₦airaland Forum

eku_bear:
I think it is actually easier to invade than most other regions, tbh. I don't think it would be too hard to accomplish the task.

You do know that forest terrain is harder to conquer to flat plains or sahel regions? Just ask the Americans about Vietnam or the British in Burma. Igboland is situated in a tropical rainforest, Yorubaland is not.

However, you have been screaming bloody murder for a while. Do something eku. A person who does not speak his mother tongue. You think that you can come to Igboland?

Some of these Yoruba posters need to watch their words carefully, before they have no allies.

We tried to be diplomatic with you people, but it seems like you do not want to listen. This will not bode well for Lagos.

emmatok:
What are you drinking MAN.

You forget that the South East is LANDLOCKED. . And they can be surrounded

Do not involve the IJAWS AND PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTH SOUTH.

So if you want to invade Lagos you will have to go through the other YORUBA STATES.

The South-East may be landlocked, but Igboland is not. If you think Igboland is only found in the South-East states, you need your head examined. Or someone should slap some sense into you.

Ijaws already are claiming parts of Yorubaland so what are you smoking?  

Lagos is not good territory to defend, because we can always arrive by sea just like the Ijaws did at Atlas Cove. And we already have men on the ground. We are a sizable minority.

Alj Uche:
my brother, i think you should listen to you yoruba brothers, remember we igbos are good people and very diplomatic

we should always avoid any form of violence

The last time we listened to Yorubas, we had a knife in our back. Sorry but those days are long gone.

Only a coward avoids violence when an abomination is committing against them.

eku_bear:
@EzeUche: If Lagos is ever razed by Igbos, then I will devote my lifetime to seeing Igboland utterly destroyed.

Most of your people are scared to come to the East. I would love to see you personally come to the East and do that. It is not that easy to invade Igboland as it is to do in the South-West. You of all people should know that.

Hausa-Fulani bearing down from the North, Igbos and Ijaws from the East. Get used to it. If you all have the strength to defeat us, than do so.

The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

seanet02:
mumu, have you ever heard what is called 'The Lung Of the World"?
That is where i will drop you to live the rest of your Life if you keep arguing with your better on the Bolded!!

I guess you don't know the difference between physical geography and human geography.   

Shows how smart you are i-diot. You will never be smarter than me. Not in a million years.

I'll be lying if I said I wasn't envious of the might and culture of the Benin Kingdom.

seanet02:
Reverse is the case. Lagos will continue to Prosper while Ohakim will continue to plaunder Iboland into more Misery

Does Ohakim = Igboland. You must of been asleep in Geography class. Igboland by far is more prosperous than the whole of the South-West minus Lagos.

It shows how ignorant you Yorubas are when it comes to other regions in Nigeria. Igboland has been spared the devastation that can be found in the core Niger Delta.

seanet02:
It's a pity ez\euche like babbling on Nonsensical issues. how can you say he can not lay claim to Lagos since he is not from Lagos. Once he is a Yoruba Man, he can do as he like in Lagos. But for us to allow omo Ajeku Okuta Mamu omi to Start doing omo Onile in Lagos, Never. we no go allow such harakiri

Rubbish!

Now I can see Lagos will be ground-zero if you Yorubas try anything to deprive Igbo SETTLERS of land in Lagos. If you all cannot recognize our right to Lagos just like Ijaws, Ibibio, Urhobos, Isako, Bini etc have a right to Lagos, then no one can have Lagos.

I pray that one day Lagos goes into the sea, but if that doesn't happen, Lagos would be best razed. . . And you all can go back to whatever trashy city that you hail from. Ibadan has been neglected all these years.

Do you Yorubas from other parts of Yorubaland have an ancestral claim to Lagos?

It is a honest question. Or, because the people who claim ownership are a Yoruba clan, than all Yorubas have a claim to Lagos?

That is why I say if there is a revolution in Nigeria, it is not only enough that you deal with the politicians. You have to deal with their spawn as well.

If I was her husband, I would take matters into my own hands and have the man "dealt" with him personally. No one would do that to my wife and live.

revomind:
You don't even have to sow anything when the land is ancestrally yours.

And the land has been bought by outsiders. If you sell your ancestral land, you have no right to claim it. That is why you all should have kept the land instead of selling it for money. This is the way the world works. Once you sell something, you cannot have it back.

Are you even from Lagos? I mean are your ancestors from Lagos. Just because you are a Yoruba does not mean you have an ancestral claim to the land.

afam4eva:
This is the reason why Nigeria should be split let everyone go their seperate ways. This is crazy. Is there any constitution in the world that allows people to vote but not be voted for. How can some who was born in Lagos or has lived the better part of their life in lagos not be allowed to contest for a political offfice. It is a backward thinking to say the least.

By the way how's the capital of a country determined because i think it's cheating that you build a capital with federal money and at the end of the day someone is telling me that everyone does not have equal right in that city.

Thank you!

On a side note, the people of the East will not claim Lagos if the oil companies leave that city for a city in the East. Port Harcourt should be the obvious location for all these oil companies. Why have a headquarter in Lagos when it is not even the capital anymore?

Once the oil companies leave Lagos, so will the jobs leave Lagos. That is the simple truth. Everyone is welcomed to Port Harcourt though. I don't care if you are Ijaw, Igbo, Ibibio, Yoruba, Hausa etc. I want Port Harcourt to become a more cosmopolitan city.

These Yoruba posters are so boisterous with their threats.

We all know who are the most tribalistic people in Nigeria.

Look at the way they talk

They reap where they did not sow.

Lagos was built by everybody, not just the Yoruba. It was by fate, that Lagos was even given such significance. It was not out of love for the Yoruba. Port Harcourt, Sapele and Warri could have easily been given such importance.

Maybe this should scare them into acting right.

^^^
It makes perfect sense

Lagos and Abuja are fair game for political representation.

But that doesn't mean we are taking control.

Is that hard for you to understand? Or should I S P E L L it out slowly for you.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

^^^

You speak for no Northerner. Especially the ones in Lagos.

They do not easily forget to what happened to them in 2002.

There is always a fear of Igbo-Hausa alliance in Lagos. The Hausa do not have any permanent friends, they have permanent interest. And this is the type of belief that I subscribe to.

PhysicsMHD:
Did I say Igbos were not native to Edo state? As for claiming "all of Edo state," Igbos in Edo state cannot claim more than a few villages that could easily be transferred to Delta state once the Igbos there stop seeing themselves as Edo.

There's a difference between being native to Edo state and being from Benin city, by the way.

As for claiming political representation in Benin city, that's not something I even have to address because Chike Ekwuyasi, who was from Ogwashi-Uku, was elected in 1951 on the Otu-Edo platform to represent Benin. So you obviously don't have a good grasp of Binis' liberalism. The problem is when people start using that carefree, open-minded liberalism to advance an ethnic agenda. There's simply no reason why Igbos coming all the way from Imo or Enugu should have more of a political voice in Benin city than Owan or Etsako or some other non-Benin group just because Igbos, with a whole population of 25+ million east of the Niger to draw on, are able to populate the city faster and to a greater extent than those other non-Bini groups. If Benin city is to become a truly cosmopolitan city instead of the Bini city that it has been for over a thousand years, then you absolutely cannot claim that Igbos should get ethnically based political representation based on their numbers.

You are right, I am not familiar with Binis' liberalism. My main focus is East of the River Niger. However, I am interested in the well-being of my people wherever they reside.

Currently, I don't even see Benin City as a destination or even worth fighting over. No offense. I think all groups should have a major city to call their own or should I say a capital city. Igbos have Enugu, Bini have Benin City, Hausa have Kano and Yorubas should have Ibadan.

Lagos and Abuja are fair game.

And yes I feel a people should ethnic representation based on their numbers. It is simple logic that if your people are found in an area in large numbers, they should have some sort of representation. We are not taking control of a city. We just want representation!

PhysicsMHD:
Actually, in case you haven't been following Nairaland, I recently had to argue against two Yorubas who were convinced that Yorubas made up something like 10% of Edo state!

Why did they think this? Because even with all the historical links and cultural similarities between Edos and Yorubas, they used those Edos who lean even more to the Yoruba side culturally than is usual for Edo state to start claiming ownership of 10% of Edo state. That's a starting point for future claiming.

As for Benin, my problem is with the erosion of distinct, unique identities being subsumed into one mix with the influx of foreign populations. I don't like the Hausanization of Nigerian clothing - I would have preferred if my own people wore variants of the kinds of clothing seen in Benin art or which we had been weaving since before the 13th century - but not because I don't like the Hausas/Fulanis or their clothing. I actually like several aspects of their culture and like their clothing a lot, but I don't want to give up what my own people had that was unique.




As for claiming Benin city, if I recall, weren't you the one on here bragging about how Igbos were supposedly 50% of Sapele at one point? I could be wrong about it being you that said so, but somebody definitely was bragging about that. What's the difference, really?

Anyway, you didn't dispute my overall point.

And as you know, Igbos are native to Edo state as well. If you say they aren't, I shall call you a liar.

Yet, we Igbos do not claim all of Edo state. We know our boundaries clearly. Simply mentioning that there are a lot of Igbos in Benin City, but we wouldn't dare claim ownership. We are not even claiming ownership of Lagos. We just want political representation. I would ask the same for Benin City if there were a lot of Igbos living in that town as well.

No taxation without representation as the Americans would say.

Well I am sorry that you have to worry about your culture eroding due to the dominant cultures of other groups. That is why population matters in that world, but your people can still remain distinct if you all cherish your heritage and history.

And I never even mentioned Sapele. Frankly, I would not make such a statement, because I do not know much about Sapele to be honest. I don't even know how many Igbos are in that city. Therefore, I think you have me confused with somebody.

babaearly:
wow you got a bag full of pipe dreams, Joseph.

That is very [b]disingenuous [/b]of you to not to give the full quote.

It changes the whole meaning of the statement.

PhysicsMHD is only saying that because he fears that can happen to Benin City. He already know there are Igbos are in Benin City in quite large numbers who consider themselves Benin Boys like the rest of them.

That is why I can understand PhysicsMHD point of view, but he has to understand that we Igbos would never claim Benin City, which was built by the hands of the Bini people.

Lagos on the other hand was built by different groups of people and each group who has added to the success of Lagos should be able to benefit from it politically.

I can't believe I am reading that some foolish posters would say that Lagos did not need the support of the British. The main reason that Lagos is considered an economic powerhouse is due to the British focus on that city.

If the British did not arrive in that town, it would be still considered swampland.

Only a few cities in Nigeria had the necessary means of growing into commercial centers in Nigeria without British involvement and that would have been Benin City, Onitsha, Kano and Ibadan.

Cities like Port Harcourt, Lagos, Warri even Sapele at one time thrived due to British interest.

Beaf:
Don't mind the bigotted drunkards. For some reason they think the Igbo must deliver block votes to Fashola like robots without as much as engaging their brains, simply because they are settlers.
I assume the bigots here are looking in the mirror and evaluating how they themselves will act like meek pussycats in far off places. Are they saying that their own relatives in far off lands live in prehistoric settlements with no central leadership or cultural associations? Are they saying they themselves are so culturally weak that they simply get absorbed by their host communitiers in far off lands?

Some people are really foolish.

Thank you!

You understand the situation that is being discussed.

~Bluetooth:
So lagos was discovered after the colonial masters came ?

Did I say that? No. I said Lagos would not have been important if it wasn't for the British.

You do know Sapele, Port Harcourt and even Asaba at one time were very important to our colonial masters. If they made any of these cities the capital, we would not be talking about Lagos now would we?

^^^

Simple semantics. . .

Just get over it and voice your grievances to Fashola.

If he wants our votes, maybe he should look to our interest as well, because we are citizens of Lagos as well. Not some 2nd class citizen who contributes to the city, but doesn't get anything out of it.

yarodin:
EzeUche a Yoruba man will never rule Abia even if he is a million times better than Fashola, we still have years to go before such a thing will happen.

We do not know that. I have yet to hear a Yoruba man run for anything in Abia State. They were appointed to some positions, but I have never seen anyone run for governor of Abia State.

Enugu actually paved the way of electing a non-indigene before any other city in Nigeria, in which the first mayor of Enugu was Umaru Achini.

Eko Ile:
All the birth right thing is really irrelevant, but to say a land where people have kings/obas, where their Language and culture is dominant, where the language of discuss withing the state legislature is dominant, where every aspect of societal understanding is dominant a no mans land renders you ignorant and grossly unenlightened.


Some of you really need to grow up an start reasoning like adults for real,

You are the one who sounds unenlightened. No offense. And you are sounding very xenophobic. Lagos was not built only by Yorubas, it was built by many groups. It can be said that the British focused on that city more than other group. Lagos would not be where it is, if it was not for the British and their colonial ambitions.

My people have invested money in Lagos, the resources of the Niger Delta were used to build up Lagos and other people have contributed to that city's "success."

I am looking for a more cosmopolitan city.

Maybe it will help you to respect other people's ways.

Eko Ile:
Who cares really? By issuing your silly threats, us against them mentality and blackmail, you placed yourself in the second class citizen position.


Lobbying and blackmail have 2 different definitions and meanings  and I'm glad you're now using the more responsible and refined grammar to qualify what your leaders should have done.  

Lobbying like I suggested = seeking audience and presenting your concerns, not making crude threats and threatening blackmail like cheap thugs,

Where did Ohanaeze blackmail Fashola? Seems like lobbying to me.

"We have already endorsed President Goodluck Jonathan for the presidency. This is very important. The conditions are that Governor Fashola should appreciate our contributions to the development of the state and should reciprocate that by appointing Igbos as commissioners. In his cabinet what we are asking are not out of place because Ndigbo make up about 46 percent of the total population of the state. But this does not reflect in political appointment, she should also appoint Igbo into the boards of parastatals and agencies. Our business interests and welfare also need more protection. However, we acknowledged that the governor performed wonderfully well in his first term and as it said in politics ‘One good term deserves another’."

That seems fair to me, and the language was not crude either. Ohanaeze wants better representation for the Ndigbo in the government. I don't see where Ohanaeze is trying to have Igbos rule Lagos. We just want better representation in government. Is that so much to ask for? I don't think so.