Sermwell:
The concept of religion doesn't make sense to me at all. I have a lot of questions I want to ask but we seem not to be ready for this conversation. One of the questions is the picture attached below.
Does anybody feel same or I'm the only one??

cc: lalasticlala
cc: Seun

Sermwell you asked the right question any sane person should ask. I myself have asked similar question years ago. This is the website that offered me satisfactory explanation regarding Christianity and Christ's sacrificial death:

https://chijiokealokalam..com/2020/09/the-sacrificial-death.html?m=1

It is not a legitimacy of a person that will take him to Paradise when he will depart this earth. It is the type of life he led while on earth; the good service he renders to others, the nature of his thought, words and deeds, that is what counts.

That is why Christ came on earth to teach us how to live good life so that when we die, we will not find ourselves in the bad region.

Feranmicharles:
Just wondering if God will also judge us by what we do post online or upload,cos there are some sinful acts online. So my dear brothers/sisters,kindly air your view pls. Is He going to judge us based on the things we do on the internet too on judgment day?

cc lalasticlala

Yes. Man is not only judged by what he writes, but he goes further in bearing the responsibility for those who went astray through reading his posts as long as his writings go on in it's influence on people.

He is not free until the last of them is saved. Even if it takes centuries. Even if he has departed this earth and enters in the beyond, they are tied to him strongly. His soul will not have peace until he help in freeing the last of those he led astray.

That is why Christ had to say; "But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone hung around your neck".

By "little ones" he did not mean only "kids",grown ups are also included, as we are all children before God.

kadas01:
I pity you! Honestly, I do!

Please, do not quote my mention again!

Thank you!

I wander what could attract ignorant hooligans to this peaceful thread.

When an idler steals a phone and have access to the internet, he thinks he can thrust himself in any thread and start writing rubbish!

My friend, don't you see the threads for weed smokers and join them, instead of coming here to distract serious seekers

If jealousy must arise in you, why would you not direct it towards those who are homogeneous with you instead of to justcool.

Hundreds of people have been silently following this thread and gaining insights which help them in this walk of life and in their spiritual maturing. And you now allowed the darkness to lash you into this thread to vomit your venom here so as to derail this peaceful and enlightening thread. you CANNOT succeed!

LoJ:

Deep. Good job brother Ezebrain.

Tell me, was the family issue you once spoke of solved?

Oh! that is what happened long time ago. Solved and forgotten.

Of cause you know that VICTORY IS ALWAYS FOR THE LIGHT!!!

Thanks for your concern.

FOR1234:
I had a dream last night, in one, I was told someone died, I cried so much that when I woke up I saw tears in my eyes,.... Serious red eye when I woke up

I had one too that I was choked by stove smoke while cooking, I started coughing from sleep and I woke up seriously coughing as well

Does anyone have any correlation (explanation) to the two different state?

Is anyone blessed with dream explanation,... Before now, I don't usually give meanings to my dreams but the strange life experience baffles me

I will like meaningful contributions

Thanks people

I am open to questions... Thank God nairaland is faceless... Noting to hide besides, I need solution

I'm sorry for your dream experiences, but the sad truth is; no one can give you the real interpretation of your dream than you yourself can do, as long as you know the laws that govern this Creation.

Your dreams are the reflections of your present inner state. The dreams you had are in reality not attacks from your enemies, as you may assume, or as others will want to tell you in order to flatter you. But they are signs that the reciprocal effect of your formal deeds are now pressing forward to manifest in your life as JESUS said, "what a man soweth, that shall he reapeth". Of cause you know that the word of JESUS are LIFE itself.

Now, this is not intended to create panic in you, but to help you onwards. To warn you so that you may rethink and change your present direction. Indeed, it expresses the endless mercies of GOD if HE allows you to see in your dreams what is in stock for you; what may later manifest in your earthly lifes.

In order to convey to you this truth, i wil give you an explanation of the process, if at all you will be able to grasp it.

Every thought you think, every word you utterd, every action you take immediately takes on form in the "unseen world" aroud you, ready to manifest in the physical world. During sleep, your soul is equivalent with that world where the forms you created exist. hence you experience the forms you created as dreams. Do you see why JESUS said that "when you think to lust with a woman in your heart, you have already committed lust in the spirit".

I did not open this "secret" of life to you so as to fill your brain with the knowledge you cannot make use of. But i'm doing this for you to know the value of thinking good thought, uttering good words and doing good deed.

Of cause you know that no amount of prayer can make rice to grow where corn is planted. Therefore do not think that any amount of prayer can change the situation. The force in control of plantation is the same force that controls our fate, our prayers.

I give you the assurance that IF YOU CONCENTRATE YOUR VOLITION ON DOING ONLY WHAT IS GOOD, NOTHING BAD WILL EVER HAPPEN TO YOU.

You should not say that it is not easy to do what is good. With the tip of your finger you can feel what is good and what is bad. The simple rule is: "that which you know you will not want others to do to you, do it not to others. That which you know you will want others to do to you, do it also to others.

enitan2002:


Each every one of us has different paths to tread, hope you will find yours. The Grail Message led me to the path of atheism, if you keep asking questions just like the message advised, you will soon find your way out of any spiritual/religious fold.

I hardly believe that a person who has read the Grail Message will assert that It led him to atheism.

@enitan, which portion of the Grail message encourages atheism

LoJ:

my Brother Ezebrain . How are you? I thought you left the forum. I used to read some of your posts in the thread on the Grail message. I trust all is well.

I wish that all that is purest and noblest meet your way.

All is well my bros, sometimes one needs to face the battle of life while keeping other things aside.

I wish you strength too.

bigfrancis21:
I am not a Christian. I consider myself a spiritual person.

You have spoken well and most of your words worth emulating. However, in view of your spiritual understanding any deep thinker will shrink back considering the irony in your assertion that you "are not a christian".

A "christian" in the truest sense is a person who possesses the real knowledge of CHRIST'S teaching; a person who lives according to the true teaching of CHRIST, not merely a church goer, for JESUS CHRIST himself did not intend to bring any religion on earth.
And i see that you are on the right line base on your write up.

A muslim, pagan etc can be a christian as long as he lives according to the teaching of CHRIST (love your neighbor as yourself) even if he had not known that the bible exist.

Therefore, don't shy away from calling yourself a christian.

bynah:
Dear all, especially adherents of the grail mesage.
My question bothers on the affirmation that the grail message draws directly from the truth, since this is so why does it still get handicapped by transmission errors, for example from the lecture "The Lord's Prayer" In Vol. 2 of The
Grail Message
“And lead us not into temptation!”
Man has a wrong conception when he tries to interpret these words as if God would tempt him. God tempts no one! In this case, owing to a doubtful transmission, the unfortunate choice of the word “temptation” was made. The right meaning would include such concepts as erring, going astray and thus going wrong, and seeking the Light on the wrong path.
It means: “Let us not take the wrong road, nor seek in the wrong direction! Let us not lose, waste nor fritter away time in such seeking! But if necessary restrain us forcibly from doing so, even if we need to be stricken with sorrow and pain!”
My understanding originally was that there was a Truthful source where everything was correctly recorded, this excerpt only shows that the writer is taking from bible transmission in this case.
Thanks and stay blessed.

@bynah an inquirer had put a similar question to justcool many years ago. The following is his reply. I hope it will answer your question.

@justcool, I apologize for pesting your previous post here. I only wish to help bynah in his inquiry.

By justcool:
I found it strange that you (strong believer of the authenticity of Bible) can pursue that line of argument. The implication of your argument is that all the stories in the Bible is fallacy. Let me explain what I mean:
If I write a fiction, lets say I invent a fictitious character called "Monga," and I claim that Monga lives in the moon. Then if another author tells a story about a Monga who live in the moon; I can argue with certainty that he(the author) stole the idea from me. Because "Monga" is my invention.
But If there is actually a Monga that live in the moon. My accusation of the author stealing the idea from may not be true. The author could have gone to the moon and seen "Monga," or the author could have been vissited by Monga, or the author could have gained the knowledge of the existence of Monga by viewing the moon through telescope or by communicating with Monga electronically.
Lets lets apply this analogy to the Grail Message and the Bible.
If the things written in the Bible were true and actually exist, then it is possible that another person could see them too. I. e. if God actually exist and He gave Moses the ten commandments, this opens up a possibility that God can reveal the same ten commandment that He gave to Moses to another person. If you truly believe that every allusion to the ten commandment could have not come from any where else except the Bible. Then by implication, you are saying that God and the ten commandments are fictitious inventions made by Moses and other Bible writers.
When Jesus talked about the son of man, He(Jesus) did not draw His knowledge from the ancient scriptures; eventhough some of the ancient scripture before Jesus contained information about the son of man. When Jesus' utterances agree with a particular scripture, this goes to show the correctness of that particular scripture. It also shows that Jesus draw His knowledge from the same source as the writer of the scripture. To assert that Jesus draw His knowledge from that scripture is very wrong. If the source of the knowledge actually exists, then another can draw the same knowledge from HIM(the source), and not necessarily from any scripture.
Also, everything that has ever happened has been recorded by time. God can permit a person to access the archives of time, i.e. witness an event that happened thousands of years ago. This can be shown to that person in a dream. I do not want to boost of my experiences, but it might help if I tell you that I personally have once been allowed to see an event that happened thousands of years ago. This not just me, most people experience this at least once in there life times. Perharps you might have had such an experience too. You might write a book on what you were allowed to see, perhaps it is an event that was already recorded in history books. It will be very wrong for one to accuse you of plagiarising the history books which you might not have read. It will be wrong for one to accuse of drawing from the history books, just because your book mentioned the same events that is mentioned in the History books.

Horlufemi:

God hates religion

You have spoken well, but the structure of the headline is uncomfortable to any person who really knows the greatness of "GOD".

The word "hate" is a negative attribute and should not be ascribed to GOD when describing the gulf between HIM and fallen mankind.

The right expression would be, "DIVINITY KNOWS NO RELIGION, BUT MAN DOES".

I'm not saying you're wrong in your assertions. I could even say that your write up testifies your higher inner maturity. But I advice that you heed the "title" and decide if you will make an amendment or not.

LoJ:
Where is the post of Justcool? It just disappeared?

Let me know if the post has not yet appeared on your screen, so that i may copy an paste it in your mail box.

Marverick09:
I would be glad if Crossbears, adherents and seekers on this forum as well as in other places strive to refrain from using such statements like wanting to know more or it's the work of the darkness

The above statement sounds like one wanting to shy away or indirectly dodging from the dazzling light emanating from Truth. The writer of the message did not shy away from exposing the cunning ways of the darkness, and He later advised crossbearers to follow His examples. Why then should crossbearers, adherents, and seekers refrain from using such words that exposes the cunning ways of darkness?

M_nwankwo has rightly said that "FEAR and threat of FEAR come from the darkness", he is also right when he said that "wanting to know more is knowing nothing". Wanting to know between Abd-ru-shin and Cassandra who first incarnated on earth is the same as wanting to know between a fly and a hourse which first appeared on earth. How can such knowledge contribute to the ascent of a human spirit? Any true Crossbearer should embrace, not warn against the above advice of m_nwankwo. Think yourself deep into the meaning of the following word of Abd-ru-shin; "a man begins to become wise when he knows that he knows nothing".

Great number of people have been following this thread because of the enlightenment that comes from It through m_nwankwo, justcool and others. Let us not turn It into a place of expressing our intellectual sagacity.

ahamonyeka:
I want to know if grail message is cult religion?

If i wish to know the nature or the type of properties in your room, would it not be reasonable for me to seek how to gain entrance to your room, or i seek to get in touch with you for direct enquiry instead of childishly seeking information from people who have not even seen or entered your room. You will not tell me you are not aware of this nairaland thread actively discussing issues about the Grail message: "Inquiry for justcool and M_nwankwo and other adherents of the Grail Message."
Dude, this your question seems foolish, but i will still give you the infos i know.

The Grail Message is a book written by a German author.
The Grail movement is an organisation established for spreading of the book.
The Crossbearers are those who have read the book and wish to live according to the sense of the message.
I have read the book, i have attended their public lectures, there is nothing occultic in the Grail Message.

JonesK:
I know this is a sensitive question but I'm going to ask it for the sake of those of us out here who need understanding in these matters so as to enable us make judgements and decisions that we won't regret.
Which of the versions of the Message is the accurate one? Or if I can put it another way, which is the more authentic one among them...

This question has been adressed and the answers clearly given in a discussion between justcool and ephisi, at the 4th page of the thread entitled "The Grail Message" by stag.

Fellow nairalanders, i am greatful for your contributions especially Durinsday and 001ng who have given it in full details. The informations i got here together with the ones i got from my closer associates confirms that i have a traditional and judicial right over my mum's shop.

But, one funny thing here is that my elder brother, the first son, seems to be desiring to own the shop because he deemed me too weak to stand for my right. He even said he will forcefuly obtain the documents of the shop from my sister and keep it for himself.

Now, i have decided to go to this my elder brother and boldly ask him to accompany me to my sister's house, for her to offer me the shop's document. If any of them fail me in this, i will immedietly prepare a law-suit. Perhaps that will be the best way to solve it amicably. I do not want to go to those dubious easily corrupted villagers who called themselves umunna!

001ng:

My own mother is still alive but she has transferred all her property to my name and even the ones dad gave her too is my name now.

Are you the youngest son?

Please, does anyone have true knowlegde of the igbo customary law regarding inheritance, especially on the side of the youngest son?

I heard that the youngest son in the igbo family is the one to inherit all the deceased mother's property.

Let me be clear, i am from Imo state, i am the youngest son in my family; a family of three males and five females. My parents are late and my mother owned a big shop at the market which my sister gained access to because she was the only one closest to my mother. She is currently collecting the rent bill, though she does not depend on the shop, for she has her own well ballanced source of income.

Despite my financial problems, this my wicked sister does not want her kobo to fall on my lap, she decides to play favour only on the side of her husband. However, i do not care for her money. I only care for my inheritance.

Now, i'm being urged by people around me to go for the shop.

Should i sue her? Am i to go to her with my family elders?
I need your advise please!

Please, does anyone have true knowlegde of the igbo customary law regarding inheritance, especially on the side of the youngest son?

I heard that the youngest son in the igbo family is the one to inherit all the deceased mother's property.

Let me be clear, i am from Imo state, i am the youngest son in my family; a family of three males and five females. My parents are late and my mother owned a big shop at the market which my sister gained access to because she was the only one closest to my mother. She is currently collecting the rent bill, though she does not depend on the shop, for she has her own well ballanced source of income.

Despite my financial problems, this my wicked sister does not want her kobo to fall on my lap, she decides to play favour only on the side of her husband. However, i do not care for her money. I only care for my inheritance.

Now, i'm being urged by people around me to go for the shop.

Should i sue her? Am i to go to her with my family elders?
I need your advise please!

Please, does anyone have true knowlegde of the igbo customary law regarding inheritance, especially on the side of the youngest son?

I heard that the youngest son in the igbo family is the one to inherit all the deceased mother's property.

Let me be clear, i am from Imo state, i am the youngest son in my family; a family of three males and five females. My parents are late and my mother owned a big shop at the market which my sister gained access to because she was the only one closest to my mother. She is currently collecting the rent bill, though she does not depend on the shop, for she has her own well ballanced source of income.

Despite my financial problems, this my wicked sister does not want her kobo to fall on my lap, she decides to play favour only on the side of her husband. However, i do not care for her money. I only care for my inheritance.

Now, i'm being urged by people around me to go for the shop.

Should i sue her? Am i to go to her with my family elders?
I need your advise please!

Day by day, hour by hour, the time for your death approaches! And then, in your pain in the land of the living dead, you will stretch your blood stained hand; the hand with wich you once thrust nails on the Son of GOD, and expect Him whom you treated with scorn to carry you along with that same hand. But you will be pushed away!

There in the afterlife, you will never see your parents nor your pastor to help you in your well deserved punishment.
Adamant stands the Holy Justice of GOD!!!

This warnning is for those wicked church goers who will call themselves christains after Him.Those who regard a book written by human hand as their god. Those who hide their sins under the cloack of church. He who has ear let him hear!!!

Unlike those poor wretched ignorant church slaves who called themselves pastors and so on, he, the op is honest in this article.

You will soon see how these stubborn church enthuciasts will thrust themselves into this honest thread and want to correct the op with their indoctrinated narrow minded idea.

Even the word of Christ that "not just those who call Him lord lord will enter into paradise, but only those who do the will of His father," will not make sence to them.

They regard Christ and Christianity as their parental inheritage. No doubt, if these religious slaves were born into muslim community by muslim parents, they will still cling tenaciously to the islamic doctrin, and will not shrink from eliminating any person who dares to oppose their idea, or even speak against muhammed.

These facts alone will show any serious observer that these church slaves are not true Christains, are not really serving GOD; but they are only serving their parents, their priests and their vanity!

Those dogmatized church slaves should be pitied for clinging blindly on illogical belief, simply in other to satisfy their parents and tutors.

I could often wonder how can even those learned ones who should be regarded as "properly trained to use their intellect"; lawyers, doctors, profesors etc, allow themselves to be dupped by those illiterate church priests just because they teach leniently. And, they will still boast of being civilized and educated.

AfricanApple:
And with such delusion they still fear hell

In their endeavour to ward off the fear of hell they created for themselves, they stubbornly cling to the word "not my portion", especially when confronted by the fear of unknown.
But, burying their head in the ground like an ostrich cannot help them from their well deserved fate!

Maamin:

Awww..! Did those verses sting you?

No! But they show your inability to think clearly. Branded you a typical uncivilized African; one of those zombies to be found in greater numbers in Nigeria.

Maamin:
Remember if it were supposed to be LOGIC I wont bother quoting the bible in the first place.

I dare say that you will not budge an inch to provide a counter logic on this subject. Try it, and you will acheive nothing more than having to cluth your whirling head.

maamin
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Chew on these again till you become smartbrain.

There you go again, i know you will not be so daring to step forward and tell me you know the difference between brain activity and intuitive perciving.

I opened this thread for clear thinkers and not for bird brains. For the fact that you are not capable, i will no longer answer your post again!

kadas01:
Thank you for sharing!
I do not know which knowledge you hold unto, but you have spoken well!

Thank you for the commendation.
I hold onto the knowledge that contrary to the hitherto held view, it was not Christ's death on the cross that could and should bring redemption, but the truth he gave to mankind in his word.
I hold onto the knowledge that Christ's death was not a sacrifice, but a murder.
I hold onto the knowledge that Christ did not die for mankind, but through mankind.

Consider, "at his death the veil was rent in twain", does that look like a sign of reconciliation?
If his crucifixion is much important for mankind to be saved, god would not have alowed him to spend whole stressful three years on this gloomy earth in spreading the message. What is the need of all the parables he gave to men?
Today, no pastor on earth will dare to touch upon these parables, nor worry to grasp them. They only bent on laying stress on the importance of his crucifixion.

Maamin:
1 Cor. 1:18-19. The Bible coming true everyday right?

Another problem with these childish belivers is that they like to lace their senses with the biblical quotations they do not even understand.

If you are debating a subject with a person of another religion in order to arrive at a logical conclusion, lets say, a muslim, and he takes comfort in offering you quotations from the quoran so as to convince you. Would you not see him as a poor fool? And you are here doing the same thing. Thus can you visualise how you now appear before the eyes of any logical thinker?

What will happen if you back your agument with clear logic instead of basking in the ancient jewish manuscript? Is it fear of being obliged to penatrate deeper? Or due to lack of knowledge of this Creation?

Observe how i use the term "church goers" to qualify those childish belivers, for they are not christains in the truest sense. Him to be called a Christian is one who live the true teaching of Christ!

kay1one2:

Do you know how many pharasees did the same thing you did?

That is one problem with humans, they always refer to the old, imagining that after all, things are different in their own time.

Who do we regard as the representation of the pharisees today? Those who are so quick to reject new idea no matter how logical it appears as long as it does not correnspond with their hitherto religious dogma. Those who always base their thinking on a written book and blindly cling tenaciouly to the religion of their parents, "...and the pharisees said to Christ, we have our Moses, we do not need you".
Thus, if you are honest with yourself you will know who behaves like a pharisee between me and you.

Tell me, throughout the history of mankind, if any messanger of God has ever been acceped and haboured by the existing religious leaders at his time? not at all! If Christ were to come again on earth, you church goers will not shrink from seeking to murder him again!

angelsinmyhair:
I am 50 I get sealed in 2016
I want to bear my testimony to you all that with fervant prayer, God hears your cry and answers thee. Good volition and conviction sets you free and with works and deeds i am on the right path to paradise.
God bless you all

First of all, that sounds like advertising the Grail message. Secondly, your behaviour branded you a would-be crossbearer, without real convinction.

And, let me ask, did Abdrushin told you He wants those who accepted the Grail message to make noices about it? Go back and read the volumes carefully and you will see the reason why you should kindly close this thread, to avoid debasing the value of the work, and leave the discurssion concerning the Grail message on nairaland to the knowing ones, namely; m_nwankwo and justcool.

kay1one2:
Lets see how well your "good works" wash yours away!

Indeed, i am presently enjoying the positive effect of the word of Christ! I am blessed with good health because i sow cleanliness, hygein and help the sick. Blessed with wealth because i do charity in its pure form. Blessed with miraculous protection because i always endevour to help others in danger.

On the order side stands a church goer, who never shrinks from indulging in atrocious act without flinching, because he beleives that, after all, he will beg for forgiveness and his sins will be remitted, because Christ died for him.

When the reciprocal effect of his sins come back to him in the form of misfortune or injurious accident, he will beging to accuse God, "God, why me". And, with the help of those ignorant pastors, he begins to suspect of being bewitched by that poor old man at the village.

An2elect2:

If by 'sowing and reaping', you mean working for your salvation then you are so wrong because that is not what the bible means!

It does not matter what i mean or how i interpreted the word, what matters is what Christ meant when he made the utterance. It is not difficult to understand that by "what a man soweth" he meant, the thought he think, the words he uttered and the actions he take.
And, "that shall he reapeth" is the return of the reciprocal effect. In order word, if you do good you get good return, you do bad you get bad return.

Are you not seeing all these in the work of God around you in everyday happening? Go and sow a corn, no matter how strong is your believe that Christ's death will change the law of nature and make you to reap rice, it will never happen, you must eventually reap corn. You people are simply ignorant of the fact that the force in control of nature, is the same force that controls our fate, Which Christ himself observed.

It is so disgusting to watch how these church goers wallow in the belief that Christ's death on the cross automatically washes away their sins as soon as they acknowledge him to be the son of God.
The word of Christ himself opposes this belief when he said that, "what a man soweth that shall he reapeth". Even some of his parables directly kick against this delusion.

Non of these church goers will expect a ruler of a nation to send his deligate to a sturbon town in order to be tortured and killed, so that whoever among these sturbon murderers that believe him to be the ruler's deligate will be rewarded.

And yet they expect such a misrable piecework from God.

If that is true, then, Judas who paved the way to christ's death should be greatly rewarded with eternal life, but the bible called him a sinner.

Again, if that is true, then, God should be responsible in propagating evil in church goers (so called christains) comunitues. As any logical thinker knows that such idea alone futhers evil.