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Yuck....so gay. No wonder the dude hung around 12 special men.

analice107:
You see what you want to see. Sex is both ways.
Am talking from the perspective of a Christian. If am just a female then i wouldn't have any kwams having sex with anyone i come across, including the satanists here claiming atheism.

Yet non of ur Christian brothers want to sleep with u. U think it's all about carrying church for head

analice107:
Don't waste your time on that one. He is a dead man walking.

How am I a dead man walking? Or are u just fond of ranting like a mentally unstable woman?

Really what is it about me that makes u want to peel Ur skin whenever u see my post?

It's it my fault that u are a frustrated old woman?

judedwriter:
And who are you....angel Michael

Which kain nonsense Angel Michael

I am the guy planning on overthrowing Satan. Satan is scared of me.

judedwriter:
True talk....many satanic agents on nairaland disguising as atheists! I read online that even demons come on forums like this to entrap and confuse many....God save us.

The babe u re talking with is the real Satan

angels09:
You have been warned. Next time you badmouth prophet Muhammad will be woeful for you.

Sharrraaaap.

Gerrarahia with ur dumb Mohammed... That child molester

Finfadei:
DURING SEX THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT EXCHANGES THAT TAKE PLACE: A PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL
If people knew how powerful sex was they wouldn't have it with just anybody.
During sex there's two different
exchanges that take place: a physical and spiritual.
Most grown adults are aware of the physical exchange. But the second is the spiritual which most people don't know about.
When you have sex with someone, you exchange/obtain whatever spirit(s) they have as well. You take on their qualities, behaviors, ideology Etc GOOD OR BAD and it become a part of you.
Sex was intended for one man and one woman. So many problems come as a result of sex outside of marriage. Disease and unplanned pregnancy are just the scratching the surface.
Do you know that sleeping with a person you enter into a covenant with that other persons spirit?
This happens every time you have sex with a person.
The Bible says in the book of Corinthians 6:15-17 "Do you know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. (NIV)
And... In addition to this... Whoever they have had sex with... Now you're attached to those people's
spirits as well. This is why there's so many people with multiple personalities, who are dribbling and dabbling in this and that, who are confused, and all messed up in their thoughts, feelings and behavior. They are dealing with
their own personality as well as the other people they have physically and spiritually connected themselves too.
The person you could be laying with could be full of the devil and now ... You are too. How can this be avoided. The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 6:18 "Flee from sexual immorality".
Do it in God's way. Just wait. Save sex for marriage. Sex is a beautiful thing, it's fun, it's exciting, when done in God's way. God knows how it feels and what it does. He created it! But he also put
boundaries in place because He knows what can happen when people get careless with it.
TROUBLE! TROUBLE!! TROUBLE!!!
The good news is,
this doesn't have to be you. If you
haven't already engaged in sexual
activity then don't. Save sex for your
husband or wife. Ask God to discipline you to
wait and take away the desire because it's definitely hard to stop wanting
something that is good to you after
you've had it.
Take your pick. Either run the risk of sleeping with THE ENEMY or
waiting and being in the Ark of safety in marriage.
Please share with friends, God bless you all.

This is 2017, u should be too old and educated for this trash

chemystery:
Not too far from me. I will contact you before then if I'd be coming.

Wow, that would be great

chemystery:
Where is the location of your wedding frank317?

My village... Mbaise in imo state

But I stay in ajah Lagos

For me, I don't feel this way... My family, my friends and co workers all know I am an atheist.

I am the kind of guy the takes charge of my environment... Rule my world and have a way of making people listen to me. I also have a way of making people look stupid.

My self esteem is at top notch... I make Religious folks look stupid because I talk better than them all.

My study in psychology made me make myself an authority.

My fiance is a Catholic (trad wedding is on 30th sept by the way, u are invited) and loves listening to me argue, she says she likes the way I present my case despite not in agreement. She thinks am the smartest and nicest guys she has dated.

People still love me as an atheist... Friends and well wisher all want to be at my wedding, knowing I have openly declared war on their belief but I see no difference in the way they relate to me... I receive at least 150k as dash every week since the day I announced my trad date and more is coming that I might not touch my savings.

Am not rich, just an average guy, yet my belief does not affect me in any way.

People have always loved me for being real and outspoken... I am just the kind of guy u can't be an enemy to.. ask analice. This is because u will definitely be on the loosing side.

Bolaji21:
My mission is to show that you're trying to make nonsense out of sense, and it's glaring to the readers.

Lol... Ok.

The WHY question will never end. He's God and he decided to create man with the ability to choose because that's what he wants. You can decide to blame him for everything thereafter.

How I wish he was real... I really don't blame him my brother... I don't even see the possibility of his existence. Even if he exists, he wouldn't need all this long story to convince me.

If the Chinese guys that invented gunpowder (an inanimate item with no will, and you don't think they're worthy to be sued. Then why do you think God that made man (a being that can make decisions without coordination) should be blamed for what that creature does.

A father can be blamed if his 2yr old child kills someone. Why? The child cannot be said to be responsible for its actions yet.
But if a 30yr old man murders a fellow man and you're saying the Father should be blamed, then I can't help you.

Do guns shoot people themselves? Isn't it people that use it to kill other people? Humans feel emotions, and can't be treated like inanimate objects.
Your God knew the future before creating humans...he knew everything every human will do before creating them... What exactly are u even saying?
Why would a father of a 2yr old be blamed for anything? Did he create the child? Did he install into the child the ability to kill like ur God installed in humans?

That's the easiest way for me to help you understand, but seems you're not trying to understand.

Don't compare man with inanimate objects...Ur sees the future, knows every outcome, yet expects something different...that's irresponsible.

Sure u are free

Imagine

English seems to be a major barrier here. The discussion is about God. When did it become about me?

This is ur post below

The higher you are, the better you see. You are not God, so you can't see like Him
Since I am not God and can see like him... Are u God? What are u then doing telling me unexplainable things about him? Can u see like him? If not why accuse me I can't see like him?

Yes, the imaginary one who's messing with your thinking.

Irrelevant

You just said he's an imaginary creature, so this point needn't follow.

The point is to show you that he is actually imaginery...duhhh

Let me just make it clear, you're responsible for what you do. That's why the Police won't look for God to arrest whrn you murder someone tomorrow.

U keep on making unrelated comparison. We are humans, trying to make sense of our reality and live in relative peace. You bring in God a creator who is ominieverything, can see the future, can do everything, loves humans in an immeasurable way and is invisible... Yet when asked to explain this being, u bring examples of fallible humans... Watin concern police concern God? Do u even know what u mean when u say God?
Have I ever argue that I am not responsible for what I do? I am trying to make u see how what I do have nothing to do with any God, Ur points seem to be in agreement with me but u just want the God equation to be there... Yet u can't explain.
Oga, u cannot bring God, a creator who is ominieverything and he creates and gives us choice and knows the consequence of everything he gave us, yet he takes no responsibility for anything that happens in the world he created? It's not possible.

I'm beginning to think you don't understand English well enough (no insult intended please) or maybe you don't read and understand my post before you comment. Where did you read that I said Satan disorganised the plan of God.

Sorry, I misread.

There you go, cherry picking the answers that suite you and discarding the ones you can't argue.

Ok

You're almost confirming my suspicion as to your comprehension of my English.

Of course u are speaking Queens English

Unfortunately, you didn't make Him King and you can't dethrone Him.

So true

You're asking for an historical document to explain what happened in another realm, is that it? Historical documents contain events in human history that can be traced to a physical location and time.

Lol... Of course u have nothing else to show for it... Let me ask u, would u believe the Muslims story that Mohammed divided the moon into two? That's how did ur own Lucifer Yahweh story sounds.

Foreknowledge is useless to you because you're not omnipotent. He's both omniscient and omnipotent.

Are u ominipotent? Why is it not useless to u? Can u even tell me what he does with his foreknowledge?

The child doesn't make the illustration fit. I've used the example of a child correctly up there. Go back and check. When did it become easy for you to equate a child to an adult as regards decision making?

It fits perfectly... Children get molested by cruel humans on daily basis but ur God will not help because it will take away their free will, instead he would rather watch them suffer.
Ooopps. ... No loving creator can watch their loving infant creation suffer in the hands of older creation and not do anything. Perhaps the child is responsible for her action... This is a line u have been using in defence.

Bolaji21:
God created man and mankind is responsible for the state of the world. If it's comforting for you to blame God for every evil, I won't try to change you.

Well my mission was to show u why it makes no sense to me... I have clearly done that and you have failed to make it make sense to me, infact you have made it worst... like a young girl goes through pain of being molested for his pleasure? WTF

You mean like making sure there are no raw materials to make gun powder, right?

I dont understand... did u even read my response? let me post it again...
U accept that God was kind enough not to create us like robot... yet u compare us with robotic creatures like TV or Guns... if God created humans with ability to do things on their own... he should have taken care of the consequences of this free will before embarking on this project which had led man to making nonsense of his plans.

why in the world are u mentioning gun powder? I said dont compare man with inanimate objects like gun... a gun creator cannot be responsible for what another man does with his gun... the only time he can be responsible is if the he created a gun with a life of its own.

That's weird. I never got the news that the Chinese that invented gunpowder have been sued to court for causing world War 1&2.

This is an off response, please refer to response above for clearance. and stop comapring man with inanimate objects like Guns... are u not saying that God did not create us like robots? why use creators of robotic creatures to compare with God who didnt create robotic objects.

No you haven't. Please do

Choosing what and what not believe has nothing has to do with sanity, my brother. Some parts of the Southwest here still believe their forefather fell from the sky with chains.

ok... for you your son can believe his grand father is actually God
for me if my son believes that, i will question his sanity

The higher you are, the better you see. You are not God, so you can't see like Him.

Tell me something... you are higher, and u are now God and can see like him... smh, yet u have been giving me ridiculous responses all day. Oga, i will pass.

Why should we?

Because its just a folktale

You don't bear these people in mind as much as their creator do. And he didn't put them in that state, Satan and mankind in agreement are the cause. You don't need to drag God into it just to suite yourself.

lol... cares for them indeed. When does he really care, when he is watching them suffer for his pleasure? Now he has brought in satan, the imaginary one who takes the blame.
Are u not the one who said your God permitted him to do evil? how can u say mankind is in agreement with satan, a being that had the guts to fight ur so call almighty God? I wish you the best in ur battle with him.

Seun is responsible for your posts here, right?

Oga, Your God gave us free will to chose evil or good... he is responsible for giving us choice... even before giving he determined the kind of choice we will have... as a matter of fact Seun cant be responsible for the post here... i am. the site is an inanimate creation by seun, I am a living being created by your God and given life.. stop comparing living things with animate objects. You God according to u gave me life. he is responsible to an extent of what i do.

His plan is disorganised even to Satan himself
That's why he always walk right into His majesty's plan over and over again.

you seem not to know what u are actually saying.
satan disorganized the pan of an all knowing God? Satan is taking the blame for an all knowing Gods failure?
I thought it was your God that permitted it?

oga chose one...
did God permit everything?
Did satan disorganize his plan?
Did he foreknew everything?
Did he fail

remember, all four cannot go together.

You forgotten Satan is in the equation.

off point response, try again.The answer does not correlate with my post.

You were to be created first and asked which family you want to be born through, then you're recreated into that family. Is that what you're suggesting?

lol.. it seems you are loosing concentration...

ur responses have got nothing to do with my posts.. pls follow the conversation. This ur response, I dont even understand, sure u are not talking to another person?

He's the King of the Universe. You can't change that, you have to deal with it.

he is not any king of any universe, you can change that, u have to deal with it.

That's not a valid point. The Bible has been proven several times to be accurate. I guess you've not gone far enough in atheism to discover that.

I am not responding to this point again until you show me any historical document that correlates with Lucifer fighting with yaw-eh as shown in the bible

Man kept creating a mess for his creator to keep cleaning up. I think that's fair enough by the creator.

of course... thats what happens when foreknowledge is useless

our logic is not working here. Who's the little child in this your example?

I mean any child... does it have to be a child u know before u understand?

Bolaji21:
Since the creature has the ability to exist without coordination from the creator, the creature is responsible for his actions. Man is responsible for the woes you listed up there. Or is the inventor of television to blame for the port that's aired on it 24/7? Is the inventor of gun powder to blame for word war 1&2? Sure you can't blame this people.

I have never argued that man is not responsible for his actions... I am aware of that even without believing in any God. I am trying to let you know that bringing God into the picture makes is all complex. Dont ever compare man creating inanimate objects with God creating humans with emotions.
U accept that God was kind enough not to create us like robot... yet u compare us with robotic creatures like TV or Guns... if God created humans with ability to do things on their own... he should have taken care of the consequences of this free will before embarking on this project which had led man to making nonsense of his plans.
Trust me if the man that created guns had the ability to create life into guns, the he also shares responsibility for what the gun he gave live does.

You've decided to see free will as ability to rebel. That's half truth. I can't help you with that.

I have shown you why i think your creations stories are ridiculous... telling me it is the truth is inconsequential to me. If ridiculous meaningless stories are truth to you... Then I think your sanity needs to be questioned (no insult intended)

I've not said God didn't plan about the foreknowledge he had. That's why there was a Jesus to die for the redemption of Man. The book of revelation documents the plan of God based on his foreknowledge of the entirety of time.
It's not that hard to comprehend if you want to.

Now you are saying he foreplanned? was destroying man in Noah's time a foreplan?
Well, if he foreplanned, the world I am seeing today, does not look like any almighty foreplanned anything good. all i see is random coincidence.
Leave revelation which you cant even be sure of.. look around you... different religions, different christian doctrines, child abuse, pain... are they sign of foreplan by almighty creator... again, if he planned well, there wouldnt be need to wait for revelation... people dies everyday for Christ sake, isnt revelation meaningless to them?

A creator is supposed to take permission from a creature before he creates that creature? Does that even make logical sense?

yes, especially when he plans not to take responsibility for the choice he gave us.

God is the great Monarch of the Universe. By that, he's not answerable to anyone. However, he's not a tyrant. All his creatures must always see that he's just.

ok fair enough, but i am yet to relate with this.

All things (including man) were created for His pleasure. Man was not created to showoff to or please the heavenly beings already in existence. But Man was created for the pleasure of God. It's that simple.

lol... for his pleasure u said... death, pain, hell, his disorganized plan... all for his pleasure. Oga please go get your facts right. You cannot be blowing hot and cold at the same time. if i may ask, whats ur idea for God's pleasure? destroying of millions in Noah's time? is that pleasure?

I'm glad I'm a Man. If I were to chose again and again (though it's not real), I'll choose to be a man. You may not understand why though.

Isnt that what we are saying, we were created to be man without our choice... we dont even have the choice of the family we were born into. Well, if I there was a supersonic man in existence somewhere.. i would choose that if I have a choice.

The corruption of Man didn't come as a surprise to the Omniscient God. We've already gone past that.

then he should stop acting all surprised and stop expecting to act in another way when he knows they will act in the other way.

Doesn't that sound like you got no other counter-argument?

This is a matter of opinion. The bible is not a historical book... most of the events therein are just magical stories that are not documented anywhere else. Please if you have other historical books that correlates with the bible or that correlates with Angels fighting war with God in hevean, feel free to share them.

You see it as failure, I see it as permitting some things to happen. An omniscient and omnipotent God cannot fail.

permitting devil to rebel against him and figthing him in return? permitting sin to full the world then destroying man afterall? are u even listening to yourself?
well, what am I even saying, are u not the one who said its all for his pleasure?

I'd expect him to go by my recommendation and choose wisely. But I won't take his freedom of choice away.

Choose wisely and go after going by your recommendation to arrive at an unknown outcome? I guess in this case his had no foreknowldge of what his action might be right

Wouldn't the best to do be make alternative arrangements that would prevent the catastrophy?
Well, God made an arrangement for every thing. That's why there was Jesus to die.

I guess once Jesus Died God foreknowing abilities stopped working? How did he even arrive at sending Jesus to die with all the forknowledge he had... where did it fail him that he had to make things better?
how can he be repairing things he watched spoiling?

Then I'll watch and let him use his will first (justice). If I don't, then I'm being a bad father by taking away his freedom in the name of protection.
But I'll make arrangements to salvage the situation when he makes the wrong choice (love).

so to you the child's freedom is better than his protection? You'd rather watch your child destroy himself with freedom than take away his freedom and protect me. Now isnt this where your God is getting it wrong?
He watches a little girl get molested and says... "If I protect her, that mean I have taken away her freedom.., no, let her have her freedom and suffer."
Oga, enjoy in worshiping a monster.

sonofluc1fer:
What is God? I'm sure you'd be unable to provide a definite reply. God morphs, through traditions, time and cultures. As far as I can tell, God is a human idea, a pretend solution to the problem of where we come from and who we are.


Indeed. I can only enlighten myself, not you. There are different levels of enlightenment. Education is a powerful tool.

We all see only a partial part of the whole. Our existence is just one amongst billions of others. To assume one's position is ultimate would be unwise. Thus, my OP.

The aim is to raise doubt. If God exists, reason and logic is the greatest tool it gave us.


If you assume any position to be a belief system, I'd accept this definition. Vegetarianism is also a belief system too. As well as democracy.


Uncertainty is Jesus saying he has no clue when he will return. Heavy confusion is those waiting for his return breaking up into more sects the longer he's been away.

Uncertainty is not knowing if God is three-in-one or one-in-three. Uncertainty is claiming Jesus is God born through the Holy Spirit, who is himself.

Heavy confusion is a black man teaching his kids the traditions of the Jews. Heavy confusion is a black man who thinks his ancestors are Adam and Eve. Heavy confusion is being afrian in genetics, European/Jewish in thought.


A slave disposition encourages a savior mentality. Save yourself. Open your eyes. I can't do that for you.

ok... that was a KNOCKOUT!!!

[quote author=butterflylion post=59923545][/quote]tomorrow u will claim you are wise, you didnt see how the analogy he made points right back to your face... smh

rhektor:
Would you imagine someone insulting what he claims never existed? Isn't that the highest degree of madness? If your TV is broken in your house and your friend said that superman broke it, how do you see that friend of yours? I guess you will call him stupid won't you?

Now u understand why we think you guys might be stupid... Nice analogy there. A christian, works hard an makes money, but like the fool who says superman broke the tv, they say Jesus made them rich... isnt that stupid?

Bolaji21:
Ability to choose between right and wrong. You say it's a curse, I say it isn't.

Wow, how in the world is ur world view? How is it not a curse? It led to death, pain, hate, hell, fear, disobedience, disorganisation of even The all seeing God's plan? It led to the death of Christ, even the love we claim to give us out of selfish interest... Pls how is it not a curse?

You're not getting my point obviously. If there's no tendency to act against the creator, then it's not free will and that's actually an act of insecurity by the creator.

A very good and loving creator decided to create man, gave then free will, which is the ability to act against him or do wrong, something he actually foresaw man doing. Yet when man act out the ability he gave him, which he already saw, he get angry and even gets into destruction mode. He goes into the drama of trying to rescue man.. pls tell me another story.

Foreknowledge doesn't mean foreplanning. There's a difference between knowing something will happen and planning FOR something to happen.

But you would agree with me that foreknowledge without foreplanning is foolishness? It keeps getting worst.
In my opinion I think u guys have succeeded in making Gods foreknowledge ability a very useless one. This is what happens when u try to explain the unexplainable.

All creatures are responsible for the choices they make.

And what about the person who assigned the choices to them knowing it's devastating effects, and he did this without their consent.
Besides this did not answer the point I raised.
I asked u who is he trying to show his sovereignty? Who is he trying to please?
Isn't it petty that the almighty God created man just to show his sovereignty to his Creations? He sounds bored to me.

Would you prefer to be an animal then? No insult intended please.

Lets say there were being slightly above humans, would u prefer to be that being rather than being a human being?
You are only glad u are a human becasue that's what u actually are
Trust me, if u were chicken u will be glad u are a chicken.
In all honesty, sometimes I wish I have more sophisticated abilities like disappearing, flying or reading the mind.
If God had made me an animal, a being with no freewill or a being with superhuman abilities I will still live with however he created me just I am living with what I am now. In essence if I have no free will or if I was an animated, I would still have nothing to lose.

The coming of His Son would have been useless if there wasn't a deluge then. The human gene was corrupted then. Only the pure breed were preserved. ,

Lol now u are talking like the corruption of man was a surprise to God...well I have already shown u why I think this mission was pointless and avoidable.

It happened in history and the Bible recorded it.

I am not sure of this... I am yet to see proof. But u are free to believe anything... In my opinion it is just a Jewish folk tale.

It can't happen again. How do I know? The Bible also records a beautiful happy ending. Don't forget, God is omniscient.

U can say that, but if he can fail in almost three projects, he can fail again.
Project angel... Failure
Project man... Failure
Project Noah... Failure
Project Jesus... Millions still going to hell, devil is still ruling
I really cannot trust him with project hevean.

The example doesn't fit. I prefer you replace 3 with 30 and try to see if the example fits.

Good,
If u are a 65 years old man with a 30years old son. You know that if he gets married to the girl he is dating... If he freely chooses to marry her, he will definitely cheat on her and this will lead to a fight where she will make him blind forever.
As a father who has foreknowledge, you know this already... Would u expect him not to cheat on his wife when he gets married?
Wouldn't the best to do be make alternative arrangements that would prevent the catastrophy? Would u sit down and watch destroy himself while u expect him to do what u already know he wouldn't do?
Again if at the end of the day u can't do anything about it, then ur foreknowledge ability is useless, don't u think?

701ecilana:
Such a frustrated little man.

Awwwwwwwwwwww, u wish.

U entered church and claim born again, hoping that God will send the right man to you. But how does that stop u from being the over fvcked arrogant biactch, single old hag we know u are.

Born again my arse... I pity that frustrated man hanging around u are the moment, hopefully he will see u for u who u are before it's too late... Twart.

701ecilana:
It's very sad that you just wrote about yourself but used reverse psychology on another person.

Frank, read everything you typed there, it's a definition of who you are. It's a clear depiction of who you are.

You are little minded, bitter, angry and you pour all your frustrations into your posts.

Some times i read your posts and i feel for you. I silently pray that you don't jump in front of a bus one of these days, but here you are telling your life on another. Shame.

You know I don't expect you to say anything reasonable. you are 40years old single mentally unstable woman . What else is expected of u?
Lol @ praying for me... Ask Jesus to give u husband first.

chemystery:
That's why we need show them some real love cos all they know and have ever experienced is imaginary love from their imaginary friend

I no lie... The guy actually needs help.