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folaski:
waoo! it is only reasonable to define atheists as people worshiping a god they don't know and who don't know they are worshiping.
shi ke nan.

dalaman:
Ghostofsparta said I have to be initiated into the Osanyi, I wouldn't want to do that. I just want us to test the effectiveness of the doll and the truth of the matter. That is all I want. You know where the doll is, you also have had a conversation with the doll as you said. Ghostofsparta claimed that the doll makes accurate predictions, you also claim the doll is an artificial intelligence doll. It should be able to accurately predict the election result of the states I listed and also the presidential election results if it is true. Go meet the doll and ask it to use what ever model it has and make its predictions. Publish it's predictions here for us all to see, when the final results of the election is published by INEC , we will compare and see, if it tally's then you have gotten a convert. It is that simple.

dalaman:
Why are you all worked up? I apologize for saying you have one. It was all a mix up, wanted saying you know a doll but mistakenly wrote you own one, but let us not dwell on that. If you truly know an Osayin and you claim to have had a chat with one, why not just go there chat with one and tell the doll to give you the election predictions that I outlined. Ghostofsparta should also take this challenge because he was more assertive than you. I don't need to do any investigation, I have given you a simple task, if you want me to take you seriously you should take up the challenge instead of bringing excuses. Osanyi chats with people and make predictions, if that is true it should predict the election outcome of the states I listed and the Presidential elections as well. It shouldn't be a difficult task for you. The burden of proof is on you not me, since you are the one making the claim.Take the challenge and prove that you aren't just making noise as usual.

dalaman:
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I knew it will be noise making as usual. You claim you have an artificial intelligence doll that can make predictions. You have been told to put your foot where your mouth is and all you can do is run away. When skeptics call your bluff you begin to complain. This challenge is very straight forward. Take it and shut us all up once and for all.

johnydon22:
let me try correct your misguided assertions one last time after which am done... The concept of God he is referring to clearly is the first two definitions in the google link you gave..

johnydon22:
Clearly yes atheists disbelief everything supernatural..
saying many believers in God (deity) do not believe supernatural is laughable cus this (deified) concept of God is defined to supernatural..

johnydon22:
Buddhist believe in devas, let us see what devas means Deva ( देव in Devanagari script) is the Sanskrit word for deity . so you see, it means deity and deity clearly is a supernatural entity.

johnydon22:
so such belief is absurd and someone that holds such a belief is in no way classified an atheist..

johnydon22:
Spinoza God is nature, that is his personal view..

nature is God is pantheism that is their personal view

Money is God is some religions as you assert, that is their view and should be applied universally cus you and i clearly know you do not agree with the concept of money being a deity..

Pr0ton:
I couldn't bear your doltishness. It's nasueating.

johnydon22:
Now here is where your confusion lies... Deifying ancient kings still doesnt make them deities.... its just a silly belief and the type we atheists reject.. gerrit?

johnydon22:
Clearly this your pantheic definition of God is missing from your link..remember you gave this link

johnydon22:
they are devas in buddhism which still is their belief and atheist reject such absurd beliefs...

johnydon22:
@bolded... it was talking about monotheic religions, their are thousands of them out there, clearly you only know of two (xtianity n islam) You need to read more boy

johnydon22:
It's your link and you brought up pantheism here, is it not weird how this pantheic God definition is missing from your google link definition of God?
Pantheism still falls into the dimension of belief...

johnydon22:
Now be a good boy and go do your homework.

johnydon22:
And this answers it all... i acknowledge the worth of my girl friend
But this doesnt imply she is a deity sheey you now grab

johnydon22:
Lolzz your comprehension is child-like...

The first two deified definitions, we say do not exist..

the third means a different thing
and so does the last....

Why dont you try and deify a theater gallery too since its called God too...

Pr0ton:
Typical of a silly bigot.

johnydon22:
And worship here means?

Pr0ton:
Atheism is the lack of belief in God(s)

Pr0ton:
Ok.. Lemme put it this way. It is the lack of belief in the supernatural.

Pr0ton:
I have a hard time with your "God is nature." I'd only accept that as a personal definition, but never as a standard definition.

Personal definition doesn't count in public argument like this. They only make sense in your own mind.

johnydon22:
You see how ignorant you can be even in your own argument?

1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler
of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.......[size=20] here God is defined in terms of monetheism, christianity, islam, babism, druze, cao daiand numerous other monotheic religious concept of God.. This definition pints to a supernatural being, that is a deity..[/size]


2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as
having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.[size=20] this definition encompasses a wider scope of deities dabbling into ploytheism concept of supernatural beings (deities)..[/size]

3. an adored, admired, or influential person...[size=20] And this is where your confusion lies.. this definition is purely humanized and not supernatural deified...[/size]
4. the gallery in a theater.…[size=20] and this definition is sorely material not humanized or supernatural (deified).. [/size]

So you see, these four definitions are very different from each other..Your problem is bringing your absurd belief that humans are Deity-like Gods and try to reconcile it with the 3rd definition..

So boy keep your belief to where it is belief...

Pr0ton:
Can you yourself draw out a sense from what you posted above?

Pr0ton:
He is just being biased in choosing words. He neglects other meanings and cherrypick the ones that fit his point, which doesn't have merit at all.

johnydon22:
That google have a definition of God as influencial person doesnt mean the person is a deity boy...

The first two definitions are deities, the third and last are not.. its quite clear from the definitions..

As for your link about humans being deities, that now falls to you superstitious belief... the bible said, yoruba spirituality said... lmao... thats exactly what atheist say we dont buy...

dalaman:
I just want to get to the truth of the matter. I am very very interested in the claim of the supernatural or African juju. I really want to tst its effectiveness and see how true it is. I don't want any claims and counter claims. All i want is to see it at work because I am really interested in it. You guys are the ones making the claim so the burden of proof is on you guys. I just want to make this very simple for us. I asked you to tell me what exactly the Osanyi doll does but ghostofsparta came and answered. He said the Osanyi communicates and makes predictions. I Google Osanyi and a topic came up on nairaland where I say you claim that the Osanyi doll is a form of artificial intelligence in your disccusion with other members.

I want to give you guys a simple task. Since you are making positive claims Osanyi which I do not believe or agree with , it is then up to you to prove your assertion. I want you and ghostofsparta to prove your case. I will give you guys a task to perform with the Osanyi and tell us the results here, if the Osanyi is real and true as you guys claim then you should be able to do this and prove we the skeptic wrong.

Here is a little preamble.

There is a guy in the United states called Nate Silver. He owns the FiveThirtyEight which a polling aggregation website. He is a statistician and pollster who takes polls and predicts the out come of election results in the united states. He does his polling and uses his statistics model to accurately predict the outcomes of elections in the United States. He very accurately predicted the 2012 USA presidential elections using his statistical model. For example he correctly predicted 36 of out the 37 governorship elections in the USA that took place in 2012. He used his model to accurately and perfectly predict not just the winner of the Presidential election but he correctly predicted the winner in each of the 50 states and the percentage of votes they will get. he accurately predicted the percentage of votes that President Obama will win and that of his rival Mitt Romney. He uses his statistical models to accurately predict election results. He is one of the most reliable pollsters in the USA. He isn't alone, there are other reputable Pollsters in the USA like Thomas Rasmussen, Drew Linzer, and Simon Jackman. These guys use their statistical models with the aid of computers to make very accurate election predictions.

Here is what I want you guys to do, since ghostofsparta claimed that Osanyin can not only talk but also tell me about future events like when my girl friend is going to come and visit me or if some kind danger is approaching me. I will like you guys to go and meet up and Osanyi doll or Osanyi priest and tell him to predict the out come of the 2015 Nigerian governorship elections in 12 states which I will list below. The Osanyi doll should tell you the party that will win and also the percentage of votes that each candidate will get in the votes that will be cast in the 12 states below.

1. Plateau state
2. Kaduna state
3. Rivers state
4. Ogun state
5. Adamawa state
6. Imo state
7. Lagos state
8. Taraba state
9. Kwara state
10.Benue state
11. Nassarawa state
12. Oyo state

The Osanyi should also predict who will win the presidential elections between President Jonathan and General Buhari .The dolls should also predict and tell us the correct percentage of votes each of the presidential candidates will get from the votes that will be cast.

If you guys are serious and truly believe in what you are saying and not just making noise for noise making sake, then you guys should take this challenge and tell us about the predictions the Osanyin doll (which you called an artificial intelligence ) will make. If the dolls predictions come out to be accurate like that of Nate Silver and other pollsters in the USA then we will have no choice but to believe you. You have from now till March 26th to tell us about the predictions of the doll. Thank you.

Pr0ton:
I see. Arguing with you would just be a waste of time. You took "of course we worship" and avoid "but then worship is ambiguous" to make your blind argument. You only dealt with one of the definitions of worship and discard any other definition because you knew it would make your argument absurd and make you look silly, which it, in fact, is now.

Worship means "to show respect for God, or a god, especially by saying prayers, singing etc"

Worship also means "to love and admire SOMEBODY very much"

The second definition was what I meant with "of course we worship", but you dishonestly forced the first definition into my mouth.

Clearly seen, the religious worship is different from the normal, as the former is spiritual and latter is natural.

"Yoruba says man is a spirit" doesn't give your argument any merit. We are arguing based on standard definitions, and not some biased beliefs.

johnydon22:
its very obvious four of them dont mean the same thing... thats all

johnydon22:
So the pantheistic definition is different from that of the dictionary huh?...lmao...

You dont even know the basis of your own argument..

DProDG:
Exactly...

@FOLYKAZE whether intentional or not that's what you're doing and there's no need going back and forward with this. If semantics and linguistics is your problem, I can't help you.

johnydon22:
The dude is just mixing up the God defined as deity and God defined as adore people together and he knows the flaws in it...

DProDG:
-Keep your sacrifices and rituals to yourself.

DProDG:
-Awesome, at least you saw the flaw in your logic.

DProDG:
-Quote me arguing against that.

All I've asked(3 or 4 times now) is to show me where a 'deity' is defined as an 'influential person'...that simple

johnydon22:
according to the google link you gave their are four distinct definitions of the word God...
God /ɡäd/
noun
1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler
of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as
having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

3. an adored, admired, or influential person.

4. the gallery in a theater.
.....

It is so funny how you left the fourth definition... the gallery in a theater is God too .

These four definitions means different things as seen above, their is nothing more to be added on it everything speaks for itself now..

johnydon22:
So which of the God definitions above does nature fall in?

johnydon22:
Now pointing out this number three clearly shows it is different from the first and second definition... here God strictly means someone who is adore, admired or influencial, nothing spirity ... We are now clear, the third definition is no way the same thing as religious concept of God..

johnydon22:
lmao... This guy like mixing up different meanings in one word... And who even said nature is God

DProDG:
I'm simply gonna repeat myself, just as I have done, several times...

The second has nothing to do with religion. As long as the person revered is [size=20pt]not considered a DEITY[/size].

DProDG:
lmao!
Dog = animal = fish
X = Y = 2
x = 2
Unless you consider a dog a fish, I hope you see the flaw in your logic.

DProDG:
Words have different meanings...
As long as 'deity' does not mean 'influential person' it's not the same as god(in this case).

johnydon22:
Good i commend you for that..

Your only problem is misconception...let me define God as defined by my dictionary..

noun
The single deity of various monotheistic religions.
The single male deity of various duotheistic religions.
An impersonal and universal spiritual presence or force.
An omnipotent being, creator of the universe (as in deism).
The (personification of the) laws of nature.
(Wicca) The Horned God

johnydon22:
So whether your bible, yoruba spirituality say man is a god, we atheist say it is a lie... nothing is a god.. their are no gods.. simple...

johnydon22:
Do you want to impose your idea that man is a god on atheists? lolzzz let it be known to you that we disbelief the idea of god or gods in any form it may come... man, mythology, objects...

johnydon22:
lmao... Spirituality is not mundane according to religion... Am guessing your own idea of spirituality is different huh?

johnydon22:
exactly thats the meaning of worship but we dont believe their are or nothing is a deity neither or do we believe anything is sacred in your terms... so how come?

johnydon22:
Lmao... calm down, stop this speeding and check your assertions again and you will see who is making noise..

DProDG:
-Anyone can consider anything a deity.

DProDG:
-Nope, worship in religion is...
"the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity."
another definition(which has nothing to do with religion) is...
"great admiration or devotion shown towards a person or principle."

DProDG:
-The first definition, yes...

DProDG:
-I acknowledge the worth of Hitchens so, yes.

DProDG:
-Please show me where a deity is defined as "an influential person".

johnydon22:
Their are no deities, that is the basic stance of atheism... be it a mythical deity, a tree, snake etc... Atheists dont believe in any diety..

johnydon22:
Am guessing if you are a buhari or goodluck fan, yoy worship them huh?

johnydon22:
Like i said earlier, i worship my parents.. it doenst make them deities..
definition of deities:
noun (plural deities)
mythology religion A preternatural or supernatural human or non-human being or entity, or an object that possesses miraculous or supernatural attributes, powers or superpowers (e.g. a god or goddess).
mythology religion The divine character of a divinity.
mythology religion A being, entity or object revered as a god or goddess.

johnydon22:
Catholics worship pope, if you are wizkid fan you worship wizkid, if you revere 2face then you worship two face.. Taking such things as acknowledging worth of something or a person to mean worship is a big fallacy and such a big hole in your argument cus you too will then said to be polytheistic.

johnydon22:
Can you point out these dieties?

nawa oooo

Pr0ton:
We are in the era where bonafide boneheads become ubiquitous... such as this one

Pr0ton:
I can see your illetracy is getting dangerously high. What does deity mean to you? god/goddess. And how is man a god in the religious(supernatural) sense?

Pr0ton:
Of course we worship. But then worship is ambiguous. Ours is carnal. Yours is spiritual See the difference?

Pr0ton:
Nah. You shut your mouth. You are an academic embarrassment. People I call [size=20]ODE[/size]

Go and learn.

DProDG:
This is a quote from my previous comment...


This is from yours...


Do you even know what you're arguing against?

An 'atheist' that worships a deity is not an atheist. That should be obvious.

kimco:
Don't be like dat. The burden of truth lies with those who claim it potency not those who deny it. I believe in juju ( in some cases) however I too haven't seen it in action. I'd like a video atleast to wet my appetite. How about a video of the juju taking out one acre of land and making it float in the air. Shouldn't be so hard.

Pr0ton:
We are in the era where bonafide boneheads become ubiquitous... such as this one




I can see your illetracy is getting dangerously high. What does deity mean to you? god/goddess. And how is man a god in the religious(supernatural) sense?




Of course we worship. But then worship is ambiguous. Ours is carnal. Yours is spiritual See the difference?



Nah. You shut your mouth. You are an academic embarrassment. People I call [size=20]ODE[/size]

Go and learn.