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davidnazee:
Benin kingdom conquered eastern yoruba and founded the colony of Lagos.. you have to agree on these facts as painful as it is.

I know you are from the part of yoruba that felt the full might of Benin kingdom that's why you feel so much pain.

Surely she can't claim Lagos, unless she wants to entrap herself in a big spider web. First of all, the city of Lagos can only be argued between the benins and the a awories to start with. No other yoruba tribe has claim to Lagos. Maybe you should ask her the initial name that the awories named Lagos before the Benins established it and named it Eko. Let her start from there. Lol

TAO12:
Nobody is on any useless payroll. No single Yoruba leader of thought have time for you people’s insecure nonsense. If they did, I wouldn’t even be the one here flogging you people. In fact, it wouldn’t even be a Nairaland issue.

Professor Peter Ekeh once regret why Yoruba leaders left you people to go mad with Izoduwa fabrications and all. That is to tell you that Yorubas have no business with whatever lie you wish to tell yourselves provided such lies help you all sleep at night.

But you said you don’t have time to bring your best argument to defend Benin. Defend Benin kingdom with your best argument from your video you were making excuses. Yet you have time when it is about make useless speculations and accusations. Sha don’t land yourself in trouble like one of your brothers (Israel DMW) did some weeks ago — then came begging later.

Again, don’t quote me if you wouldn’t bring forward your best argument from the so-called video.

You are getting it all wrong. I don't need to defend my history or Benin Kingdom because Benin's create history, we don't tell stories. I know my history. As a matter of fact, I know who my ancestral fathers are. I'm only trying to help you discover whom yours is because obviously the yorubas best option is that he fell from the sky or trecked all the way from mecca ... Get rid of your ego and you shall find the truth that you seek.

TAO12:
Mr man channel this your energy into bringing forward the part of the video which convinces you the most.

Comment it out here on Nairaland, and let me shred it into pieces for you here on Nairaland.

I can’t waste my time watching a video that I don’t have the platform to debunk right there in the comment.

You claim to have no time to defend Benin with your best argument from the video.

Yet you have enough time to type up all the above off points and inconsequential pleas.

Ogbeni shift and come back letter. Don’t quote me if you’re not bringing your best arguments from the video.

From your statement here it's quite obvious you are on pay roll from a royal/political house to debunk the history of Benin Kingdom on Nairaland whether authentic or otherwise. It's quite a shame though because if you are truly a historian I'm quite sure you will study any historical material that comes your way to understand the true history of the Benin kingdom, but instead all you are concerned about is how to debunk historical facts on Nairaland even if such historical facts are authentic. Thanks for exposing your true agenda to the public.

Truthshots2:
"yoruba" of today is not s tribe. The only true yoruba are the people of oyo Kingdom.
"yoruba" of today is a mix up of many groups of people whom have no link with eachother:

1) the real yoruba (oyo people)
2) slave descendants (more than majority of the yorubas of today)
3) some dahomians
4) the jebu
5) some brainwashed Edo
6) ...

Notice one thing: the jebu used to consider the yoruba as inferior human beings and occasionally threatened to attack one Yoruba settlement or the other. The same jebu paid tribute to the Oba of Benin.

I agree with you. The difference between the Benins and the yoruba is this, the Benins come from one stock and are all connected by blood while the yorubas are connected via a centralised language derived from oyo but they are actually a mix of different people brought together for political purpose.

Edeyoung:
Not you, the proposal is for Truthshots2
I will brief you on the proposal, i am planning to go on goggles and expose the truth between the Benin and ife myth to everyone that it was political staged by our elites



Lol, again anybody can fool you, even your fathers, kings are humans too, it wasnt the intention for our oba to fool us but as we nay have it he did unintentionally


The Benin-ife myth was formed by oba ewwka 11 and the ooni at that time, oba eweka who was recovery from the devasting war which brought benin down was reinstalled as oba in 1914,
After amalgamation everytribe was aligning
An oba eweka aligned with ooni of ife for political
Support and they welcome him as a yoruba son and created the ormoiyan myth to falsely connect him historically, obs eweka didn't mind his position in the myth as a younger one tp alafin and ooni od ife...


Please visit my profile for more tired of typing

Again the yoruba people never came from one ancestry

If you want to know more personally
Contact me on telegram
https:///anthemblanchard

And also visit gregyboy profile on nairaland to read more

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TAO11:
Benin people are too retar.ded for my liking.

He’s looking for who to track down.

Bunch of thieves, cultists and prostitutes.

Did you just say "track down"?.. Lol.
The funny part is, you don't have to login or register on facebook before you view the content, so I don't know where "tracking down" is coming from.
No need to get all paranoid, it's just a public Facebook link, you are just being ignorant and unecessarIy scared.

Easy with the names, your tribe is no better because as far as I can remember, there are cultists, rapists and ritualists littered everywhere in yorubaland and other parts of Nigeria. Be wise with your words and stop being unecessarily mischievous because you are beginning to sound like a child each day that passes by. ENJOY!!

Edeyoung:
Not you, the proposal is for Truthshots2
I will brief you on the proposal, i am planning to go on goggles and expose the truth between the Benin and ife myth to everyone that it was political staged by our elites



Lol, again anybody can fool you, even your fathers, kings are humans too, it wasnt the intention for our oba to fool us but as we nay have it he did unintentionally


The Benin-ife myth was formed by oba ewwka 11 and the ooni at that time, oba eweka who was recovery from the devasting war which brought benin down was reinstalled as oba in 1914,
After amalgamation everytribe was aligning
An oba eweka aligned with ooni of ife for political
Support and they welcome him as a yoruba son and created the ormoiyan myth to falsely connect him historically, obs eweka didn't mind his position in the myth as a younger one tp alafin and ooni od ife...


Please visit my profile for more tired of typing

Again the yoruba people never came from one ancestry

If you want to know more personally
Contact me on telegram
https:///anthemblanchard

And also visit gregyboy profile on nairaland to read more

I wouldn't necessary say the Benin/ife is a myth. It's too early in the game for you to jump the gun and go public in exposing anything online. You need to be sure beyond reasonable doubt before you make such a conclusion. The only part in history I believe everything turned upside down was when the Ooni status was elevated to number one king in hierarchy. He shouldn't be on that list because he's not a direct son of Oodua.

Peace would have reigned if they announced the oba of benin as number one king in hierarchy because his royal stool seniors that of alafin of oyo. At the end of the day, the oba of benin was betrayed and that is why he asked for Midwest to be established. He made up his mind from that time that he will not take the yorubas as his brothers again because he saw through themy that they planned of robbing him as the number one king in the south.

I advise you to be patient because the truth will unfold itself very soon. It's all moving in the right direction.

TAO11:
I don’t watch unsubstantiated craps. I don’t even use Facebook.

If your video is so great, then bring the argument here where I can comment, and let me debunk it into thin air.

Or ask whoever is in the video to open a Nairaland account and let me add him to my list of Benin rags.

LOL... you really think I have all that time? Sorry mate, it's left for you to enlighten yourself or not, it's really bone of my business. I believe I have done myour own part to enlighten you about the truth. PEACE!

TAO11:
And I have devastatingly debunked your best lies using evidence, proof, and ratiocination.

Just watch that link I sent to you in my previous post and stop being stubborn. If you need referencing to his work regarding Oghene and uhe, I will send you two extra links for you to watch below. All the books and references are clearly stated. This is pure undiluted history. He clearly spelt it out that ile-ife is not Uhe and Ooni cannot be classified as Oghene.

Part 1

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=480281356709697&id=103448881059615&anchor_composer=false

Part 2

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=534400084631157&id=103448881059615&anchor_composer=false

TAO11:
It is plausible to Oba’s slaves.

Classical/extant Benin history says this is an ignorant falsehood.

I will sooner or later return a new era to Benin kingdom. An era where truth will no longe scare Benin people. An era where Benin people will outgrow inferiority complex. An era that was last witnessed in Benin kingdom in the pre-1970s.

I have done my best for you ..

Fezz:
TAO.. how I wish you can just remove your pride and listen to the foundational history of the Benin people via this link. It explains everything concerning Oghene and Uhe, and if you scroll to time stamp 45'min it talks about the origin of Ubini which we talked about earlier today.

The truth is this, only the Benin historians can unluck the true origin of yoruba's ancestral fathers, only if you are submissive enough to work together with Benin historians without any form of pride. Only an elder can know the true history of his younger ones and this is the case between the Benins and the yoruba. If you have enough data watch this link from beginning to the end of the programme and I assure you that all your curiosity regarding Oghene will be squashed.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=807366949879822&id=103448881059615&anchor_composer=false

Gregboy you once asked me to tell you all about Idu your progenitor. Watch this link, It will answer all your questions

Edeyoung:
Are you aware the benin-ife Oduduwa myth never existed in the first place


Youre arguing over a myth used to united edo and yorubas as brothers after amalgamation for political benefit....


Take your time and read benin old document if you find oromiyan or ife(uhe) call me bastard


On the otherhand Truthshots2 i made a proposal to u d other day you refuse to reply me

The Oba thinks otherwise and I agree with him. It's only best you believe in the Ekelederan/oduduwa history because it is very plausible.Ekelederan is the originator of yoruba kings and time will expose everything.

Kindly remind me of the proposal, I probably didn't see it.

TAO11:
Cry me five different oceans oh you Edeyoung aka gregyboy; PhD Dumb Revisionism



https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/37#101032103

Cc: Fezz

TAO.. how I wish you can just remove your pride and listen to the foundational history of the Benin people via this link. It explains everything concerning Oghene and Uhe, and if you scroll to time stamp 45'min it talks about the origin of Ubini which we talked about earlier today.

The truth is this, only the Benin historians can unluck the true origin of yoruba's ancestral fathers, only if you are submissive enough to work together with Benin historians without any form of pride. Only an elder can know the true history of his younger ones and this is the case between the Benins and the yoruba. If you have enough data watch this link from beginning to the end of the programme and I assure you that all your curiosity regarding Oghene will be squashed.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=807366949879822&id=103448881059615&anchor_composer=false

TAO11:
You’re a dullard!

Their ancestral homeland has being called Ode-Itsekiri for centuries (or more correctly millleniums) prior to their acceptance of Iginuwa because he is of the some Yoruba root as them.

What does Itsekiri mean in Edo language? Nothing!

On the contrary, it is a Yoruba word with an everyday meaning till today.

Cc: ogbonti

The land was actually named Iwerre by the benins later corrupted to "warri" and the king was known as Ogiamie (king of waters). In recent times the king is called Olu and it is derived from Olua which was derived from his father's name. Ginuwa died at ijilla (in warri) when they were still wondering before finally reaching today's ode itsekiri.

Ginuwas son known as Ijijen named the land Itsekiri. As you can see, Benin is written all over itsekiri despite the fact that majority of them speak yorabanoid language mixed with a bit of edoid and Portuguese.

TAO11:
You are an irredeemable dullard. Point out where I had noted that the story of Ekalderhan is a new one.

What I (and of course historians) called a forgery is the Izoduwa fiction/version which surfaced in the 1970s.

And NO where does the earlier story of Ekaladerhan say he is one and the same person as Oranmiyan/Oduduwa?

And NO where does it say he fled to Ife, or he ever went near Ife. Rather, the story contained clear indications that he lived all his life in his kingdom of Ughoton.

In FACT, this particular earlier story (highlighted partially in your screenshot) is one of the reasons why historians reached the conclusion that the latter 1970s version is a latter-day forgery.

Read up ONE book.

Cc: Juliusmalema
———————————

PS: Ling Roth didn’t write any book in 1854. Neither was he the author of the 1880s note I talked about in the shot below.

All these Edo blogs (from where you retrieved your screenshot) just cook up Nollywood script for you all, and you all dumbly swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Edo blogs are the very reasons why I find it very, very easy to disgrace Benin reta.rds everyday on Nairaland.

My comment on this topic from days ago is attached in the screenshots below to show you I’m well aware of an early authentic story of Ekaladerhan which debunks the forged one from the 1970s.

You are probably not aware of this but I urge you to go and make your own research. Olotun was one of the people that followed izoduwa from Ughoton to ile-ife and he was told to follow oranmiyan back to Ubini which he did. Till today the Olotun family (royal chief) in Benin link their ancestry home to Ughoton and they are a living witness to the izoduwa movement from ughoton to Ife. Do your research and stop playing around on Nairaland

TAO11:
Answer:

A “retinue of aides” followed him from Ile-Ife to Benin.

Says who?

Well, says the generally attested early received account of Benin history collected from the royal court historians of Omonoba Akenzua-2.

Cc: joefelin2345

Well.. says the guy that I responded to, claiming that the entire Benin people are yoruba. It's no longer the Benin royal house he wants to claim, it's now the entire Benin populace. Very funny! You and your yoruba brothers should go and hijack another tribe because Benin is out of your league.

TAO11:
When did I claim to have been the one who called it a forgery? No, I never did. Historians did.

Are you that deluded to call that horse’s mouth when the topic is clearly about Oduduwa’s history??

This is NOT Ogiamien’s history oo, in case you are about confused. This is Oduduwa’s history. Hehe!

Your delusion is certainly an everlastingly strong one.

Yes his words are final for his Edo slaves.

Swear that you are not a slave of the Oba of Benin.

I know.

Anyone can claim that the clouds are made up of cotton wool provided such claim helps them sleep at night.

However, they can’t insist that such is a scientific fact.

Scientists would have to step in at that point and put such claim in its sewage place.

In a similar vein, historians have stepped in to cure your delusion and declared the 1970s Izoduwa forgery as an interesting nonsense.

In other words, you may believe it if you choose to be dumb, but calling it history is what historians have gone against.

But this is not exclusively a history of Edo.

This is a Yoruba history which intersects with the Edo’s.

As such, you can’t say trash on such intersected history and expect the other concerned ethnic group to fold their arms and watch you go looney. No, it’s not done.

No! Yorubas have called you out on the forgery. Your own early history has called you out on the forgery.

More importantly, historians have called you out on the forefeet. Why not choose sanity over delusions?

Stroy tellers are precisely what you are regarding the failure of a 1970s forgery called Izoduwa (Omonoyan, Idoduwa, Imadoduwa, etc.)

Cc: Juliusmalema, Gbajure

Your sarcasm makes it difficult to understand your posts. Try to tone it down a bit, because it makes your posts boring. Sincerely, I hardly go through the full length of your comments because it's just boring everything. Word of advice, always go straight to your points and stop using sarcasm to derail your readers. It's just so boring and you are killing all the fun. Sad!

TAO11:
When did I claim to have been the one who called it a forgery. No, I never did. Historians did.

Are you that deluded to call that the horse’s mouth regarding Oduduwa’s history?? Not Ogiamen history oo. Hehe!

The delusion is certainly an everlastingly strong one.

Yes is words are finals for his Edo slaves.

Swear that you are not a slave of the Oba of Benin.

I know. Anyone can claim that the clouds are made of cotton wool provided such claim makes them sleep well
at night.

However, they can’t insist that such is a scientific fact. Scientists would have to step in at that point and put such claim in its gutter place.

In a similar vein, historians have stepped in to cure you all’s delusion and declared the 1970s Izoduwa forgery as an interesting nonsense.

In other words, you may believe it if you choose to be dumb, but calling it history is what historians have gone against.

But this is not an exclusive history of Benin. This is a Yoruba history that intersects with Benin’s.

So, you can’t expect to say trash on such intersectional history and expect the other concerned ethnic group to fold their arms and watch you go looney.

No, Yorubas have called you out on that. Your own early history has called you out on it. Finally, historians have called you out on it.

Why not choose sanity over delusions?

Stroy tellers is precisely what you are regarding the failure of a 1970s forgery called Izoduwa (Omonoyan, Idoduwa, Imadoduwa, etc.)

Juliusmalema, Fezz.

You are obviously a clown. I don't need your long sermons, just go straight to the point. Kindly tell us what scientific evidence was discovered to debunk the Izoduwa story. I'm waiting

In 1854, Ling Roth wrote he was told in a vague way how a son of a king named caledesan (Ekaladeran) founded Gwaton (Ughoton) the head centre of (Olokun) after he fled Benin because he was accused fallele by his father's wife of rape.

The story of Ekaladeran is not a new one as you mentioned earlier. The Yorubas tried to suppress the story for a long time because they owned the only printing press in Ibadan. Nothing can be hidden under the sun forever, the truth must always surface at the right time.

joefelin2345:
This to me is more understandable & less confusing becos it is a fact that at one point in time, Oranmiyan was sent to Benin from Ile Ife to restore peace over there. He later called the place ..
Ile ibinu..probably becos of his experience over there.

This is outrageous and laughable . How many people followed Oranmiyan from ile-ife to Ubini, excluding the Benin Chiefs that convinced him to rule them as their rightful heir. Let's start from there? I'm waiting

ogbonti:
The Itsekiri tribe may have yoruba words but you forget that the Ruling house of Warri which all Itsekiris proudly accept and gave the legitimacy to rule over them for centuries is 90% Benin

It was Prince Ginuwa, the Eldest son of Oba Olua and the sons of 70 Benin Chiefs that started the Warri Kingdom

That is why you have Chieftaincy titles in Warri like Obazuaye, Ologbotsere, Iyatsere (Iyase) Ezomo, Uwangue, etc - These are Benin titles so you can not remove the Warri crown from deep Benin roots and any attempt to impose yorubas mix to it waters down the sophistication of the tradition and culture of Oluship in Warri

Let's be honest, without the warri Crown there is no itsekiri because it is Ginuwas son that gave them the name "itsekiri" after his father died. The Benins gave them their identity.

TAO11:
Oh you mean the 1970s fairytale of Izoduwa (Idoduwa, Omonoyon, Imadoduwa, etc.) which historians noted was no more than an interesting nonsense of a failed forgery?

Tell me more please. I’m all ears.

Cc: Juliusmalema

Call it whatever you like, all that matters is that it came from the horses mouth which is the Oba of Benin. His word is final and can't be detested. We are not saying it for you to believe because everyone has a right to tell his own history. In Benin, history is made, and not spoken. We are not storytellers unlike our neighbours

Gbajure:
What is the meaning of Ogiso? Find the meaning b4 starting posting rubbish about not believing in the sky mythology.

And Ooni visiting Benin b4 coronation? Maybe u meant to say Ọba of Bini!

Think about this first. Who changed the name of the people from Edo to Bini a Yoruba word and Ogiso to Ọba, another Yoruba word.

Receive knowledge because you lack it and it's quite evident in your post. BINI was derived from UBINI which was the capital of Igodomigodo. Obviously oranmiyan could not pronounce Ubini and it was corrupted to Ibinu in "ile-Ibinu instead of ile-Ubini. The Portuguese corrupted the name Ubini to Benin. Do your research extensively and you will realise that the name Ubini n'okpevbho existed since the era of the Ogisos

Juliusmalema:
I will never support evil and as such the article 4 is a useless one.....

Itshekiri are by extension Yorubas, So it makes no sense, I mean no sense how the son of a Yoruba woman won't become king.

The 1979 edict is a daylight robbery and shouldn't stand.

The Benin kingdom itself is a yoruboid kingdom ( Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor an Itshekiri man affirmed this)...

Prince Tsola should be crowned the Olu of Warri.

You cannot deny the real owners of the kingdom by extension their right to also rule their land.

The Article 4 should be burnt to ashes....It has outlived it's usefulness and reason it was created.

If some lies, revisionist are not nipped to the mud, they might end up extending the local government they want to control in their expansionist agenda upto Nine..

Point of correction please, the Benin Kingdom is an edoid Kingdom and it's not in anyway yorubanoid. Oduduwa was a Benin prince on exile and found himself in ile-ife. He established his Kingdom there and his son omonoya was sent forth to take his father's place as the Omo 'oba of Benin Kingdom. Therefore the royal stoold of itshekiri Kingdom is edoid because they are directly related to the royal family of Benin Kingdom.

samuk:
Nigeria history of various tribes falls into two categories, pre-1800s eyewitness written accounts and post 1800s mostly fairytales which was written by the first educated Nigerians and some lazy Europeans who based their writings on latter day fairytales and were too lazy to do their proper research into archival materials of pre 1800s Nigeria eyewitness historical accounts.

Frauds like TAO11 mostly qoute and cite their sources to support their lies, fallacies, fairytales and fabrications from the post 1800s lies. They hardly cite or qoute from earlier than 1800s to support their lies.

Everyone should be guided when they see citations from post 1800s talking about historical events that supposed or claimed to have happen earlier than 1800s. If you want the authentic history of pre 1800s Nigeria, they were documented by eyewitnesses of that time, seek for their materials and read their first hand accounts not latterday manipulations.

1. TAO11 told us the Oba of Benin used to be buried in Ife pre 1800s, I have asked for the pre 1800s accounts that said so, she is yet to provide it.

2. TAO11 is repeating the lies that Benin hard relationship with Ife pre-1800s, I have severally requested for source material pre 1800s to support his/her claim, she can't find any pre 1800s historical accounts to support her lies.

3. TAO11 told us that the first Oba of Lagos was an Isheri commoner, this is contrary to the account of Oba of Lagos himself who said his ancestors was a Benin prince and eyewitness historical accounts of Lagos in 1603 is in support of Oba of Lagos position. TAO11 is yet to provide pre 1800s historical accounts to support her Isheri man.

4. TAO11 told us Oyo used to be an empire pre 1800s, she is yet to show us the pre 1800s eyewitness historical accounts to support her fairytale and fictional Oyo empire that didn't even have a European visitor until 1826, 400 years after Benin had her first European encounter.

5. TAO11 told us Ife was more than a village and the cradle of Yoruba culture that was so advanced in artworks that they taught Benin the skills in ancient times, I have requested for her pre-1800s sources but she can't provide any to support her lies.

TAO11 be warned that if you must tell a lie avoid pre 1800s Nigeria history because that era was documented and the Benin of 1400s to 1799 was particularly well documented.

Henceforth, concentrate your lies in post 1800s Nigeria because each time you dabble into pre 1800s Nigeria history, you will be requested for eyewitness sources from that period and nothing less will be accepted.

Don't come back to tell us it was you that made these claims initially and that you are just repeating they lies told by those before you. It has been brought to your notice all these claims are lies, he who makes a claim most be ready to back it up with eyewitness evidence.

You just can wake up in 2021 and start telling us some bullshit stories and claims they happen in 1550 without eyewitness historical evidence to back them up.

Your lies are for those with baby brains not matured minds like ours.

Nicely said.. you have raised good points here. I just wonder how the foreigners never documented the Benin/ife relationship for a duration of 400 years. Does it mean that emissaries between the supposed ife Kingdom and the great Benin empire didn't visit eachother during that span of 400 years?. That is a long time of blank history and it's quite suspicious.

It is obvious the yoruba revisionists started their conspiracy after the colonial masters took over the land (1897) to alter history. Thanks to the Portuguese, if not they would have succeeded in fabricating history.

samuk:
The Benin have told you times without numbers that they are not Yoruba, TAO11 has now also told you that Edo people are not Yoruba. This we both agree on and hope you learn from this. As for the Yoruba trying to steal the Oba of Benin since the late 1800s, we the Benin are equal to the task.

The Yoruba can't just wake up in the 1800s and started writing books on how to steal the Oba of Benin as soon as they knew how to read and write, when more than 400 years of documented Benin history says otherwise.

The issue is Yoruba is trying to steal the Benin monarchy to claim every other tribes that claim Benin ancestry and we are resisting them with Benin pre colonial historical archives.

The issue is purely between a thief and the owner.

Your last paragraph says it all. Any side observer that doesn't see the full plan of the Yorubas must be really slow.

TAO11:
Yorubas are people with Yoruba language and Yoruba culture.

Edos (of course including the Bini subgroup) are people with Edo language and Edo culture.

The fact that Yorubas came all the way from Ife to rule over the Binis (till date) doesn’t make the Binis one of us.

Their kings however are one of us. But the people over whom they rule remain Binis.

Cheers!

I have just one question for you before I move away from your space. Mention any oba of Benin that was documented to say that Ife owns his crown or that his crown comes from yorubaland. Mention the name of just one oba and show us the document and let us forget about this topic forever.

All you do is make claims of owning the obaship of Benin Kingdom but none of the obas never claimed to come from yorubaland. Doesn't it sound funny to you.

I'm waiting....

Juliusmalema:
I can't use a derogatory words against them because the documentary didn't. The documentary states clearly that though a friction exist that doesn't mean the people are divided.

I have noticed you dont like the Benins in this forum but one thing I appreciate about you concerning this post is that you showed a high class of morale by not bending to that TAO. It shows you know your onions and you stand for what you believe in. My advise is, do some external research if you want to know the real history of both the Benins and yorubas. Don't rely on the info you see here because the yorubas on nairaland are shameless when it comes to telling their history. They go through any length to tell blatant lies just to create history for themselves. It's called desperation.

TAO11:
The fact that we ruled and continue to rule over them does not mean we are exactly the same people.

The appropriate thing to say is that the Binis are the subjects of the Ife-Yorubas.

But if you really want to call a spade a spade, you may call them slaves of the Ife-Yorubas

Cheers.

It is obvious you are paid by a royal house to derogate the Benin history. There is so much hate in you towards the Benins. May God instil some level of love in your heart. Be a professional and have the decency to tell the truth. This is all I have to say to you

TAO11:
LMAO! You’re right though /s. Robert Sydney Smith is a well known Yoruba revisionist. /s

I would love ❤️ to be shown this golden source of yours which eXpOsEs the Yorubas’s WeLl pLanNeD aGeNdA.

But don’t you think a WeLl pLaNnEd aGeNdA would actually deny having any such relationship with Benin instead of saying bodies go to Benin? Just saying. Lol.

What kind of WeLl pLaNnEd aGeNdA is this? But I would wait on your evidence of this WeLl pLaNnEd aGeNdA sha.

Lol.

This link says it all. The oba of Benin telling the whole world were Oduduwa hails from, and your ooni (the custodian of yoruba history) was right there. The Benins are not out there to force their history on anyone because the Benins make history, they don't tell stories. That's the difference between the Benins and the yorubas. The yorubas are good story tellers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuhewZPbTsQ

samuk:
Thanks for your observations and kind words.

You are welcome Sam...

Cheers!

TAO11:
First of all, the request to him from the interviewer was NOT “Tell us about the first Oba of Lagos”. No, that wasn’t the request.

Had that being the request, of course he should have touched on both Ado’s father-side (Yoruba) and his mother-side (Benin).

However, the interviewer specifically requested him to talk about the relationship between Benin kingdom and Lagos.

In the light of the request put to him, I am still lost why you expected his reply to be in relation to the Eko/Awori relationship rather than the Eko/Benin relationship.

Could you please explain why such was the reply you were expecting from him with regard to the specific request put to him?

Even at that, NO where did he say, as you’ve put it here, that “tHe fIrSt oBa oF lAgOs iS fRoM bEnIn”.

Again, the interviewer’s request was: “Tell us about the relationship between the Bini and the Eko people”
~ Timestamp 4:55 of the full & untampered video below.

And his reply was that king Ado is a descended son from a certain Benin king; and that a salute gesture to the Benin king is always re-enacted at Enuwa during coronations.

My comment in relation to this video is to disillusion folks from the false propaganda of claiming that his reply was outside the limits of the Lagos account.

No it is not. Please point out the specific time-stamps where you think otherwise.

The Lagos account states categorically that Ashipa (i.e. Ado’s father) is an Awori-Yoruba noble from Isheri-Olofin; and that Ado’s mother is Benin.

I should add that the name Enu[o]wa also resonates with another square by the same name at Isheri-Olofin where every Olofin of Isheri-Olofin is coronated. Same applies at Ife to the area where the palace is located.

To wrap it all up, Oba Akiolu noted in this interview that Lagos does NOT belong to Benin kingdom.
~ Timestamp 5:45 of the full & untampered video below.

He understands how easily the complex and intricate historical relationship may be hijacked & misinterpreted by some folks suffering from the minority complex.

In what more way should he have debunked the false idea of a patrilineal descent from Benin if not the note that Lagos does not belong to Benin kingdom?

(Point 1) Yes, the Aworis settled in Lagos first — perhaps countless centuries actually. Do you dispute this? Lol.

(Point 2) Could you please point out the so-called “[my] previous posts” where I said Benins named a certain land as Eko? Lol.

Wake up man, Benin didn’t name any land (not even a plot) as Eko. And I never claimed that they did — at least not in recent year(s).

The earliest known documented account of the origin of the name Eko (for Lagos island) states clearly that it was named by the Yorubas — not Benins. ~ D’Avezac (1845: p.26).

Also, the area have been named Eko before any non-Yoruba group immigrated near the area in search of better life. ~ Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44).

The idea that Benin named Lagos island as Eko is a big fat myth made-up and popularized by Binis in the latter part of the 1900s.

Well, the Benins didn’t name any part of Lagos as Eko per historical documentation.

The name Eko for the island predates any of the non-Yoruba immigrant groups — Aja, Benin, or Ijaw. This is the earliest documented information prior to recent redactions from Benin writers.

The actual reality appears (in the light of all the early information cited above) to have been as follows:

After the Binis had come to encounter the name Eko in Lagos where they eventually set up their camp, the word Eko thus slowly flowed into the Benin lexicon and eventually acquired a new meaning, viz. camp among Binis — especially the Binis back at home.

This may be corroborated with the fact that an older word actually exist for camp in the language of the Binis — that is, Ago [or perhaps Oxogbo].

Cheers!

Back to the lagos claim. Check out this 17th century trade map clearly showing that lagos was under the Benin Kingdom. It clearly states "Van Ichoo Benin"..You can zoom it to your satisfaction to see it clearly labeled. Why isn't Awori written on this map if you claim that the aworis own lagos.

Be honest with yourself, the Benin Kingdom had full control over eko and the aworis and other yoruba clans where their subject until the British came into the scene and took over because they saw lagos as a major trading port.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

Having said that, the report of Ife excavations (plus that of Orun-Oba-Ado) are actually published information.

And the discovery of [b]eleven (11) circular burial pits at Orun-Oba-Ado is also published.

The crucial information here is that this number is precisely accurate as it matches the expected number of Benin oba’s’ skulls.
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This is very funny. No skulls or body parts were found after the excavation but pits were found .. does this even sound right to you?.. common! . As far as I'm concerned anything could have been buried there and dug up. Don't dwell on such fables. The number of pits found on the site is not relevant because such reports can easily be doctored to fit into a particular narrative. The most important point you raised here is that no skull or human remains were found in the burial site. Case closed