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OkaiCorne:
First and foremost, we need to have a right perspective of what Prayer is all about.
When you approach a wiser person to discuss, does it make sense for you to do all the talking? If you want to be wiser, you have to listen far more than you speak. Prayer is more about listening than talking. Forget what all these religious people do upandan...most of them are noise makers.

The uncreated one speaks all the time through its creation, it speaks all the time through the dots that connects in your mind and lights up a bulb to inspire you... That is what real prayer is all about. You need to be in solitude, watch, observe, meditate and most importantly LISTEN.The answers to your prayers (questions) shall be gotten.

Task your mind with questions you are struggling to get answers to...and with time the solution just comes...how that solution comes is the uncreated one "updating" your "software" with the answers you need.

I hope this is getting clearer to you...

Lol... Prayer is listening? U listen connect the dots to arrive at a solution urself and suddenly the uncreated one has spoken to u?

What kind of truth is this? Now am confused?

OkaiCorne:
To be honest with you again...I do not know the default form of the uncreated one...and that is the first flaw with all these religions in the world today. Trying to create this uncreated one in their own image.

From how the Earth to how the Solar system to how the Milky way Galaxy (and other trillions of galaxies) to how the Universe to how the Multiverse is arranged, I know this cannot be by accident. Everything has a source, a starting point, a Programmer. This source is the uncreated one...

The uncreated one can take whichever form it desires...but I'm not too concerned with that neither do I know its default form. But I know this uncreated one exists...

U call it or him or them or her the uncreated one...is this the truth u stand for? How did u come about this truth? How do u know he or it or them or her s uncreated? Nd how did u now it is one?


I am asking based on ur first post on this thread, let me dig it out for u to see.

It takes 1% wisdom to make 99% knowledge look foolish. The way human beings turn simple matters of truth into religion makes me sick in the stomach angry

Christians should go through their bibles and read it with understanding. There are instances where Jesus heals lepers and still tells them to present themselves to the Physician and Priests!

Even the Hebrew women she erroneously made reference to, if you check the situation of what the Hebrew women faced at that point in time and what she faced, it's just a classic case of interpreting the bible out of context! Did the Hebrew women have access to the best medicare facilities in the face of a sadistic Pharoah? This woman has access to the best medicare....but nooooo, she wants to give birth like the Hebrew women, if this is not foolishness, then I don't know what to call it...

There is a place for exercising your faith and a place for the Physician to do his work, let wisdom and truth guide us in all things abeg. The same "God" we trust for miracles is the same Being that has given Physicians and Doctors relevant knowledge to heal certain diseases to ensure we stop bothering HIM with needless and irrelevant "prayer" points.

If God has given knowledge to people to treat certain things then why do we still disturb him with irrelevant prayers over these same issues?

I'm just tired mehn... I weep for the mindset of some people

So many fallacies in the quote above for someone who claims to stand for the truth

OkaiCorne:
To be completely honest with you, I cannot find the exact word that hits the nail on the head to describe the TRUTH.

The TRUTH is the BIGGER PICTURE, The TRUTH is like a puzzle and the jig-saws are fragmented in our realm of existence and other realms of existence.

Let's start with the most basic level of TRUTH...for instance, I don't have to be a Christian to know there will be sun or moon in the sky on a given day.

As every day unfolds, the BIGGER PICTURE keeps on updating itself with other jigsaws that fits in perfectly to this puzzle. This is because I have a limited knowledge capacity in this realm of existence...However, this capacity increases when you're in sync with the uncreated one.

I hope I'm making sense

No I don't get u one single bit.


Let me as again... What TRUTH do u STAND for.

If u stand for something and u claim it's the truth... Explain this truth u stand for and defend in a simple understandable language.

How is calling whatever or however the universe started an uncaused one the truth. Like I asked before what's makes it or him or her or them an uncaused one. Why uncaused and why one... How did u come about this TRUTH?


I am willing to learn

What wrong did she do? For me I will set the gen on fire.
The man is wicked... U keep everyone in darkness and disturb us with ur noisy gen... Rubbish

OkaiCorne:
If the uncreated one belongs to no religion, then why do I have to belong to a religion to serve the uncreated one?

When enlightened souls like Jesus, Buhdda and e.t.c. figures out the truth...their original intention is not to create a religion out of it, but liberate the shackled minds of humanity. But guess what, Sheeples will come thereafter and create a religion out of them and miss out on what the TRUTH really is. Your questions are designed to fit me into one of these religious boxes and frankly speaking I have gone past this level.

I stand with the TRUTH and the TRUTH belongs to no religion. The TRUTH is bigger than Jesus, Buhhda or whosoever. I don't belong to any religion. Thank you

What is this TRUTH you stand with?

OkaiCorne:
I'm driving at something here...Please to avoid unnecessary back and forth, I can effectively answer your question if you answer just this one I asked.

Is the uncreated one a Christian, Muslim or Buhddist?

What is the uncreated one? Why not uncreated family or uncreated husband and wife or aliens, or uncreated giant ball.

What exactly do u mean by uncreated one? How do u know the uncreated is uncreated? And he did u know he is one?

OkaiCorne:
My perspective on this matter is to rely on the wisdom of this supremely intelligent being for a way out. It would surprise you to know that the cure for HIV is in something very basic we tend to overlook...perhaps in a tree bark or root somewhere in the thick jungles of Congo...

Study the problem you're facing and break it down into its tiniest bits...then apply solutions to these tiny bits and before you know it...the problem is solved... that's my mindset

Let me get u straight... Are u saying that it is not necessary to pray? Why pray and ask the supreme being for help when he has given u brain?

I think I might like your thinking but I want to be sure I understand u. If u think since we have brain given to us by the supreme Creator, it is not necessary praying to him for help in bad health...I wanna know, is it even necessary to pray?

Martinez19:
hold it right there! who told you or how did you know that it is God that provided modern medicine? So God had to wait that long to provide modern medicine. Why has God not provided the cure for hiv, cancer and Als? Why did God had to wait for millions to die before antimalarial and penicillin came out? Scientists who didn't believe in God made researches and provided cures while christians who pray, fast and claim they hear from God have not provided any cure for hiv. It seems God has not revealed the cure to anyone yet, not even pastors. Very unimpressive for an all powerful and loving God.

Concerning those lepers, Jesus healed them first before they went to the priests for examination, mind you Jesus never told them to go to any physician, stop lying. In a similar manner, God should have helped the woman and then the appropriate person would have examined her. The story of Jesus and the lepers is not in any way teaching christians to go to hospitals when they are sick.

Concerning your penultimate paragraph, I would like to know if you are now the secretary of Yahweh. Did God tell you that he doesn't want anyone disturbing him with prayers? Didn't Jesus say that God knows what people need but they should ask? That sounds like who is ready for prayer requests

I weep for your mentality.

Lol according to the guy u quoted, God does not want people to disturb him for certain things that's why he made have physicians knowledge to cure certain things. Lol... He does not want people to disturb him for simple things like malaria but is okay for people to disturb him for cure for HIV....


These Christians are just sick

Martinez19:
oh Bleep, here we go again . Her stupidity? How is believing in God for safe delivery without operation stupidity to you as a christian? Did the bible not say that if you ask you shall receive Matt 7:7? Now the bible also said that if someone is sick, they should invite the elders of the church to pray for him/her that a prayer of faith shall heal the sick. If you sick, can you try that? If you see someone doing that would you encourage him or her? Judging from your post I know you answer would be NO. why NO? that's because you are a bloody hypocrite.

Back to the woman's matter, who told you God brought her to the hospital? Regardless of religion, people go to hospitals. Regardless of religion, people(both religious and non religious) take anti-malarial when down with malaria and they get better. If the religious folks attribute their recovery to God, who should the non believers attribute their recovery to? What special role did God play that the anti-malarial didn't? You had better be sincere with yourself.

That woman's baby died for two reasons
1) her sincere and brave loyalty to her religion (something that hypocrites like you are incapable of).
2) the God she depended on is nonexistent and therefore not a single thing could have been done no matter how large her faith is.

Had it been that she knew the truth about the falsity of religion, she would have saved her baby. This is one of the reasons why we atheists argue and try to tear down this facade called religion.

Just imagine what the so called educated op is saying.

The woman accepted to go to the hospital, suddenly it is God that brought her there.

She refused to take the medical option, she is foolish.

Why didn't the God that made her come to the hospital also make her accept the medical option since he was the one that brought her there despite her coming her self. Since she didn't come to the hospital at her own will, why didn't the she accept the medical option unwillingly?

How do these guys even think?

What he fails to understand is that the woman he is insulting will always be a better Christian than him with bigger Faith. (Which is useless by the way)

An2elect2:
Abegiii

Its only common sense to read up something before refuting it. What's my business if you prefer to side a misrepresentation.

Ive been lied to, everyone has been deceived in almost all forms about God but now we know the Bible is saying a different thing. If you don't want to see it, your problem!

I believe u jare


She had been lied to
She has been deceived
She is yet to know that the Bible says a different thing
She does not want to see it...
Her baby and even her deserve to die

Let me ask you... If she was an unbeliever and does not believe in God but trust in the doctors without caring what Ur Bible says, do u think she would have survived?

Milysblog:
I am not an atheist, I am a core Christian and I believe in a living God and He is alive. You may not believe in God but I can tell you HE exist. My Christianity does not take away my common sense that is why am warning people to desist from their pastors advice when faced with health challenges. Some of these pastors were not called by God and they go ahead misleading their gullible followers with their ridiculous teachings. I watched this woman lost her baby and it's heartbreaking. Her misfortune is not because God does not exist but its because of her stupidity. She was praying for safe delivery and God answered her because she was brought to the hospital in time to save her baby. Her stubbornness cost her the life of her baby. God has nothing to do with it.

To read more stories visit www.beinspiredandlive..com

Oga,she had faith and prayed that God should not allow her go through any operations and that she will have safe delivery but God failed her. Stop twisting the obvious.
God had in the past ( according to u guys) been healing people even without medicine.there are testimonies where doctor prescribed operation for lumps but God healed them before the operation. Now her faith did not work u are not blaming her for believing wholey on God. If the doctors had misunderstood the situation not to be as dangerous as they thought and perhaps she had eventually come out alive while holding onto her faith, u would have been the one Praising her for having faith.
If u don't really believe it then don't preach it. Simple.

An2elect2:
Reason I'll continue to support exposing false teachers. If we truly love our neighbors, it should be one of our major concerns that they are not deceived into losing their money, brains, lives, loved ones and their souls. These ministers of Satan have been here for a long long time now that the truth now sounds like some new age movement.

Isn't our God the one that ordained medicine and science? Why test God when you can use what He has made available.

What are u saying?
Are u not the ones rubbing the power of ur God on our faces? Does God not heal without the use of medicine again? According to u guys, God has been in the business of healing people from madness, fibroids, headache, blonde etc... Now he didn't heal this one, he is suddenly not meant to heal by has ordained medicine for man...

Face it, the woman believed in God and he failed her, period.

myboy2010:
that is what u get when u believe in pastor but not God

Of course... U should o to church, listen to the preaching of pastors, even pay to them Ur tithe money... But when it comes to prayer in time of distress, don't listen to them, u are in ur own with ur God.

And the Religion keeps getting dumber.

Well, it's the woman's fault.

She is not a true Christian. Her faith is not strong enough. She would have prayed to God herself to understand his will in her life instead of believing a a supposedly man of God.

A least God would have told her to relax, he actually meant to kill the baby as his will in her life for her... So that he can use it to glorify his name in her life in future.

Fake Christians every where... If she allows Yaweh's wrath to fall on her for not having enough faith, he can actually decide to kill all her family.

sorextee:
You waking up everyday is a miracle.
You, despite adding those numbers behind JESUS CHRIST(your moniker), my personal Lord and savior and still sleep and wake up peacefully the next day is GRACE and MERCY.

If waking up every morning is a miracle then dying one day is also a miracle.

Besides when ants wake up every morning, is also a miracle?

OtemAtum:
Take it easy my guy. life is a philosophical ground. It's interesting having different ways of reasoning so far it doesn't involve killing onr another because of the differences.

Hmmm

OkaiCorne:
Now let's make the equation a bit more complex. Do you know the choices of others have an impact on the outcome you face? Let's use your example up there further. If the driver had taken a different route? What would the outcome be?

If the driver had taken a different route, the outcome could have been much better, worst, or inconsequential ... what has any so called creator got to do with this?

greatnaija01:
GOD

God? Who is God? Is it Yahweh or Allah or humans who see themselves as God?

GoodMuyis:
The Money used in Making the culvert was their money (tax payers), why should thank the Govt for doing their legal duty. God be thank because he gave the Govt wisdom to ward away future evil,

OR have you forgot the Power of Coincidence

The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

U think we shouldn't thank an ordinary human government for doing his legal duty, but think its absolutely needful to thank an all knowing all-powerful creator for doing his legal duty... Continu

OkaiCorne:
Visualize the bigger picture, there is an overall supreme being who is the source of all things physical and meta-physical. Unfortunately, religion has codified this being into various books and instructions e.g. Bible, Koran e.t.c. and given this supreme being different names. It's just like an ant trying to claim it knows how a human being works and writes out its understanding of human beings for fellow ants to worship.

This supreme being is neither a Christian nor Muslim nor belongs to any religion. This supreme being knows the final outcome of all your decisions subject to the time you make these decisions. This supreme being has a spirit that resides in its creation(you and myself inclusive). This Supreme being treasures a symbiotic relationship (Father & Son relationship) with its creatures above anything else.

That is the Supreme being you should thank. However, also bear in mind that this outcome is equally subject to your choice as well...just be thankful for the positive outcome.

Enough of this nonsense... What in the world of fuxk is this supreme being?

What does he do?
What does he not do?
How did u get to know him?

Lol... Mr dalaman... Who make u vex na?

annyplenty:
Pray for Nigeria.

U still dont want to take ur medications

sonofluc1fer:
Just like and share.

Loooool...now this got me laughing my ass off

butterflylion:
How your marriage go vex me? Na venue and date I want to know. My own is to come and eat only 5 plates of rice and 3 plates of pounded yam with Ila soup.

Meanwhile you no go buy meat from me? Abi you no dey eat pork? My pigs are hefty and cheap o. I am even delivering 2 to a customer this morning and can send you the pic so you can see. Just 45k each. Payment at point of delivery but cannot deliver beyond Lagos state now as my delivery van would be coming from ogun.

Come and buy o

I actually like pork, I ate bush pork last weekend, but i was surprised the taste was different from the regular pork, can u help me explain why?...

Unfortunately I am doing goat meat in my occasion. So goat is cheaper than pork?

[quote author=butterflylion post=p60801313][/quote]Yesooo, rice and stew will be very plenty... I can get married anywhere I want to... isn't that the joy of Ben an atheist?

But bro why the thing de vex u na?

SOFTENGR:
Those who sing these songs are fake, they're not Christians.

Lol... Tell more

analice107:
Why nah. just have a discussion. leave harshness out. We must not agree.

Oh God, Analice account has been hacked.