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The Election Petition tribunal is still hearing arguments on the 2023 election that elected Bola Ahmed Tinubu as president. Petitioners have pointed to INEC’s alleged failure to adhere to its own procedures throughout the election as evidence of their case. Martin Onovo, the National Conscience Party’s (NCP) 2015 presidential candidate, has questioned Bola Tinubu’s legitimacy as president.

 

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Tribunal: ‘Did Tinubu Poll 8.7 Million Votes Or INEC Declared Fraudulent Results For Him?’ – Onovo
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The Election Petition tribunal is still hearing arguments on the 2023 election that elected Bola Ahmed Tinubu as president. Petitioners have pointed to INEC’s alleged failure to adhere to its own procedures throughout the election as evidence of their case. Martin Onovo, the National Conscience Party’s (NCP) 2015 presidential candidate, has questioned Bola Tinubu’s legitimacy as president. 



In an interview with the Sun paper, he claimed that polling unit officers had a different tally than the one given by the INEC. There is no way for Nigerians to know for sure that Bola Tinubu received 8.7 million votes, as INEC claimed, in his opinion. 

”I will ask the question again: was Tinubu elected or appointed by the duo of INEC Chairman Prof. Mahmood Yakubu and Buhari?” he added. Is it true that Tinubu received 8.7 million votes, or that INEC fraudulently declared him the winner? Inconsistencies between the official results in the hands of poll workers, party representatives, and other stakeholders, as well as the results posted on the INEC Result viewing (IReV) Portal, prove that the results proclaimed by INEC are false.

I won't say more than that

No front page please, I don't need it

paxonel:
So, you see now that we are free but obviously we don't know.

as if we were in some kind of bondage believing otherwise

paxonel:
you don't get it

It's like someone saying in 2016 unless a student pass jamb he cannot enter university and it was written in a book that the person said so.
In 2018, the student passed jamb and in 2019, the student is already in the university.
The student now picks the book that was written in 2018 and saw that it was written that someone says unless a student pass jamb he cannot enter university and laugh

That is what has happened.

2018 was 2000 years ago when it was written in the bible that jesus made that statement to Nicodemus.
2019 is our current day, the book that we read about this thing is the bible, we have entered the university, we have entered the kingdom of God in 2019

So, the kingdom of God is all about time factor.

Think, you will understand.

I get what you are saying.
So, at what point in time can we say we have been in God's kingdom?
Because, there were signs of the coming of Christ and the kingdom of God mentioned in Matthew 24

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

I tell you, not all nations in the world currently have the gospel of Christ preached, until that is done the kingdom of God will not come

24:21 ]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

We have not seen the great tribulation yet, this will come after rapture.

24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus described how he will come, and already you are saying we are already in Gods kingdom even when jesus has not yet come

I don't get it

paxonel:
I just ended a conversation with some ignorant folk on NL (no need to mention his moniker)

See, that statement by Jesus was strictly for Nicodemus and not for you who lives today.

the scripture says unless a man be born again, not just Nicodemus

Good one!
Those scriptures you quoted attest to what you are saying, but how can one reconcile what you are saying with John 3:3 which says
Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.” ?

paxonel:
the hope is resurrection, not rapture.
I mean, rapture was never mentioned anywhere in the bible.

I think this idea of rapture was invented by the roman catholic a very long time ago.
The funny thing is, the roman catholic did not write bible.
From researches, christianity and the bible has been in existence long before the roman catholic and rapture was never a doctrine, not even among early christians in the bible.

Now, you remember, the same roman catholic postulated the idea that the earth was flat and not spherical in shape and a lot of christians believed that error until Gallelio came and challenge the idea.

If someone does not come out someday to challenge the idea of rapture the world will continue to have that wrong mindset and not take their present life very seriously.

not the world.

Christians

Sunnyshinylight:
By his grace, we will organise a teaching section for you and enlightening you about now and the future by the Holy Ghost

you are not sincere!

Answer the questions the op put foward you run into hiding

We have ignored church in our christian life a long time ago and move on

When God rejected Cain's sacrifice and accepted that of Abel, it was actually a torment for Cain. Just like Cain killed Abel, christians were persecuted and killed by the Jews.
@paxonel, you have a point, i understand were you are driving at

paxonel:
the summary of it all from Genesis to revelation is:
1.Love God with all your heart
2. Love your neighbour as yourself
Matt 22:37-39.
the most two powerful statements in the world.
these two laws exist independently on their own. I.e keeping one do not depend on the other in anyway (unlike churches preaching that without repentance from sin no Salvation ).
Now, how do we love God?
we love God by simply joining the Christian religion through believing that Jesus is the Christ, at that point we are saved automatically .
saved from what?
saved from death.
by one man sin death came to the world , But through Christ we have eternal life here on earth (not in heaven or anywhere above the clouds ).
seriously, i wonder were the rapture fiction is coming from?
certainly, not the Bible.
We are already living our eternal life to replenish this earth as God commanded Adam who lost his eternal life through his sin. That eternal life we are living now is Christianity on earth (Christ in us who came to restore what Adam has lost ).
Roman 5:17, 19 and 20.
How do we keep the second law.(love your neigbour as yourself)?
this one is for Everybody whether you are a christian or not, one love for all mankind.
like i said, this law do not depend on the first law, it require everyone to make a deliberate effort to repent so that this world will be a better place for us

this is straightforward,
not the conventional messages that are popular this days

Amberon:
Dear dumb atheist,

Christians are not wishing nor praying for rapture to destroy the world. We have better things to pray about. Rapture is inevitable, it is immitent.

Y'all atheists think you're smart, but you're plain dumb.

Do you not know that the earth is a living organism? And like all living organisms it would eventually die?? The earth breathes, grows, moves, responds to stimuli etc like every other living organism does and surely it will die someday. (Not many scientists know this ) Yes and that day will be shortly after raprute.

So No! we are not praying for. rapture to destroy the world. Every Christians priority is to live in holiness, righteous so as to make heaven.

ok, christians don't pray for rapture but they are threatened by it to keep them morally upright on this earth ?
that means, without the threat of rapture and end time christians can never be morally upright?
mr scientist,
if you say the earth is living organism what organ of respiration do the earth possess?
the nose?
if the earth is organism what then is the meaning of habitat?
For me, i have my life to enjoy, i don't care about this rapture stuff and religion man

paxonel:
I have said it,
the john 3:3 you quoted was at the time Jesus was yet to be crucified. that means there was no christian faith on earth as at then when Jesus met Nicodemus ,
the Christian faith we are practicing today is the salvation and it started after Jesus resurrected.
so, where do born again belong to?
remember, without faith (specifically the christian faith, not Islamic or any other faith on earth ) it is impossible to please God.
you must believe in Jesus and not Muhammad, that he is the rewarder of those who deligently seek him

you are right,
honestly, i never saw it like that:

paxonel:
please don't use that term "born again "
it is degrading Christianity and making the body of Christ an object of ridicle before non christians

But it is in the scripture already, you can't run away from the truth

paxonel:
what mess are you talking about in church?
see, the moment a Muslim or anybody from any other religion or an atheist join Christianity at that he is said to has started BELIEVING IN CHRIST, at that point he is automatically saved.
what pastors are doing in churches by demanding extra commitment, is not salvation

are you excluding the fact that one need to be born again?
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
or are you saying the moment a non christian join Christianity, at that point he is automatically born again?

paxonel:
how do explain pastors shot dead by armed rubbers?

they are not real pastors, a true man of God will not die like that

paxonel:
certainly,
no doubt.
But it should also be used for healing, not only for deliverance.
i have seen Olukoya healing anybody before, imagine.
Also, the greatest signs and wonders are not miracles and healing.
The greatest signs and wonders is knowledge and understanding.
Typical African fantacy was to possess spiritual powers,but when British colonial masters invaded Africa with guns africans then discovered that spiritual powers do not exist, africans were conquered. That is the power of knowledge and understanding.
Today, Africans are still running after spiritual powers and signs and wonders to solve their problems in churches, but their universities are rated sub standard.
how will their problems be solved like that?

no,
you don't compare African traditional powers to God's signs and wonders now.
odeshi nor dey work for gun but Jesus power is greater than every gun

paxonel:
Do pastors heal the sick this days?
the only thing they do is conducting deliverance and you know, you will hardly know whether the delivered were once inflicted with evil spirit even after the deliverance, because there is no change of behaviour unlike healing where the sick becomes well and everybody will see it
politicians who were corrupt will put on their corrupt money stealing behavior even after deliverance.
so what are we talking?

lol
but that do not deny the fact some of these pastors have gift of miracles

paxonel:
what do you mean by signs and wonders?

miracles now, like... healing the sick now

paxonel:
i don't know,
ask pastors,
they are the ones responsible for educating africans

But how can people know that you are filled with the holy spirit when there is no signs and wonders?
remember, it is signs and wonders that are attracting people to pastors

why always Nigeria and Africa?

it is African nature to have a ulter, either babalawo ulter or church ulter. But we have to choose one

CaptainJune:
I agree with everything you've said. I hope my post did not give you the impression that walking in love makes you perfect. No one can be sinless on earth in this temporary tent (flesh). However, with love you strive for perfection everyday. That's all what God requires of us. Love is God's nature. If you love, you're living and expressing the nature of God.

exactly!
love is what is required, and we are striving to perfection.
But christians this days are not striving again. They think that sin is their nature

CaptainJune:
I really don't understand it when fellow believers are in doubt of their eternal destination. It shows they're not operating in faith and love.

I am EXTREMELY and DEEPLY CONVINCED without an atom of doubt that when I die suddenly, my eternal habitation is heaven. This should not be misconstrued as an expression of boast. As such, the contrary would be the case.

My confidence is rooted in the fact that I strive to walk in love daily. If any believer walks in love and repents daily of his or her sins, he is a sure candidate of heaven. Love is the greatest commandment in the Bible.

Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. 1 John 4:17

Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. Ephesians 1:4

nobody is like Jesus
we all commit sin
what we do is to pray that we will not commit sin on rapture day, because many people who think they are righteous will be caught on aware on that day

denisbid:
whether i die commiting sin or not, i am already in heaven by grace

read Matthew 5:20

denisbid:
i have heard Adeboye and Oyedepo saying that they are not even sure whether they will make heaven, Imagine.
what do you expect other billions corrupt Nigerian christians to say?

how are you sure you are going to make heaven? do you know if you will die commiting sin?

I mean, what a wayward generation that we are, and a. wayward blind religious leaders of this generation.
if you read Bible, people of the apostles days were more intelligent, having understanding of everything.

Iceflox:
Now that we are saved we do not have excuses anymore.
we cannot blame anybody for our failures,
we cannot blame juju, witchcraft, family house, etc.
we must take responsibility for everything that happen to us, be it bad or good.
no more church church and die by fire

that's true!
Christ has given us power to do and overcome..
But to overcome, we must learn first

paxonel:
exactly,
that's why i say if you were born into a christian home you are saved automatically.
remember, Eve was deceived to sin and death came to the world, But Jesus came, died and resurrected and restore back that eternal life that was lost
1 Tim2:14 says And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Tim 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
so, we are all saved in child birth
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ(Die as a christian, not as a Muslim or as anybody in other religion ), we believe that we shall also live with him(come back to life and live as christians, not as Muslims )
Because, there is no way we be born into an Islamic home and end up to be Christians.
we must be groomed by christian parents from childhood

Hmmm!
This now make a whole lot of sense,
you took a lot of time to come up with this?

paxonel:
when we die, we are buried just life a grain of corn or wheat is buried on the ground when they are sown.
And just like the grain germinates to a tree which has a body different from the grain previously sown, we will come back to life with a different body, such that when people see us, nobody will be able to know that we were the person that was buried .

ok,
that means, we will come through child birth?

paxonel:
that is their opinion,
like i said, opinion or what you say does not matter, it is what you do that matter.
For someone to enforce the arrest of Jesus, it means he was not a disciple, he did not believe.
But when Peter cut off his ear, what did Jesus did? He healed the man.
That implies that Christianity did not come to fight any other religion. So, if you are fighting you are on your own.
You are not fighting for Christ

15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
it seems to be like some kind of a parable,
i still do not understand it

paxonel:
we are saved from death.
imagine life without death,
It is called everlasting life.
John 3:16, For God so love the world,whosever believe should have everlasting life.
it's a beautiful thing.
Some people say they will soon get tired of life.Because of this, God has designed eternal life in such a way that we live aboundantly (continous life after death ) without we ourselves being conscious of what has been happening

How are we saved? i was asking this question the other day, what is resurrection,how are we resurrecting ?
But you did not answer me

Orunto:
Are you a Christian and you do not know how to be sinless?

no one knows how to be sinless,
everybody on earth commit sin