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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 6:51pm On Sep 13
Sermwell:
The concept of religion doesn't make sense to me at all. I have a lot of questions I want to ask but we seem not to be ready for this conversation. One of the questions is the picture attached below.
Does anybody feel same or I'm the only one??

cc: lalasticlala
cc: Seun
Disposing Satan, just like that, isn't solving any original situational problem and so wouldn't be pseudo-saving anybody/anyone any stress.

About why will God sacrifice His only Son when He can simply do this? If A&E, or particularly Adam, have seen through the last hour and passed the test in flying colors, then the need of God having to offer a sacrifice, that will cost Him Himself, wouldn't have in the first place arise, but as it happened that A&E fell from grace to grass, then the needful, a huge and costly prize, for their transgression of God's explicitly stated law, had to be paid for.

PS: Wow, I am impressed by all those Dtruthspeaker replies/responses up to there to Sermwell's. I am taken aback by this level of understanding coming from Dtruthspeaker

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 8:25pm On Sep 13
Sermwell:


Fair trial means to hear your own side of the story or wait for sufficient evidence to establish your guilt! You mean there are no sufficient evidence to establish the devil's guilt? Which other evidence do you need to establish that the devil is who he is??

You are thinking from the perspective of visible creatures! Try to meditate on this issue from the ideas of invisible creatures!

Note that Satan is only visible to God and other heavenly beings, as for humans who connived with Satan to rebel against God (Adam and Eve) they're not even aware of the personality that spoke with Eve, all what the couple could grasp is an animal that suddenly become intelligent with the ability to speak and reason!

Secondly Adam's descendants can't understand what really happened, for instance

©What made serpent intelligent all of a sudden?
©Are they going to return to the garden again?
©What about the right to rule?
©Can humans succeed without God in ruling themselves?

If Satan was destroyed immediately, none of this questions could be resolved. So time is required to know who is the real liar between

GOD (the Creator) who insisted that only him can decide what is right and wrong for intelligent creatures {Genesis 2:7}

Or

Satan (an intelligent spirit son of God) who insinuated that man is intelligent enough to decipher right and wrong on their own. Genesis 3:4-5

So it's not that Satan needed to stand before a law court where a judge will sit and a lawyer will stand as devil's advocate, naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

If human government could bring about lasting happiness amongst humans, then Satan wins the case but if not then he is a LIAR!

That's why Satan underG has been manipulating things but since he's an invisible creature humans keep thinking they're the ones in control of the earth's rulership. Think of the different system of government ever introduced by man! undecided

Well we are at the climax of all human opportunity to prove themselves, from inception till now man has continued to dominate his fellowman to injury! Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9

Today DEMOCRACY is the last system of government that God foretold that Satan will introduce but it will also failed woefully!

Please see how God predicted DEMOCRACY in the Bible book of Daniel 2:36-44 :-

A time will come when kings will no more emerge from the same lineage, they will be changing the government from one man to another, they will try different tribes perhaps to see if this last system of government will work, but it will also fail throughout the earth, then i (GOD) will established my own government, i will kill all of them and my own rule will stand forever!


Please carefully meditate on verse 44 and think of the type of government Satan will be trying when God will say "it's enough, you've made my faithful and loyal worshipers suffer for too long"

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 8:30pm On Sep 13
Sermwell:

Redemption from what if I may ask?? from sin I suppose? who's the author of sin??
sin came in as a result of Adam disobedience and humans continue in this sin all the same.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 10:50pm On Sep 13
@Sermwell

I believe you can now see that there is a logical reason why the Almighty never chose to be a bully but wisely decided to allow time tell whether the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a nourishment or a poison for the human race!
You're free to approach any JW in your neighbourhood if you still have further questions as to the soundness of Bible teachings.

Thanks for sharing your time Sir! smiley
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 7:26am On Sep 14
MuttleyLaff:


To mention/list just three out of others, then albeit not in any particular order:
1/ Treachery
2/ Pride
3/ Covetousness
You are breaking one into three... No problem.
You should accompany each points with a Bible verse.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 7:34am On Sep 14
MuttleyLaff:

About why will God sacrifice His only Son when He can simply do this? If A&E, or particularly Adam, have seen through the last hour and passed the test in flying colors, then the need of God having to offer a sacrifice, that will cost Him Himself, wouldn't have in the first place arise, but as it happened that A&E fell from grace to grass, then the needful, a huge and costly prize, for their transgression of God's explicitly stated law, had to be paid for.
Go and sit down joor... According to you God knew they will fail the test in sinking colors before he even created them. Why are you now talking as if A&E could have changed anything?
Till today you nd your future believing guys are yet to xplain how A&E chose failure before they were born. In your mind now, God pressed forward and saw everything that no one actually plotted .
LMAO... This future nonsense has confused most Christians.

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 7:49am On Sep 14
MuttleyLaff:

Why are you mentioning me, but then you go back to editing your post and also removing the mention and comment you made relating to it, hmm?
I realized that if we pitch our tents here, the thread will be stirred and steered.

Fyi, if you had during our chatroom interaction session, given me a detailed explanation how God Harden Pharaoh's heart, you wouldn't be contesting with ggirl4real, that God never knew that the devil will betray Him, yet He created the devil and included him In His cabinet. You see your life now, hmm?
All I'm seeing is your life. God said "He hardened" ... You are here forcing your false beliefs on a plain scripture. If you had given numerous ways by which one's heart can be hardened, you won't be holding on to your fantasies till now.

I have never stopped, saying that, every creativity/creation, has a fundamental right to come into existence, and not just that, but exist to freely express itself/himself/herself. The devil, Pharaoh, Hitler, Genghis Khan, Constantine, Abacha, IBB et cetera each and all have the right to exist and express themselves according to how their nature dictates or allows them

God, the Omni-Know-Everything, Omni-Know-All, Omni-Know-What's-In-Your-Heart, Omni-Know-All-Moves, was aware, knew before the day it will happen that the devil will misbehave, just the same way, He knew Pharaoh would go bad, even arrogate himself to be god, a deity.
Na so. In the other thread, your brother is now saying the future is always changing. � hahahaa... He's about to know that difference between "what WIll happen " and "What MAY happen ".
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by uvmoses(m): 7:52am On Sep 14
Recently, men have painted God differently due to lack of accurate Bible interpretation.

Indirectly we read meaning into Scriptures because of the hardness of hearts, expecting from God what only satan does.


In the video below we will actually find out if Jesus who is God actually called anyone a fox.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4966159206743434&id=100000482126138
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by mmsen: 8:12am On Sep 14
soulpeppersoup:


God is just. Have you heard that before?

If he exhibits any form of injustice, he will lose his position and authority thereby creating anarchy in the entire universe
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The universe operate on rules. Access to those rules gives you power if you comply to them and diminishes you if you break them no matter who you are.

Xtians also claim that their god is 'all powerful' and 'all knowing'. If those statements are true then he should not concern himself with losing his position to lesser beings that he presumably has control over.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 8:31am On Sep 14
mmsen:


Xtians also claim that their god is 'all powerful' and 'all knowing'. If those statements are true then he should no concern himself with losing his position to lesser beings that he presumably has control over.

There are lots of misconceptions regarding the underlined!

That's part of the reason why Jesus sent his TRUE followers to go and speak with people in their homes {Matthew 10:11-13} in order to sort out the misconceptions regarding Who is God? What God can and cannot do? John 8:32
So that people like you will not just sit down and start speculating based on what God's enemies who are disguising as his friend says about HIM! 2Corinthians 11:12-15 undecided
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 8:37am On Sep 14
UNLearn and RELearn puh-leeaaaze... All those omni- bla bla bla should be rechecked and put aright before you end up delving towards agnosticism.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 8:41am On Sep 14
Maximus69:

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Maximus, with respect to Romans 9:11-23, can you expound what apostle Paul was all about concerning Pharaoh and God?
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 10:24am On Sep 14
Blabbermouth:

Maximus, with respect to Romans 9:11-23, can you expound what apostle Paul was all about concerning Pharaoh and God?

Good morning Sir!

Interpretation of the sacred secrets belongs to God not man!
Whenever you read any part of scriptures that's difficult to comprehend, endeavour to read it oftentimes as you could, meditate thoroughly on what you read, pray to God for divine wisdom, ask those you know are reputable with good fruit (positive results with their teachings) certainly God will help you to discern secrets that's beyond the intellect of those claiming they're wise in the world! Proverbs 2:1-5 compare to Job 5:13

So let's do this together like real Bible students!

©God has his own master plan, so nothing can stop his plans from becoming reality. Romans 9:11

©We are all creatures of his hands, so he can choose anyone as a tool to glorify his name. Romans 9:15-16

©No one can ask him "why didn't you use me for this or that?" Romans 9:19-21

©He selects the person he wants to use as scapegoat amongst those opposing his plans (depending on the attitude of such a person) Romans 9:17-18

©He tame others who may be stubborn but love to work with him in the actualization of his plans. {Numbers 12:3} remember this was the thug who single-handedly kill and buried a man! {Exodus 2:12} So God often remolds some people since they want to do something in line with his plans, Moses had the intention of freeing his people from slavery but JEHOVAH knew that Moses is not tamed enough to lead a stubborn nation like the Israelites, otherwise he (Moses) himself will kill half of them during those times they were kicking against him along the way to the promised land {Numbers 12:2} Well the old man Moses may look feeble in strength but before JEHOVAH that's the kind of person who can lead his people after God has remolded him by making him a shepherd for over 40 solid years!

©Those who don't care about his plans won't be given the honour to participate in his works. {Romans 9:12-13 compare to Genesis 25:32}

Did you notice how Esau despised his birthright? Genesis 25:34
Well because this two came along as descendants of Abraham through whom God's plans will be fulfilled, God keeps focusing on that lineage even when any child is conceived as a fetus, he concentrates his powers on the attitude of such a fetus to declare what such a child will turn out to become! Genesis 16:11-12

God bless you! smiley
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by BlueAngel444: 11:01am On Sep 14
Sermwell:
The concept of religion doesn't make sense to me at all. I have a lot of questions I want to ask but we seem not to be ready for this conversation. One of the questions is the picture attached below.
Does anybody feel same or I'm the only one??

cc: lalasticlala
cc: Seun
the reason is, if you knew who satan really is. You will be glad he didn't. And besides God already shed the blood at the foundation of the world.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by ezebrain: 4:07pm On Sep 14
Sermwell:
The concept of religion doesn't make sense to me at all. I have a lot of questions I want to ask but we seem not to be ready for this conversation. One of the questions is the picture attached below.
Does anybody feel same or I'm the only one??

cc: lalasticlala
cc: Seun
Sermwell you asked the right question any sane person should ask. I myself have asked similar question years ago. This is the website that offered me satisfactory explanation regarding Christianity and Christ's sacrificial death:

https://chijiokealokalam.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-sacrificial-death.html?m=1
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 9:39pm On Sep 14
Sermwell, you are yet to tell me the 3 things the Devil is guilty of, with bible verses for each guilt.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 6:33am On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:
Sermwell, you are yet to tell me the 3 things the Devil is guilty of, with bible verses for each guilt.

What of your quest regarding Pharaoh and God?
Are you satisfied with our findings?
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 6:50am On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:
Sermwell, you are yet to tell me the 3 things the Devil is guilty of, with bible verses for each guilt.

Well Jesus confirmed that Satan is guilty of all the atrocities ever committed on this planet!

At John 8:44 there Jesus called Satan a LIAR, the father of lie (meaning whatever makes humans to tell lies resulted from the first lie Satan initiated) and MURDERER.
Well all the wickedness in this world comes from those two evil traits! Galatians 5:19-21
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 6:53am On Sep 15
Sermwell:
So you mean up till now the devil is not yet guilty of any wrong doing?? haba!! This your comment is not satisfactory at all.

Blabbermouth:
Mention 3 things he is guilty of.

MuttleyLaff:
To mention/list just three out of others, then albeit not in any particular order:
1/ Treachery
2/ Pride
3/ Covetousness

Blabbermouth:
You are breaking one into three... No problem.
What is the one that I have broken into three, then?

I have merely given you three out of the many sins of Satan. I am sure you know the meanings of: Treachery, Pride and Covetousness and of course, know how distinct from each other they are.

Blabbermouth:
You should accompany each points with a Bible verse.
1/ Treachery - has one out of the possible accompanying verses as Ezekiel 28:14 (i.e. betrayal)
2/ Pride - has one out of the possible accompanying verses as Ezekiel 28:17
3/ Covetousness - has one out of the possible accompanying verses as Isaiah 14:13-14 (i.e. archetype of Satan)

I only stole time for other things/ from others to quickly address you with the above. I will fully in due course reply to your other posts about Pharaoh's that was Harden, your contesting that A&E couldn't have changed anything or better still weren't capable or equipped enough to successfully and fully beyond the last hour, safely "weather the storm" and et cetera
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 7:31am On Sep 15
Maximus69:


What of your quest regarding Pharaoh and God?
Are you satisfied with our findings?
Not really, just about 65%.
How did God use Pharaoh for his glory?
The writer said - He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy on, and he will harden those he will harden
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 7:35am On Sep 15
Maximus69:


Well Jesus confirmed that Satan is guilty of all the atrocities ever committed on this planet!

At John 8:44 there Jesus called Satan a LIAR, the father of lie (meaning whatever makes humans to tell lies resulted from the first lie Satan initiated) and MURDERER.
Well all the wickedness in this world comes from those two evil traits! Galatians 5:19-21
1. Where / in what dispensation did Satan murder anyone?
2. Where / in what dispensation did Satan lie?
3. Will Lies & murder be the reason for Satan going into eternal torment?

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 7:51am On Sep 15
Maximus69:
What of your quest regarding Pharaoh and God?
Are you satisfied with our findings?

Blabbermouth:
Not really, just about 65%.
How did God use Pharaoh for his glory?
The writer said - He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy on, and he will harden those he will harden
MuttleyLaff: Are you busy thinking of how to wriggle your way out of the questions, hmm?
MuttleyLaff: What is "According to b" about?
MuttleyLaff: 1/ What according to you is "will"?
MuttleyLaff: 2/ How do you mean "will" isn't absolutely free?

MuttleyLaff: Good, so is this someone person always compelling you to make choice?

MuttleyLaff: You are stealing my definition, Try and be original nah, be more creative, create your own explanation of what "will" is

MuttleyLaff: "He was hardened by an higher force?" Now please explain to me in no uncertain terms, how exactly was Pharaoh hardened by an higher force.

MuttleyLaff: " I'm working with that definition?". Please don't make me laugh jor. You're working with the definition because you are making things up as we go along, always ready to change the appearance of the goal-post. You are inconsistent

MuttleyLaff: "Direct your Question to the hardener"? You are having a laugh and you know that. Look at you make a fleeting allegation and given the opportunity to back it up with cogent proof, you are slacking and shuffling feet

MuttleyLaff: Your position on freewill, for starters. You keep changing how you mean freewill is. I dont even know what your position is regarding freewill, which is why I havent pulled you up to get ready for the experiment

MuttleyLaff: "You speak as though there are established numbers of ways of hardening a man", you say and you forget, I gave you a golden opportunity to tell me how Pharaoh was hardened, but you threw the kind gesture right back in my face. Now you are playing a game of "You speak as though there are established numbers of ways of hardening a man".

OK in the Pharaoh case, how exactly, leaving no stone unturned was he hardened up. I do remember that he was given at least ten times, to allow the Israelites leave but he refused, through exercising his freewill
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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by sonmvayina(m): 9:29am On Sep 15
You might want to be sure first.

Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD: 10:11am On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

1. Where / in what dispensation did Satan murder anyone?

Satan was the one who deceived Eve and eventually brought death upon she, Adam and all of mankind. (Romans 5:12)
That's why Hebrews 2:14 says that Satan the Devil is “the one having the means to cause death”.
It's not as if he's the one doing the killing directly—but he draws people out according to their desires and seduces them into committing sin. It is that sin that brings forth death. (James 1:14,15)


2. Where / in what dispensation did Satan lie?
As the Bible would have it—the first lie ever told was the one told by Satan(John 8:44)
Jehovah God had specifically told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad and that, if they did eat, they would die. (Genesis 2:17)
Along came Satan—using a serpent as a mouthpiece, he asked Eve a trick question and she then recanted the instruction that God had given them.
Then Satan told the first lie:
“You certainly will not die.”—Genesis 3:4
He didn't stop there. He went on to claim that Jehovah was withholding something precious from them—by doing so, he slandered Jehovah's name and challenged the rightfulness and righteousness of Jehovah's Sovereignty/Supremacy.—Genesis 3:5


3. Will Lies & murder be the reason for Satan going into eternal torment?

As for Satan, him being the Chief Slanderer and a Murderer, judgment was already pronounced against Satan as far back as the garden of Eden—for putting up a rebellious attitude and inciting others—angels and humans—to join in the rebellion.
Jesus who came to be the promised “seed” would eventually crush the head of the serpent—that is, Satan the Devil—utterly destroying/annihilating him forever in the “lake of fire” which means the “second death” without a possible resurrection.(Compare Genesis 3:15 with Matthew 25:41,46, Hebrews 2:14, 1John 3:8 and Revelation 20:2,10)
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 10:15am On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

Not really, just about 65%.
How did God use Pharaoh for his glory?
The writer said - He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy on, and he will harden those he will harden

The mercy here is not talking about those who honestly wants to worship God, according to his judicial decisions God himself can't help it but to draw such ones to himself because his will is that everyone (Adam's descendants) should come to an accurate knowledge and be saved!

The mercy here is about someone who is dealing badly with God's servant ignorantly! God may choose not to avenge such error during the person's lifetime, perhaps such a person knew nothing about JEHOVAH, therefore the oppressor "might be shown mercy" so to speak as he will live throughout his life without having to face the consequences of his error.

As for hardening of Pharaoh's heart, that means God spared Pharaoh's life without touching him or dethroning him.
There is a Yorùbá adage that says
"When you only defend without attack, your adversary is empowered like you're hardening his heart so to speak towards you!

Ìwo la rí bá wí, Ìwo la rí bá wí, ìwo tóo gbaya won tóò gbàyáa won, ìwo la rí bá wí
loosely translated
"you're to blame, you're to blame, for snatching their wife and sparing their mother, you're to blame"
Imagine someone snatched a neighbour's wife and instead of the other man to surrender, he's bragging or threatening to revenge. Yorùbá believed that if you've snatched both his wife and mother, he will surrender completely!

Jehovah is hardening Pharaoh's because he has the power to stop his breath but didn't! smiley
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by shadeyinka(m): 10:16am On Sep 15
Sermwell:
The concept of religion doesn't make sense to me at all. I have a lot of questions I want to ask but we seem not to be ready for this conversation. One of the questions is the picture attached below.
Does anybody feel same or I'm the only one??

cc: lalasticlala
cc: Seun

saddler:
If you ask their Pastors this question they will insult you and your family just like they are doing to Freeze

thesicilian:
Too many questions to ask. For example, we now know that there are billions of other places in the universe that the demons who rebelled in heaven could have been sent to. Why were they sent to Earth, the only place that God himself meticulously created and placed His beloved humans?
Only if you care for the truth and crave for understanding:

1. Just as there are Physical laws that govern the universe, there are Spiritual laws that govern existence.
2. One spiritual laws says that "the soul that sin against God shall be excised (perish)". This is the law of sin and death.
God has His refuse dump for such people or angels. It is called the lake of fire.
3. Without the shedding of Blood, forgiveness of sin is impossible.
4. God created spirit beings (man is also a spirit being) with ability for freewill.
5. Freewill is meaningless if spirit beings are not given absolute freewill even to rebel against God. But then, the law of sin and death kicks in (the soul that sin shall die!).
6. Human beings were created as "sons of God" who will willingly (by their volition) submit to God in LOVE and REVERENCE as children.
7. Volition becomes real only when it is tested
8. Satan was just a catalyst and instrument of test of human volition.
9. The world is thus a SCHOOL of SELECTION of humans with desirable TRAITS. Of the mess existing in the world, a select few will come out. These are TRULY the SONS of God!
10. Humans have an inherited infection that give them the nature to SIN. And so, all have sinned and missed Gods glory.
11. By the law of sin and death, ALL human beings are liable for the judgement of eternal separation from God (in the lake of fire)
12. Since JUSTICE must be served by the rule of sin and death, the only way out was for someone equivalent or greater to pay the Penalty of sin. When this penalty is paid, then the sinner can truely go Scot-free because his punishment has been served.
13. It takes only a human being to pay the Penalty of sin for another human being. Unfortunately, no human being is qualified to pay for another as he has his own "sin nature" to pay for.
14. For this reason because God loved human beings, His WORD became human and His blood shed for the forgiveness of sin of WHOSOEVER will accept it.
16. Whoever accepts Gods sacrifice on behalf of himself become a new person. His kernel/debt of sin is forgiven. Such is now officially a Child of God born of God's Spirit (Born Again).
17. The one who is Born Again is
A. expected to pass his exams (in this world) and become one of the Cloud of Witnesses against the diehard sinful people.
B. He is expected to use his remaining time to preach salvation to the rest of the world.
C. He is expected to live a life of LOVE to man and to God.
D. He is expected to use his gifts and talents to build other believers
18. On his faithfulness to doing A, B, C and D, he is rewarded after his time in the classroom and exam (on earth)

Only if you care for the truth and crave for understanding:


By the way:
Even though Christianity has some components of Religion, Christianity is NOT a religion: it is a RELATIONSHIP with God as CHILDREN!
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by shadeyinka(m): 10:47am On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

These are problems caused because people believe the myth that "God knows the future"

Sweetheart, God didn't foreknow that Lucifer will fall

God Will not just Kill Lucifer. He himself (I mean God) claimed he was and still is "Just". Should a just Judge/God execute a spirit without a fair and proper judgment? No! That is why we have a"judgement day"..
Until that day, Satan lives on.
Very lame.
Is it that God also didn't know that Satan was on the earth?
And God didn't know what satan will do to Adam and Eve?
And God didn't know that Adam and Eve will eat of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil?
Probably God wasn't even aware that the tree that produced death was in the midst of the garden.

Please, you err by discussing such a topic with a skeptic or atheist. It is sufficient to answer the questions to the best of your ability

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by kingxsamz(m): 11:14am On Sep 15
Ade3131:
The concept of religion is a very tricky and complex concept to understand. When you try to be as objective as possible in dissecting religious beliefs to get to the core or root of it all, you'll be forced to say religion is nothing but a tool to manipulate or shape people's behavior and get people to reason in a controlled manner.

But then again, if you take your skepticism further into the law that establish the origin of things, either living or none-living, one will be compelled to believe that the world couldn't have just erupted from non-existence into existence. Just like it will be so lame to say the phone you're reading this from wasn't made by anyone, that it just sprout into existence from nowhere. We equally cannot say that the house we're living in wasn't built that it just spring into existence.

If you take the thoughts further, the concept of Quran and Bible as being scriptural will become clearer too. Every product should have a manual/job card. That's a concept God himself has put in place for all to follow and that's why every or most human inventions take this order too. For every invention, there's a users guide.

However, how come the existence of God is so questionable from a constructive perspective? I think this is down to our limitations as humans and not God's own flaws because he's the height of perfection. I say this because our knowledge of what is right or wrong was engineered by him... So how do you measure up when the One who wired and engineered our thinking faculty clouded it with his magnanimity and superiority over us. We can only imagine how big he is or how we perceived his supposed 'flaws' but those imaginations can only be within the scope and limit he has permitted us.

How did you know that it is a "He"? undecided
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by kingxsamz(m): 11:20am On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

A Just Judge will never send a suspect to prison or proclaim execution until the suspect has been tried, trialed and found guilty as charged.
Until Judgment is passed on Satan, a just God should not just execute him or send him to eternal prison.
Ask other bugging questions by God's grace and revelation you will receive satisfactory answers.

Lol, that is what the OP is saying.
Why not pass the judgment now?
Why wait?
It's more like being a detective, and you know there's a serial killer on the loose. You know this serial killer's whereabouts, where he lives, where he eats, where he goes, who he's friends with, but you're like, "let me just let him have fun, maybe after some years, I'll catch him".
Makes no damn sense.
And no, according to your belief, the devil is not a suspect, because he's the one responsible for every bad thing that ever happened. (according to your belief).

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by shadeyinka(m): 12:03pm On Sep 15
sonmvayina:
You might want to be sure first.
No Prophet told Israel NOT to worship a crucified Christ!

Very good logic!

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 12:11pm On Sep 15
kingxsamz:


Lol, that is what the OP is saying.
Why not pass the judgment now?
Why wait?
It's more like being a detective, and you know there's a serial killer on the loose. You know this serial killer's whereabouts, where he lives, where he eats, where he goes, who he's friends with, but you're like, "let me just let him have fun, maybe after some years, I'll catch him".
Makes no damn sense.
And no, according to your belief, the devil is not a suspect, because he's the one responsible for every bad thing that ever happened. (according to your belief).

The proceedings of Satan's trial must be fully carried out before his execution!

This is a case having to do with spirits not humans, so they don't have a lifespan unlike humans whose ancestor Adam has brought under a situation where we now have an expire date or period. They can live forever!
So the case is between them, but where it concerns humans is the root cause that made Satan a criminal

God ~ humans can't succeed independently of my guidance, there will be trouble everywhere

Satan ~ you're a liar, allow them to make use of their brains after all you created them to be intelligent, so why must you continue monitoring them if truthfully the freewill you gave them is real

So time is required to settle this issue, however humans are suffering due to being lesser than spirits. But God has lost his first human Son, so all of us living now are not as important as the issue to be resolved. We have to wait until it is settled, he (God) promised that when this case is settled, whoever proved to be on his (God's) side will be remembered and raised back to life!
Meanwhile any of us in haste can find a solution to his/her problem if you have the power to do so, as for the case on ground it must be settled first!

Meanwhile Satan is loosing greatly, for the past 6,000 years according to the book, humans have tried various system of government when they're becoming many on the surface of the earth but none has been successfully so far, rather things has been getting worse. Today DEMOCRACY is the system of government humans are hailing as if it will bring solace but it's not, even in America where the idea was raise, it's not solving their problem!

That's the big issue Sir! smiley
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Brachaa(f): 12:24pm On Sep 15
Our God is a jealous God.

Now, God wants to know those who truly love Him or would choose Him over the devil from a genuine heart. So if he disposes of the devil by himself, a lot of fakers and pretenders will fill the heavens. That is why He has given man the free will to chose this day, whom they'll serve but also advised them to follow Him. And you see so many have made their choices.

Cleared?

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