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Emusan:
So no evidence, that's good.

You have been cornered

On a serious note, Israelites were the provocateur here. They are not only stealing but maiming, destroying innocent lives, committing genocide.

Emusan:
Which bull crap?



So why did you provide Hab 3:3 as your evidence of Isreal wandering?

It is tenable. Nope?

Maynman:
Yahweh is Israel inheritance given to him by his father, EL, he always called himself god of the Israelites.

Yahweh was elevated to national god during the reign of Hosiah. This is when the propaganda called Torah was written

Emusan:
Is Yahweh and Israel the same?

Just see the way you just boycotted all my questions

Spare me the bull crap.

Who are the worshipper of Yahweh? Egyptian Pharaoh Amenhotep III didn't have a name for them but simply called them Shasu (nomadic). They only got to be known as Israel when they had contact with Canaanites. El is the God of Canaan and adopted Yahweh as one of his seventy sons

Emusan:
Who existed or not existed?



Which means David didn't conquer Jerusalem, right?

I do not have the strength teaching you what historical fiction is

Emusan:
Smile...

Well, the verse you quoted isn't about Israelites. It's about God.

Do you then mean there's archeological evidence that Yahweh exists?

Nope.. The traces of Yahweh to Seir, Edom, Paran and Teman gave an insight about who the people known as Israel today were... Shasu

It is generally accepted that the term Shasu means nomads or Bedouin people, referring primarily to the nomadic or semi-nomadic peoples of Syria-Palestine. There are two significant hieroglyphic references in New Kingdom period texts to an area called 'the land of the Shasu of Yahweh.'

Emusan:
So we're back in what Bible says now.

I asked for EVIDENCE you provided Bible verse.

Do you now agree that Bible is evidence on it's own?

So that we can continue.

That is scholar deductions stemming from Bible. There is archaeological evidences too that shows Yahweh is a desert God worship by some wanderers

Emusan:
Why answer question with question?

On this particular point.

Was David who conquered Jerusalem fiction or not?

David is an historical figure. The kingdom of Israel ruled by David is a glorified village and doesn't exist

Emusan:
Provide the evidence.

But you agree that David wasn't fiction, right?

Habbakuk 3 Verse 3 begins a section that says, “God came from Teman, and the Holy One from Mount Paran.

Israel were wanderers and only got the name when they arrived Canaan

Emusan:
Folykaze did you read this?

Which means it was never conquered by David.

Is it that you don't know legends weeve history and tales together?

Emusan:
So where was David and his people dwell before conquered it?

They were wanderers

Emusan:
That video is pure lie.

Even Al-Jazeera knows the truth.

Check out this [url=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2003/12/9/the-history-of-jerusalem#:~:text=Archaeological%20work%20in%20the%20area,ancestors%20to%20present%20day%20Palestinians]ARTICLE[/url] from the same Al-Jazeera. Imagine saying David invaded Jerusalem even though this was 1000BC.

Oga go and read

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jebus

Emusan:
But you saw the evidence of Isreal occupying the land.

Maynman has shown you how David invaded Jerusalem. Conforming with the claim of Palestinians that they are the original owner of that space

Maynman:
It was inhabited by who?
Jerusalem predates your isrealites.😂😂
I don't think you even understand the "archeological evidence" you are bringing.

I have a thread coming up on jeru and Salem

Brutality

Emusan:
Definitely you didn't read it. If not you won't asked this question.

I have read it a thousand time in the past. It didn't inform me how Israel is the original owner of the space they occupied.

Emusan:
A Merneptah Stele was discovered which read "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not."



It's not. Be open minded.

How does this proof they owned the occupied space...

FxMasterz:
I don't even search for Palestinian contents. I watch Aljazera more than any other news channel, and I've never seen the said video.

I saw the video on Al Jazeera today.

Emusan:
I don't have the true story but can read this Wikipedia which includes the archeological evidences.

How does this proof that Israel owns the whole of Palestine and they are not the invaders?

FxMasterz:
I'm not saying both sides are not hateful. They both are.

I've never seen any video as the one you claimed. If such a video exists, then, it could be that of some extremists because both Israelis and Palestinians know they do not own the whole territory.

That is because you want to see only content that vilified Palestinians..

Emusan:
Can fiction be discovered by archeologists?

Yet you'll be saying we should be truthful to ourselves.

Tell me what was discovered that conform the bible histograph.

From Genesis to Babylon exile is a concorted fairy tale

Emusan:
Historically, you know this is not true!

Palestinians rejecting the two state solution is tending towards Biblical fulfilment.

Show us the true history

FxMasterz:
The claim of them owning the whole place is premised on the fact that they don't want Isreal's existence at all. It is an enmity that has been there for millennia. It didn't start in 1948. That's why the two state solution is rejected by Palestinians. The want the whole place. The standard is 'Death to Israel.' Have you ever seen Israelis shouting 'Death to Palestinians'?

Yes. I saw videos where Israelites attacked Palestinians with a knife and shouting they own the whole territory. Reiterating that those who cannot abide by the seven law of Torah should be exiled or killed. Both sides are hateful.. Let us be sincere here

Emusan:
But a book documented it. What does that tell you?

People write fictions

Emusan:
People of Isreal.



Archeological evidence of person like David.



I don't believe it because I've been to Zuma rock times without number.

But there's archeological evidence of people of Isreali as stated in the Bible.

Will you deny that?

What exactly?

David skeleton or the kingdom that have no traces of evidence

Emusan:
Stay on the topic.

People of Isreal.

Take your own advice

FxMasterz:
If we look at the land 2000yrs back in time, what the Palestinians said is partially true.

Places like Gaza, Ekron, Askelon, Gath and Ashdod were all Palestinian lands. Israel occupes some of those places today. Meanwhile, places like Jerusalem and other ancient Israeli lands are today under Palestinian occupation. So, the dividers of the land actually muddled up the whole thing, giving Israel some Palestinian lands and also giving some Israeli lands to Palestinians. There's no way there'll be no conflict. However, the Palestinians are not even after recovering their own ancestral lands. What they want is the total annihilation of Israel.

Total annihilation of Israel, that is another dimension.

The real contention here, you admitted there is no way there will be no conflict, guess even with the two state solution been proffered by outsiders.

The argument on the sides of the Palestinians is that own the whole space Israel people occupy today..

Emusan:
But there's archeological evidence which actually supported the Biblical story.

Like the Cyrus declaration or the Exodus that have been debunked as theological propaganda?

FxMasterz:
Israel actually accepted for the land to be divided. The Palestinians said no. They just want Israel extinct, always shouting "Death to Israel."

CC: ll

I learnt that from somewhere yesterday and also learned how the West Bank is partitioned into three with the two nation taking control of two sides, while the third side is controlled co-jointly. I may be wrong though.

But the Palestinians are claiming Israeli occupied their land. That they are the original owner of those spaces occupied by Israelis today. If this claim is true, why would you even think Palestine should side their properties to 'aliens'?

Emusan:
I don't see complexity in this if we're to be actually be truthful to ourselves as humanity.



Reading throughout the History, Isreal always mentioned far back before Assyrian exile.



The truth is Israelites occupied that region even Bible documented this well.

And Bible also said they were despised abroad because of their disobedience to God and God will still bring them back.



Al-Jazeera is even recent, Bible has already concluded on that and what we're seeing now is just a tips of an iceberg.



Two state solution will work but just as what happened to Pharoah (when God hardened his heart), the people of Palestine must fulfill the prophecy concerning that too.

These are things that supposed to give you people clear understanding of God's Sovereignty in our world but you people will still not pay attention.

Emusan longest time Buddy.

I understand this is posted in a religion thread but I wouldn't want us to handle this from the religious angle. We can employ history, anthropology, archaeology and other veritable points to discuss. Also note, we are on this forum for years so I will not indulge in unnecessary argument. I am not siding neither the Jew or Palestine but advocating for peace, the damages on live is just unbearable.

Looking into the heated hatred between the two nations, and the knife they kept at their necks, how do you conclude that two state solution will bring the needed peace to that region?

KnownUnknown:
The whole world heading towards nuclear extinction because some greedy people insist that their imaginary friend gave them the land. Perfect summarization of humanity.

Animals too fight over territories among themselves. Just that we weeved God into our own delusion

LordReed:
If both Arabs and Jews were living in the land why is a 2 state solution not the feasible path to end the conflict?

Lord Reed.

This issue is very complex. It is difficult to have a clear cut of who lived, or are the aborigine of the current Israel state when we go back to Assyrian exile. Because the Israel we know today is not an entity but a community that lived among Canaanite who are known today as Palestinians.

Watching some documentary on Al Jazeera recently, I think the engraved hatred on both sides will not give room for two state solution. I saw some Jew quoting Torah and insisting that Israel state is their land, they owned and inherited the space from God, and that any non jew who cannot abide by the seven laws should be exiled or killed.

I mean these guys follow a particular rabbi, burnt an eight month child, openly attacked Arabs with knife, brandishing guns and even attacking Israeli securities because they don't believe in democracy. They are so convinced and determined that they will conquer and occupy all the God given land.

So how can two state solution works when both sides do not agree to accommodate each other? It is just like putting enemies in a cage. That is fight till death.

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