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AncestralPowers:Payment is made by the FG. Its not automated. it is the holiday that and laxity on the from the DMO and not network. You have to endure till at least Monday/Tuesday. |
bassdow:Yes ooo. They are advising it. The minimum from the issuer is N5,000,000 it's them that want to collate retail investors funds to invest on their behalf. For someone that has the N5,000,000 complete, it's better to invest it directly with via the direct agents or arrangers for the issuer. All bills and charges on commercial papers bar WHT is taken borne by the issuer. However, some sub agents sometimes look for avenue to reap you off. Like bluenest for example that will charge you N53,000 as management fee for the 5M. |
Most times we don't read the terms and conditions on investment before accepting. When I opened Stanbic IBTC Asset Management account then, I think what was stated on the form I filled as number of days to expect funds after withdrawal was about 3-5 working days. That said, consistently over time for me, they have been ok. On Monday 16/03/25 I made a withdraw request via the blue nest at about 7:15 AM. The money didn't drop instantly though but it came around 12:45 PM. Even after a message popped up when I submitted the request that it will take about 48 hours to it, I got it after about 5 hours 15 mins. Meanwhile, United Capital where most times I had to start chatting them and mailing after request, where I always put extra efforts surprised me by sending the funds after 1 hour 30 mins of my request with no effort that same day. For me, I understand that MMF account is different from a bank account right from the time I joined. However, I enjoy it too when I need money and it is released ontime. So what I do is that I ensured my security question and all what is required are accurately set up. Also, I do my withdrawal mostly first thing in the morning. I know that with Stanbic anything done after 12 or done on weekend and public holidays is likely to resort to a story and some back and forth. So to ensure a smooth sail, that's what I do. |
Alaska90:As a company, if they are short on working capital or have plans for expansion and all. This is one of the (easier) ways they can raise funds. It's not your investment with them that they will use to do all those. |
Stockhunter:The bolded is not correct. Stanbic does monthly compounding but if you require your interest to be paid to your account, it's done quarterly. At Ieast I use Stanbic and I know that at the end of everything month, my interest is added to my principal unlike FBN Quest and UCap that the addition is quarterly. |
HesInMe:Ucap and Stanbic are also conglomerates. United Capital as a financial and investment group consists of; the Assets Management and Wealth Management Arm, Microfinance Bank, Stock Broking Arm, Investment Banking Arm and the Trustee Arm. While Stanbic IBTC Holdings as listed also consists of the Commercial Banking Arm, the stock trading Arm, the Pension Funds Administration Arm, the Trustee Arm, the Insurance and Assurance Arm and the Stock Broking Arm. So both are not different from custodian. |
kalu61:Yes, It is an ongoing issaunce for 364 days. Which is to start counting from March 5th. The major disadvantage to it is that it is not secured. Which makes it more risky than TB and some secured or asset backed one. The second is the 10% WHT deduction. Which will make that 18.7088 later be about 16.8379 but then all other instruments like it are deducting too. Lastly your Inability to access your funds till it matures except you completely liquidate at FMDQ or whatever it is listed, if listed. So you should be sure you will leave it till maturity if interested so astl not to street yourself. That said, personally I would have invested in it if I had the funds but right now I don't. Majority of my funds are invested in other CP's. It's part of the ways I take my own risks. CP is one of the underlying assets of MMF's. Infact majority of these high rates we see from some of these other Asset Managers are from the CP's, PN's and call deposits and co. Though it requires some due deligence too. The track record of the issuer, the arranggers and agents marking them, perusing their financials to see the possibility of your funds coming out, their ratings and so on are all important. I have personally invested twice in Daraju CP's and was paid at maturity without issues. Like TB's, CP's are short term deposit too. Difference is that TB is issued by government and CP's are issued by companies. Government have a higher capability of paying back. However, the SEC, and the arrangers and agents will want the financial markets to be safe for investment by others and their brands too worth believing so they are the first to scrutinize the issuers ability before marketing it to customers and allowing the listing, if the issuer meets the requirements. MMF rates are set daily meaning if your are enjoying 20% now, it's not guaranteed for the week. Any rate locked in on CP remains minus deduction of 10% WHT. Also, most time the yield is always more that the rates you see. The yield there is about 23% and what you see and calculate is what you get no no deductions of management fees, handling charges by anybody. If you were to do just the minimum of 5M for the 364 collecting your interest upfront will be about N839,589 after WHT and N1,032,000 after WHT if your decided to roll over with the interest. Divide these 2 sum above and see, either 365 for daily rates, 12 for monthly rates and 4 for quarterly rates and see what you then you can also compared with your MMF. So for me it's worth it. For me also, I do them directly with the arrangers and agent when I do, so I don't incurr any extra cost other thank transfer charge and stamp duty from my end and WHT from their end at maturity. |
To each his own. I concur with the fact that Stanbic is fallen off from the standard it has set for itself. Not only in their asset management area but even banking. When I started using them, even the guys are their bank branches are able to discuss products of their other subsidiaries effectively and onboarding customers effortlessly. Now majority of those do not even know much about their bank products let alone other subsidiaries. The customer service has been poor. They were running a complicated interest system that only them understand by refusing to separate daily accrued interest from capital like others before but at least then even though not separate, there was a column you will see your interest accrued for the he month. Then they went and created one blunest that you can't differentiate your interest from capital at a glance and call it improvement. That's giving room for manipulation. That said, to be fair to them Stanbic IBTC bank had serious network issues. I tried making payments with my card in 3 different places at 3 different times and the transactions all failed. After about 3 days after, yesterday they sent this "Our card services and inbound and outbound transfers are now working with improved performance. You may still experience brief interruptions. We are on it and apologise for the inconvenience. For help: 0700 909 9099." Thank God I another card if not I would have been stranded. I tend to stick with all these names that are big and most time self regulate themselves even before their regulators act especially because they have a big name to protect. I was using Cashcraft back then as my stock broker and some other people invested in their mutual funds then too. I thank God the money I had in my account balance with them then was just some sweets change before sec hammered them and they started ignoring withdrawal request. So some people preaching for Stanbic might just be on that ground and nothing more. We should not be angry because people defend brands that have served them over the years and also do not discountenance other people's negative experience even if they are at variance with ours. |
zamirikpo:You are not going to a direct answer exactly the way you want it. Nobody can tell you the amount you are going to get except you contact the bank and they give you a particular rate they are ready to buy it. Reasons are: 1. You subscribed at the rate of 15.5% which is fixed and the only one we know. In terminating, it's only the bank that knows the rate they are willing to offer you for the remaining 4 months as they may also want to auction at the secondary market for other interested bidders. 2.If you didn't request for them to invest the principal with interest and that interest have not yet been taxed, if you would have already collected the interest. Now, depending on the rate it is sold, 10 WHT is likely to be also be deducted. 3. Rates at the he secondary market where it could be resolved are not usually fixed. It fluctuates.Meaning it could be a certain rate this morning and changes to a higher or lower rate in the afternoon or tomorrow morning depending on market exigencies. The bottom line of this is that you should contact the bank because it's only with them that you can get the right response. |
Please for those using Cardinalstone and First Ally which of the MMF do you want think is better? My better is not necessarily higher rate. My better is ease of navigating the website and app, ease of redemption of proceed when required, easy of depositing funds and good customer service. |
Abbaxxxzzz:That's what I keep telling people. Thomas Frank is a good coach but won't be able to do any magic with the team as things stands Having about 8 of your starters on injury list is no joke. It will shake any team. I wonder how he was able to grind out that draw against Manchester City. |
Megiserv:I understand your plight but it seems you left here or stop snoozing around the investment for a while so you didn't get to read when people were complaining earlier. While it is bad for GTB not to have deducted WHT from your account because it was not in your contract (Stated in your proof of investment), it's good to understand that the WHT did not just start with the new tax law. It has been in existence but was given holiday for some years and the holiday expire earlier like 2-3 years ago, I am not sure again. Some other financial institutions started collecting WHT from me since 2023. It's banks that started collecting from last year. |
KingCassy:Tell your friend to open an account with Standard Chartered Bank and download their mobile app. You will see many there. You may also need to have a USD or Pounds account with them as those investments are in either USD or Pounds. If he is interested he can just mail them sha. |
SonofElElyonRet:You can imagine a very strong member of SIB posting this kind of result. I think all the negatives there happened in collusion with the CBN if not what's this? And they said SIBs are subject to higher capital requirements, stricter, more rigorous, and more frequent supervision, and enhanced liquidity reporting. The board, majority shareholder and regulators did the minority shareholders dirty. Yes the new Oga say na new headquarters him must build. Is this company worth investing in at this time? |
Creditalerts:Amen ooo. |
While trying alternative investments aside what exists here, I did a corporate Sukuk (Taj Sukuk 2) last year. Right now it's about looking like the worst investment I have tried. I have done CP's, PN's and other alternative investments but this Taj Sukuk seems to be the the worst. I complain about FGN Sukuk and bonds proceeds for sometimes taking up to 5 days before being credited but this one is worse. First of all, it was advertised from June to July 2025. We made payment by July ending and after that, we expected to get the allocation (Proof and terms of investment) immediately to no avail until after like 2 months and a week or so in October. The bi-annual rent payment (coupon payment) was to start in January 2026. However, we got a mail informing us that they have graciously decided to pay us quarterly payment this January 2026 which means they want the investment to start counting from the October when the allocation notice was sent. Also, we were informed about 2 weeks and 2 days ago that the funds for the payment of rent was ready and that they are waiting for approval from SEC before disbursement. Up till now, nothing. 1. My first question that I would love to ask them is ' who bears the loss of rent on the first lose to 3 months the money spent with them? All the FGN SUKUK, Bonds, Savings bonds, CP's and PN's that I have done before starts counting from the closing date as stated in the advert. In this case, it is 28th July. 2. Payment dates are supposed to be fixed and payment is expected to be made to investors on the fixed days for as long as the the investment last. Which is minimum of 5 years in this case. Going by their 3 months, it starts counting from October 3rd meaning January 3rd was supposed to be their payment date. Yet we were only informed on the 9th of January that the funds is ready but needs SEC approval. It's supposed to be bi-annual payment or even quarterly if we go by their mail. Is this how we will continue to use almost 1 month to wait for SEC approval anytime payment is due or it's just a one off thing. I am posting this here to hear from other investors investors if there is any and to other potential investors of what it entails incase the ever come across and develop interest. |
UchihaRhaegar:How Una own dey happen na? Most times I pay into their Wema Bank Account and put my name and CSCS Number or Login username depending on the one I remember and before I know, I will just receive an email that the money has been credited. I can remember calling or mailing them to credit my account ooo. |
EquityM:Sterling just started. I have said it severally, before sterling, the only bank that does not charge you for transfer fee (if you like do 100 transfers in a day), SMS alert charge, ATM issuance fee ( their ATM card is free and lasts longer for about 6 years bar misplacement or damage), ATM card maintenance fee and all sundry charges other Nigerian banks do is Standard Chartered Bank. The likely of getting mints as released from the CBN through their banks and ATM without trading like other banks do. The only thing they have in common with other Nigerian banks is that they operate here in Nigeria and they will not pay you interest on your savings for the month if you do 4 upto transactions that makes money leave your account. The down side to them is that their branches are few and you will spend more time if you have any need to visit them. |
Calinson2000:We have said it here severally, Bankers would not just leave you to move money from your account elsewhere. Be it investment or even other banks because that your money is making someone (your account officer) to meet his/her own target. What you should do in the scenario that they stand in your way after you have made your findings and you are convinced about your investment is to either go to another branch of that bank to make your request or better still write to their customers care which is usually at their Head office. From their instructions will be given to them. Another way to go is to be firm with your resolve and if they drag feet you go the confrontational way of either reporting them to their manager or threaten to report to their Head office. This however, usually affects relationships because you may need them some other time for other things. |
Calinson2000:Banks usually collate people's funds and invest for them. So you must not have upto 50M before you can invest in Primary Market. Some banks accept as low as 100k while others starts from 500k or 1m. The only disadvantage with that, is that you must go with the banks rate. Meaning you don't have the independence of choosing your rate as you would have had it you were to invest 50m. |
Coolis:Unfortunately, the thread is named Mutual Funds and the Equity Funds being discussed here is also a Mutual Fund. EquityM:There actually no need for this because all issues of Funds can Still be discussed here. Equity Funds is also a Mutual Funds. Main Equity as in stock or share is discussed here: https://www.nairaland.com/1131485/nigerian-stock-exchange-market-pick That there wey we dey for equity update as we dey do am small small for ourselves. |
There is something happening about finance in government areas especially with this particular dispensation that I find amusing. Not because it's funny but because anywhere it happens and you want to voice it out, you will see some people thinking you are anti government and want you to keep quiet, sometimes even those affected ooo. Before this present day government, in the organisation where I worked salaries are paid 22-27th monthly. With exception to festive periods where it could be paid earlier depending on the date. It was once paid around 16th because of Salah back then. Now with this government, in my agency salaries are paid mostly after 30th. Christmas could not even make them pay earlier. As if that's not enough then there is some kind of selective payment. This means that as January is now, some staff and bank will be selected and paid while other will be left complaining till maybe on the 20th or month end and the presently due salary will be released with that of last month. February others new sets of people will be selected and treated same way. We all do not collect salary at the same time anymore. Before all personnel collects their salaries in that salary week. Variations may only occur with day and time in that particular week because of difference in banks. When you complain to your organisation or bank, you would be referred to IPPIS and when you complain to IPPIS you will be referred to either your bank or your organisation. We were discussing in our organisation's WhatsApp group when a senior colleague private chatted that I am not supposed to say it is an APC thing that we should channel the blame to the head of my agency instead. In his words" The truth remains that political appointees are often the ones aligning themselves with party bigwigs to perpetrate these injustices against workers. What affects you equally affects me. No one here is encouraging mediocrity, but it is also a fact that no political party, whether present or past has been able to effectively monitor the activities of all parastatals and government agencies to ensure probity. Our own leaders- ogas are the ones engaging in unacceptable practices. As true as his take is, I never experienced under the PDP adminstration. Thank God I didn't gain employment under APC so I have experienced both. Also, all head of agencies are political appointees of the government that are supposed to better represent them to make followers/worker feel their impact and if not be replaced. Yet we are not feeling it. Na only media propaganda they dey run. Lastly, we are not paid directly by our Ogas but by IPPIS which is a central government payment system. Sorry, I shouldn't do this by bringing this up here but I had to. Why, because I saw some complaints about non payment of matured bond proceeds as and when due on some pages back. In all the former administrations that I have invest in government debt, in fact even under Buhari, the only time I did not get matured proceed of my investment in either FG Bond, FG Savings Bond, Sukuk or TB on the day of maturity is either maybe the maturity date fell on a weekend or pub holiday. The worst that have ever happen to me if I don't see that day, is to wake up to it the next morning. But now, nobody send you. In fact sometimes if could take more than 5 days after maturity. My complaint full TB thread on several non payments as and when due. The last Sukuk that made the guys complain here was due on Monday 29th December 2025 and was later paid on Friday 2 January 2026. So it cuts across this time and that's why it seems to me like an APC system thing from where I am observing. The DMO is another agency entirely, this one sef deals with government borrowing and people's investment. Where Integrity should count most. Why can't they try and be different. Me na worker, I no get party so I fit talk as e de pain me. Instead of some party faithful and those loyal to Oga at the top to see this as a hate for their party or candidate, kindly help us to push some of this complaints forward and once these things take better shape, people like us will keep quiet and focus on our hustle. I had to pour my mind somewhere before them drive me mad. One of my FG Saving Bond coupon is payment due on 10/1/26. Today na 13/1/26 I never see am and I no dey see sign say them fit pay am today. Na so we go de dey? |
Valthegreat:There are other information on the form given to you. Just fill those ones. Your CSCS and CHN no, the names and quantities of shares you have etc. once that's done whether you fill the shareholders number or not, they'll have enough information on your form to sort that out themselves. |
As a contrarian wey I be, let me inform us that equity funds is only sweet when NGX is in bull season such as this present period oooo. It's not always like this every time. It is the most risky mutual fund of all the funds managed by asset managers. So if you are looking at the returns just bear the risk in mind too. With MMF which is the least risky of all funds, interest earned today remains even if TB rate reduce to 2%. The interest will never come below what's earned unless you withdraw. Equity funds however does not have regards for interest earned ooo unless it's withdrawn. If serious bear show na so e go tell on the funds too ooo. It's said that the higher the risk, the higher the reward but for balance and better investment risk management we should just learn to diversify. |
orriyomi33:Two ways. 1. You can your broker to generate and print you CSCS for you. If your right is credited, even if it's not in your brokerage account with your broker, it will be in your CSCS account. 2. The other way is to subscribe for the CSCS access yourself directly from CSCS for a fee. If you want to do this, it's not automatically online as it seems. The process of subscription is still semi analogue. You will have to send a mail to contact.cscs.ng and informing them of your intention to subscribe. They'll then reply you with the subscription types, amount and account to pay to. After which you would be asked to forward your brokerage account details and evidence of payment. Then as soon as the account is created your login details will be forwarded to you. |
Oyibopepe2000:Most times, it's just fear of the unknown that makes people carry unverified rumours. There's no way your saving will be taxed. Also, your principal/capital will not be taxed. If you check your proof of payment, WHT are usually only placed/deducted from interests/profits or gains not capital. |
Iamblessed88:You can contact United Capital Trustees Limited or Meristem Registrars and Probate Services for more on it. |
vanvickie:The question was answer immediately after your post. It's not your capital that is taxed. It's your gain or interest that is tax. If they tax you further after the deduction of WHT it will amount to double taxation. The taxation for investments like CP's, TB's and corporate bonds (Shot Term Debt) is Withholding Tax (WHT) and it's on interest/profit made. In fact even the Capital Gains Tax (CGT) which has capital in its name focus more on gains or profits made, not the capital invested. |
Nakedman:People just dey do anyhow for this administration and nobody to caution them. Even Sukuk IV rent/coupon payment that was due on 29th of December have not been paid. As far as I know, these things doesn't used to be like this before this present. Even workers are owed salaries for additional one month within their organisation and nobody can say anything. |
drealj:After delaying for 2 day? True DMO no dey try at all. Always lagging behind since 2023. |
Streetinvestor2:I follow complaint bitterly when things were going up perpetually and prices didn't even want to stabilise let alone come down but now I am seeing reductions in prices of some items especially food items. Not fashion, electronic or other imported items ooo. Some food items are now getting cheaper especially in the North and around Abuja. I don't know about the entire south and middle belt because things are usually more expensive in Kogi state that's very close to Abuja than Abuja itself. At this time last year big bull was about 95k going to 100k in markets around here but now it's about 58k, brown and honey beans was around 2,800 to 3,200 per mudus but it's now around 750-1k, white garri was around 1,000-1200 now it's 400-550 per mudu, Golden penny spag was around 23k - 24k now it around 19k-20k, Golden penny oil 4lt sold around 15,500 early this year has gone back to about 13,500. Tubers of yam (10 per set) bought about 20k - 25k last year is now around 15k. In fact basket of Tomatoes bought around 65k late last month around here is selling for about 25k presently. However, proteins like beef, mutton and fish have soared above where it was. It's only chicken that reduced slightly since then but Christmas may inflate the price again So while we cannot say everything has come down, we can say that somethings are actually coming down. |
temi4fash:If you do it appropriately you shouldn't encounter issues. It will be done same day. First is to transfer the money to that their citi bank MMF collection account. secondly, make sure that while doing the transfer you will indicate your MMF account number and name only on the remark/reason for payment column/space. Thirdly, make sure it's done early, no matter what before 12:00 PM. Also, don't do it on weekends and public holidays. With the above, you will be fine. |