bennyann:


Didn't you see we commended CatfishBilly for not going that way? Even analice107 didn't hide the fact from the thread created today.

I talked about the insults also yesterday.

We know CatfishBilly, we don't need him to expose himself like that before we take him serious. He's been here with us for a very long time.

We were only happy because someone could face him just as you would be happy to see someone facing kingebukasblog or felixomor or who else should I even call.
It was just like a normal thing.

CatfishBilly suddenly thought his profession was at stake? is the name on his certificate CatfishBilly?

We all know you're a doctor, it was just a faceless argument between theists and atheists which normally you all know how you degrade yourselves during such times.

But how come this hurts? Because it seems all of a sudden the theists seem to be having fun? But haven't you had your seasons of fun also in even a more demeaning manner to the theists?

There are better ways of handling it though. But since you guys chose to showcase your cert, you should have done it without hiding anything.

CatfishBilly you should understand me. You're smarter than this.

Well said bennyann....

But you know what? You're only saying this because it turned the other way round...

If it had ended the way it started, I bet the story would very been entirely different...

Greetings to those who kept sentiments aside.
Thumbs Billy, and thanks Benny.

Cleopatra4:

But I'm a lady na

My bads pls.

You look pretty @Wall

Following

LastMumu:
So you did JAMB and passed, that to you is the core evidence that God exists?

Interesting.

Thumbs for this comment of yours

And suddenly, they have all disappeared.

Spacetacular will be comfortable to now switch to his main ID since the medical debate is over.

Cleopatra4:

(anointing water with version release like say Na application /software dem dae develop)
This got me laughing

That's the raw truth miss......

We know them too well

urheme:



you are not yet a health professional.....may be in equity.
there are senior medical consultants who strongly believe in God.

sorry about your mums condition....But God is not the reason for failed prayers.....running from church to church actually compounded your mum's problem....the recommended medication for a sick person according to the Bible is a prayer of faith and apply anointing oil....this you or your mum can actually do.

I am happy to announce to you that there is divine health and divine healing......it is a life style free of sins not necessarily full of prayers and fasting
You can connect to divine health even without going to any church.....it is a free gift from God Alone....not merchantable.......

I use to be like you after many failed prayers.....but now i Know better.....My conversion from Atheism to Christianity was a personal encounter with the power of God........If God can heal me then all creatures can be heal.......

My dear i Pray for total restoration for your mum in Jesus Name. Amen

Yes. And that's because they were born into religious homes.

KingEbukasBlog:


Felixomor is a doctor

The doctor that claimed and defended the concept of a sleeping brain?
Where did you get this gist of yours from?

and JoshTheFirst is a medical student . They both acknowledge the existence of God and miracles . Doctors are very much likely to be theists than any profession

I never dispute this fact.

Ben Carson is the world's greatest neurosurgeon and still acknowledges God's miracles and prayers .

And your point(s) for bringing this up?

What you have as evidence are empty claims and unverifiable anecdotes

Empty claims how? Anyways, people like you are die hard fans of Yahweh. I did more than this for yahweh Bro.
I know better.

If you wanna know if the miracles (mind-blowing ones) are real, kindly take a patient with HIV confirmed via quantitative methods(PCR, ELISA) not qualitatively to any of these churches, and see if the person will become negative.

Take a man who has his testes removed due to prostrate cancer and see if a new testes will grow back.

Now, to the purpose of the thread, I will be discussing the secrets of miracles and prayers.

Mechanism behind prayer
Here is the logic and rationale behind what we see on TV.
The very moment we are afflicted or encounter difficulties, we become automatically prone to these MIRACLES and PRAYERS saga..
Our weaknesses become exposed therefore making us MUMU.
We agree with what ever we're told in bid to believe all the solutions offered via prayer will solve the problem.

1. Sweet words.
We humans are so emotional. Say sweet words and you very located the mumu button of most weak people.
For example, when we visit doctors, even without him making prescription, we see ourselves getting better.
Placebo is what I call it.

2. How do Pastors perform their miracles?
There are different techniques used by Pastors.
- Many stage it. They pay people to act the drama.
This is why most of the people shown on TV are anonymous. We barely them.

Hardly will you see these men of god coming down to the north to perform their miracles where better POSITIVE patients full.
- Audience pretend not to fall the pastor hand. (I was a testimony to this).
- Many give us what we want which is MONEY.

Here is a simple logic on how prayers and miracles WORK using money.

When we afflicted with problems and seek men of god for solutions.
The sensible ones looks critically into the matter and within themselves know that FINANCE is the miracle and prayer.

They tell you to kneel down and pray for you. Immediately after the prayer, they give you money to go sort out whatever your problems are.

3. Finding alternatives(seeking option B) and praying.
Tho many Christians will say FAITH without work is useless but just laugh whenever I hear such a response.

You want to write an exam, you read and then pray. You eventually pass and claim it's the prayer....

We have body pains, you take diclofenac and pray, eventually, claim its prayer.

We have headache due to stress. We sleep to relax the body and headache eventually goes off, we claim its god miracle.

Mumcy was admitted in a Psychiatric Hospital for just 30days and her condition became something of the past.

Imagine, 30days, something Yahweh couldn't do from 2006 - 2014
Something Anointing water couldn't do...

Just drugs and lobatan

After all the ups and downs, we came across someone who then gave us a solution that BROS-JAH couldnt achieve.

A solution that never required faster neither did it require prayers nor casting and bindings.

IN fact, the solution encouraged and advised us to EAT WELL, SLEEP WELL, NEVER TO SHOUT.

What was this solution?
The solution was Science which is showing its advancement in MEDICINE.....

Please, no Christian should tell me these craps of;
- Everything happens for a reason.
Can you please list the reasons?

- God was waiting for the perfect time to manifest his power in ya family.
Abeg when is the perfect time? (2006-2014)
Oh, or until my mum run enter market before Bros J and his invisible monster manifest them powers àbí?

- You had little or no faith
Yet the anointing water that has been making people becoming billionaires didn't work on mental impairment.
Yet the faith from pastor Christopher over the call no heal her?

I had phone numbers of customer cares (prayer helpline) of the business companies I listed above.....

COS I was naive and desperate for solutions to my mum's problem, I thought PRAYERS OTA (over the air) could make her normal,for where. All na just TV actions/gymnastics. Na for TV e end, nothing more.

Many claimed and termed it spiritual attacks from the enemies (lol, am happy I know better now).

- We prayed.
(now I understand better that prayers were just noise making. It won't add or subtract from what ever you are in. In fact, you are even stressing yourself. Disturbing your neighbours with your noise.)

- We casted demons, Lucifer
(now I understand we were only casting ourselves because no be Lucifer give my mama psychosis)

- We fasted.
(now I understand we were only starving ourselves unnecessarily. You intentionally out of gullibility, naiveness and weakness punish our stomachs)

Wetin we no do?
We did virtually everything

We even binded the bindable both on earth and in heaven and loosed the loosables both on earth and in heaven.....

We visited all these known churches that I see NL CHRISTIANS using all their lifetime to defend.
I mean all these mumu business enterprises like
- SCOAN abi n'a SCO for the gullible nations,
- Winners abi na LOOSERS,
- Redeem,
- Trinity salvation Church of christ.
- Liberation TV church owner pastor Chris Okafor.
- CMCM

Abeg make una name the church wey we no visit?
Ooooh, I we no go Apostle Daniella Okeke church

IN fact, the so called stupid anointing water of Thief B Joshua didn't work. (anointing water with version release like say na Application/software dem dae develop).

Believe me, all those things we see are just TV shows / dramas

May i add to the fact that am a Medical Student, therefore writing with a full knowledge of things I never understood in the past.

To continue my story, her depression state metamorphosed to her hearing unusual voices, saying jargons (words that made no sense).
The conditions highlighted above is what is referred to as hallucination and schizophrenia. In fact, she started becoming violent towards everyone.

But because I wasn't a health professional then, the problem persisted for a long while (2006 - 2014)

The long duration and solutions to her conditions made me to really understand the rationale behind PRAYERS and MIRACLES....

Story in Full
Before now, I was a devoted Christian in the past and trust me, I know every hooks and corners about Christianity.

I believe after typing the above, many will say I was never a TRUE CHRISTIAN (lol.)

Back to the topic:
During my secondary school days, my mum started developing mental impairment which medically I can refer to as psychosis.
Unknown to us, we thought is was just normal stuffs cos the symptoms never manifested at once. It was a gradual something.

When It became serious, it was beyond control then because we believed GOD(the invisible monster) through PRAYERS(mild psychosis which I call psychotic noise making) and MIRACLES(which I refer to ad drama) could perform wonder.

Little did we know that we were adding more PETROL to fire. Also, Little did we know Prayer and miracles are fake and just things to keep the mind at ease

Many take prayers and miracles as something of the spirit or inspiration and intervention from a most high/Supreme being called god or God

But I see define prayer as a placebo/opiate for weak.

This article is not to infuriate the mind of Christians but to make you all see the absurdities in the scam called miracles and prayers.

On this post, I'll be sharing a glimpse of my personal and life experience (aka my family as a whole).

Do pardon my grammatical blunders and errors cos am not a good writer but will try to pass my message across as simple as possible.

IAmSirMichael:


Sorry but do I know you?

I don't think so.. You sounded pained by ya response

Mcowubaba:
Lol,
Oga people associate with who the are COMPATABLE with.

I agree with part where you clearly stated people associate themselves with whom they're compatible with.
But in this case as the Op stated, you theists see us as Gay, satanist, Lucifer

Most Igbos marry their fellow Igbos
Most whites marry their fellow whites
Most Hausas marry their fellow Hausas
Most Christians marry their fellow Christians
Most HIV patients marry themselves
Etc, the list goes on

Am happy you said "most"

Naturally, Atheist should marry their fellow Atheist.

Yea, atheists do marry themselves. In fact, on NL, I could mention one (a lady tho)
But this is just BTW. If am to go by your logic, there have been hundreds of religion even before Christianity came into be. And if these old religious people are to be Marrying each other just like you stated, we wouldn't have had much Christians..
Morealso, using Nigeria as an example to buttress my point. Before the coming coming of Christianity into our country, our forefathers were worshipping an entirely different God (so different from Yahweh). If they were to practice what you typed above, you wouldn't have been fighting for Ya belief

How can an Atheist be in a serious relationship with a theist, it can't work.

And this is why the Op created the thread. To know the reasons why you can't engage into relationships with us

This is not rocket science or The big bang theory.
It's highly logical.

Then if it's logical, you should see the my response is trying to foster harmony and love between atheists and theists.

It's no joke. A Muslim marrying a Christian or vice versa, rarely occurs, note both Religious groups have the largest population in the world, but yet the RARELY marry each other.
Not to talk about Atheism which is not even acceptable in Most places of the world, including Africa, it's a no go adventure.

Now, have you ever sat yourself down to ask yourself why other religious people don't marry people they have different beliefs with?

The answer is simple.
We are all atheists, just they many of you go one god further thereby bring hate and superiority in the versions of god.
Everybody claims to be serving the right and true god

Do you know that a Renowned Atheist can't or probably wouldn't be qualified (or maybe screen out) to contest in a USA, UK or Australian Presidential Election (I stand to be corrected)

Pulling strawman....

No derailing

IAmSirMichael:
Shut up! People are saying they are atheist, you too open mouth

It's never a must to comment on a thread.

BTW, what make you think he's not an atheist
Or are you pained that he's one?

Hoping to reads mynd44 's contributions

Lalaticlala, happy Sunday oo

Cc lalasticala

Dear house, I ve been pondering over this for sometime now and yet to be convinced....

Please, nobody shld POISON THE WELL as regards my question(s).

Statistically, I believe most of you will agree with me that, the rate of unanswered prayers is far greater than that of answered ones.

1) How do you reconcile within yourself why some prayers are answered and most aren't?
2) When a believer (YOURSELF and OTHERS) pray to God to stop a wrong,
- is it that the deity doesn't know what's happening?
- or it doesn't know that it's wrong?

The End



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Imagine, for a moment, that you live in a different country and are the descendent of a rebellious tribe who resisted the rule of a dictator. Because your ancestors rebelled, you must pay for the crime even though you had nothing to do with it. This dictator tells you what you can eat and on which days you can eat it. How you can love and who you can love. He tells you that you must submit to him before every meal and every night before bed. He tells you that he is infallible, omnipotent, and omniscient. But, above all, he loves you and you should love him. If you disobey or do not submit to him, you will be tortured for the rest of your life. However, if you follow the rules you will be just fine. Now, what would you say if I told you that I don’t think you could act morally if you didn’t live in a society like this? This is how it sounds when a theist says that I cannot be moral if I don’t believe in their specific version of the “Dictator”. What an absurd statement. It is insulting to me and it should also be insulting to you. I sincerely hope that you are not being a villain just because your deity told you not to.

I hope that I have, at the least, given you an outside perspective of what the theistic world looks like to the irreligious. I would like to make an emotional appeal for God now, because I just cannot see a logical or ethical one.

I believe Steven Weinberg put it best when he said, “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” In essence, he is saying that decent people will still commit good deeds and evil people will still commit evil deeds. However, a good person, when told not to question and to just have faith in something can be coerced into doing something evil. For example, when someone commits suicide or genocide to get into their brand of paradise. If they weren’t under the spell of religious fervor, do you really think they would do this?

People are always saying that those who don’t believe in God can’t be moral. I, however, can’t see how theists can be moral. The God of the Bible says multiple times to kill homosexuals, fornicators, non-believers, adulterers, disobeying children, people of other religions, and anyone who works on the Sabbath. So my question to them is why, if they’re not going to follow the word of their God, are they worshipping him? Why not subscribe to a more peaceful and loving belief system?

After we have sawn off a part of their body we teach them to fear the God that they are supposed to love with the nasty story of Noah’s Ark. I was told this story as a child as if it was some fun children’s story. Essentially, God made flawed creations and then commands them to be perfect. Then, because they aren’t being perfect, he decides to ruthlessly murder every creature except the ones on the ark. What a petty and malicious God to go along with an already horrible story. It sounds like a capricious child playing with ants on a sidewalk. And, why do all of the other creatures on earth have to die for this God to murder the humans? Couldn’t the omnipotent one come up with a better plan for their extermination? If this were true then the God of the bible would be worse than Hitler, in that he committed mass genocides so that he could breed his ultimate race. His prejudice, jealousy, and mistake in creation shows that this God would certainly not be omniscient or omnipotent. The God of the Bible also had no quarrel with slavery. As a matter of fact, he supported it and instructed one on how to attain, hold, and treat their slaves.

Circumcision is common in the modern age, but how did it become common? Think about it, you are sawing off part of the Instruments of a child! Is it not odd that it upsets us when theists do it to women, but when they do it to male babies it’s just what God commanded? How disgusting, and why on earth are we mutilating infants in this day and age!