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Alfa Seltzer: What manmustwac understands and what afflicted Jesoul didn't grasp was that you just don't ban people without justification. You don't ban people that did not break any rules. Jesoul and maclatunji would just say "your post is offensive" and ban you. An atheists bans you when you break rules. So unless you specify exactly which rule my post for prayer request contravened, you have no basis to aks for my ban and you would be the one breaking not one but two rules: Don't wish harm to any nl member and don't advocate violent actions against any person.

Still the attention seeker, this one. Your cross waits for you. Don't let it get heavier.

In my short time here, I have noticed most of what the OP has noted. Nothing more needs to be added, but I would like to make a slight correction.
The notion that you can make believers out of unbelievers on here is false. The so called atheists are not seekers but rather detractors. It would be foolhardy for anyone to waste a minute, or even a second, trying to convince them.
My advise is that Christians inspire to create threads that unite the body of Christ rather than divide it. Even the disciples surely quibbled a few times but this was all done in love. We should not seek to destroy but rather build. Granted, we're all humans. That should remind us all we are susceptible to mistakes. Let's live as one body.
God bless you all.

striktlymi: Yeah, good one from manmustwack but I would have preferred a better reason though.

What better reason do you seek, brother? The thread clearly offended his atheist beliefs.

A rose, by any other name, would still smell as sweet.

Emusan: I mean when the spirit of God come upon you.

The Spirit of God is upon all his children.

Alfa Seltzer: Now, now, there's no reason to be insultive.

Firstly your moniker sounds like one who like to engage in humiliating practices by another women called Grace. Then you openly state that you're missing the touch of another female dominatrix here. So I just put 2 & 2 together and asked a simple question: are you a lesbian? There's nothing wrong with being a lesbian. Even a sadomasochistic one. Accept who you are. Your subconscious already did.

Alfa Seltzer: Carpenter is offensive. The correct term is "woodwork technician".

Wetin person no go read for NL? Interesting place.

Somethingelse: There is nothing like speaking in tough now because Jesus Christ came and died for us so three is no tongs only exercise faith in Christ ransom sacrifice

Speaking in tongues is biblical. But people, thoug sincere in their purpose, have mistaken this for speaking gibberish. Like 1 Corinthians clearly states, every language has a meaning, there should be an interpreter for it to edify the church. If it doesn't edify the church but the person's 'spirito level' to use my Scripture Union lingua, then it can as well be chucked out as gibberish.

kimco: What in God's name.....so it is required by ''faith'' to ''blindly'' follow? Really? Explain further please, i'm intrigued

Not to blindly follow. You get me wrong..

Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.


Our assurance comes from the Word of God. The Holy Spirit helps us to understand the Word as we make efforts to study it.

2 Corinthians 4:16-18 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.

With great knowledge comes a greater responsiblity: to hold on to that which is true and to ensure you guard and keep it with all your might.

We have no excuse as Christians; the author and finisher of our faith left the Holy Spirit(not prophets or Men of God) to guide us. By studying the Bible in the companionship of this great Helper, a Christian should be able to tell that which does not reflect Christ. His grace is there for us. I believe we are in an era where there's a separation of those who have heard the Master's call from those who KNOW the Master. Choose your side and choose wisely. Jesus did not die that we may have access to him through so called spiritual fathers; he died that we will have direct access to God.

Good morning everyone,

My brother, hisblud, I mean no disrespect but I think you may have taken a hasty and superficial reading of 1 Corinthians 14. Here's the chapter in full and please take note of the verses in bold.

1. Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.
2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.
3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.
4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.
5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?
7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes?
8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?
9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.
10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me.
12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say.
14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.
16 Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying?
17 You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.
19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

hisblud: am glad to know that on this mystery of the virgin birth and the concept of the trinity, we are on the same page.

Same here Bro. If we could know everything, of what use would be faith?

hisblud: well this is what paul was emphasising in 1 cor 14 you would notice paul was admonishing the church that tho he could speak in tongues more than all of them put together, yet in church, he would encourage 5 words of human understanding be spoken in the church than 10000 words in tongues.

I concur. As I noted earlier, our God is not a God of confusion.

hisblud: This is the abuse by the corinthians. Thus i rather speak thousand of words in tongue in my privacy and out of the spiritual buildup, been sensitive to the Spirit, i outer few words to the blessing of the hearers in church.

Well, may God continue to guide us. God deals with us in His own way and what might be useful to one may not be to the other.

BUT as to the topic of SALVATION, speaking in tongues is not necessary for salvation, neither does it mark one as a true Christian. If you have any verses to the contrary, feel free to publish them. God bless you, Brother. May he continue to humble us that we may be willing to learn at his feet.

ooman: But because we have no observatory answers presently, I think that the logical position of the...

And why life only occur where it can be supported, even on earth. Evolution's position of mutations and adaptation explains those two better.

Again, if the universe was made to support life, then the universe is supposed to be teeming with life. But out there simply means death to any life unprotected. This could only mean the universe was not designed to support life, but life formed when and where it could.

Again, if life was designed by an intelligent designer, why isn't life perfect at its fundamental level of DNA, why mutations in babies? If life was designed, why mutations at all? Things that are designed need not mutate at all because they were made for a specific purpose. The presence of mutation is enough proof against design and the presence or existence of a designer.

This is why atheism and evolution are better explanations to all we see.

Anything but God. The desperation to convince one self one has no creator or purpose can drive one to madness. No wonder, the Bible states it blatantly ' a fool says there's no God'

hisblud: when angels spoke to men, they use words of men. Do you think words of men is spoken among angels? sorry i cant leave what was started on the day of pentecost by Christ, as a prelude to greater things in Him, just becos you are not able to comprehend wit your understanding. Do you know why paul made this statement of prayer? lets not becos of our inability to comprehend mysteries, throw it away, rather pray that let the Spirit of Truth guide us.

I noticed that you didn't answer my question, maybe I should make it more direct. Since you claim that speaking in tongues is a mystery that cannot be understood, how would Christians be able to spot when it's being abused?

There are mysteries we would never understand: the virgin Birth, the trinity; but our Father is not one to cause confusion. He wouldn't give us gifts that would only serve to befuddle and confuse us; that's the work of the devil.

You weep for lack of understanding. I'll continue to put Jesus above everything. He's all that matters. Nothing can separate us from the love of God.

hisblud: lets start from here, can you understand angel tongues?

Ae there any instacnes in the Bible where angels spoke and men could not understand?
I'm sorry to say this, but I strongly think you're misguided. If the Bible does not support your stance, you better drop whatever doctrine it may be and move on in Christ.

hisblud: Thanks for your best, apart from the video, i showed you bible verse didnt i? And that tongues are still valid... tho some might have abused it but nevertheless they are still valid.

Is it possible to tell when speaking in tongues has been abused? How can one know one that's genuine? Please post Bible verses to support your stance.

turnstoner: But Christians cannot ignore Atheists

Oh we can, my dear. Christ didn't spend his time trying to convince atheists. He couldn't stand such foolishness.
Romans 1
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

I hope these verses sink in.

turnstoner: Atheism is the default (NATURAL) mind set while christianity or religion is a contraption of premediaval man overwhelmed by ''mystifying'' natural phenomena that they could not explain.

A fallacy, because if atheism were the default mindset, there would be no religion.

turnstoner: Science and other modes of enlightenment are demystifying the world's superstitious beliefs and one day pastors will only be good as masters of ceremonies for wedding and naming ceremonies

The Bible acknowledges man's fallibility, that's why Paul cautions Christians to

Hebrews 12
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

turnstoner: Besides, am convinced that most people don't go to church to worship God anymore.
They go to find boyfriends, girlfriends, wife, husband or to show off their latest jeeps, dress, fashion and whatever

It might come as a shock to you, the Bible agrees with you here.

I hope to have a mature discussion on CIRCUMCISION and what it means to the Christian. I'll be the first to admit I'm not knowledgeable on the medical effects/harm it may cause to the child, but do intend to find out if it holds any meaning to us as Christians. ATHEISTS/SATANISTS/AGNOSTICS WHO MAY BE INTERESTED ARE FREE TO INPUT AS LONG AS THEY RESPECT OUR BELIEFS.

I'm of the opinion that the verses below are of utmost importance to this discussion.

Galatians 5
1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.
3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

I hope to share my views on the topic as the thread progresses...

Good AM.

The atheists are not worth our time. Christians should move on and learn to ignore them. There's nothing to be gained from arguing with fools.

Logicboy03: 1) It is impossible to argue that homosexuality is wrong based on logical arguments only.

2) Homosexuality is only clearly condemned in the Old Testament. Still waiting for you to quote the new testament to prove me wrong

3. If you had any formal lessons on the scripture, you would have learnt that some verses on homosexuality in the new testament are in dispute over varying translations

1. A key should fit into a hole. A logical argument, I suppose.

2. I doubt you have ever read a Bible. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,

3. And your point?

striktlymi: Great post!!!

Thanks.

He says the researchers were biased Christians. The article makes no mention of the researcher's religious beliefs. I think the other excuse on this thread is more plausible -- that the researchers missed didn't include his type.

It saddens me. How can an athiest be moderator of a religious section and stop it from making frontpage because it offends him?
To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.

Keep up the good work. I'm enjoying the thread so far.

mcfynest: depending on what you mean by speaking in tongues.

I only hope he isn't referring to the incoherent babble that's the trademark of the penterascal churches that fill the streets of Nigeria.

Zatwo: I want to know if speaking in tongues is compulsory for Christians. Whats d benefit? and wat wuld happen if a christian chooses not to

Good day Brother, speaking in tongues is not compulsory for Christians. Remember my advice to you earlier. Do not get involved in arguments that do not add to your salvation.

Speaking in tongues, prophecy etc are all gifts that the Lord willingly chooses to give to each one according to His purpose not ours. Remember to focus on the most important..

1 Corinthians 12
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.And yet I will show you the most excellent way.

The next chapter is a lesson for all of us: Learn to love for that's all you need to be Christian.

God's grace be with you.

striktlymi: Good show!

The ish with posting online is that we can't tell what one has in mind...someone's post can be misunderstood without proper explanation but really, when one asks if a human is behind a moniker, it could, would and should be interpreted as being rude...

Manmustwack is an Atheist and would be in the best position to tell what kind of threads are deemed offensive to them...As I don't expect manmustwack to know the kind of threads (for the most part) that would be offensive to Christians, so too do I not pretend to know the kind of threads that would be offensive to Atheists.

We need to cut him some slack here and understand his viewpoint. If he says a thread is offensive to him as an Atheist then we should respect his views...though I don't see anything wrong with the thread but hey, I am not an Atheist and would not understand.

No problems, brother. Thank you very much.

Mr Troll: damn man! I'm done with your silly generalizations. Who told you I'm an atheist? Have you seen me mention it anywhere in this forum

I don't respond kindly to bullshit so don't expect any polite words from me if you keep spewing trash around.


...And Your analogy sef is silly. Go away man, don't bother replying me.

Are you a sub-moderator?

striktlymi: @FearGodAndLive

But you threw the first stone!

Your comment to manmustwack was uncalled for, VERY RUDE and unChristlike...

I believe you owe manmustwack an apology if indeed you have a God who teach you not to be rude!

I wasn't rude. The question was to remind him he's human just like the rest of us. He should not let the moderator post get to his head. I think it's unfair that my thread won't make front page because it's offensive to the moderator who happens to be atheist. Other atheists commented on that thread.
Apologies to manmustwac.

Mr Troll: your thread? Which tread?
Actually I don't mind anybody moderating any section as far as they do it well, whether atheists or muslim or christian. My problem is your asinine comment asking him if he was human and why should he as an atheist moderate a religious section. Imagine the nonsense! Maybe you should start by asking why an atheist should create a religious section in his site.

this your statement perfectly indicts you. Mor.on I hope you know that there is also a christian MOD here?

That you are an atheist does not mean you should be uncouth. Issues can be resolved without insults, of course there's no God to teach you that.
The owner of this forum is a business man. I'm sure he puts his business first before his religious beliefs as I have seen church adverts on this website. Maybe he should make an engineer moderator of the health section too.

Thank God for you. The Bible says that in the last days he will pour out his Spirit on all men. You're a babe in Christ and you must begin to seek solid food which is the Word of God. Study and meditate upon it, do not chase after shadows(doctrines and teachings that only yield confusion) but chase that which is real. May God, through his Holy Spirit lead and guide you right. amen bro. It is well with you

Mr Troll: Seun. Who's an atheist but made a religion section. Go figure, mor.on.

This is just sad, did my thread hurt you that much? Explain to me please cos I'm sure if this forum was owned by a Christian, and there was an atheist section moderated by a Christian, you wouldn't mind. Only morons would see something wrong with that

I only hope your response was a poor attempt at trolling.