₦airaland Forum

ChinenyeN:
Bros, a begi, calm bodi down naa. Hypertenshion no guud.
. . . and this concerns Ngwa, how?

Do not forget Ngwa boy that my people have defeat you all in battle. Never forget that. This is all that I am saying. . .

komando:
@ Ezeuche
You are watering down the influence of your thread and your own staus as one of the Onye Ndu Ndi Igbo of Nairaland by engaing in an Aro-Ngwa debate with ChinenyeN. For all you know he is bk babe, and you are fallen into his trap as he repeatedly tries to derail your thread. Focus on your original topic, something that has made waves even outside this forum.

I was wrong. . . Historical bad blood between the Ngwa and the Aro gives me a headache. And when entities like ChinenyeN like to use bait, sometimes I fall for the bait.

What muscle does the South-South have?

Are we not only talking about the Ijaw who consider the South-South as theirs?

ChinenyeN:
a begi, help me understand why you're getting so worked up, over an unimportant group, like the Ngwa? With ya post, i go bi laik se una no need Ngwa, apparently, if other groups' influences are more efficient. So for wetin yu de give ya sef high blood pressure?

I am getting upset, because such a mediocre clan that is clearly Igbo would try to separate themselves from the wider Igbo even though your people came down from Mbaise.

The Aro people are clearly mixed, yet we do not act in such a way.

komando:
Chinenyen
This thread is not about just the ngwa, but about Igboland and it's environs and final borders: you iritate the rest of us when you contrive to make it about Ngwa. Why don't you just stop. Nbwa may be the biggest Igbo kingdom, but can never be more importwnt than the whole of Igbo land. And if you people came from Okrika and Bonny nko? that does not detract from your inportance WITHIN Igboland.

You spoke the truth. In the annals of Igbo history, the Ngwa are not that important compared to other groups whose influences can be felt throughout Alaigbo and the East.

[b]Nri, Arochukwu, Ohafia, Onitsha, Igbo-Ukwu, Orlu and Nnewi [/b]could be considered very important, but when do people talk about Ngwa. Only when you mention Aba or the Aba women's riot.

To think that an Ngwa would try to be like this even though his ancestors came from a Core Igboland area in Mbaise. While an Aro such as myself who has Igbo and Ibibio elements in our blood consider ourselves as wholly Igbo. And me like many Aro Igbo speak both Igbo and Ibibio. Do the Ngwa speak both Igbo and Ijaw? No. . .

Since you both are negative, do it!

It feels much better than using some condom.

Oldest profession in the world. Someone has to do it.

If this is all true, these "Canoe People" are occupying land that was not their own. We Igbos have more claim to the south-east than these Ijaw who migrated from Warri. Very interesting.

"Mr. Onueze Chukwujindu Joe Okocha (SAN), a.k.a OCJ Okocha, is an Ikwerre heavy-weight and a former President of Nigerian Bar Association. OCJ, In his speech to Ogbako Ikwerre USA, told his kinsmen that the Ikwerres could have had more than one source of origin, and that Arochukwu is just one undeniable one. He credited the founding of two out of the four segments of Ikwerre to Arochukwu."

If this is indeed true, Arochukwu influence has was wider than I thought!

From Arochukwu to Ikwerre from Ikwerre to Cameroon, my people are truly widespread. And knowing now that Goodluck grandfather hailed from Arochukwu is amazing as well.

Maybe it is true. Aro Igbo were the Fulani of the East. Hate using that comparison though.

supereagle:
Ndi Igbo leaders will always support IBB ,

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http://www.againstbabangida.com

And Yorubas will always hate IBB. So where do we stand?

supereagle:
IBB is making sense to fools who forget History, IBB is making sense to fools who only think of what they make out of Nigeria not what they will contribute to Nigeria.
IBB cannot rule this country again unless by rigging. May God continue to judge his house forever for throwing Nigeria into Chaos and Calamities.
There is an Interview on the net that the man killed Abiola , Bola Ige ,Idiagbon and Abacha. I have the link.

This names do not sound Igbo to me.

chyz:
Im sure they are from kwara, u know how those yorubas loves to claim fulani

Could be sjeezy8 relatives!

THE AMAKA:
what are you doing tonight?

DC chillin.

I was hoping that these people were from the southwest. Oh well, so northerners are adding to instability in the East. This should be taken seriously.

komando:
Already this thread is manifesting nationaly.some readers met Ijaw leader Edwin Clarke this weekend to promote Igbo-Ijaw relations. Kudos Ezeuche.
P:s awolowo said anything outside Southwest was :Igbos on this thread cannot be accused of claiming other groups(including ishekiris as Igbos. Mba nu.

Thank you!

naijaking1:
@Aigbofa
I didn't say the Afonjas have denied their Yoruba[i]ness[/i], I just used it as an exmple to show you how Igbos named Amechi, Okoro, and Uwakwe would deny being ndigbo

Don't see why someone who bears such names would deny being Igbo. It is crazy I tell you.

Like ChinenyeN who has an Igbo name would try to seperate himself from the wider Igbo when someone in Anambra or Enugu could bear such a name.

THE AMAKA:
OMG! share the gist  

That is for another thread. I think I am going to be sick from what I am reading.  

Well let me not derail my own thread.

THE AMAKA:
meaning? LOL

There are some disgusting, freaky, perverted and nasty people on NL!

THE AMAKA:
mhm. . .check your inbox one of these days.

I am checking my inbox now! And some people (not you) have some explaining to do!

Abagworo:
i'm not ngwa.ngwa has never denied igbo.i just want to enlighten some people on the complex definition of ethnicity.igbo is a very loose ethnic group and our unity is based on tolerance for the views of the various tiny units.we are disadvantaged by the 1966 coup, the resultant war of survival,the presence of crude oil in some of our units or sub groups and the over-competitive nature of the northern igbos who lack both land and natural resources.

And who are these Northern Igbos that lack both land and natural resources. I think the Igbos present in Benue State have plenty of land.

I haven't heard a Ngwa denying to be Igbo until I met ChinenyeN and his insidious character.

Igbo as an ethnicity has enough room to include the regional differences that are present in Alaigbo. I am an Aro man, but I love being known as an Igbo.

ChinenyeN:
EzeUche, it is naive to think that regional identities will die away anytime soon; seriously naive.

It is naive to think that things always stay the same. You are one clannish Igbo. Maybe that is, because you are not exposed to other Igbo clans like the rest of us who were raised in the East.

People do not even discuss clans in such a way.

Ngwa this and Ngwa that. . . blah. . . blah. . . blah.

ChinenyeN:
Wow, I cannot believe my Igboness is in question, yet again. You people here are something else. I shouldn't even be asked such, let alone having to answer it. Let me just hold my tongue, and keep my peace. I will not stress over this with you all anymore.

Do not act surprised that your "Igboness" has come into question. The way you present yourself says otherwise. That even the enemies of the Ndi Igbo see this as a way to attack us using you! And you like the fool you sometimes are, believe they have your best interest in mind.

I think you don't understand the ramifications of the balkanization of the East and Igboland by extension. It has cause many problems. Maybe you should travel to Alaigbo for once and see how our region is not progressing due to this balkanization. And you will understand why so many Igbos vehemently oppose your way of thinking!

ChinenyeN:
EzeUche, mixing has been going on for ages. Yet, these regional identities persist, and to be honest, I doubt that these regional identities are going anywhere. Sorry, but that's just the reality of the situation. If you have a problem, take it up with Ala.

You do not know what you are talking about. Go to a place like Enugu and you will understand. Frankly, go to Alaigbo and you will understand. Your precious Aba is changing rapidly. Thanks to Igbos from places like Anambra who are changing the identity of the region.

If I must say one thing, people from Anambra who are the most widespread will have the most profound impact on the Igbo people.

THE AMAKA:
I don't speak Igbo, but. . .
ouch, don't stop!  
[size=2pt]*let's not derail this thread any further* [/size]

I was about to say the same thing temptress.  

We can take this to another place.

Abagworo:
urhobo and isoko situation.urhobo and isoko speak thesame language by igbo standards.the difference between urhobo and isoko lects is same as owerri and ngwa.they are closely related.

I think that is foolish as well. But that is expected in many African nations since our people were not able to follow the usual evolutionary steps for society. Eventually, they would have formed one group.

Igbo bu Igbo. I don't care what a person says. And it is not up for discussion. Tell that to the UN and say, "yes we speak the same language, have the same names, and share the same culture but we are not the same."

THE AMAKA:
please do! I'm begging you. . .

You would be begging me to stop. Chineke, Chineke, Chineke. lol Let me stop.

ChinenyeN:
EzeUche, the Igbo situation is socio-political. So my "biri ka m biri" comment has a place here. Sorry, but that's the simple truth.

ChinenyeN,

I already know you would think this way. It is because you are very clannish and see Ngwa first and foremost. However, be aware that in your precious Ngwaland, other Igbo customs and clans have infiltrated your region. And in a couple of decades, the Ngwa like many other Igbo clans will be thoroughly mixed a people from different regions move around Alaigbo.

A general Igbo person in the future will be mixed amongst many clans and that will finally break down the clan structure. And keep in mind that many Igbos in Igboland are made up of different clans.

Abagworo:
language is not the only determinant.you can have exactly the same dialect and culture but disagree on ethnicity.it could be on the grounds of economic disadvantage .

Give me an example anywhere in the world where this happens. I have never heard of such logic. It just confuses my mind to hear people say this.

Where in the world does this happen except in Igboland?

THE AMAKA:
Eze Uche, hush boy

Don't make me come to Cali with my DC swag and teach you a lesson.

Abagworo:
in as much as i agree with you that everyone has right to self determination,your comparisons is way off it.

this is how it should have gone You don't see yorubas trying to forcibly absorb ijebus or egbas in the south west.

Are they not forcibly absorbed by the south west?

Soon the Itsekiri who language looks Yoruba to me will soon be claimed. The Yoruba use the Itsekiri example against the Igbo even though the Yorubas have claimed there minority groups.

Aigbofa:
Why can't you just be secured in your own ethnicity and let others decide where they truly belong? You don't see Yorubas trying to forcibly absorb Itshekiris or Ijaws in the south west!

My ethnicity includes them. The Yoruba could never claim the Ijaws, because they have their own language. It is not like we Igbos are claiming a people with a different language. These people speak our language for centuries! Not some recent occurrence.

ChinenyeN:
EzeUche, biri ka m biri. Simple.

Get out of here with this rubbish!

I would expect a clannish Igbo like you to use this proverb in such a way. We are talking about politics, not something our forefathers passed to us.