₦airaland Forum

emerged01:
Tinubu this Tinubu that! Tinubu has been reigning since 1999. He fought OBJ he won. He fought GEJ,he won. Tinubu is not a saint but God is with him and forever He will be with him.

Tinubu has been in the corridor of power since the time of the military. He won a senatorial election in 1993.

Let them keep busy on Tinubu matter. The man knows little of their existence.

pantherblack:
if your intellect is so high and you couldnt understand the oxymoron that belied my comment, then sorry for your self-inflated and induced intellect, R.I.P to high intellect ime

Your level of intelligence is to spew tribal innuendos on any Tinubu related thread just to sooth your 2015 election pain. keep relying on newspaper conjectures to masturbate on. Low lifes like you will never know the inner circles of power. This 'news' is just to keep you happy.

Have a field day my wawa brother.

pantherblack:
thats why you've failed multiple job interviews. you obviously didnt understand the perspective, eranko

Aturu. It will take you ten incarnations to have my intellect.

You probably in high school since I started working.

shallysgirl:
Delusional first class citizen.
I can see Tinubu the humiliated first class, what of osibaande the mere commissioner first class citizen VP who happens to be a pastor but has denied Christ for his Muslim boss and Christians are being slaughtered every day without a word from the delusional first class mere commissioner. I have also seen the health minister the first class who his boss treated like trash and elevated his northern subordinate above him. If them born the first class minister well, let him make noise or resign, then, he will learn what first class really is.
I have also seen you shegra the first class, who has 24hrs electricity, pipe borne water, equipped hospitals, good school, paved roads in your First Class region. I have also seen the first class shegra who gets first class treatment at the UK, us, Canada, South Africa..... Embassies.
Delusional headslamming mugus everywhere.
Tufiakwa Headslamming brain disease.

What is this osu typing? show me anyone from your erosion enclave with their clout....

pantherblack:
Tinubu may be playing with jail if he plays too rough. If he plays rough and by error Buhari wins the next term, should he contest and Tinubu opposes him, my dear, you'll not like what will happen to him o

what will happen to him?

what has happened to Saraki and Atiku?

You reveal your tribal hatred here. It's not too hard to figure you guys out.

ipoblogic:
That so called agreement was just a worded one among the PDP members.
Wake up from this your dream please

I don't have to keep arguing at this stage.

So you think APC is set up for northerners alone to be presidents.

Ok. You can stick to your own belief

NubaVertigo:
Another northerner shouldn't mean 12 years of northern rule (ugh.. please use the word "service" instead lol) As ipoblogic correctly stated, the tacit acknowledgement is not in our constitution. If it makes Nigeria more workable then fine, but we can't make constitutions on the go now can we? What I'm saying is.. if we elect a southern leader that is a clear idiot, why can't we replace said leader with another southern representative for the next four years. We have to remember, in Nigeria when people graduate to the presidency, we are not doing them favors, they are SERVING the country. NOONE is entitled to 8 years... this is not a monarchy

Yes it should't but we all know it is an arduous task unseating a sitting president.

It is tacit because it is not in our constitution. In 2023, You will see political heavyweights jostling for the president from the south. the reason they are not coming out now is because of the tacit agreement. Every politician knows the reality.

We can but unfortunately our democracy is till evolving.

ipoblogic:
The IG is not representing the police force,
he is representing the North.
That is their mentality.

And let me ask you,
so, where is hope?

The IG is not representing the north but the police. This your innuendo will further divide Nigeria. Tomorrow when the IG is Igbo, would you say he's representing the east? Your agenda is IPOB and we could see through you no matter how hard you try to mask it with empathy.

Nigeria is passing through a lot of challenge and it is our duty as citizens to work hard and not lose hope. Every nation has it's own challenges and it is not enough to call for secession at every obstacle facing the nation. biafra would have it's own teething problem when achieved, would you divide it city by city until every village is a country? You have a right to seek for secession but don't burn the bridge.

Nigeria would will be great. These old folks are dying and let's allow them to leave the stage. Buhari is the last of the old order to rule Nigeria and I believe after him only digital and intellectuals will be presidents both from the north and south.

LaudableXX:
Even the Middle-Belt is not threatened by the core Northerners. When they attacked the Fulani in retaliation, and dealt them a heavy blow in Taraba and other areas, where was ipoblogic? The only issue was that their adversaries were then protected by the fed govt authorities. The Middle Belt went back to regroup, and decided to re-strategise.

The issue of attack, counter attack and retaliation has gone on for too long, so people are now seeking peaceful solutions to break the cycle. But your friend ipoblogic in his illogical way has only been sounding the drumbeats of alarmists, without the intelligence to proffer long-lasting solutions to the whole thing. If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem. Wasn't that what a philosopher once said?

https://katewatson.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/problem-or-solution.jpg

unfortunately that's how all of them thinks. They don't even empathize with the people but mock them. You see words like "but they vote buhari" 'they joined aboki to fight us in the civil war" "chineke is fighting for us" bla bla bla......yet they come here and type nonsense as if they care.

ipoblogic:
What are the police and the army for?

You mean because of climate change, they are licensed to kill?
Honestly, these kind of reasoning shows Nigeria is doomed

Stop twisting my words. They kill and are being killed because they are clashing with the local farmers who have to protect their farmlands. Your reasoning is too shallow and myopic. You form opinion based on your bigoted agenda without being open minded. No one is happy that people are being killed. but you must look into things deeply with facts before arriving at a conclusion, not taking the easy way out with dumb conspiracies.

[quote author=ipoblogic post=65702022]http://dailypost.ng/2018/01/19/god-created-herdsmen-value-cows-humans-reps-member-dukku/


Now, this came from a law maker.
And the police IG instead of doing the needful, said Governors cannot make anti grazing laws without first building ranches for private businesses.

There is nothing we cannot see and hear in Nigeria.


As for the electoral fraud. i am telling you what is happening.[/quote

We all know that fulanis value cow more that their 'own' lives. I have witnessed it.

The IG is just a reflection of the pathetic state of the police force.

We all know about the elctoral fraud all over Nigeria. The highest rigger wins.

NubaVertigo:
Why not another northerner instead of Buhari


Because more Buhari might just be more these things:

another northerner would mean 12 years of northern rule. Herdsmen issue has always been there but it took a higher dimension in recent years because of the climate change and desertification in the far not. It has nothing to do with Jihad. The government has been slow in tackling the issue but I blame the governors more.

ipoblogic:
Ok, perhaps the number of people killed in benue state does not matter yet?
You are so pathetic.

Now let me tell you something about rotational president in Nigeria,l
It is not in the constitution.

You guys should wake up to reality.
the North handed power to OBJ because of Abiola.
Jonathan was brought because of militancy in the Niger Delta.


Some of you know nothing about Nigeria.

who said the number of people killed in Benue does not matter?

And Buhari was brought because of Boko haram. In 2023 an Igbo man will be brought because of IPOB

Ok. The north will continue to rule you alone. But the north will cease to be my president in 2023.

ipoblogic:
Any day an Igbo man takes over to rule Nigeria, then Nigeria will be made to be so ungovernable for that silly Igbo man.

Any igbo man who thinks the problem is to produce an igbo president is not only delusional but hallucinating.

Nigeria has never worked, Nigeria is not working and Nigeria will never work..
Unless we face this truth then sit down to find a solution, we are only postponing the dooms day: the day of the Baboons and monkeys as spoken by "Prophet Buhari".

How do you know that? who is going to make it ungovernable? stop all these conjectures and come to reality.

You are quoting people out of contest and lying to suit your agenda and you call it truth. can you defend what you quoted buhari as saying?

Leave petty politics for the kids.

ipoblogic:
I neither hate Buhari nor northerners

This is what i hate...

1. When a group of herdsmen leave their lands and invade other peoples lands, destroy their farms, kill them and burn their houses.

2. Nobody is arrested, nobody is hanged for the murder and terrorism

3. and some people are behaving as if it is normal

4. a nation where cows are valued more than humans

5, a nation where truth is hated and black is called white


Just imagine your argument, rather than condemn electoral fraud, you justify it be saying it happens in the south too.

Nigeria is doomed with such perversion of reason.

stop lying to make a point.

1. This is unfortunate

2. terrorist herdsmen are being arrested. we all know that our judicial process is slow.

3. nobody behaves as if it is normal, hence the outcry.
4. by who?
5. depends on the 'truth' you are talking about. you don't mix lies and half truth together and expect sane minds to believe you.

You only condemn electoral fraud in the north and look away to that of the south. That's hypocrisy.

NubaVertigo:
Okay, to rectify the supposed quote I posted before, I just found this online and have to say it does seem to put that quote in a bad light... the quote is probably false or just regarded as banter

http://www.gamji.com/article9000/NEWS9621.htm

I understand the present uprisings in certain muslim countries around the world can cause us to be really scared in the southern half, and perhaps we suffer a little bit from an inferiority complex from being previously paired with a northern half that came with a relatively advanced muslim civilization, at the time..which we have allowed to scare us into concocting doomsday theories... but honestly, northerners usually do seem pretty level headed and less prone to emotional outbursts regarding policy. Yo, if anything starts to go sour in Naij, hit me up

Only Igbos carry this northern fear for head. No Yoruba is threatened by any northerner or Muslim. For someone to even think that a Jihad could still happen or install an emir in a foreign land in this day and age is really pathetic. how would you install an emir in this modern age? by killing all the indigens?

some would tell you power would never come back to the south. I'm like wtf? The highest the northerners would spend is 12 years. that's if buhari is defeated by another northerner in 2019.

Cooly100:
When one of you said that Igbo will NEVER rule Nigeria...

What was that again? HATE speech? Could it create violence, bal, bal, bla?

Hopeless people everywhere!!!

please read before quoting. Did you see hate speech in my post?

Anybody that says Igbo will never be president is only delusional. It's just a matter of time.

ipoblogic:
These Southern Professors and Elites think that education is equivalent to making speeches in English language.
many of them are flaunting impotent papers called cerficates but have not the slightest idea about politics.

The best they can do is rant on newspapers, radios and televisions.
When the chips are down, a man who cannot account of his WAEC certificate is leading a nation made of intellectuals.

it is irony.
What do the likes of Buhari know about the micro and macro economy of a nation?
Imagine the reasoning capacity difference between Osinbajo and Buhari..

It is comical.

What is your grouse for opening this thread?

Is it that you hate buhari or northerners?

For your info. Nigerians have tacitly agreed to rotate power between the north and south in a democratic process after the military misadventures. This unfortunately do not bring the best but it is good for a multi ethnic country like Nigeria. The north have more population than the south but cannot produce a president on it's own. Electoral fraud is common in both north and south albeit in different methods.

Buhari will spend eight years and hand over to the south. Why not wait for the north to serve it's term and let power come back to the south in the spirit of sportsmanship instead of spewing hate daily and spinning conspiracy theories.

Too much emotional rants ladder with ethnic bigotry and religious hatred.

T9ksy:

Thanks for bringing up the speech. However, I don't see how his position "changed dramatically" as you put it.

Bear in mind that this speech was made in 1967 and the west did not enter into the war until later. Now put your sentiments aside and ask yourself why his position changed.

Comon, it's not rocket science now, was it ?

When Awo noticed Ojukwu's rag-tag soldiers heading for yorubaland after having already over run the mid-west region and foisted a fellow Igbo on the locals. It was obvious what fate ojukwu had in mind for his so-called yoruba "brothers"

Not to mention how ojukwu dropped bombs on yorubaland killing innocent yorubas whilst looking for hausa/fulanis to avenge on.

The guy knows this but kept asking me the same question.

PFRB:
Was west another country?

Are we gonna stuck here?

PFRB:
What do ou mean by the highlighted? Did the west have a separate army? Was the west a different country.

What I mean is the war was between the east and north until the biafran troops shifted their attention to the west.

ameri9ja:
That Awo's speech has been much misinterpreted and even misquoted. Since the speech is not that long, I am posting the entire speech here. If u read it carefully you have to admit that Awo's position subsequently dramatically changed. Basically he said two things here:

1) IF BIAFRA IS ALLOWED TO SECEDE THE WEST WOULD ALSO SECEDE
2)(And probably more important) 
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD THE FEDERAL GOV'T USE FORCE TO KEEP BIAFRA FROM SECEDING

Here is the speech in it's ENTIRETY.
(NOTE THE BOLDED):


The aim of a leader should be the welfare of the people whom he leads. I have used ‘welfare’ to denote the physical, mental and spiritual well-being of the people. With this aim fixed unflinchingly and unchangeably before my eyes I consider it my duty to Yoruba people in particular and to Nigerians in general, to place four imperatives before you this morning. Two of them are categorical and two are conditional. Only a peaceful solution must be found to arrest the present worsening stalemate and restore normalcy. The Eastern Region must be encouraged to remain part of the Federation. If the Eastern Region is allowed by acts of omission or commission to secede from or opt out of Nigeria, then the Western Region and Lagos must also stay out of the Federation. The people of Western Nigeria and Lagos should participate in the ad hoc committee or any similar body only on the basis of absolute equality with the other regions of the Federation.

I would like to comment briefly on these four imperatives. There has, of late, been a good deal of sabre rattling in some parts of the country. Those who advocate the use force for the settlement of our present problems should stop a little and reflect. I can see no vital and abiding principle involved in any war between the North and the East. If the East attacked the North, it would be for purpose of revenge pure and simple. Any claim to the contrary would be untenable. If it is claimed that such a war is being waged for the purpose of recovering the real and personal properties left behind in the North by Easterners two insuperable points are obvious. Firstly, the personal effects left behind by Easterners have been wholly looted or destroyed, and can no longer be physically recovered. Secondly, since the real properties are immovable in case of recovery of them can only be by means of forcible military occupation of those parts of the North in which these properties are situated. On the other hand, if the North attacked the East, it could only be for the purpose of further strengthening and entrenching its position of dominance in the country.

If it is claimed that an attack on the East is going to be launched by the Federal Government and not by the North as such and that it is designed to ensure the unity and integrity of the Federation, two other insuperable points also become obvious. First, if a war against the East becomes a necessity it must be agreed to unanimously by the remaining units of the Federation. In this connection, the West, Mid- West and Lagos have declared their implacable opposition to the use of force in solving the present problem. In the face of such declarations by three out of remaining four territories of Nigeria, a war against the East could only be a war favoured by the North alone.
Second, if the true purpose of such a war is to preserve the unity and integrity of the Federation, then these ends can be achieved by the very simple devices of implementing the recommendation of the committee which met on August 9 1966, as reaffirmed by a decision of the military leaders at Aburi on January 5 1967 as well as by accepting such of the demands of the East, West, Mid-West and Lagos as are manifestly reasonable, and essential for assuring harmonious relationships and peaceful co-existence between them and their brothers and sisters in the North.

Some knowledgeable persons have likened an attack on the East to Lincoln’s war against the southern states in America. Two vital factors distinguish Lincoln’s campaign from the one now being contemplated in Nigeria. The first is that the American civil war was aimed at the abolition of slavery – that is the liberation of millions of Negroes who were then still being used as chattels and worse than domestic animals. The second factor is that Lincoln and others in the northern states were English-speaking people waging a war of good conscience and humanity against their fellow nationals who were also English speaking. A war against the East in which Northern soldiers are predominant, will only unite the Easterners or the Ibos against their attackers, strengthen them in their belief that they are not wanted by the majority of their fellow-Nigerians, and finally push them out of the Federation.

We have been told that an act of secession on the part of the East would be a signal, in the first instance, for the creation of the COR state by decree, which would be backed, if need be, by the use of force. With great respect, I have some dissenting observations to make on this declaration. There are 11 national or linguistic groups in the COR areas with a total population of 5.3 millions. These national groups are as distinct from one another as the Ibos are distinct from them or from the Yorubas or Hausas. Of the 11, the Efik/Ibibio/Annang national group are 3.2 million strong as against the Ijaws who are only about 700,000 strong. Ostensibly, the remaining nine national group number 1.4 millions. But when you have subtracted the Ibo inhabitants from among them, what is left ranges from the Ngennis who number only 8,000 to the Ogonis who are 220,000 strong. A decree creating a COR state without a plebiscite to ascertain the wishes of the peoples in the area, would only amount to subordinating the minority national groups in the state to the dominance of the Efik/Ibibio/Annang national group. It would be perfectly in order to create a Calabar state or a Rivers state by decree, and without a plebiscite. Each is a homogeneous national unit. But before you lump distinct and diverse national units together in one state, the consent of each of them is indispensable. Otherwise, the seed of social disquilibrium in the new state would have been sown.

On the other hand, if the COR State is created by decree after the Eastern Region shall have made its severance from Nigeria effective, we should then be waging an unjust war against a foreign state. It would be an unjust war, because the purpose of it would be to remove 10 minorities in the East from the dominance of the Ibos only to subordinate them to the dominance of the Efik/Ibibio/Annang national group. I think I have said enough to demonstrate that any war against the East, or vice versa, on any count whatsoever, would be an unholy crusade, for which it would be most unjustifiable to shed a drop of Nigerian blood. Therefore, only a peaceful solution must be found, and quickly too to arrest the present rapidly deteriorating stalemate and restore normalcy.

With regard to the second categorical imperative, it is my considered view that whilst some of the demands of the East are excessive within the context of a Nigerian union, most of such demands are not only well-founded, but are designed for smooth and steady association amongst the various national units of Nigeria.

The dependence of the Federal Government on financial contributions from the regions? These and other such like demands I do not support. Demands such as these, if accepted, will lead surely to the complete disintegration of the Federation which is not in the interest of our people. But I wholeheartedly support the following demands among others, which we consider reasonable and most of which are already embodied in our memoranda to the Ad Hoc Committee….

That revenue should be allocated strictly on the basis of derivation; that is to say after the Federal Government has deducted its own share for its own services the rest should be allocated to the regions to which they are attributable.

That the existing public debt of the Federation should become the responsibility of the regions on the basis of the location of the projects in respect of each debt whether internal or external.

That each region should have and control its own militia and police force.

That, with immediate effect, all military personnel should be posted to their regions of origin….

If we are to live in harmony one with another as Nigerians it is imperative that these demands and others which are not related, should be met without further delay by those who have hitherto resisted them. To those who may argue that the acceptance of these demands will amount to transforming Nigeria into a federation with a weak central government, my comment is that any link however tenuous, which keeps the East in the Nigerian union, is better in my view than no link at all.

Before the Western delegates went to Lagos to attend the meetings of the ad hoc committee, they were given a clear mandate that[b] if any region should opt out of the Federation of Nigeria, then the Federation should be considered to be at an end, and that the Western Region and Lagos should also opt out of it.[/b] It would then be up to Western Nigeria and Lagos as an independent sovereign state to enter into association with any of the Nigerian units of its own choosing, and on terms mutually acceptable to them. I see no reason for departing from this mandate. If any region in Nigeria considers itself strong enough to compel us to enter into association with it on its own terms, I would only wish such a region luck. But such luck, I must warn, will, in the long run be no better than that which has attended the doings of all colonial powers down the ages. This much I must say in addition, on this point. We have neither military might nor the overwhelming advantage of numbers here in Western Nigeria and Lagos. But we have justice of a noble and imperishable cause on our side, namely: the right of a people to unfettered self-determination. If this is so, then God is on our side, and if God is with us then we have nothing whatsoever in this world to fear.

The fourth imperative, and the second conditional one has been fully dealt with in my recent letter to the Military Governor of Western Nigeria, Col. Robert Adebayo, and in the representation which your deputation made last year to the head of the Federal Military Government, Lt. Col. Yakubu Gowon. As a matter of fact, as far back as November last year a smaller meeting of leaders of thought in this Region decided that unless certain things were done, we would no longer participate in the meeting of the ad hoc committee. But since then, not even one of our legitimate requests has been granted. I will, therefore, take no more of your time in making further comments on a point with which you are well familiar. As soon as our humble and earnest requests are met, I shall be ready to take my place on the ad hoc committee. But certainly, not before.

In closing, I have this piece of advice to give. In order to resolve amiably and in the best interests of all Nigerians certain attributes are required on the part of Nigerian leaders, military as well as non-military leaders alike, namely: vision, realism and unselfishness. But above all , what will keep Nigerian leaders in the North and East unwaveringly in the path of wisdom, realism and moderation is courage and steadfastness on the part of Yoruba people in the course of what they sincerely believe to be right, equitable and just. In the past five years we in the West and Lagos have shown that we possess these qualities in a large measure. If we demonstrate them again as we did in the past, calmly and heroically, we will save Nigeria from further bloodshed and imminent wreck and, at the same time, preserve our freedom and self-respect into the bargain.

May God rule and guide our deliberations here, and endow all the Nigerian leaders with the vision, realism, and unselfishness as well as courage and steadfastness in the course of truth, which the present circumstances demand.

——————–

Speech by Chief Obafemi Awolowo made to the Western leaders of thought, in Ibadan, 1 May 1967 (quoted in “Crisis and Conflict in Nigeria (Volume 1), January 1966-July 1971” by A. H. M. Kirk-Greene

Thanks for bringing up the speech. However, I don't see how his position "changed dramatically" as you put it.

Bear in mind that this speech was made in 1967 and the west did not enter into the war until later. Now put your sentiments aside and ask yourself why his position changed.

maestroferddi:
I will waste my energy on a hallucinating simpleton like you.

We know your types...undesirable elements hiding under idealistic banalities to provide the cover for the perpetration of dictatorship in this country.

The time and season will come when you shall all pay for your sins. You look at the misrule going on in Nigeria and all you can see is the attempt by senators to bring some semblance of objectivity when cowards like you and your ilk have lost your voice.

You are pitiable, indeed...

It seems your village people are on your matter cos I don't believe my objective comment about the undemocratic senators could rile you up like this.


Seek help bro. You need it.

maestroferddi:
You are a pathetic APC apologist. I will not waste my saliva trying to emancipate you from profound indoctrination.

If senators, who it must be said remain the bulwarks against Buhari and APC evil regime, are demons, what then do we call the senselessness called Buhari's government?

Take your time before I rubbish you here...

You are just an idiot talking off point.

What does my comment have to do with APC, buhari or whatever delusion you are having?

The senators are not democratic and does not take criticism from it's own members and that's a fact.

Funny enough you are one of the fools that supported yeye Bello to spite Tinubu.

maestroferddi:
If I call you confusionist, will I not be making an understatement?

We are talking about a rascal/rogue governor and all your deluded APC mind can tell you to cast aspersions on law makers discharging their constitutional duties.

You have a head, please use it...

You are the brainless one bro.

The senators are worst dictators than yeye Bello. Anyone who opposes them or expose their looting is immediately suspended. Are they not worse than Hitler?

Funny enough ibos are the people that can't stay in their Homeland but are supporting this man.

SMH.

PFRB:
Say what you know. Gowon was in charge of the investigation and submitted his report a day to the counter coup. Don't ou see the ploy?

Gowon was his junior hence, siding his boss.

To investigate a crime, you look at available evidence and whoever benefits from a crime is the prime suspect. Ironsi's action after he assumed power all points to the fact that he sponsored the coup.

golddust6000:
no i am not maybe your generation is?

No one looks like ojukwu in my generation. You fool.

are you a coward too?

attention seekers everywhere!