vickyO: But what happens to working out your salvation with fear and trembling?

FrancisTony: I overheard one saying that Mary's V and T has torn. Is that the truth?

FrancisTony: Since i joined Nairaland, i haven't seen pentecostals create a thread to boost/promote their belief, only useless thread for bashing on catholics. Hmmm, that's sign of anti-christ for the church of God. I REST MY CASE

bastien: Well boss u don talk your own o



Me get my own!
1.If u dey go church on sundays you are not among(cause my bible talk say my creator start to create on 1st day"sunday" and rested on the 7th day "saturday"
2.If u dey go party,meeting,outing,selling and buying on your sabbath day,you are not among,(christianity say na on sunday b dere sabbath day,yet dem dey cook,buy,sell,party,meeting,sex etc! I hail o)
3.If u no dey observe the feast in the bible ie passover,memorial,trumpet etc u not among oh(christmas,easter,new year,black friday etc,no dey bible)
4.If u dey wear weitin man suppose wear as woman,or as a man u dey wear weitin woman suppose wear ur hell na short cut ooh(how e go b make man wear skirt? But woman dey wear trouser,devil in the making)
5.If your pastor dey always preach of money,my brother pack leave such church o!



Well,the best true church na "sabbath" but not all sha

kwakayekaa: 1. Jesus instructed his followers to preach the gospel--> Unlike other churches who oly broadcast on TV or have their member go in packs on the streets distributing church invites, jehovahs witnesses are the only group of christians who still patiently o from house to house teaching people

2. Celebration of pagan holidays- christs' date of birth is not recorded in the bible, and he never instructed that we help him celebrate it, amongst many other pagan holidays.. And jehovahs witnesses are he only people who dont celebrate these pagan holidays.

3. Non-request or tithe- jehovahs witnesses dont ask their members for tithe, instead they donate undisclosed amount out of freewill.

non-segregation of members- unlike most churches where the big men sit on comfy chairs while ordinary members sit on plastic chairs or where titles such as most. reverend, senior pastor, his holiness, and many others.. jehovahs witnesses either adress each other by name or add the prefix brother or sister.

tsidra: Guy nawa 4 u oooo. Don't u want TB Joshua's ministry 2 move 2 d permanent site

Ishilove:
You endorse ignorance?

bizmahn:
Since the spirit of man is incorruptible according to your definition why will christians that sin against God be cast into hell fire spirit,soul & body.Besides where is it stated in your bible that the spirit of man is incorruptible even when he falls into sin.
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I won't continue going round with you on this but let us conclude that the "holy spirit" of your own bible indwells even sinful christians but the Holy Spirit of my own bible will never.... I repeat NEVER indwell a sinful vessel.Only an evil spirit will occupy a sinful human abode.Period!

Bidam: How does the Holy Spirit speak to you?

Bidam: It applies to both.We are in the world and as far as scripture is concerned the salvation of our souls is not immediate.Here is a scripture to run with. "My conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit" (Rom. 9:1).
You can't separate the Holy Spirit from a believers conscience.

Bidam: @BOLD.the Holy Spirit actually convicts us.

John 16:8 (NEB) "When he [the Holy Spirit] comes, he will convict the world, and show where right and wrong and judgment lie. He will convict them of wrong..."

bizmahn: bros, at this point I think you are either just pretending not to see the points I clearly made or its just something else.You are the one that tried to show us a grace that appears to function totally at the exclusion of any type of works and a holy ghost that can inhabit people even when they posses sins.
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First of all I tried to show you that the Holy Ghost of the bible is "holy" & cannot inhabit a sinful vessel and secondly I tried to expose you to the fact that grace demands works.You called it works of love & helping the needy but I said it goes beyond that and it encompassed all "works of righteousness".
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I also tried to make you understand that this works of righteousness which you probably call "works of love" is also contained in the works of the law as moral laws & this moral laws or works of righteousness or works of love was not abolished in the new testament but yet fully enforced.
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You presented a grace devoid of any atom of works & efforts to live right as all misguided grace preachers do on this forum but I tried to prove to you that surely God expects us to work with that grace.
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If you don't get it now then go back & read the thread all over till you do.I don't think I'll go on repeating myself anymore.

Bidam: When you see a scripture that says:Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law Romans 3:31. What Law do you honestly think Paul was advocating

Bidam: God bless you sir! This is where the so called Grace teachers are missing the point! Grace always teaches us to say NO to ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self-controlled,upright and godly lives.( titus 2:11).

bizmahn:

Hehehehehehe!! honourable adult in Christ, I expected you'd do more than that.You sure should know more than babes in Christ.
Anyway to make it simple, works there means works of righteousness which is not limited to "showing love to people & helping the poor".
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We have our part to play as christians & God has His own part too.GRACE WHICH IS MISUNDERSTOOD BY NEW GENERATION CHURCHES IS NOT A CONCESSION OR AN ALLOWANCE GOD GIVES US TO GO AHEAD & SIN SINCE WE HAVE A SINFUL NATURE RATHER IT IS THE SUPERNATURAL POWER,ABILITY,STRENGHT,KNOWLEDGE ETC WHICH GOD GIVES US (THROUGH PRAYER,FASTING,FELLOWSHIP,OBEDIENCE ETC) WITH WHICH TO LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY AND LIVE ABOVE SIN.We are required in the new testament to make efforts through grace God bestows on us to live righteously.If you fail to make efforts & hang only on the fact that Christ has done it all for you & you must not "WORK" you'll certainly fall into sin as shown in FAITH IN CHRIST WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.Further scriptures to support my arguement:-
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Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your GOOD WORKS and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
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Titus 3:8
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to GOOD WORKS. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
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Titus 2:7
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of GOOD WORKS, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity,
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Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and GOOD WORKS,
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Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every GOOD WORK,
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1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in GOOD WORKS, to be generous and ready to share,
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1 Timothy 5:10
And having a reputation for GOOD WORKS: if she has brought up children, has shown hospitality, has washed the feet of the saints, has cared for the afflicted, and has devoted herself to every GOOD WORK.
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1 Timothy 2:10
But with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with GOOD WORKS.
(ESV version of bible.)

bizmahn:

Hehehehehehe!! honourable adult in Christ, I expected you'd do more than that.You sure should know more than babes in Christ.
Anyway to make it simple, works there means works of righteousness which is not limited to "showing love to people & helping the poor".
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We have our part to play as christians & God has His own part too.GRACE WHICH IS MISUNDERSTOOD BY NEW GENERATION CHURCHES IS NOT A CONCESSION OR AN ALLOWANCE GOD GIVES US TO GO AHEAD & SIN SINCE WE HAVE A SINFUL NATURE RATHER IT IS THE SUPERNATURAL POWER,ABILITY,STRENGHT,KNOWLEDGE ETC WHICH GOD GIVES US (THROUGH PRAYER,FASTING,FELLOWSHIP,OBEDIENCE ETC) WITH WHICH TO LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY AND LIVE ABOVE SIN.We are required in the new testament to make efforts through grace God bestows on us to live righteously.If you fail to make efforts & hang only on the fact that Christ has done it all for you & you must not "WORK" you'll certainly fall into sin as shown in FAITH IN CHRIST WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.Further scriptures to support my arguement:-
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Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your GOOD WORKS and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
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Titus 3:8
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to GOOD WORKS. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
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Titus 2:7
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of GOOD WORKS, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity,
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Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and GOOD WORKS,
.
Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every GOOD WORK,
.
1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in GOOD WORKS, to be generous and ready to share,
.
1 Timothy 5:10
And having a reputation for GOOD WORKS: if she has brought up children, has shown hospitality, has washed the feet of the saints, has cared for the afflicted, and has devoted herself to every GOOD WORK.
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1 Timothy 2:10
But with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with GOOD WORKS.
(ESV version of bible.)

bizmahn: Titus 2:11,12 :- For the GRACE of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men teaching us that denying ungogliness and worldly lusts,WE SHOULD live soberly,RIGHTEOUSLY,and godly in this present world.
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End of discussion!!

bizmahn: okay honourable adult in Christ that have knowledge of the scriptures more than the apotles reply James on James 2:20: faith without works is dead.
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I'm still waiting...

bizmahn:
okay you that have knowledge of the scriptures more than the apotles reply James on James 2:20: faith without works is dead.

bizmahn:
Do you also realise that faith without works is dead james 2:20.The works of the law being spoken of in the verse you quoted are the ceremonial laws whereby animal sacrifices are done.It doesn't include the moral laws that require you to work in effort to live righteous.Work out your salvation.Phil.2:12,13.
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You seriously need a balanced understanding of the scriptures according to 2 tim.2:15....rightly dividing the word of truth.

bizmahn:
You are the one that truely needs help.You need to be delivered from downplaying the threat of sin to a sin loving,sin allowing,fake tongues speaking christian.

bizmahn: The only SPIRIT that can dwell in the life of a wilful sin allowing christian is an EVIL spirit and never the HOLY spirit.Are you truely holy ghost baptised? Go on and allow sin & decieve yourself that the holy spirit is still in you while you yet speak in those tongues you trust in.

bizmahn:
If you were ever taught the proper way to get born again you realise it involves total repentance,full confession & complete withrawal from all known sins.Not the type they practise in backslidden pentecostal churches these days that pronounces you born again with your sins intact.Even if you've never been holy,you must at least be fully repented & cleansed from all sins before you can ever be eligible for holy ghost baptism.

You don't really know much about salvation. If it was possible for you too gain God's approval by keeping the law then why did Jesus Christ have to die for our sins. Confessing your sins does not make you holy what you confess to get saved is Jesus Christ and do you mean that a sinner that gets born again will suddenly withdraw from all known sins

The Holy spirit aids and empowers you as you obey Him.He doesn't work without your submission & cooperation.

Now did I say you shouldn't cooperate with the Holy spirit.

If sins are still allowed wilfully as is the practise of so many misguided tongue speaking pentecostals,the spirit remains in corruption & cannot habour the HOLY spirit.

When you get saved, you become a new creature(your spirit). Your new spirit is incorruptible but what you have problem with is your body and your mind.

Folks like you are the reason why we have even half nak'ed prostitutes & unrepentant rougues in church speaking in "tongues".Your teaching in the above is part of the reason Catholic church members are bold to bash pentecostals.How can a spirit that is HOLY dwell in a sin infested spirit.Even catholics will mock you on this one.Bros,If you sin (at least wilfully) the HOLY spirit of the Jesus Christ (not the one of carnal pentecostals)will depart from you IMMEDIATELY take it or argue with it till Jerusalem.
Everybody needs the Holy Spirit, if a prostitute can get saved then he/she has qualified for the baptism of the Holy Spirit and I don't have any business with the catholics they can say what they like.
You have just talked like a pharisee, you are trying to gain God's approval by keeping the law instead of accepting Jesus Christ's righteousness

Bidam: Refer to this thread for clarity on the subject matter sir.

https://www.nairaland.com/1141513/why-believers-should-speak-tongues

Oduduwaboy:

So i have been wandering why 'God ' will create humans without us begging him to and then hide himself from us and at the same time demand we seek him and worship him . I think its only justifiable if he openly reveals himself and then ask me to worship him ; ....and why won't i?

Why .

daroz: How come nobody is able to answer this?