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Maynman:
Lol, this is a shorter version.
We have king of the Jews(Christ) and we have Son of Father (Bar Abbas), they are the same person.

LordReed:
So basically you were traumatised into becoming single. Weird flex but ok.

Mirasteel:
Russia sold Alaska for a dirt cheap price and years later oil and gas were discovered on the land and presently major oil and gas reserves are found in the Alaska worth billions of dollars.

ruggedtimi:
it would have been a russian territory by now. So they can build a nuclear program on alaska and launch nuclear warheads from alaska considering the close promixity to the u.s mainland

Mirasteel:
Russia biggest mistake ever

SIRTee15:
U will do well to mind your business and not put mouth in what u know nothing about
Did u reprimand your fellow atheist degrading response...no. hypocrite.

I will call u out if u declare my faith a myth because it's not. Your response is irrelevant.
Maybe if other Christians do justice I will let u be.
because I'm neither obsessed with the nairaland nor anybody here.
Unlike your fellow atheist who has turned himself into a pest and cant breathe without calling my name or insulting it.

FxMasterz:
This very does not in anyway point Yahweh as the son of God.

You need to try harder and find the verse justifying the claims you alluded to.

SIRTee15:
Genesis 22.13
Maybe I should read the book critically b4 calling it a myth.

13 Then Abraham looked up and saw a ram caught by its horns in a thicket. So he took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering in place of his son. 14 Abraham named the place Yahweh-Yireh (which means “the Lord will provide”). To this day, people still use that name as a proverb: “On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.”

FxMasterz:
This very does not in anyway point Yahweh as the son of God.

You need to try harder and find the verse justifying the claims you alluded to.

Maynman:
Dead Sea scroll.
Deuteronomy 32:8-9

FxMasterz:
Will you please point to that Bible verse where Yahweh declared Himself as one of the sons of God? I'll be waiting earnestly for this.

FxMasterz:
In a sense, the Israelites are Canaanites too since Abraham spent most of his later life in Canaan. During those times, he influenced many friends, some of them such as Moreh were very prominent people. They even assisted him in the way against Chedorlaomer and the 3 other kings. He influenced 300 servants of his, including Eliezar of Damascus. He married several wives after the death of Sarah and had many children. Each of these know the God of Abraham. They became nations with varying degrees of knowledge and understanding of the God they serve. Over time, they could evolve several ideologies regarding the God they serve. This one of the 70 sons of El is just one of such ideologies.

SIRTee15:
Ask your parents

SIRTee15:
I wasn't active in religious section when above happened.
However, I already did a good job of curing so many ignorant claims by u atheist here on nairaland and will continue to do so.
U guys have nothing on the bible, worse off with the new testament which is the foundational basis of Christianity.

Your comment of Yahweh being a desert god already expose your shallow knowledge of old testament history

Yahweh was known as a deity in the levantine region even before Israel nation came into existence.
There was some knowledge of Yahweh in the mesopotamian region where Abraham came from, Yahweh wasn't the main deity and was generally viewed as a fringe/lesser god.
Laban, Abraham's nephew worshipped Yahweh amongst his other idols because that's what he knew.
Nahor, Terah and their ancestors may have known Yahweh is some capacity but not fully.

Abraham was the first man to fully worship God properly in contemporary recorded history era and he passed this down to his children.
That doesn't stop other levantine nations from knowing Yahweh or worshipping him in some unacceptable ways they dim it fit.

SIRTee15:
Was the king illness cured by Daniel? Maybe

FxMasterz:
Let's set the records straight.

There's a city in Palestine called Jerusalem. There are still others like Bethlehem, Galiliee, etc. These are very ancient cities. If Israel had no land in Palestine, why do these lands have Hebrew names? Why is it that Biblical sites and artifacts are being uncovered there by archeology. Perhaps I didn't understand your point. Kindly clarify.

It's understandable if the kings of Egypt called the Israelites Sashu and wanderers. They were actually wanderers when they came into Egypt. They had no nation according to the Bible. They were 70 in number who came in from Luz in Mesopotamia. They wandered until they settled briefly in Luz, also called Bethel. During the seven year famine, they found their way into Egypt as a family of 70 people who came for assylum in Egypt on the invitation of Pharaoh. Jacob their father, an old man at the time was also in the company. So, a family that later grew into a large population after long stay in a place would certainly be given a name by the indigenes. It's
no brainer that the Egyptians call them Sashu. They were wanderers before coming to Egypt. Became sojourners while in Egypt, and became Israelites after leaving Egypt.

Now, is Yahweh a desert God simply because He's worshipped by desert people (Edomites, Moabotes and Ammonites) ? No. Note that Israel, Edom, Moab and Ammon were brethren. They all worship Yahweh but have varying understanding of Him. Each depict Him differently. Abraham was the grandfather of both Edom (Esau) and Israel (Jacob). Abraham was the father figure of Lot through whom the Moabites and the Ammonites descended. All serve the same God through the influence of Abraham but have varying knowledge of Him. Some of them even have a depiction of Him as an idol. All of these nations were Canaanites. So, the depiction of Yahweh as a Canaanite God is well understood. However He's not.

SIRTee15:
Primary source for something that happend more than 2500 yrs ago.
Do u know when the cylinder edict was found? 1879.

My primary source is the Septuagint that was written 250 yrs after the said event.

Now bring your own primary source that says Persian king do not issue further decrees to reiterate given edicts.

SIRTee15:
What do u think they depicting when they say someone ate grass. Can someone in his sane mind eat grass.
A Babylonian king was in that state of mind.

SIRTee15:
A Babylonian king actually ate grass though not Nebuchadnezzar.

SIRTee15:
And who told u the Cyrus decree in the book of Ezra is meant to be the same as the edict in the Cyrus cylinder.

When did Cyrus issue the cylinder edict? He gave it after conquering Babylon and ordered it to be buried into the ground in Babylon.
It was an example of general verdict given by Persian kings after conquering a city to stamp their authority.

So u saying he couldn't have given further specific decree in pursuant of his earlier policy of deportee returning to their homeland and building the temple.

Is that what u saying?

Here is another extra biblical source depicting the policy of Jews returning to their homeland as ordered by Cyrus. From flavius Josephus, antiquities of the Jews.

SIRTee15:
I don't know your background so I'm not here to discuss theology with u.
I'm here to debate historical fact. I mentioned u because u claimed Jews exiles returning to Jerusalem was a myth which in all practicality your claim makes no sense.

The Cyrus cylinder is evidence Cyrus gave an edict that deportees are to return home and to restore their religious temple.
Of Jews were exiled in Babylon during the time Cyrus conquered Babylon, then the verdict applies to them.
Simple.

SIRTee15:
Which prophecies. I'm not here to discuss theology but historicity.

[30] brought their heavy tribute before me and in Babylon they kissed my feet. From [Babylon] to Aššur and (from) Susa,

[31] Agade, Ešnunna, Zamban, Me-Turnu, Der, as far as the region of Gutium, the sacred centers on the other side of the Tigris, whose sanctuaries had been abandoned for a long time,

[32] I returned the images of the gods, who had resided there,note to their places and I let them dwell in eternal abodes. I gathered all their inhabitants and returned to them their dwellings.

[33] In addition, at the command of Marduk, the great lord, I settled in their habitations, in pleasing abodes, the gods of Sumer and Akkad, whom Nabonidus, to the anger of the lord of the gods, had brought into Babylon.

2 “This is what Cyrus king of Persia says:

“‘The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth and he has appointed me to build a temple for him at Jerusalem in Judah.
3 Any of his people among you may go up to Jerusalem in Judah and build the temple of the Lord, the God of Israel, the God who is in Jerusalem, and may their God be with them.
4 And in any locality where survivors may now be living, the people are to provide them with silver and gold, with goods and livestock, and with freewill offerings for the temple of God in Jerusalem.’”

Emusan:
Waooo just waoooo.

So in your own understanding a wanderer doesn't have a place of birth

Besides, in which year was that remark was made by Pharoah?



You claimed Israel worshipped Yahweh and you provided a Bible verse that says God comes from so so place.

I pointed to you that, that's not Israel.

So who in his right thinking mind will equate worshippers with the object being worshipped?



I want archeological evidence that shows where Israel first located.

A wanderer musty have FIRST location.

The first case of wanderer in the Bible was that of Cain yet Cain still have specific location before becoming a wanderer.



Says the genius who doesn't know a wander must have a specific location before becoming one and a wanderer have the ability to conquered an established cities with mighty armies

KnownUnknown:
Were the “prophecies” written after the fact. Yes or N

SIRTee15:
Did the Cyrus declaration states that deported people in Babylon be repatriated. Yes or No.
Did the Cyrus declaration ordered the restoration of temples and religious cult of people destroyed by Babylon. Yes or No
Were Jews exiled in Babylon or u want archeological evidence of that too.

Mr Man u have no point.

Emusan:
But it's the same Bible you made reference to



because you never support your claim with any fact.



Wanderers who fell from sky

Does this even make sense to you?

SIRTee15:
Who debunked Cyrus declaration as propaganda?
Have u heard of the Cyrus cylinder?

And who told u cannanites are today's Arab Palestinians?

U would do well not to allow sentiments cloud your reasoning. Do objective research b4 forming an opinion.

Emusan:
But this peace will not reign because Bible already told us how it will end.

You see the reason why you need to be open minded about reading Bible in other to understand what is going on now.



Which mean you lied that you have read that article thousand times

So, I asked again, where was Israelites before occupied that land?

Maynman:
"A land flowing with honey and milk", who no want better thing 😂

Emusan:
Waoooo so you just come to this realisation despite claiming you've read that article thousand times

Maynman:
This is very easy to see but because they have been indoctrinated with Jewish beliefs they are blind to it.

Conscience is Overrated.