir] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,[/b]nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, [b]out of those who have been given the Book,[/b]until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[Surah 9:29 - Pickthal ] Fight against such of t[b]hose who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

[Surah 9:29 - Yusufali ] Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The common thing in those quranic verses is " those who do not believe in allah" out of those who have been given the Book or Scripture. This means anyone who is not a muslim (Kafri) is being referred to. The Jews and Christians are inclusive and called "disbelievers". In all the translations, you can see "Fight". Why are Jews and Christians to be fought if they are not Kafri? Why would he command muslims to fight them if he is their God?

[Pickthal 109:1] Say: O disbelievers! -(including the Jews and Christians)

[Pickthal 109:2] I worship not that which ye worship;

[Pickthal 109:3] Nor worship ye that which I worship.

[Pickthal 109:4] And I shall not worship that which ye worship.

[Pickthal 109:5] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

[Pickthal 109:6] Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

The question still remains "who is Allah"? who said he is not the God of the Jews and Christians? Were he the God of the Jews and Christians, he would not have commanded muslims to fight them.

You have no hidding place.

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Islam › Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 5:06pm On Sep 03, 2014

Abdulsalam20: THIS IS AN EVIDENCE FROM AN ENCYCLOPEDIA WEBSITE THAT ARABIANS ARE DESCENDANT OF ISMAHEEL FIRST SON OF ABRAHAM(HAZRAT IBRAHIM www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael

Do you believe 'wikipedia' more than quran that says what muslims worship (allah) is not the God of the Jews and Christians, which is the true God? See surah 9:29 that says Christians are disbelievers in Allah. Then allah said what the disbelievers (Jews and Christians) worship is not what muslims worship (surah 109-1-6).

Then who is this allah?

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Islam › Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 4:25pm On Sep 03, 2014

Muhammad is not and cannot be in the bible. The God of the bible is not muslims Allah. Therefore allah can not have his own prophet in the bible.

Jesus said he was the One spoken of by all the prophets in the Bible (Luke 24:27).

All the bible references you posted are talking about Jesus,not Muhammad. Stop trying to deceive.

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