davidnazee:


Are u saying Ogisos are not real but fairytales?

Don't mind that guy.

gregyboy:



Guy stop priding with ignorance....

I wont go extra miles to dig up materials to disprove you dont worth it,

You dont worth it, not at a particular time i am busy....

Your laziness stings i want to belive you're yoruba trying to use an edo identity against me on a norms an edo man wont be this persistence you remain a suspect....


Anyway the benins in 1600 told europeans

Ogiso ruled in the time of "no sun or moon", i hope you regard this as a fairycious statement

If you need me to dig you this particular quote with refrence, i will charge you 3k for it, for your laziness and blockheadness


Are you aware as far back as 1400Ad europeans visited the benin palace to take document about their history...
They didnt just visit benin they actually visited the palace and had a chat with the benin royals and even spoke bini


The origin of ogba river were a human turned into a river is a myth,

Are you aware benin origin of creation...

How osanobua children descend fron the sky to earth only that in the myth they didnt specify their neans of transportation unlike the yorubas who specified theirs as chain climbers, probably osanobua children jumped from heaven to earth

Again the Portuguese relationship with binis ended very shortly it lasted 200yrs,you mentioning Portuguese instead of europeans tells how little you know in benin history


My guy go sitdown

You dont know benin history, you dont know yoruba history but attacked me proactively with an empty coconut head

If you pick a book and research bini and yoruba history thoroughly will you die.......


You know nothing i can detect is the history you read on net, that you came here to argue on

Nairaland is a place to meet people who are smarter and knowledgeable than you, you can only learn new thing if you drop what you already know

If you can't make reasonable points without dropping unnecessary childish abuses then I'm sorry, you can't hear from me again. I don't have time to waste. I don't know you and you don't know who I'm. No wonder they say Nairaland is no longer home to intellectuals but a den for unstable minds. If you like respond to this post or not, but you will never get a reply from me again. It's a total waste of time. Cheers!

Note: Every tribe has a creation story which is usually a myth. You can't compare that to Oduduwa folklore that was meant to have taken place just few centuries ago

temitope27:
oduduwa was never a king in Benin his son oranmigan was so how can they change his name

The Benins didn't change his name to Oduduwa. The people in ile-ife corrupted his name from Izoduwa to Oduduwa and that was his title since then. As God will have it even though his name was corrupted to Oduduwa, it still has a strong meaning in Benin language but it doesn't have any meaning in yoruba language unless the fabricators start with their fabrications

temitope27:
thank you sir someone who never even become a king how can they change his name

LOL... who was never a king?

gregyboy:



What do you know about yoruba history,

And what do you know about benin history


If i am arguing on Oduduwa myth i will still be flogging yorubas because i know the real truth
Behind the myth which youre scared to look into yourself


Lol... Ooh because oba says there is Oduduwa history in benin so you believe it can never be false because he is oba of benin

Do you even wonder why the Oduduwa myth always doesn't match....


If you would drop your pride and decide to read benin history thoroughly without allowing people tell you what to believe in
. You wont be talking trash

Better still visit my profile and read.....

Remember anyone even your king would fool you if need be


If you not scared of the truth which youre start reading from my profile threads from there you can start your personal thread

Thats how normal people begin, when you see a new knowledge you dont fight it verbally but
Ideas

You claim the Ogisos are a myth as well. I have nothing to discuss with you because you clearly don't know your roots. I will give you an assignment, feel free to submit it anytime. Go and find out the difference between folklore/fairytale and oral history.

The fact that the Portuguese where not around during the ogiso era does not mean they didn't exist. Our forefathers past on ancient history using our bronze casting and oral history. We are far different from the yoruba tribe because they built their history on folklore/fairytales.
In Benin history, you will never hear of stories of someone descending from the sky with chains or certain people turning into rivers or lakes. Our history is far more factual and authentic. You better find pride in our history and defend it instead of cutting corners by saying certain ancestors didn't exist.

TAO11:
An irredeemably dull slave of the Benin kings have submitted his latest pleadings as expected of him.

(1) EUrOpEaNs writing from Benin (NOT from Yoruba land) already documented the Yoruba title by which your oba was praised.

Yes I understand that knowing this hurt you, but it is what it is. See R. E. Dennett (1906).

(2) Yes, you are not expected to have clue. You are a Bini dullard, remember.

However, ethnographic evidence documented by the EUrOpEaN observer (Michael Crowder, 1978) noted that at certain points during the traditional coronation rites, the incoming Benin king has Yoruba tribal mark drawn with chalk on his cheek.

But somehow, an irredeemably dumb slave of Benin kings (i.e. @Fezz) needs to see a permanent impressions formed by CHALK on his masters’ cheeks.

Is God not wonderful?

(3) Oh I saw where you wrote Oba N’Edo. LMAO! I guess you’re embarrassed by the actual title which is Omon’oba N’Edo. Lol.

I love it when I force Bini liars to tell more lies in an attempt to cover up their previous lies.

1978 article you said .. that sums it up mate. The revitionists are at work. They had to wait that long to put it in record that chalk was used to draw yoruba tribal marks on the Obas face. Such senseless talk. We have so many bronze heads of the obas, show me one where yoruba tribal mark is present. You guys employed whites and the British to distort Benin history in the 1970's and you think we will fall for it. Why weren't such articles about tribal marks recorded pre colonial era. Nonsense!

I'm still waiting for you to tell me Oduduwas title. The Benin chiefs took Oduduwa as his title and that is why he's still recognised as Oduduwa till today. We all know his real name was Ekalederan. In Benin Kingdom once you become a king, you are addressed using your kingship name while your real name is discarded.

That is the mistake so many people make. This is his real title "Omon’oba N’Edo".. Oba is just the short form of his title and that's why the yorubas think it's a yorubas word whereas it's purely a Benin title.

gregyboy:



Like Oduduwa even existed TAO11 go finsh yiu nor b u won argue myth

Wait until she used egharevba narrative to finsh you

It is obvious your are running away from a hitted argument with the Yoruba liars and that's why you have chosen the easy way out to claim Oduduwa does not exist. Shame!!

TAO11:
Horse’s mouth?

When a liar lies and claims it is the truth, we must believe him because he is a hOrSe, right?

First of all, which “history” were you talking about when you said Ajaka is younger than Eweka as HiStOrY cLeArLy dEpIcTs?? Hehe

In what kind of reasoning does an individual take on a praise-title because of his half-brother’s mother.

Secondly, Oranmiyan is Oyo’s first king. Ajaka is NOT Oyo’s first king. Ajaka does NOT even come in in any way, shape, or form.

Moreover, Eweka-1 is the classically recognized first Oba of Benin before the official standardization of the year 2016 by Ewuare-2.

Erediauwa was the 38th Benin oba, but his immediate successor (Ewuare-2) names himself as the 40th Benin oba. You get the gist?

Lol. Yorubas didn’t give Benin kings any appellation. The Yoruba appellation of the Benin kings were collected by Europeans writing from Benin. So, try another excuse. [ careless laughter].

You have no clue. Of course you should have no clue. You’re just an extra Benin layman.

Your own people informed Europeans that the tribal marks drawn on your obas face during coronation is Yoruba tribal marks.

I look forward to reading another excuse and pleading from you. Taink you.

You are just blabbing without making any sense. You think writing long sermons will cover your emptiness. I asked a simple question and you are giving me long epistles. What is the name of the title given to Oduduwa during his reign?..

It is the yorubas that gave oba N'edo the appellations, stop lying.

Regarding the tribal mark, I have no clue what you are talking about. You are just trying to make a fuse out of nothing. Name the obas that have Yoruba tribal marks and let's see pics if possible, or did you see Yoruba tribal marks on Oba N'edo Ewuare ii face ?

I'm not here to argue. I just make my points and move on. I don't have time for unecessary jargons.

gregyboy:


. You won kill the fezz guy....

He doesn't even know anything beyond the internet myth Mtcheew

Dude stop whinning like a kid. It doesn't make you look good in public space. If you don't have anything sensible to offer just stay quiet by the corner and stop ranting. Samuk will never do what you are doing and that is why I said he has more wisdom than you, and yet you keep on comparing yourself to him. Take life easy okay. Cheers!

TAO11:
Sharrap!

The fraudulent 1970 story said Oduduwa is a corrupt alteration of iZoDuWa (or iDoDuWa or ImAdOdUwA).

The fraudulent story didn’t call Oduduwa a title. A corrupt alteration is what it was called by your fraud of a story.

Why would your festival be named after a Yoruba corrupt alteration when the so-called correct names (iZodUwa, iDoDuwA, iMaDoDuWa, and eKaLaDeRhAn) are available??

Let’s hear from you. I love it when Bini liars tell more lies in an attempt to cover up their prior lies.

What was Oduduwas title when he was king of ile-ife ? Because it was not Ooni.

TAO11:
Yes, there are no arguments about the fact that Ewuare-2 and his father told such great LIES. I didn’t dispute that. Everyone knows those two guys to be great fraud. I pity Ewuare-2 for inheriting his dad’s iZoDuWa fraud.

You should have realized that I know that when I wrote the following:

“Which Oba of Benin said Oduduwa is Ekaladerhan?? cheesy

Is it the Benin obas pre-1970, or the two Benin clown-obas post-1970s?? Which ones?? LMAO!”

(1) You Binis and falsehood/confusion are like five & six.
First of all, Eweka-1 is the first king of Benin (if you do not believe me, ask Erediauwa and his predecessors).

On the other hand, Oranmiyan (his father) is the first king of Oyo.

So, riddle me how they (Oranmiyan and Eweka-1) are brothers let alone HaLf brothers.

I like it when I force you Binis to tell more lies to cover up your prior lies out of embarrassment.

(2) Oh wait a second!
So you were actually saying your kings have Yoruba praise titles because of someone else from an entirely different mother. What’s going on hia LMAO!

Oh wait, child from another woman has By the way, how come your kings have As at 1906, your obas had Yoruba praise-titles such as: Adimula, Õṣa-Ikeji, etc.,

Let me ask you another question because I enjoy it when I force Bini liars to the their job — i.e. to lie:

Do the drawing of Yoruba tribal marks on your kings’ cheeks also result from the strong influence of that same unrelated woman??

Wonders shall never end! [ careless laughter]

You heard it from the horses mouth when he said Oranmiyan was the first Oba N'edo of Benin Kingdom. I didn't make up such stories over night. The present oba n'edo mentioned it in his inauguration speech.

Ajaka is oba Eweka's (younger) half brother as history clearly depicts. He was the one I was referring to and not Oranmiyan .

You should know this by now, any tribe can give appellation to any king as long as the king is relevant to that tribe. If the yorubas decide to give appellation to the oba N'edo of Benin it's because the respect him as a true king and nothing more. The oba of Benin has never forced anyone to give him appellations, so you should probably go and ask your kins men why they created such appellations for the oba of Benin. Probably because they were once his subordinates and therefore they gave him reverence.

As for the tribal marks, I have no clue which tribal marks belonged to whom in pre colonial era. Some tribal marks do have similarities so I don't know how relevant this is.

fregeneh:


he became king in ife and automatically his title turn to oduduwa in benin right ?

He was known by the title he had in ile-ife. It's so simple to understand. Don't make a big deal out of this.
The Benin chiefs understood his decision on why he stayed back to rule in ile-ife because he was exiled from Igodomigodo. So they accepted his decision and his Oduduwa title.

fregeneh:


benin lie to them self's yet still believed the same lies to be true, his title name changed once he become king king of where king of benin right ? so pathetic I wonder how someone you never knew existed before his grandson came to colonies you title change when he became king

King of ife .. lol, the Benin chiefs always knew he existed and that's why a search party was dispatched to get him back. They wanted Oduduwa to come back but he refused due to old age and that's when they accepted his son to take his place. .

Correction: no colonisation took place, Igodomigodo was far older and more civilised than ile-ife because the ogisos ruled Igodomigodo for close to 900 years before oranmiyan came to rule. During that period, ile-ife lived as republicans. Oduduwa/Ekalederam was their first centralised king. Oba means "celestial" shinning light in Benin. The full title is Oba n'edo. The Benins introduced the new title to Eweka, it was not oranmiyan that brought the title. Kindly note this point.
The Benins decided it was time for expansion and no more communal rule that the ogisos offered and that's why a new title was created.

TAO11:
Which Oba of Benin said Oduduwa is Ekaladerhan??

Is it the Benin obas pre-1970, or the two Benin clown-obas post-1970s?? Which ones?? LMAO!

You really have to slow down on whatever you’ve been smoking. Stop clowning today.

As at 1906, your obas had Yoruba praise-titles such as: Adimula, Õṣa-Ikeji, etc.,

An incoming Benin oba must have Yoruba tribal marks drawn with chalk on his cheeks at some point during his tradition coronation rite.

And there are much other such piece of ethnographic evidence as well as similar confessions. But I want you to make use of your brain for once and process those two for now.

Oh wait a second!

Didn’t the Ooni rush to the stage, snatched the mic from him, disrupted the event, and yelled at the top of his voice to everyone in attendance that ‘Ewuare2 is a bloody liar’?? /s LMAO!

Anyways, since that was your expectation (being who you actually are — a lunatic), please be informed that normal/sane people don’t do that.

However, the same Ewuare-2 visited the Ife palace for the regular post-ascension homage rites (just like his predecessors); he however dared not mention the Izoduwa/Ekalderhan fiction in front of the Ooni at the Ooni’s palace.

He skipped and avoided it completely when he got to that point during his narration. You may like to see the video and watch how skillfully your oba fled from the izoduwa/Ekaladerhan fiction when he got to that point at the Ooni’s palace.

Go and watch the full clip of oba Ewuare 11 inauguration speech, he clearly stated it that Ekalederan was known as Oduduwa as the exiled prince who left Benin and migrated to ile-Ife. He clearly stated it. His father when he was still alive said the same thing as well. There's no arguments about that.

The only reason why the Oba of Benin will have Yoruba appellation is because his half brother "alafin" of oyo might have given it to him.

fregeneh:



if truly ekalederan is the same person as you omo oba claim why then him turn around to celebrate oduduwa that is known all over the world belonged to Yoruba's, why not him (omo oba) celebrate his ekala eran in festival peace instead of oduduwa ?

GUILTY CONSCIENCE I GUESS

Oduduwa is the title name of Ekalederan. In Benin a king is always known by his title name once he becomes king. Why don't you call Oba Ewuare by his real name, I'm sure you don't even know his real name. Ekalederan's name changed to Oduduwa once he became king and that is why he's known as Oduduwa till today and he's celebrated with that name.
Oduduwa has no meaning in Yoruba unless you disect his name into pieces like you guys always do, but Oduduwa is a pure Benin name, we don't need to break it down into pieces or add anything to his name before it has a meaning.

fregeneh:


your omo oba don comot shame for face.

he has finally accepted his progenitor to be oduduwa from ile ife, he (omo oba) is now ready to celebrate his fore father (oduduwa) publicly ones and for all

The oba of Benin has always claimed that Oduduwa is the same person as Ekalederan whoms father was ogiso owodo, so I don't know what you are talking about. You better go and listen properly to the full clip of his inauguration speech. The truth you seek is right there in the speech he made. The ooni of ife was seated right at the front roll.

gregyboy:




A clown pretending to be edo



And even if you're which i am doubting

Do you know benin history more than samuk, truthshots and many others who have debated benin history constantly on Nairaland


You're a shame if you're indeed benin, you need to be outcasteded from bini if indeed you're , you insult the very intellectual existence our ancestors built since you failed to use your brain...

A sane bini man would quietly go and do personal research since a fellow tribal man is giving a varient history, but no you want to be given the privilege to dwell on the political myth formed after 1914 for tribal trolling inorder to massage your tribal ego

if we had yours in numbers during the ancient times benin wouldn't be known because you cant think beyond the box and you're afraid to learn and relearn


Start using brain....

Can you stage me on benin history openly you think history is just knowing folk tales told by your fathers alone, thats where history ends, history entails research bro....

You're disgrace you better be from the other tribe than be a benin man, benin men are smart and not dummies

Just hear yourself speak, you sound soo dumb. I share the same views as the oba of Benin whom believes that Oduduwa/Ekalederan is the son of ogiso owodo, so are you saying the oba of Benin is an outcast as well. You better think very properly before you utter rubbish from your mouth to avoid the wrath of the ancestors. Speaking ill of the elders of the land and the oba of Benin shows you have no respect for your elders. Do you know the Benin history more than the oba of Benin and other high chiefs of the royal house. I shouldn't even respond to you because you are just a waste of time. Don't you ever compare yourself to samuk because he is not in your league. He argues with so much wisdom unlike you. Don't tag me ever again because you are not relevant in my discussions.

gregyboy:



See this one that gets frustrated when the igbos in south south claim edo origin


Even in imo they claim edo, onitisha people claim edo

The ediod sub group is large

Our oba is just catching cruise with Oduduwa myth and nothing more


Before you start wailing on edo and yoruba concerns

Start worrying for the igbos who are constantly attaching themselves to benin and constantly denying their igbo root


Confused mofo

I keep on saying it over and over again that you are not a smart guy. The sooner you realise that oduduwa is real the better for you. Observers don't take your posts serious anymore because your arguments are annoying. It's better for you to support the claim that oduduwa's ancestors are originally from igodomigodo which is the actual truth than for you to say he doesn't exist at all. Your excuse is sooo lame. It's just your way of chicken out from hot debates. You better go and study your roots properly "i.e if you are truly a Benin descendant" and stop making a laughing stock of yourself on this blog. Cheers!

TAO12:
The name ‘Ereko’ still exists till date in Lagos — on the island particularly.

We live in the internet age. Stop embarrassing your people publicly on Nairaland. Check it out yourself.

Also, please inscribe “Benin” to that picture for me and let it appear as the original. Since anyone can do it. I’d be waiting. Lol.

TRASH pulled out from your anus as usual.

Aworis are the founders of Lagos. Lagos account says this. Even the fraudulent Benin account admits this. I’m not sure what your version is. Your anus’s version I guess.

Well, if wishes were horses Binis would ride.

Lagos island (NOT even Lagos itself) was established by the owners — Awori-Yoruba.

And it was also named as Eko by the Yorubas.

I have given you references for each of these two lines of statement.

And the references I gave are decades/century earlier than the latter-day Benin version which you’ve been fed from childhood.

I would have expected any free-born who is not a slave to bury his head in those materials and learn rather than argue blindly like a typical slave of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin.

You lay out your points like a small kid whom is full of hate and despair. I already know your true motive, you are not hear to seek truth and share knowledge, you were sent here to debunk and devalue the Benin history. I'm here for another reason, which is to share knowledge and to learn. We are obviously not on the same page so don't expect me to reply any of your messages henceforth because it is obviously a waste of time and energy. Ciao!

Olu317:
You sure do have a good lead in your storyline but I have questions you need give answer to, such as:

What did year Ogiso Owodo died ?

What year did Ekeladeran found Ughoton ?

Can you mention Ekeladeran's descendants in Ughoton ?

Can you mention how many children did Ekelaradan had in Igala ?

Can you mention how many children did Ekelaradan had in Ileife ?

I can't be too precise about the dates you are requesting for. It is said that Oranmiyan stayed in igodomigo around 1170 AD because archaeological work was done on his palace that was built in Uzama quarters in Usen and his palace still exists on that site till today.

Ekalederan had no descendants in Ughoton, he was still quite young when he left Ughoton. According to records, all that is mentioned is that he had followers who accompanied him from igalla land to ile-ife. He had a wife in igalla. According to records he had only one child called okanbi and i cant say if akanbi was born in igalla land. I'm sure you are aware of all the names of his grand children.

TAO12:
(1) And there is finally an appollo epidemic in Benin because there is no “oko” anywhere in my comment. You are clearly under pressure to reply at all cost whether it makes sense or not.

(2) The name “Ereko” is starring hard at you as used for Lagos in that picture, yet you chose insanity because you mean to hide tears.

(3) Yes “Eko” entered into Benin lexicon only after you encountered the word in Lagos in the 1500s/1600s.

I find your sarcastic remarks as very dry and boring so forgive me if I always skip your long epistles.

So because Ereko was written on that picture you want me to believe that it was not recently inscribed on the picture. Anyone can caption any name on any picture in the 21st century, so please try harder.

I hope you know that the earliest founders of Eko are known as the Aonins (meaning descendants of ini benin) which are a group of Benin soldiers who decided to stay back and settle on that land because they couldn't accomplish the task assigned to them by the oba of Benin. This was far before the Benin Kingdom established the land and named it Eko. If you want me to school you more on this kindly ask.

TAO12:
I referenced you the work right beside the material. You need to make the habit of reading what you wish to reply to before typing replies.

And the work is decades earlier than Egharevba’s work which came to feed you all with a contrary information.

No, I didn’t merely say it. I referenced the work which said it. Read what you want to reply to before replying. It makes you appear less dumb.

And the work is more than a 100 years earlier than Egharevba’s work which came to feed you all with a contrary information.

Perhaps! Proof if you want to press on this.

Oh really?? The word “Yoruba” began in the 19th century?? Hmm! Please tell me more. Lol.

No the word “Yoruba” didn’t begin in the 19th century. There is a whole lot of overhaul I need to make you go through.

I have debunked the false idea that the word “Yoruba” began in the 19th century with classical manuscripts (from centuries earlier) which shows that the word “Yoruba” has been in existence (for our ethnic group) since the pre-1600s. Refer to page xx of this thread.

However, your argument here is actually meaningless to begin with (even if I didn’t debunk it as I just did).

The people called Yoruba exist prior to any name they call themselves. [Wrap your head around that before proceeding].

Hence they came up with their local name for Lagos island before any foreign group immigrated to the island.

Yes, and what if I’m a Russian?

Interesting!
So, D. M. Bondarenko (the most prolific historian of precolonial Benin in the world today) is about to have his scholarship revoked from him by a certain random inconsequential faceless Nairalanders called @Fezz.

Why? Because Bondarenko is not a slave of the Oba of Benin like him. Wonderful!

‘Eko’ (a contraction of ‘Ereko’ a name used till date on the island) is a district used mainly for agriculture and owned by neighboring town or city. In short — it means an agro-colony.

The attached old annotated photograph of Lagos shown below testifies to this name — and it is still in use till date.

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No there is documentation of this account in the pReCoLoNiaL documentation of this indigenous Ife account. And why should there be by the way? I’m all ears.

Anyways to educate you some more, the vast majority of the traditional conservatives of this period were not literate, while the literate ones were not traditionalist conservative.

All effort of the religious literate were directed towards following the Oduduwa narrative which originated from Hausaland. Sultan Bello (in 1812) reasoned apparently that Oduduwa’s descendants are so great that he himself could not possibly have had his roots from the blacks of the West African forest.

But such narrative is originally alien to the Yorubas, and the recourse was made to documenting the traditional narrative into writing since the mid/late 1900s.

Oh really? Pa Idu didn’t migrate from anywhere to Edo State because he is the first indigene. Interesting!

Wait! He dropped from the sky to become the first indigene, or he grew out from the ground to be the first indigene? Which do you go with?

Whichever version you choose (sky descent or growth from the ground), “sHow mE aNy pRe-CoLoNiAl dOcUmEnT tHat” supports your choice.

Oko is farm land in yoruba and not Eko. Eko is am indigenous Benin name and we don't need to break it down just as you did for Ereko blah blah.. Anytime a Yoruba man starts breaking down words to fit into their ideology just know their intent is to fabricate.

TAO12:
Did I say Benin learnt bronze casting from the Yorubas? No I didn’t say that.

It is Benin traditional account that insists that the knowledge and technique of bronze casting was taught to the Binis by the bronze casters from the ancient city of Ife.

It is not my fault that you’re ignorant of your own traditional account.

I think you’re one of those block heads who do not read what they type replies to.

I already told you that Benins didn’t establish any land, neither did they name any land as Eko. Do you have selective seeing disease?

Here is my reply again in case your brain was under lock and keys earlier, or perhaps you have no brain at all.

(1). The idea that Lagos island was established or named (Eko) by Binis is a big fat myth that developed from Benin and was first published by them in the 1950s.

(2). The proof lies in the fact the received published accounts of Lagos history (which existed many decades before the Benin myth) already confirmed that the name Eko [contraction of Ereko] was named by Yorubas. ~ See: D’Avezac (1845: p.26).

(3). Also, Lagos island had long, long been named Eko by Yorubas prior to when any of the foreign elements (viz. Aja, Benin, or Ijaw) immigrated to the area for the first time [to take part in the European coastal trade]. ~ See: Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44).

(4). In the light of the foregoing received accounts, the reality then appears to be that:

The Binis immigrated to Lagos in the mid/late 1500s like other groups. They set up their own camp on the part of the island allocated to them. They then encountered the name Eko as the pre-existing name of the island of which their camp occupies a fraction. The name Eko then slowly flowed overtime into the their lexicon and ultimately acquired the meaning ‘camp’ among them.

This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for ‘camp’ in the Bini language, and those are: ‘Ago’ [and perhaps ‘Oxogbo’].

I have already provided you with the information passed down by the indigenous account of Oduduwa’s historical roots, but you appear too scared to want to hear it.

You can’t on one hand ask me what the tradition says, and another hand get sacred of hearing what it says. You have to make up your mind. The indigenous Yoruba account says:

Oduduwa grew up in the Oke-Ora hilly settlement on the outskirts of the Ife bowl. His youth, since moving down to the Ife bowl, was spent in the Omologun ward of Ife. He thereafter moved from there to set up his base at the Idio ward of Ife acter emerging as the ruler of a unified Ife following some period of great political turmoil in Ife. His personal family at Idio became the royal family from which all the different present-day royal families of Ife have emerged.

Having educated you on that, why do you need him so badly to be one of your ancestors? The received/extant traditions of Benin history disallows that he is from you. Stop trying hard to contradict your own history. No he is not one of your ancestors, he is your ‘conqueror’.

Will you now answer my questions which I have been asking? How long did it take Mr. Idu to treck from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he crash- landed from heaven to Edo state?

And when was Olugbo (in Ilaje) conferred with the honorary title of Professor of Ife history?

Binis are clearly a bunch of dullards who would sing the praises of anyone who massage their tiny ego. You all feel so little no matter how hard you try to veil it.

Now to debunk you properly:
EVEN IF an Australian immigrate from Australia to live in a very remote part of the world — say Congo — among some very remote & isolated natives; it still would NOT take him 16 years to master the natives’s language no matter how hard he is determined to not socialize.

The foregoing illustration is thus an example of making use of ratiocination to corroborate the assertion that the Olugbo (in Ilaje) is terribly wrong in his poorly thought out fabrication of his personal narrative.

Cheers!

Cc: nisai, gomojam

Regarding bronze casting, you should be aware that a lot of Benin historian books where not published because their stories did not conform to the south westerners ideology. Chief Jacob U. Egharevba was the only Benin historian who was ready to compromise with the Yorubas because he needed his book to be published in order to get his PhD degree. That is why he allowed the Yorubas to adjust his initial work to their own ideology. The Yorubas used his work to link the Benins to the Yorubas in post colonial era. Egharevba tried to make up for his initial mistakes by publishing other editions after his first book.

The Yorubas claim that Ighueghae was asked to come to Benin kingdom to teach the Benins the act of bronze casting. The first thing you should ask yourself is does Ighueghae sound like an Ife name? What is the meaning of Ighueghae in Ife?

Let me tell you his true origin and his family tree is well known in Benin which you can't say the same in Ife. If you can then tell me all about his family and ancestral lineage if he was that important to you

Ighueghae was the son of ezohe, a descendant of ighido who was an ogiso during the ogiso odionwere era from Igun. Uptil today Igun street is well recognised by unicef for their tremendous skill in bronze casting. Tell me the location in Ife where bronze casting was practiced because there should be evidence that such a place existed if the Yorubas were so good in bronze casting just as Igun street exists today in Benin.

I'm going on a tour to Ife very soon to discover these things by myself and I suggest you go to Benin to discover true history for yourself as well if you truly seek for the truth. Cheers!

TAO12:
Did I say Benin learnt bronze casting from the Yorubas? No I didn’t say that.

It is Benin traditional account that insists that the knowledge and technique of bronze casting was taught to the Binis by the bronze casters from the ancient city of Ife.

It is not my fault that you’re ignorant of your own traditional account.

I think you’re one of those block heads who do not read what they type replies to.

I already told you that Benins didn’t establish any land, neither did they name any land as Eko. Do you have selective seeing disease?

Here is my reply again in case your brain was under lock and keys earlier, or perhaps you have no brain at all.

(1). The idea that Lagos island was established or named (Eko) by Binis is a big fat myth that developed from Benin and was first published by them in the 1950s.

(2). The proof lies in the fact the received published accounts of Lagos history (which existed many decades before the Benin myth) already confirmed that the name Eko [contraction of Ereko] was named by Yorubas. ~ See: D’Avezac (1845: p.26).

(3). Also, Lagos island had long, long been named Eko by Yorubas prior to when any of the foreign elements (viz. Aja, Benin, or Ijaw) immigrated to the area for the first time [to take part in the European coastal trade]. ~ See: Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44).

(4). In the light of the foregoing received accounts, the reality then appears to be that:

The Binis immigrated to Lagos in the mid/late 1500s like other groups. They set up their own camp on the part of the island allocated to them. They then encountered the name Eko as the pre-existing name of the island of which their camp occupies a fraction. The name Eko then slowly flowed overtime into the their lexicon and ultimately acquired the meaning ‘camp’ among them.

This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for ‘camp’ in the Bini language, and those are: ‘Ago’ [and perhaps ‘Oxogbo’].

I have already provided you with the information passed down by the indigenous account of Oduduwa’s historical roots, but you appear too scared to want to hear it.

You can’t on one hand ask me what the tradition says, and another hand get sacred of hearing what it says. You have to make up your mind. The indigenous Yoruba account says:

Oduduwa grew up in the Oke-Ora hilly settlement on the outskirts of the Ife bowl. His youth, since moving down to the Ife bowl, was spent in the Omologun ward of Ife. He thereafter moved from there to set up his base at the Idio ward of Ife acter emerging as the ruler of a unified Ife following some period of great political turmoil in Ife. His personal family at Idio became the royal family from which all the different present-day royal families of Ife have emerged.

Having educated you on that, why do you need him so badly to be one of your ancestors? The received/extant traditions of Benin history disallows that he is from you. Stop trying hard to contradict your own history. No he is not one of your ancestors, he is your ‘conqueror’.

Will you now answer my questions which I have been asking? How long did it take Mr. Idu to treck from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he crash- landed from heaven to Edo state?

And when was Olugbo (in Ilaje) conferred with the honorary title of Professor of Ife history?

Binis are clearly a bunch of dullards who would sing the praises of anyone who massage their tiny ego. You all feel so little no matter how hard you try to veil it.

Now to debunk you properly:
EVEN IF an Australian immigrate from Australia to live in a very remote part of the world — say Congo — among some very remote & isolated natives; it still would NOT take him 16 years to master the natives’s language no matter how hard he is determined to not socialize.

The foregoing illustration is thus an example of making use of ratiocination to corroborate the assertion that the Olugbo (in Ilaje) is terribly wrong in his poorly thought out fabrication of his personal narrative.

Cheers!

Cc: nisai, gomojam

You made mention of the name "eko" existed before the Benins came to the land (can I see a documented proof to back your claims).

You also said the yorubas named the land "Eko". Point of correction, the name Eko existed since the 15th century and the entity "Yoruba" was established in the 19th century, sorry but your story doesn't add up. Simply put, the word Yoruba didn't exist is the 15th or 16th century. You just shot yourself on the foot.

To start with, are you an awori, because it makes no sense arguing facts with you if you arequire not an awori because other Yoruba tribes are late immigrants into Eko.

My question is this, what does Eko mean in Yoruba.

As regards to Oduduwa growing up in oke-ora, I have nothing to say to you until you show me any pre-colonial document that shows he grew up in oke-ora.

Who mentioned Pa Idu migrating from anywhere?. He is the first indigin of the land.

Olu317:
There is no iota of doubt about havng knowledge of your ancestors history but that of your Oba Bini isn't complete without Yoruba's prince, Oramiyah,who was Ogun's descendant. Though Odudu's meaning in Bini language in the context of Yoruba's OduIwa/DoodooIwa remained implausible from Bini's account but I agree with you that Ogiso gave birth to Ekerlehedan, who founded Gwato or Ughoton.

In the context that thousands of Edo indegne and some present day migrants to Warri land knows this, information above ,is the reason do I ask you,who was the Ohen Okun priest,who was the leader of Gwato or Ughoton land as at the time of Afonso D'Aviero visitation to Ughoton and Bini Oba Esigie in1485/1486 ?



Cheers

One thing you should understand in Benin history is that everyone in Benin shares the same lineage as that of the Oba because we all originated from Pa Idu. The Ogisos are the ancestors of Oduduwa and therefore Oba Eweka is a descendant of the Ogisos. If this was not so tell me why the Obas still connect to their fathers "the ogisos" by practicing the costums of the Ogisos. You are well aware that Ogiso Ere introduced the ada and eben culture to Igodomigo and uptil today the Obas still practice the culture of their fathers by using the ada and eben. In addition, are you also aware that uptil today the Oba dynasty worships Erimwi Idu (spirit of Idu) as an ancestorial shrine just as the Ogisos did as well. So tell me, why aren't the Obas worshiping the spirit of Oduduwa if he's their progenitor?

The true story of Ekeladeran/Oduduwa in short is this, he was banished with his mother and they ran away to Ughoton where he established the Olokun worship. His mother died at Ughoton and her grave is still there till today but you will never see Ekeladerans grave in Ughoton because he was not buried there . He left Ughoton and ran to Uhe (present day Kogi state). He stayed in a place called ife which still exists till today. In case you don't know, Ekeladeran story is part of Igalla history because they acknowledge he came to their land and after he had a confront action with the attah of Igalla he ran away with some followers and they found themselves in present day ife. He conquered the enemies of Ife and his name changed from Ekeladeran to Oduduwa.

As for your question regarding ohen Okun, he was the Benin ambassador appointed to portugal while jao Alfonso alveira was appointed Portuguese ambassador to Benin.

TAO12:
Yes, to debunk Benin lies.

Who Binis love: Those who give them a free pass to lie without any reaction of caution or refutation.

No I am NOT one of those. Hate me.

Show one example of an AuThEnTic pRoOf from Binis that I laughed off.

There is none. Instead it is you who have been giving me excuses upon excuses as to why you are not willing to type your best argument. Yet you are willing to type your weakest argument, right?

Yes I debunk lies using facts, evidence, proof, and ratiocination.

Oh really? Name me one non-Benin who thinks I have not been doing a wonderful job debunking Benin lies using fact.

There is none. Not a single soul one.

You are allowed to be deluded. But sha don’t go the Israel DMW route.

Yes, I appreciate the true history of Benin — such as the fact that they were able to learn bronze casting, they were able to exercise some good control over quite a number of Edo villages in addition to Benin city, etc.

But when you all come to say your Oba own land from here to Europe, and that you once ruled from Lagos to Japan, etc., that’s when I come with my factual nuclear weapons.

The solution is simple: Stop lying, or ask questions, Or do both.

Hahahaha.. are you trying to say that Benins learnt bronze casting from the yorubas? You are ridiculous. Where did you get this from? Please don't let your supporters laugh at you because it's the joke of the century

I once asked you to mention the name the awories called Lagos before the Benins established the land and named it Eko, but you have stylishly avoided that question.

I am still waiting for you to give me the name of the community Oduduwa grew up. We want to know the compound he grew up . Don't tell me it is a hilly place blah blah blah, or that it is the same community as the ooni blah blah!. Be precise and mention the name of the compound that raised Oduduwa in ile-ife. Let's see proof

According to Olugbo of Ugbo it took Oduduwa 16 good years to learn ife dialect, and you are here deceiving the public that Oduduwa was born and grew up in ile-ife. I have told you before to go and find out more about your real ancestors because you are obviously lost.

TAO12:
Well it is the Oba of Benin who is a priest (sorry Grand-Chief priest) as far as the overall head of Holy Arousa Cathedral is concerned. LMAO!

Oh, since he is also rules Benin, then I guess he has a dual role then. Oba of Benin — a priest and a king.

You mean the errors we committed by of ‘mArGiNiLiZiNg’ your folks this leading to your decades of disgruntled feelings, and the strong grip of the minority complex syndrome which has held you all right.

Or which errors?

Errors in the sense of telling history as it is without fabrications. Place the Kings in their rightful positions and watch how your true history unfolds. Truth unlocks everything. Cheers!

TAO12:
You actually meant to say someone that know his Nollywood scripts.

A so-called history that is unsubstantiated is nothing more than a SuperStory — A NollyWood script from the stables of Pete Edoche.

I have educated you on that already. The you have a selective reading disease.

Well! Only two received traditional Benin account exist on Igodo.

One says he came from heaven, the other says that he is an emissary sent from Ife-Ife to organize the primitive Edos into some form of Supra-chiefdom.

One sounds like a romanticization of his life, the other sounds like the history of his life. Whichever you love to go with, these are Benin accounts.

And his father was the first to fry dodo in the world. He invented table tenis. And ruled over the Australian Aboriginal.

I can also go on and on. In other words, when everyone choose to pull out unsubstantiated stories from their anus, anything goes and everything is fair.

Provide me with the received account of anything you want to say otherwise, you are simply typing up another Nollywood script.

The same S. B. Omoregie that first came up with the forged version of Ekaladerhan in the year 1970 or which Omoregie??

The same Omoregie who said Ekaladerhan is one and the same person as Oranmiyan or another Omoregie?

The same Omoregie who simply scratched his head and looked away when asked to cite a source or name an informant for his crappy SuperStory, or another one?

Well I have only been debunking Nollywood scripts so far. You are yet to talk about history — which is evidence based accounts. Not anus retrieved stories.

It is very easy to overlook your replies because 95% of observers here already know your aim. Even when you come across authentic proof you tend to debunk them and add a little bit of sarcasm as a means of distraction. Your sole aim is to debunk debunk and debunk. That is why majority of people here don't see you anymore as a true historian. Personally I believe you are on payroll and I don't blame you because this is your source of getting paid.

It's okay, but just be a little bit more realistic in your research findings and try to appreciate a bit of Benin historical achievements every once in a while. Cheers!

TAO12:
You claimed it is a big a lie because you are about to prove how it is a lie. Go on.

While waiting for your proof. The families from which all Ooni’s descended is Oduduwa’s family, dullard. And Oke-Ora is a hilly settlement amongs the many hills surrounding the Ife bowl.

By the way, you are yet to tell us how Igodo sky-dived from the sky and crash landed at Benin city round about. Also, you haven’t said a word about how Mr. Idu tracked from Rome to Edo state. We’re waiting.



The names of Obatala’s parents are not given in the Ife traditional accounts. Neither are the names of any of the other early Ife dramatis personae given in Ife traditional account. Oduduwa is not the exception. He is just like the others. Ife account insists that he is from the hilly settlement of Oke-Ora, hence his cognomen, Osin-Ora.

Who is Mr. Idu’s daddy? How long did it take Mr. Idu to track from Rome to Edo state?

Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he was diving from the sky to Edo state?

All these we need to know.

Yeaaaaahhh right!!.. tell that to the birds. Ooni is a chief priest so you can't associate him with oduduwas family which are the Ogisos .

Don't get me wrong though, there is nothing wrong in being a chief priest, I liken him to being the Pope of Nigeria but you can't classify him as having the same royal blood as the Oba of Benin. I'm trying to massage your ego, hope it worked

Until you guys correct your past errors you can never get the truth that you seek.

TAO12:
Well if you can’t providence for what you say, then you’re simply saying stories.
If something must push to narrate a story, then that same thing must push to back up your story with evidence, otherwise your story is nothing but SuperStory.

No, I will tell you my story. The only difference is that I can substantiate mine you can’t substantiate yours. Oduduwa is a Yoruba from Oke-Ora says the Ife account of his historical roots.

Ogiso Igodo fell from the sky and crash landed in Benin city, right? Or the fictional Mr. Idu tracked from Rome to Edo state, right? LMAO!

I have ego. I’m not seeking to know anything I already know.

I am only here to debunk Benin lies like I’ve been doing. And I’ve been singlehandedly flogging all Benin liars for years.

Bring me the guy i your video let me flog his skull too. Or is that guy in the video you? LMAO!

Funny you .. you are talking to someone that knows his complete history and ancestory. My advice to you is for you to know where your ancestors came from before you come on nairaland to try and debunk other people's ancestory. Let me enlighten you a bit. Ogiso Igodo didn't fall from the sky. The title simply means he has devine attributes coming directly from heaven (sky). In Benin we know ogiso Igodos ancestory and that is why I'm telling you to go and find yours .

The name of Ogisos father is Odudu. I can go further to tell you whom fathered Odudu if you care to learn more from me . Just in case you are curious to learn more about Benin ancestory go and read "great benin" by Omoregie.

Like I said earlier, Benin is all about history and history is Benin. We don't tell stories, we create history.

TAO12:
Well if you can’t providence for what you say, then you’re simply saying stories.
If something must push to narrate a story, then that same thing must push to back up your story with evidence, otherwise your story is nothing but SuperStory.

No, I will tell you my story. The only difference is that I can substantiate mine you can’t substantiate yours. Oduduwa is a Yoruba from Oke-Ora says the Ife account of his historical roots.

Ogiso Igodo fell from the sky and crash landed in Benin city, right? Or the fictional Mr. Idu tracked from Rome to Edo state, right? LMAO!

I have ego. I’m not seeking to know anything I already know.

I am only here to debunk Benin lies like I’ve been doing. And I’ve been singlehandedly flogging all Benin liars for years.

Bring me the guy i your video let me flog his skull too. Or is that guy in the video you? LMAO!

You claim oduduwa is from oke-ora which is a big lie. Give us detailed proof to show that any compound in ile-ife has claimed oduduwa as their son. Also mention who his parents are, if he truly originated from oke-ora it shouldn't be a problem for eye witnesses to tell us all about his childhood days. Just mention the compound that claims him in ile-ife as their son. I'm waiting

UGBE634:
Na fish brain her brain na book he dae, if you ask am say he name na Tao he go say make you prove am. nor dae follow am argue she dae argue like lawyer-to win and not to say the truth. Not that it's not there now but because you you in particular can't prove it,she wants the world to believe it's not there. she is a failed soul and a chronic liar.my happiness is that she have enough knowledge of Benin history and she knows the truth she will only delude her self that she is deceiving the world on nairaland knowing the truth herself she would then go in and cry bitterly. selah ! don't disturb yourself with her she is a failed cause. She wants the world to believe it's not there because of your limited knowledge

You nailed it. I'm glad you understand her modus operandi