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Sagamite:
No. What is your point?

Sorry but how else do you want me to explain?

What is "The Manshaft"? Sounds German to me but confirm. And if it is, are you saying Germany are using over-aged players? If so, where do you reside?

Where I reside is irrelevant to this subject matter and yes Manshaft is German. (Where is Dayo when you need him  )

It does not nullify anything, you are just looking for any small element of doubt you can throw in the equation (I saw you doing the same in the Ribadu $15m thread despite overwhelming logical conclusions). That is why I have gone to do extensive research to ensure I don't give you the space. Nigeria was the one that did the scan in Nigeria and Doha, FIFA is going to do it on random players AT THE tournament. Evidence is here because I knew you will not accept logical conclusions:

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/developing/medical/news/newsid=1121679.html

Oh there you go. And what will you say if and when FIFA conducts their test and ALL the players including Chukwudi pass the test?  
Really, I don't know what you call a logical conclusion? Ribadu said Ibori gave him money. Ibori said No, I never did. Waziri comes out (in The US) and says, yes there is $15M waiting at CBN and deposited by Ribadu. Is that what you call logical? Well, well, well. . .

As I said, I understand the Naija mentality & style and I think I predicted correctly, considering this fact I just dug up. http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Sport/5471586-147/Player_dropped_for_failing_age_test.csp

Again, the idea of lumping everyone to one corner is a nonsense attitude. Not what I expect from someone like you.

And your point is?

If you don't know that those names I gave you top the list of ALL time cheats in the history of sports, then I have nothing else to say to you.

Agreed. But after the tournament, no point huffing and puffing now and distracting the team.

Did you hear me say contrary? My point in addition to what was agreed was that he SHOULD prove this and NOT by simply saying so.
Heck, I can go on and say Obama was my classmate. Prove me wrong. 

I repeat, all the players of Western advanced countries are ALL at or below 17

Well, what can I say? Don't believe everything you read.

jay bee:
1) I am talking based on the topic not any outside beliefs or pre-conceived perception
2) Ribadu's side of the story has been collaborated by waziri. 15 million dollars just didn't appear at CBN and why will ribadu lodge his own personal money at CBN just to nail ibori? please apply common sense
Where is the right place? NPF account so interest can be yielded then you lot start shouting that he did it for his own personal gain or locked up somewhere where the money can suddenly disappear abi?
3) no doubt waziri should do her job but the topic is abt ribadu lodging the bribe money at the cbn.

1. What was the time frame between when he collected the money and when it was lodged?
2. Was Madam Waziri sleeping all this while? Why after so many months? Let Ribadu come back home and not hide in the UK (or wherever he is) feeling like the champion for and of the people.
3. The exchange took place in Andy Uba's place. . .(complete the rest)
4. Please apply common sense, when did the CBN become a place for depositing "evidence"? Because that is what it is.

Oh dear. I fear for this country. Hero worshipping people. I rest my case.

dramenda:
NO CAURSE FOR CONTROL EVERYTHING IS UNDER ALARM,

DRAMENDA OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

And when some nonsense manuscum talk you cannot help but question their sanity.

jay bee:
Wots your point on the real though? No one is saying Ribadu is the best or the messiah or some shit like that. What we are basically pointing out based on the bribe case is that only an honourable man would have rejected such (we are talking abt 2bn for crying out loud) in a country where anything goes.
He needs to be applauded for that dawg and the one offering the bribe castrated or stone to death cos the money being offered could have only been gained via illegitimate means.

1. Are you saying the below is sh!t? 

The Nigerian political class is like that. We are talking about people who went as far as to buy houses abroad with Ribadu's name. They opened foreign bank accounts in his name and paid in money. These things being written in this thread, it makes me shudder to see how we treat our best in this country!
Amen.

2. How do you know for a FACT that he rejected the bribe? Because he said so? or because he lodged the money with CBN? Is that the right place?


3. You want to know my stand? I will tell you. Waziri should do her job and make certain that the WHOLE TRUTH is known to the whole world from here in Nigeria and NOT on the VOA Hausa service in The US!

aisha2:
Insightfull and correct but most people opposing this veiw are blind, deaf and dumb to facts choosing instead to peddle rumors and heresay

If Ribadu is your best, then I fear for this country.

^^^ Well they did. It ain't over yet.

MrCrackles:
Topic. . . .
I predict a resounding Arsenal win!

. hmmmm

Sagamite:
NO western nation ala Germany, Spain, Italy, USA, New Zealand etc is guilty of age crime because:

1) They keep records of virtually the whole population from birth

2) The records are PUBLIC, anyone can go and check in birth registrys

3) The have unrestraint tabloids that are more loyal to selling copies than to the nation, who would be more than happy to spread such lies on the front page as "exclusive" and "exposee" and make a profit

4) The culture of cheating or being dishonest to win is dwarfed when compared to that of countries like Nigeria


Please don't mislead.

@Sagamite, I'd expect you to be more open on this.

1. Have you ever thought of where the phrase "football age" came from?
2. At least 3 (if not more) of the players in The Manshaft featured for the Euro U-17 last year and by all means they DO NOT look that age. Much more older if you ask me.
3. The tests were performed both in Nigeria and and you don't know for a fact that the test performed in Doha was by Nigerian officials. . .That my brother nullifies that claim (that the two test were performed by Nigerian officials). Those who failed were dropped, what other proof are you looking for?
4. The highligted is a GROSS MISTAKE on your path. Boris Onischenko, Fred Lorz, Briatore, Michael Schumacher, The Spanish Paralympics Basketball Team and a host of others. Do they sound familiar to you?

5. If truely, Adokie is saying the truth then I second the idea that not only should Chukwudi come out and debunk these claims, Adokie should also mention other players that played in the same team with him (Chukwudi).

6. Looking at the players in this tourney, one can boldly say that most of them "look" more than 17 with the exception of Brazil, Gambia and maybe one or two other countries.

dominique:
imagine if there was no stadium in Abuja, some people will come out and say the capital of a country cant boast of a single stadium. now we have someone complaining of a stadium there. . .is there any way of pleasing the naija people. i tire o

+1 . Thank you.

IFELEKE:
Ore,
I am 90% sure he is saying the truth(it is so very obvious that those boys are no where within the age range they claim. . .what we yorubas call ''aarun oju'') BUT my issue is the timing and intention of his so called ''truth''. In law there is term that says He who comes to equity/justice must come with clean hands'' Adokie is so very guilty of the same crime he is publicising so i wonder WHY!

My person. ba wo ni.
Yes, Adokie intentions remain cloudy but you see, you said 90% i.e it is NOT a fact.

IFELEKE:
Topic,
Adokie has a personal axe to grind with either the ''boy'' in question or the NFF.It's an open secret that all the boys we are parading are way over 17. . . my question to adokie is why now?

Same question we are all asking and the other issue is this, do we know for a fact is Adokie is saying the truth? 
These boys passed the MRI scan and by all means were cleared to play as U-17. Now that is a FACT!

gaphy:
I think the major problem with Nigerians we do not like to accept the truth, Ibori is a rogue, he doesn't evn deserve jail he should be killed, NigerDeltans are suffering and you pay $15 million to quash a corruption case. He's one of those who should have been examined before assuming office.

As for Ribadu; He's my Hero no matter what people say,here's a man who rejected a huge bribe that could be a condo in Monaco for God's sake,

FBS; I think Ibori is your sponsor, if not I am amazed at your endless thirst for evidence when Waziri has given us the 'Nirvana', if he's not a thief let him show his face in UK,

Gaphy, I will advise you to learn how to read first. Did you miss the part of my post where I clearly stated that I do not support Ibori? For goodness sake, learn to read first and if something is NOT clear to you, you have the right to ask.

Now to the topic. You say he should show his face in the UK? How does that sound to you? Why must he travel to the UK? Why don't you tell Ribadu to come home? I (unlike you) have decided to keep an open mind and let the court decide. It beats me as to why people take Ribadu words as the gospel truth. For all we know, the time frame is yet to be established. Why was the announcement made in the US and on Hausa service? rubbish if you ask me. Was she on Zopiclone Tablets on this while?
Let me repeat, if what Ribadu says is true, then this should be the easiest case ever. It may look simple but you know what, it isn't and that is why it is taking them this long.

Look at this from this angle, Andy Uba (whose house the "crime" took place) is yet to say a word and is not even under investigation and was cleared to run for Governorship, Ribadu who took the money is not in the country. Lastly, is CBN the right place to lodge the money if he had geniune intentions?

Like wirinet said:

Nobody is an Ibori apologist and nobody is exonerating Ibori , the bone of contention is Ribadu's sainthood.

Now do you get the picture?

Heck, for how long do we have to wait?

ogazi007:
Sent you packing from the competition you have never ever won.you will have to show some respect to the elders.

What are you on? expired Phensic?

olofofo:
I will like to say that some of the boys in our team candidly look a bit young, take kayode and some of 2 or 3 regulars that i can not remember their names right now. This is due partly to FIFA's use of the MRI, the real shock is that Adokiye Amiesimaka blow the whistle and some "real nigerian" here are calling him traitor, this make you wonder where we are heading to in this country of saints and sinners is equal proportions of 1:1

Question is, why NOW?

Sorry folks. . .looks like topic is already alive on another thread.

Here. . . https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-346148.32.html

Ogunjobi blasts Adokiye

NFF Executive committee member Taiwo Ogunjobi has accused former international Adokiye Amiesimaka of 'having an agenda' after the former Green Eagles winger claimed in his weekly column that Nigeria Under-17 captain Fortune Chukwudi is over aged.

Fifteen players from Nigeria's team were dropped in the run-up to the tournament after they failed to pass an MRI age-verification test.

Chukwudi was one of those who passed, but his age has been called into question by Adokiye, who says the player turned out for him as an 18-year-old seven years ago.

The claim has left Ogunjobi, chairman of the Federation's Technical Committee, fuming.

"He is just looking for a way to discredit Nigerian football," Ogunjobi flared.

"People like him, we know their plans. They are not after the interest of the country. They just want to discredit those who are there now so they can come in and take over."

Addressing the key question of Chukwudi's age, Ogunjobi reiterated that the player passed the MRI test, and not just once.

"Regarding this set of players, we have the confidence that none of them is over aged," he told KickOffNigeria.com.

"They did the MRI test both in Nigeria and in Doha when they went for the training camp and they all passed. We did not just rely on the test we did in Nigeria.
"In fact, just to be sure, we took three of the players who failed originally so that they could do the test again and they still failed.

"I can assure you that if we do the test again, all our players will pass."
Ogunjobi went on to question Amiesimaka's sanity

http://www.kickoff.com/static/news/article.php?id=12001

Emperoh:
I wonder how you cry then my friend. Maybe in Murano?

United to nick this one though not easily as we haven't gotten to our best display yet!!

There will be no need to cry . Point is CSKA have all to play for. Never underestimate the Military (KGB ) boys.

To be honest though, they've been nothing but sh!t lately. Their best player left months ago but with a new coach. . . .expect the unexpected. 

chic2pimp:
Why I no go complain? The best two sides in european cup history(16 european cups between us two) did not have a matchday thread created for them when they met @ the Bernabeu 2 weeks ago. If not for the wahala I created on the other matchday threads, I bet nothing woulda changed .

But you no suppose complain. You can as well start the thread moreso if your club is playing. If it's interesting, as you already know, folks will join.

@Topic: This should be a CLASSIC!

EAGLETS CAPTAIN ALLEGEDLY OVERAGE

Former Green Eagles winger Adokiye Amiesimaka has claimed that Golden Eaglets captain Fortune Chukwudi is at least nine years older than he says he is.

Writing in his column for national daily, The Punch, Amiesimaka claims that Chukwudi played for his Sharks youth team as far back as 2002/2003 football season.

"In the 2002/2003, I was chairman of the Sharks of Port Harcourt," Amiesimaka wrote. "I decided to have a feeder team of fresh school leavers not older than 20 years.

"As the feeder team concept was relatively new and because I had my own ideas about how a team at that level should be handled, I also doubled as its coach. 

"One of my key players then is the current captain of our so-called Under 17 team.

"By his own admission at that time, that is seven years ago, he was 18 years old. MRI test or not his football history is common knowledge.

"If we are not utterly irresponsible, how can he be eligible for this tournament when he is not less than 25 years old now?" Amiesimaka said.
http://www.kickoff.com/static/news/article.php?id=11986

Now if this man is normal, should he be saying this now? What evidence does he have against this guy?

This should be a HOT topic because I know a lot of people on NL are ready to roast the EAGLETS for no reason. Now that you have a semi-legitimate one. Roll on. . .start firing the bullets. 

bibiking1:
I believe we have dwelt on this issue for too long. There are facts and there are assumptions in the case, in our rush to make a quick point lets not get them muddled up. There is a sum of money and there are the actors. The rest are hypothesis that have no proof. The closest assumption we can imbibe is that the money is lodged with the central bank. Thats as far as certainty goes, please call me to order if i am wrong, but we all should not be vehement upon unverifiable hearsays.

Thank you.
Really, to all those saying because Waziri made some announcement on VOA makes Ribadu a saint, I say think twice. In every case there is more than meets the eye. If it wasn't then this should be a straight forward case.
Let them take Ibori to court and lets see how it goes. One thing is certain, this issue will NOT die away just like that.

Erm let me see, I laugh is Terrano.

Alxmyr:
What evidence are you looking for again? Is $15 Million the same as N15M? Anyone that could cough out such money to quell an interogation must know the meaning and the extent of his crime. Is it not here that Ibori said that he never offer Ribadu any money? Now Waziri, went to VOA (Hausa) to confirm that the money as an exhibit was indeed with CBN. Do you know how many Nigerians especially police officer in Ribadu's shoe who would have compromised for 1/10th of such money?
If somebody deserve commendation and praise. It should be given the accolade. Nuhu Ribadu deserve a standing ovation. He is truly a Nigerian Hero. And should be celebrated. He came out clean and brave.

Y'all still dancing around the same issue. Madam Waziri went on VOA Hausa in The US to talk about issues in Nigeria. Heck, why didn't she mentioned it Nigeria? Let them take Ibori to court and let the whole world know the true story.
A Nigerian Hero? Maybe yours but defo NOT mine. As far as I'm concerned, both have cases to answer.

FIREE!!! But mehn DaGrin ni baba.
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^^^And just what did they do?

nateevs:
My pics average 200TB in size. . .  
They knock Nairaland Servers off their racks. . .  

   
[s]But does that mean that your head is very big? [/s]
Kindly reduce them to 200KB.  

back2back:
Ribadu could have ARRESTED IBORI right there.

Infact, he should have stationed POLICE around the place and once money handed-over every one get arrested.

That is what a dummy POLICEMAN would do, if he is truly HONEST!

Looking at above, IBORI has no case to answer. Uba should provide answers.

Too Many Questions:

1. What was $15million doing in Andy Uba's house?

2. Same Uba was caught in USA laundering money for OBJ using Nigeria Presidential Jet.

3. Ribadu knew money was waiting for him as he did not show any suprise.

4. Since Ribadu and Uba are OBJ boys, it makes sense that they were trying to frame him.

5. The only person that can avoid to 'forget' $15million(N2billion) in Nigeria has to be 'OBJ and his cohort.

If above is all Ribadu had against IBORI, no wonder he failed to nail him!

I dont like Ibori or Ribadu but I open my eyes and be objective about issues.

+5. You couldn't have said this any better. Thank you.

Erm erm, don't want to burst your bubble , for I am NOT supporting anyone. My stand is this: Whoever is guilty should face the music and NOT jump into conclusion because Ribadu said this or that. Nonsense if you ask me.

mukina2:
i can only see your bottles

post berra pishure jo

you see am too?

aisha2:
Some peeps never sieze to amaze me. SO Ribadau will carry $15million and put it somewhere he can never get back just so he can frame Ibori, do you know how much that is? Abeg, enough of the conspiracy theory, face facts.

Where is the fact?! A simple question you have all failed to answer.
All you have are just words from Waziri and Ribadu. How is that a proof in any court? 

jay bee:
Below is the quote from Ribadu during one of his numerous interview on the bribe saga. all they need to get a conviction if it ever goes to court is for the people present to confirm that they were present and saw ibori give Ribadu the money in question.
I know lying under oath might be a norm in naija so rellying on andy uba as a government's prosecution witness might be a tall order but surely they mus have been other people present at the handover.
I also remembered him saying he couldn't arrest him right after the handover because of the immunity besotted on him by the Constitution.

"On the day that James said that he was going to give me money, I told my colleagues and we went to Andy Uba’s house, James (Ibori)was there and his servant or driver brought out the money from the house, in two (2) massive sacks containing US$100 dollar bills. My staff took possession of the money, I told my staff to take the money to the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) where it was counted and lodged as an exhibit.”[/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000]

Going by the above, can we conclusively say that this is a straight forward case?
It beats me to think that some people do think that Ribadu is a saint.
Ribadu will have to prove that the money came from Ibori. But wait, $15M? where the heck did he get that from?

Another classico?