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Op, you actually sound like a mental patient.

mrZENographer:
Follow me to THE LORD'S CHOSEN CHARISMATIC REVIVAL MOVEMENT CHURCH and you will never get bored serving God but be revived. Lets connect. pm me.
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Many churches today are a disappointment and are instrumental to making many people conclude that there is no God or arrive at ungodly conclusion to their own detriment. This is the literal work of the enemy of God, Satan and his numerous agent: humans and demons. To spoil churches and make its goers to become vain.

Lord's choose members are the most delusional of them all. I feel you are a very wicked person for inviting the OP there. Have you seen them on the streets? They look so wretched and forsaken, wearing that dirty unkempt vest like confused people. I see no difference with these people and beggers.
Have u seen them publicising their crusades. They hire dirty trucks with ancient looking bands and sing local songs, sharing poorly made fliers on the streets. Their Young girls look old and haggard, their men poorly dressed. I mean, what's it with them and that off coloured vest anyway. Whose idea is that!! Only that vest is a sign that they don't know Jesus.
And when they preach on buses... They always talk about sex like sex starved people.

Pls Op, don't go there... Those people need to get a life.

Reyginus:
Lol. I'm not arguing for the existence of God but simply how Atheism is Logical? Is that too much for you?

So what's illogical about someone asking you for evidence of a claim and rejecting the claim until proven to be fact?

Reyginus:
Okay. I agree. But how's Atheism Logical?

Prove your God exists already... If not park well. You can't be asking if atheism is logical just because it's asking you for evidence of the existence of Yahweh.

I really don't know why you are making so much noise, the simple thing u need do is ask your God to prove himself ymto doubters or ...

says a man who cannot handle his wife. This man has no right to teach anything on marriage issues

Gpdwise:
I believe there is a way to explain God to him and I just realise that we Christains including me have taken God for granted by just relying on the bible alone as prof that God exist which to me is not right. My people perish for lack of knowledge and its true. I ve become an atheist and a demon overnight because I asked a ? but one thing I must achieve on this platform is to get what I want and that will be to explain God to my Brother

Why is it ur duty to explain God to the kid? Did God beg u to do that for him? Why can't he do it himself?

So since you cannot explain God to a six year old, how did you convince yourself that he exists?

sonofluc1fer:
Bloda, e tire me.

U dey Owerri? Na eri ri ji things this weekend o. @freecocoa hw far?

Nah, I am in lag... Re u from mbaise?

SOL. comeooooo

Are u possessed with demons? Lol

Christians can be funny sha

Lol... Sol is a cool guy who knows Lucifer does not exist as well as your imaginary God who foolishly created it.

Op what's ur fear?

Look at how explaining God, the creator of heaven and earth, the all powerful and all knowing being, to a six year old is difficult... Yet Religious folks and reason and ask themselves question.

If God cannot reveal himself to an inquisitive 6years old, how useless can he be?

Great thread... Addicted to it

QuentinDay:
Potentially fẹjumọ leads murder, fẹjumọ leads to armed robbery, fẹjumọ leads to car-jacking, fẹjumọ leads to etcetera

Hunger leads to armed robbery too, is hungerr bad?

QuentinDay:
Let's break it down for you then.

Will you be pleased if someone covets and/or lusts after anything that is yours.

Covetousness is wrongly desiring someone's else wealth, possession etcetera

Covetousness is the mother of lust.

Why don't you imagine having and driving your own car, instead of imagining driving someone's else car or to "fejumo" someone's else car

Too many unnecessary rules, that's why you guys are always at loggerhead with each other.

If you have a dirty car wretched car or ugly flat assed woman with anyone wish to have it? Why buy build a beautiful house only to get angry when someone wishes it was theirs?

I see a girl with a nice ass or a sweet ride and wish it was mine, ur God puts me in herll for that.

How does one admires something without lusting for it? There are emotions we are helpless to.

I see a person's sweet ride and wish I was driving mine... Is that not the same thing? Why should u wish u were driving ur own car after seeing another's car? Who are we deceiving here?

My area

MizJanet:
then that means you are the fool for saying man is in the image of your god in the flesh !
, in the flesh the parts tongue, breast , vagina and penis are present ... so its necessary to ask if god have this too to validate your statement .

Can u imagine how he has made a mess of his own thread. Someone claiming to teach us how to overcome fear of hell fire does not even understand anything about it.
I just wonder what God does with his spiritual penis... Lol

honourhim:
The same you that does not believe in anything outside the physical is the one telling me how a spirit should be. Shows the hypocricy in your claim of atheism. You dont believe in God, you dont believe in spirits and spiritual realm yet here you are telling me how spirits should be? Hypocrisy.

Lol... Telling u what? I am asking u questions to show u how foolish u sound... I think u saw ur stupidity that why you are trying to assume u know not what I am talking about. Does spirit shyte?

honourhim:
God is a spirit.So you mean God is a smoke that cannot talk?
Angels are spirits. So you mean angels are smokes that cannot talk?
Satan and demons are spirits so you mean they are smokes and cant talk?
Stop deceiving yourself.

Don't mind him, he means God is a smoke that cannot shhiiittt... How the hell can a mere mortal think that the almighty God cannot shyte.

honourhim:
I have told you that your spirit is exactly you but not in the physical. Asking me about tongue as if its not part of you makes no sense.


And may be you can explain to me how a spirit (God, angels etc.) can talk well without tongue.

Oga professional in spiritual matters... Touch your tongue , is it spirit or flesh... ? Do you think spirits eat? Ot drink stout?

honourhim:
Oh so in your belief a spirit is not supposed to have a tongue. How come the angels speak? They are spirits. God is a spirit, how come he speaks? Satan is a spirit how come he talks and will be tormented with his angels at last in the lake of fire? The demons that Jesus cast out in one the mad men he encountered screamed and asked Jesus why he has come to torment them. But demons are spirits. How come that some people that Jesus cast out demons from them when the demons were leaving they tore the persons garment and pushed him down. But they are spirits.

Loooooool!!! So without tongue, spirit and even your God cannot talk? Do spirits also have intestine to digest their food? Sorry, do spirits go to toilet?

I can't stop laughing here... See tears for my eyes. Sir, abeg does spirit like Amala and goat meat too? Lol

MizJanet:
Mtchew, Teeth is not physical ?

Lol... Did u forget that they need teeth to eat heavenly chicken

honourhim:
You think your soul is just one shapeless thing different from you? Then you are missing it bigtime. Its exactly you as you are but not in the physical body. Thats just the difference.

Lol... Soul get teeth? Loooool I forgot, you guys need teeth to chop heavenly chicken

OP... the fact that you are over coming Allah's hell does not mean it does not exist. Allah will still burn u blasphemy you spew every day the God has a son.



in my own opinion the two people that deserve hell are Yahweh and Allah.

Owliver:
so what is the first cause?

Seriously?

Owliver:
where did you see me say we should worship the first cause? pls show me.

if you have never met your father does that erase the fact that you must have a father dead or alive? pls be real.

if you argue God in a religious perspective you won't believe trust me I have been there. search God(the first cause) outside religion and you'll understand.

you atheist are just not agreeing to the religious definition which me2 don't agree giving all the contradictions. I totally understand that. but saying there's nothing(great cause) does not erase the nothing(great cause), if something can come out of nothing then that nothing must be something intelligent enough to be supreme. religious people call it God.

Declare what u are... An atheist, deist or theist let me know so that I wouldn't be second guessing u...
Who said something comes out of nothing... Is first cause a certainty? What if the universe has, by some means we can't understand, always just existed?

Just stop making up stories of what u don't know

kilo4sure:
I didn't say l now know, l'm only saying that l deduced this from the fact that matter, space, and time itself all began with the big bang.

Just a deduction and we are actually arguing?

I see no relationship between matter, space and time beginning with big bang and first cause being eternal and timeless

kilo4sure:
Cool so you agree there's a first cause but you don't know what it is, and you are still learning. Then there's no need for this argument. Religion and science albeit in different ways are methods by which we search for this first cause. It seems you don't just like the name God; no problem l would no longer use that term with you, but rather l would just call it the first cause.

Of course the first cause theory is just one of many guesses... What if the universe is eternal... What if it has always existed? Remember this is a realm the human mind is yet to understand... A simple I don't know is a perfect answer to something we actually know nothing about

Owliver:
hmm I am not an atheist. I was once though. it made me ask questions that almost made me mad. it took me a great deal to kill the fear. even the fear of death.

see my friend, I don't believe in a best religion. but every one of them is pointing to God. differently.

when you say you do not know it means there's something to know. the fact that you do no know can't erase the fact that there's something to know. that something to know is what people have defined as God. the great cause, the great nothing, Allah, Elohim, Yahweh. these are just terms.

if you research His outside religion you'll find it\him\her whatever it is... I acknowledge it.

even if aliens come there will still be questions. where do they come from. and if they come from outside time there will be another question who created outside of time. there will be infinite questions. and all this will land at one great nothing(God).

then there will be another question. who created the great nothing(God)? probably another great nothing did that. so you'll ask again and again and again and again.

what ever rout you take A great nothing(God) awaits you at the end. hehehe. Allahu Akbar.

What are u really saying?

You don't know the first cause... But there must be a first cause, some people call this unknown first cause God, therefore they are right... Lets start worshipping this unknown first cause and paying out tithe and offering to people in its name (the name we guessed)

What if the universe itself is eternal? What if there is actually no first cause? What if everything has always been existing?

Yes, the fact that we don't know means there is something to know, should we then start making guesses?

Really since u accept we don't know, what are both of us arguing about?

naijadeyhia:
Owliver was just playing the game Valentinemary presented to him and was using her own words to talk to her while he is not calling God "nothing". Get that right first!

Secondly, Atheists cannot prove or believe there is God because they lack a key ingredient for this and this key ingredient is called FAITH! Faith unlocks your mind to deeper things that would never make sense to your human mind and then you begin to understand these deeper things because faith is linked to an experience.

We have faith to unlock this truth and you do not.

If you wish to know if what we speak is true or not then be willing to share in the faith experience and then be able to speak...until you do then to you we came from NOTHING while to us we came from GOD! Cheers

Ok

kilo4sure:
Yes l accept l do not know but l came to the idea of an extra ordinary first cause deductively. By extra ordinary, l mean a timeless, immaterial, uncaused eternal first cause capable of giving life, this is reasonable if the universe was caused at all and has a beginning. What do you have against this?

What I have against it is that it is just your guess work and it is false. How did u know its timeless... Timeless, immaterial are all human constructs... Who told u it's timeless.? What if timelessness is a strange concept to this first cause... I am against u because u have accepted that u dont know... how can u not know the first cause and all of a sudden u now no he is eternal, it is obviously false because it's just a guess work except you tell me u are the first cause.

Owliver:
the atheist says the first cause is "nothing" what an intelligent nothing. that's what religious people call God.

so everyone is saying the same thing. don't you see.

Stop lying, atheists do not say first cause is nothing... what do u gain by arguing out if misconception?

Religionists call nothing God? How does that sound to u... How can anyone give nothing a name... Guy we don't know how we came about... It could be aliens, it could be tiny beings, it could be energy, the fact is that however we came about is beyond our imagination... Calling it God is guess work, why then do they argue that it's a fact... Atheists just reject what religionists claim they know because the religionists do not have prove for this claim... Atheists do not believe nothing was the first cause, they don't know and they prefer accepting they don't know than accepting your guess work that I claim is a fact.

Owliver:
there must be a cause. accidentally or otherwise. my point is, every religion defines God in different ways including science.

then why do you call yourself atheist? doesn't make sense. even that "nothing" that created everything can be termed "intelligent" therefore God.

you are judging God base on religion that's why you refuse to believe. religion is bullshit but leave God out of it.

Atheist think they are angry with God but no they are angry with religion but channel the anger to God who has little or nothing to do with religion.

stop fighting God. appreciate it. and move on.

Do you even know what atheism means? Atheist's say they don't believe in God because there is no prove of his existence, all we have see guess work like: our brain is well organised therefore there MUST be GOD.

Who has ever to you that something came out of nothing? Even the scientific postulations still do not actually have knowledge of the first cause. So why argue out of misconception.

Why do most theists hate the big bang theory (big bang is a scientific, not atheist, theory, pls do your self good and read more about it) which to me is part of the numerous idea on how we came about? Why are theists against it. The postulation is peacful.. it does not claim to be perfect like the religion ideas, it does not seek to kill for its idea, it does not claim it must be right otherwise you would be punished.
Again pls go read what atheism means... You actually sounds like one... You sound like you are arguing against what u believe in.

kilo4sure:
Lol, the world is not perfect it could be better, really? If chaos could arrange your brain so well even to the extent that you value your thoughts and decisions in most cases, don't you at least agree that is quiet amazing and unnatural. What you may list as imperfections doesn't preclude the fact that accidental chaos guided by only time and chance would not produce the world we see, the probability is low. I don't know about you, but to me this doesn't seem logical at all. Yes you are against religion, l have nothing against that. You claim that you do not know what may be responsible for life or order in the universe, fine l also do not know. But by reason l claim that there must be an extra ordinary first cause which we are still out to understand even as we continually discover and learn( this has nothing to do with religion) but by your own reason you do not accept this premise. Which makes me wonder, do you reject this premise only based on logic, or just your bias against religion?

I really don't get ur point. You claim there must be an extraordinary first cause, how does that answer the question: how did we come to be? You would quite agree with me that whatever this extraordinary first cause is, you have no idea, you don't even know why u think it's extraordinary. Now some people actually claim they know this first cause, they have spoken to it, it loves them, it gets angry, it protects and all that. Most cultures have come up with different models of extraordinary first cause and we know it's just guess work.
Now the atheists would rather just say we don't know... Why are y against that? Do you know this first cause? Didn't you just guess, like most primitive cultures, that it is extraordinary?
Why personify this so called first cause only to end up causing confusion amongst ourselves?
Further, how does guess and accepting that this fist cause is extraordinary help humanity? Since the fist cause has chosen to remain our if the picture, why do we still insist on making a guess work about what it is and bothering our lives, killing each other for it? What do we hope to achieve by dwelling on being right about our guesses?
Why don't we just accept that we don't know and dwell on making our world a better place until this first cause chooses to reveal himself to us.
Thank u.