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Religion / Re: Chris Okotie Celebrates 62nd Birthday After Mocking TB Joshua by Flirtval: 10:43pm On Jun 18, 2021 |
OZEN'S. you are using death as an opportunity to mock someone know that you also will die one day and people will mock you. |
Religion / Re: Chris Okotie Celebrates 62nd Birthday After Mocking TB Joshua by Flirtval: 9:53pm On Jun 18, 2021 |
if you are using death as an opportunity to mock someone know that you also will die one day and people will mock you. |
Religion / Re: How My Husband Died — Evelyn, TB Joshua’s Wife by Flirtval: 10:00am On Jun 08, 2021 |
Any sin can be forgiven but a blasphemy against the Holy spirit cannot be forgiven. you'll surely pay for this blasphemy in Jesus name |
Celebrities / Re: COZA: Busola And Timi Dakolo's Press Conference (Live Updates) by Flirtval: 6:37pm On Jul 21, 2019 |
This fellow is paying for trivilizing God, can't play over God and get away, instead to have endure the trial and learn his lessons he quickly resign. What a shame. |
Romance / Re: How Do You Manage The Urge For Sex? by Flirtval: 6:39am On Jan 11, 2019 |
Most of our churches are operating without Christ-Like nature i.e the the HOLY SPIRIT and they keep on preaching the impossibility, Sexual desires in a setting such as our so called civilized world misled by westerners, can only be manage when one is Truly SAVED i.e Baptized with water and spirited filled. Believe it or not is a proven truth. |
Religion / Re: Your Creators [(religions' God(s)]are Multi-dimensional Humanoid Aliens. by Flirtval: 4:03pm On Nov 24, 2018 |
unfortunate victim of civilization, so sad how satan has succeded using men's intelligence against their very selves. Repent bro you can be an important instrument in the LORD'S vineyard, with just little out of the much energy you wasted trying to promote falsehood. |
Religion / Re: Your Creators [(religions' God(s)]are Multi-dimensional Humanoid Aliens. by Flirtval: 4:01pm On Nov 24, 2018 |
kokowe:unfortunate victim of civilization, so sad how satan has succeded using men's intelligence against their very selves. Repent bro you can be an important instrument in the LORD'S vineyard, with just little out of the much energy you wasted trying to promote falsehood. |
Romance / Re: Drunk Man Sexually Harassed By A Lady. But See How Nigerias Are Reacting Online by Flirtval: 6:34pm On Aug 01, 2018 |
I feel you bro, daz wot normally happens wen u opt to drink at Ashawo/street bars |
Food / Re: Lessel In Benue Where A Basket Of Tomatoes Goes For N150 by Flirtval: 10:57pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
madjam:It goes for much less than that, nothing to suprise about coz nothing cost down here, with just 50k you can start buying here and selling to other states @ more than 500% interest. |
Politics / Oil Marketers Disclose Reason Behind Fuel Scarcity (see Shocking Revelation) by Flirtval: 9:16am On Dec 09, 2015 |
Some oil marketers in Abuja
have predicted intense cases of
fuel scarcity in the coming days
across the country as well as
pin-pointing the major reason
behind the fuel shortage.
The fuel crisis took a dramatic
turn for the worse, yesterday, as
massive queues were seen in
almost all the petrol stations
selling the products in Abuja,
according to the Vanguard.
Also, some oil marketers, who
spoke to a correspondent, blamed
the prolonged scarcity on the
insincerity of the Federal
Government and called on
Nigerians to expect a further
worsening of the situation in the
days ahead.
This was after a slight
improvement was recorded few
days after the Senate approved the
supplementary budget which was
to be used mainly for payments of
subsidy claims to oil marketers.
Some marketers who spoke to a
reporter blamed the renewed
intensity of the crisis on the fact
that they are yet to receive
payments for their subsidy claims,
a situation that had made it
difficult for them to purchase the
product.
Specifically, one of the marketers,
who spoke on the condition of
anonymity, wondered what is
delaying the payment of the
claims, while he accused the
Federal Government of not
showing concern for the plight of
Nigerians.
The marketer disclosed that
Nigerians should expect tougher
days ahead, stating that if the
subsidy claims are eventually
paid, it would take days for oil
marketers to access the funds,
place order for the products, get
the consignment and start
distributing the products to all the
nooks and crannies of the
country.
He said:-
“Nigerians should hold the Federal
Government responsible for the
sufferings they are currently
passing through. This government
was aware of outstanding subsidy
claims from their first day in office,
but they had to wait for six
months, until Nigerians could no
longer bear the suffering in silence,
before they took any action”. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Music/Radio / Title Of This Song by Flirtval: 8:00am On Dec 06, 2015 |
I thought the title of this song by mavin "return my money, if i connect" would have been "connect", search on google but couldn't find it, who has the idea what the title is? |
Politics / APC Kogi Gubernatorial Candidate Prince Abubakar Audu Is Dead by Flirtval: 6:14pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
The gubernatorial candidate of the All Progressives Congress of the Kogi election held today, Abubakar Audu has died according to reports on Sahara Reporters. Mr. Audu reportedly died of undisclosed medical reasons. He died shortly after the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) declared his victory at the elections inconclusive. APC is yet to confirm his passing. Source: www.naijaexclusive.net/2015/11/breaking-apc-kogi-gubernatorial-candidate-prince-abubakar-audu-is-dead/ |
Politics / ISIS Funded By 40 Countries Including G20 Members – Putin by Flirtval: 3:38pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Russian President Vladimir Putin yesterday dropped a bombshell when he alleged that the dreaded Islamic State (ISIS) is being funded by 40 countries including some members of the G20 countries. Putin who spoke at the ongoing G20 meeting in Turkey said he had shared intelligence with the other G20 member states, which reveals that ISIS finances the majority of its terrorist activities with support from these countries and that, surprisingly, the countries include a number of G20 countries. He said, “I provided examples based on our data on the financing of different Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) units by private individuals. This money, as we have established, comes from 40 countries and there are some of the G20 members among them.” In addition to discussing the need to stop the flow of donor money to ISIS, Putin also reiterated the need to stop the illegal oil trade by ISIS. “I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products. The motorcade of refuelling vehicles stretched for dozens of kilometres, so that from a height of 4,000 to 5,000 metres they stretch beyond the horizon,” Putin added. The Islamic State makes about $50 million a month from selling crude from captured oilfields in Iraq and Syria, according to Iraqi intelligence and U.S. officials. A report by Business Insider said: “Oil sales — the extremists’ largest single source of continual income — are a key reason they have been able to maintain their rule over their self- declared “caliphate” stretching across large parts of Syria and Iraq. “With the funds to rebuild infrastructure and provide the largesse that shore up its fighters’ loyalty, it has been able to withstand ground fighting against its opponents and more than a year of bombardment in the U.S.-led air campaign.” Putin, who also addressed the press at the conference, went on to stress that an international coalition was needed to more effectively counter the terrorist group, noting Russia’s readiness to support the fight against ISIS. “Some armed opposition groups consider it possible to begin active operations against IS with Russia’s support. And we are ready to provide such support from the air. If it happens it could become a good basis for the subsequent work on a political settlement,” Putin said. “We really need support from the US, European nations, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran,” the Russian president added. Reports suggest that the Russian intelligence analysis of the 40 nations funding the ISIS terror machine were relayed to diplomats attending the G20 summit – but were not released to the media, nor the general public. “We will keep you updated if/when the names of the ISIS supporting states are leaked,” Putin said. Members of the G20 group of advanced countries are gathered at Antalya, Turkey, in the wake of the recent terrorist attacks in Paris, France, which claimed more than 129 lives, with over 300 injured. ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks. Source: www.leadership.ng/news/475170/isis-funded-by-40-countries-including-g20-members-putin CC: lalasticlala, ishilove
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Politics / FG Should Legalize Illegal Refineries Rather Than Destroy Them – Ben Bruce Says by Flirtval: 3:23pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
below is what he posted on his twitter account. Cc:Lalasticlala
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Career / Graduate Walks From Fed. Sec. To Nat. Ass. Looking For A Job (photos) by Flirtval: 9:58am On Nov 13, 2015 |
To finish school “Wahala”, To get a
Job “Palava”
This lady was spotted yesterday
walking around Abuja with that
sign over and asking for a job.
Kindly help her if you have a job
for her.
She looks like she really needs the
job.
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Career / How Realistic Is Recharge Card Printing by Flirtval: 9:20am On Nov 12, 2015 |
I have seen a lot of write up online of how possible it is to even start printing recharge cards, with just N15k, yet make gain, pls how is this realistic? |
Science/Technology / How Long Can I Withdraw After Bvn by Flirtval: 7:14am On Nov 12, 2015 |
Friends how long can I be able to withdraw after doing bvn with GT bank. I did it yesterday. |
Politics / Labourer Dies After Snake Bite At Enugu House Of Assembly by Flirtval: 8:48am On Nov 06, 2015 |
An unidentified manual labourer died after he was bitten by a snake at the Enugu State House of Assembly complex, LEADERSHIP Friday learnt yesterday.. According to a reliable source, the tragic incident was said to have occurred on Wednesday afternoon. The source said that the labourer, who hailed from Abakiliki in Ebonyi State and his colleagues were hired to clear the thick grasses that had taken over the House of Assembly complex. According to an eye-witness, while the labourers were clearing the overgrown grasses, they suddenly encountered a snake and frantically attempted to kill it. One of the labourers was said to have inflicted a deep cut on the head of the snake, and it convulsed in pain for some minutes and remained still. Thinking that the snake was dead, the labourers returned to their job, but before they knew it, the wounded snake moved swiftly and attacked one of them, biting him. The victim screamed in pain and fell on the ground, shouting for help. The other labourers immediately pounced on the wounded snake and finished it off before it could cause more damage. One of our sources at the House of Assembly said the victim of the snake bite was still breathing when he was taken away from the Assembly complex. It was gathered that he was rushed to Parklane General Hospital Enugu but as his condition continued deteriorating, he was relocated to one herbal home at Ugwuaji, a suburb of Enugu metropolis. The labourer died at the herbal home a few hours after he was brought there as the paltry N11, 000 brought by the House of Assembly was inadequate to save his life. The incident has thrown the entire Enugu House of Assembly into apprehension, with the staff now afraid of entering their offices. A male staff of the House of Assembly who pleaded anonymity blamed the incident on the lack of fumigation of the House of Assembly premises, which has remained bushy since the inception of the era of the current House led by Edward Ubosi as Speaker SOURCE: www.leadership.ng/news/472453/labourer-dies-after-snake-bite-at-enugu-house-of-assembly |
Music/Radio / Re: Top 20 Songs You Must Have On Your Playlist by Flirtval: 6:54am On Nov 06, 2015 |
ebukaddon:Can't hv any of these nonsense on my playlist |
Career / Pls Help Save My Career by Flirtval: 12:06pm On Sep 07, 2015 |
Growing was so fun, everything seems achievable in just little time and effort, however those days are over now as boys are now becoming men and plans has to be work for with all caution and consciousness in view to hitting the desired endpoint "success". straight to the point. I had passion for music and hope even it not now one day I'll be a super star, I wrote about thirty songs but only recently walked into studio to have one recorded, my encounter with the producer left me depressed hitherto, he actually admired my song but later advised me to change it so as to suit the beat he intend giving me, the truth is that I accepted but still prefer my version of the song. pls here are two versions of the song, kindly download the two listen and advice me on areas needed, the big question is can I make it? www.datafilehost.com/d/f97a3990 www.datafilehost.com/d/34dc4799 |
Music/Radio / Re: Rate This Two Songs by Flirtval: 10:16am On Aug 31, 2015 |
crazygod:kudos for downloading and taken time to comment, u ain't harsh but unfair with ur judgement |
Music/Radio / Rate This Two Songs by Flirtval: 8:31am On Aug 31, 2015 |
Pls help rate this two songs, both are at various of production. your advice could make it a hit. Rate on scale 1-10 1: www.datafilehost.com/d/f97a3990 2: www.datafilehost.com/d/34dc4799 |
Music/Radio / Pls Help Prove My Producer Wrong by Flirtval: 6:45am On Aug 30, 2015 |
I was at studio today and my producer told me no beat can fit my song, I hardly believed that but later yielded to his advice and recompose the song to suit his demand, pls download the two versions and kindly offer ur sincere advice follow nairanders. 1: www.datafilehost.com/d/f97a3990 2: www.datafilehost.com/d/34dc4799 |
Music/Radio / Pls Help Prove My Producer Wrong by Flirtval: 11:58pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
I was at studio today and my producer told me no beat can fit my song, I hardly believed that but later yielded to his advice and recompose the song to suit his demand, pls download the two versions and kindly offer ur sincere advice follow nairanders. 1: www.datafilehost.com/d/f97a3990 2: www.datafilehost.com/d/34dc4799 |
Music/Radio / Re: Pls Who Know The Title Of This Song by Flirtval: 9:07am On Aug 11, 2015 |
mperoakeem:Thanks bro |
Music/Radio / Re: Pls Who Know The Title Of This Song by Flirtval: 9:01am On Aug 11, 2015 |
Flirtval:its sang by a guy feat a lady accusing each other |
Music/Radio / Pls Who Know The Title Of This Song by Flirtval: 8:41am On Aug 11, 2015 |
I heard this song when I was sleeping, woke up and the only I could grab was " holy holy holy u no holy although, u too the lie' pls who who know the title and the artist. |
Politics / Soldiers Fighting Boko Haram Collect N49K As Monthly Salary? by Flirtval: 6:51pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
According to Kayode Ogundamisi, that is the reality of
Nigerian soldiers fighting Boko Haram.
Their daily feeding allowance is said to be N500. Sad!
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Religion / I Would Rather Burn In Hell Than Worship A Monster Called God by Flirtval: 9:23pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
Nigerian transgender Stephanie Rose, is full of hatred for
the Lord our God and is coming out again to insult him
and call him a monster.
Stephanie, who was born a man named Dapo
Adaralegbe, was expelled from the Obafemi Awolowo
University, Ife, where she was studying Law due to her
homosexuality. She later underwent surgery to become
a woman.
In her latest rant, she has taken to her Facebook page to
share a post by an avowed atheist, Amenhotep
Kingsagreed, where she thinks that God is the devil
himself.
Follow the jump to see what she says about God and
why she believes God is the devil as she quotes from the
Bible. (This is one of those times you’ll see why our
people say “even devil know Bible pass any man”wink.
See her Biblical claims below:-
“I’m amazed that people who claim to read and worship
the words of the bible tend to be so ignorant about just
what the bible says. I wonder how many of them know
that god is quoted many times in the bible admitting
that he is in fact evil. I will list those passages below.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make
peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which
he thought to do unto his people.
Joshua 23:15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all
good things are come upon you, which the LORD your
God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all
evil things.
Judges 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit
1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from
Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
2 Samuel 12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise
up evil against thee out of thine own house
1 Kings 9:9 …therefore hath the LORD brought upon
them all this evil.
1 Kings 14:10 Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon
the house of Jeroboam
2 Kings 6:33 …Behold, this evil is of the LORD;
2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of
Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem
and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears
shall tingle.
2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring
evil upon this place
Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not
our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?
Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire,
stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great
destruction.
Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil
upon this people
Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I
will bring evil upon them
Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil
Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of
hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah
and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil
that I have pronounced against them:
Jeremiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of
Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon
Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah
Jeremiah 45:5 …behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh,
saith the LORD
Jeremiah 49:37 …I will bring evil upon them, even my
fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword
after them, till I have consumed them
Micah 1:12 …. evil came down from the LORD
Micah 2:3 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold,
against this family do I devise an evil
So as you can see, Jehovah god admits that it is he that
does all evil, not some “fallen angel” who gets the
blame.
The reason Satan gets the blame is solely so that the
Christians can convince themselves that it’s not god
doing it. But if you claim that god is not capable of
committing evil acts then you are “giving false witness”
and committing “blasphemy” against god and his
character.
Now I ask you, why do you feel that this “god” is
deserving of worship? Even if you believe that he does
exist, after all he has done and all he admits, why would
you want to devote your life to him? Of all the men who
have lived not one of them can come close to the evil
that this god is. No one has caused as much death and
destruction that this god claims to have done.
It’s funny, the relationship that people have with this god
reminds me of battered wife syndrome. He’ll beat you
into submission, threaten you with terrible punishments
if you don’t comply, convince you that you deserve that
horrible treatment because your bad deep inside, then
tell you he only does it because he loves you. Actually
it’s not funny after all. It’s pretty damn sad.
Which ‘other uncontrollable devil’ is humanity searching
for when the creator and inventor of evil has declared
itself? The position of evil can not be checked because
the same God is the creator and inventor of all evil.
Evil started from the same hopeless and foolish God
because such useless and senseless God is evil. They do
not go to Heaven and they do not go to Hell fire, the
same God is the exact devil that deceived all religions
about an untrue Heaven and untrue Hell fire!
Hell fire is a fallacy of imagination. NO BODY GOES TO
HELL FIRE.”
Rose also has a book she has written titled: “NO BODY
GOES TO HEAVEN BECAUSE NO BODY GOES TO HELL
FIRE”. |
Religion / Re: BVN & The *666 Mark* by Flirtval: 2:30pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
u all criticizing shud read Rev. 13:16-18 |
Religion / How The Bible Splits Christians On Homosexuality by Flirtval: 2:49pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
American pastor Kevin DeYoung has just published a book called What does the Bible really teach about homosexuality? It's billed as a pastoral, compassionate and humble book, which looks at some of the key passages on homosexuality, and then argues (with grace, compassion and so on) that "homosexual behaviour is wrong". De Young might argue he's said nothing controversial. He is simply stating what has been considered the church's view on the subject for the past 2,000 years. However, he is now writing into a context in which a significant number of Christians disagree with that point of view ( this article gives a good example of how divided opinion is in the US). There are many who believe their very different reading of those passages is equally biblical. Matthew Vines' book God and the Gay Christian for example states that "Christians who affirm the full authority of Scripture can also affirm committed, monogamous same-sex relationships." There are many more who don't actually know what they think. They may know what the Bible says, but they're unclear what it means. So what do we do? I genuinely believe that a good place to start is to look at what both 'sides' actually believe, rather than caricaturing their position (eg all conservatives are homophobic bigots, all liberals have thrown the Bible out of the window and been swept along with culture). Those that have decided might think that giving both views equal weight is dangerous, as it suggests that both are equally valid (when clearly one is truth and the other is heresy). But I think there is nothing to be feared in investigating the arguments presented from the 'other side'. Doing so prevents us from becoming blinkered, and serves to sharpen our position and use of terminology. And since this is perhaps the definitive pastoral and missional issue of our time, simply not knowing probably isn't good enough. Below I've listed a basic version of how each 'side' of the debate classically views those famous passages which directly reference same- sex behaviours, presented without any intent of bias. It's also worth noting that there are many other passages which can be used to support both lines of argument; but these are the most popular and – as Kevin DeYoung has proved – the biblical territory on which this conversation is most often held. Note: in the list below I have decided to use the imperfect labels 'traditional' (to describe a pro-celibacy position) and 'progressive' (meaning pro-same-sex relationships). I acknowledge that some may find these imprecise, and therefore unhelpful. However, they are terms which we all understand in the context of this debate, and are probably the best way of presenting an unbiased explanation of the two general perspectives. I also understand that there are various versions of both positions, and that this is at best an approximation of how each group responds to Scripture in each instance. Genesis 1-2 The key phrase: 'The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh"...For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh.' (NIV) A traditional view: The creation story clearly sets up the family unit as one man, one woman. They're to be companions for one another, and they're told to 'be fruitful and multiply' (1:28), in order that the human race might flourish and the world become populated. God's intention is that Adam and Eve should have a family, who should in turn pair up with members of the opposite sex, and have a family of their own, and so on. There's no hint of a space in this worldview for same-sex relationships. If gay and lesbian people can't change their orientation, they should therefore remain celibate. A progressive view: The creation story is poetry (based on ancient Babylonian ideas), rather than a literal account – otherwise the next generation after Adam and Eve's would have been an incestuous one. Therefore, not everything written in it should be interpreted as literal fact and commandment. In addition, while this might be God's plan for many of us, there are a number of people in the world for whom 'being fruitful and multiplying' is not an option, including those who are unable to have children, and those who are called to singleness and/or celibacy; raising the question of how these verses should be interpreted by those who experience same- sex attraction. Genesis 19:1-11 The key phrase: 'They called out to Lot, "where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."' (NIV) A progressive view: The culture of Sodom was depraved, but not because of homosexual activity. Their desire was to dominate these visitors sexually – as was common after victory in battle; putting the vanquished foe in the place of a woman. When the Bible talks variously elsewhere about Sodom's sin, it describes it not as homosexuality, but injustice (Isaiah 1:10-17; Ezekiel 16:48-49). Simply put, this wasn't about homosexuality but brutality. A traditional view: The fallen city of Sodom was so depraved, that when strangers came to town, the men of the city immediately called for them to be brought out so that they could have sex with them. This demand for homosexual sex was another sign of how deplorable the culture of Sodom had become, and history now remembers this through language – sodomy became a word to describe homosexual sex; a hallmark of a fallen culture. Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 The key phrase: 'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death' (20:13, NIV) A traditional view: Sexual activity between two men is strictly prohibited in the 'purity code' handed out to the Israelites. While Christ's sacrifice removes the 'death penalty' mentioned in 20:13, the rule is still consistent with biblical teachings in the New Testament. A progressive view: Leviticus is full of rules involving subjects as diverse as mildew, tattoos, and where to go to the toilet, none of which are followed by non-Jews (or indeed by many Jewish people) today. ( However, conservative theologian James M Hamilton Jr writes, in his essay 'How to condone what the Bible condemns: Matthew Vines on the Old Testament', that "Read in context, the commands against same-sex relations in Leviticus 18 and 20 mesh perfectly with the moral order of creation presented in Genesis 1-2, correctly interpreted by Jesus in Matthew 19:4-5". A progressive view might also argue that in a culture where women were treated as property, the 'abomination' here was the act of a man being 'reduced' to the state of a woman by having sex with another man. Deuteronomy 23:17 The key phrase: 'There shall be no LovePeddler of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. (KJV)' A progressive view: The NIV translates very differently to the KJV – the verse becomes 'No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute'. There's obviously a world of difference between these two interpretations of the Hebrew word 'quadesh.' A liberal view is therefore that this verse has no bearing on the discussion around same-sex attraction. A traditional view: The King James Version of this verse implicates all gay men, whether they're engaged in casual sex, or in a committed monogamous relationship. Since Israel is a term for God's people – a family into which all have now been included – this applies beyond simply the Israelites themselves. Romans 1:26-27 The key phrase: 'Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error' (v27b, NIV) A traditional view: In Romans 1:18-32, Paul talks about God's wrath against the sinfulness of humanity, which, without the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, would send all of us to an eternal death. He lists many of those sins which would otherwise separate us from God, and includes – loudly and clearly – descriptions of both gay and lesbian sex. In an article for The Gospel Coalition, Kevin DeYoung writes of this passage that, "for Paul, the biological complementarity of the male-female union is the obvious order of things. A male-male or female- female sexual pairing violates the anatomical and procreative design inherent in the one flesh union of a man and a woman." A progressive view: In all his letters, Paul is writing to a specific group of people, at a specific time ( traditionalists would counter here that the principles he lays out are meant to outlive that cultural context ). Here, progressives say, Paul is writing in the context of a hedonistic culture where orgies were common. Heterosexual people 'abandoned' their natural, God- given sexual orientation and acted as if they were homosexual; one interpretation of the original Greek is that the problem is that they were not homosexuals, but heterosexuals acting in violation of their created order. By the same logic, it would be sinful for a homosexual person to engage in heterosexual sex. It's also important to note here that these orgies took away the structure of committed, long-term relationships, and abused God's intention for sex. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 The key phrase: 'nor adulterers, nor men who have sex with men... shall inherit the Kingdom of God (NIV).' A progressive view: The two Greek words which are translated here 'as men who have sex with men' are makakoi (translated in the KJV as 'effeminates' and arsenokoitai , but there are a wide variety of interpretations among scholars of both words. The latter is used in different ancient manuscripts to refer to temple prostitutes and even child abusers. The exact meaning has arguably been lost to history – meaning it's unethical to interpret this as a condemnation of homosexual relationships. 1 Timothy 1:9-10 involves the same issue of translation with the word arsenokoitai . A traditional view: Paul includes, in another list of unrighteous people like the one found in Romans 1, 'men who have sex with men'. He also includes drunkards and the greedy in this list, although they seem to get off more lightly in Christian culture. Nevertheless, Paul defines all these people as 'wrongdoers' whose sin – were it not for the sanctification of Jesus (v11) – would prohibit their entry into the Kingdom of God. Whatever conclusions you might personally draw on these passages, surely the important point is that all of us takes the time to read and pray through Scripture for ourselves, rather than simply relying on the scholarship or compellingly-worded opinions of others. The chasm of opinion between the two sides of the debate means consensus on the question is unlikely, but in the meantime, 'I don't know' is becoming an increasingly hollow response to those outside the church, and to the LGBT community. source: www.christiantoday.com/article/explainer.how.the.bible.splits.christians.on.homosexuality/53031.htm |
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