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Religion / Re: Dear Theism: A Pragmatic Letter To The Religious by ftechclass: 9:21pm On Apr 23, 2017
C. Morality

The wooden picket sign was starting to splinter the young girl’s hands, but she dare not lower it. It reads, “God Hates gays”. Though her hands bleed and ache, she has a smile on her face. She knows that her parents would be proud that she is spreading the word of God. In the distance she hears the shouts of blasphemers and sinners. But over all of them she hears her father bellowing, “Homosexuality is a sin!” As his voice becomes louder and more ferocious, so too does her love for him, and Jesus.

How could someone brainwash a child into believing such abhorrent, insatiable, and vile beliefs? What would make a man so angry with a group of fellow primates who want nothing more than to love freely and openly? I want to engage in a conversation with you, and find out what is really causing this ignorance and hatred.

Theists are always going on about their morality; however, I have trouble seeing it. Where was the morality in the Crusades, inquisition, witch-hunts, 9-11, or countless other religious transgressions? Theists often respond, “Well, of course, you would bring those up.” As Stephen Fry once elegantly put it, “It’s a bit like a burglar in court saying, “Well you would bring up that burglary, and that manslaughter. You never mention the fact that I gave my father a birthday present.” Religion has undoubtedly caused a great amount of harm in the world and I will not have it passed off with a shrug of the shoulders, as if it were some tired complaint.

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Religion / Re: Dear Theism: A Pragmatic Letter To The Religious by ftechclass: 9:16pm On Apr 23, 2017
B. Why one might believe in God

The most powerful incentive to being a theist is the comfort of thinking you’ll live forever. Above all, humans throughout history have been afraid of death. The added pleasures of going to a place after you die where you will see and be with your family is also very tempting (for some people). For many though, it is almost impossible to give up their religion. Their life, culture, and family are just so intertwined with it. I know quite a few people who are of this bunch, they don’t actually believe it anymore but they know it is important to their family. Historically, religion has also inspired some of the most beautiful creations through art. And I would never want anything of the culture, history, or art to be molested by destructive forces. It is much like how I still absolutely love Christmas – yes, Christmas is amazing. How could an Atheist love Christmas? The very same way that you love Halloween or the Tooth Fairy. You don’t actually believe those things are real, but they are fun, and part of our culture!

I derive my ethics and worldviews from great philosophers, authors, and scientists. Most importantly though, I don’t just accept what I am told. If I am told some new idea or philosophical concept, I will think it through for myself. And, if I find flaws in it, I will not annex it. There is something to be said for thinking for yourself. I pity the people who ignorantly submit to nasty bronze-age myths just because they were raised that way.

For, as Christopher Hitchens said, “Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.”

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Religion / Re: Dear Theism: A Pragmatic Letter To The Religious by ftechclass: 9:12pm On Apr 23, 2017
4. The Excuse That We Can't Disprove God Existence

“You can’t disprove God either!” Sure, I can’t disprove God, just like she can’t disprove unicorns. The fact that you can’t disprove something is not sufficient evidence to believe in it. Generally, in the U.S., people believe in some sort of God so they act like you are the one making the claim. So let me make this clear. If she is the one claiming something incorporeal, then it is incumbent on her to provide the evidence. If I claim that an invisible boogey man is in the backseat of her car, I would bear the burden of proof, not her. Like a theist, I could say, “Well, you can’t prove there is no invisible boogey man in your car.” And, it wouldn’t make it any more true.

I may be wrong, but I think that addresses most of the arguments for believing in God. I will next attempt to make the case that theism is morally lacking.

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Religion / Re: Dear Theism: A Pragmatic Letter To The Religious by ftechclass: 9:09pm On Apr 23, 2017
3. The Pascal Wager Quote

Pascal’s Wager, has undoubtedly been used by every theist to date.

It states that:
you would be better off to believe in God than to not. Even if all the evidence suggests there isn’t a god. For if there is no god, nothing is going to happen when you die.
However, if there is, and you didn’t believe, then you are going to hell.


- First off, I will not be bullied into believing anything and I can’t imagine a god that would be so petty to do so, but I’ll go more into that later.

- Secondly, how does she know which god is the right god to worship? How does she know that while she’s worshipping Yahweh she’s not making Thor progressively angrier?

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Religion / Re: Dear Theism: A Pragmatic Letter To The Religious by ftechclass: 9:01pm On Apr 23, 2017
3. The Intelligent Designer Proof For Existence Of God

The argument of design can simply be discarded by looking at the argument.

It states:
the Earth and the life on it is too complex to have occurred naturally; therefore, it must have been designed.


If it is true that something complex cannot occur naturally, that it would need to have a designer, then the designer would be even more complex and would also need a designer. This is an infinite regress.

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Religion / Re: Dear Theism: A Pragmatic Letter To The Religious by ftechclass: 8:58pm On Apr 23, 2017
2. Using Personal Relationship As an Excuse For The Existence Of God

Another common bit of ecclesiastical evidence, and probably one of the more cliché ones, is the personal experience proof. It works for any and all religious or supernatural claims; therefore, it cannot be used to prove any one of them. Still though, we can take a closer look. They can range from seeing and hearing ghosts to, my favorite – a prayer, wish or spell “works”. We can begin with the latter. If it so happened that she wished for something and it came true and she started to feel as if there is something to this, she should stop and ask herself two questions.

One, how many times have I wished for things before and they didn’t occur?

Two, was my wish really more important than the billions of others? Even the ones struggling through starvation, degeneration, and deprivation? What about the child being tortured to death by disease or war?

But no, her god is out granting wishes to safe, healthy, and, frankly, comparatively spoiled Americans. If so, she can have fun justifying that to herself morally. The people who claim to have seen apparitions, usually have dramatized and relived a mundane memory so many times that it becomes so distorted that even they become completely void of objectivity and honesty. The other portion are likely to have been cognitively impaired at the time, i.e. tired or hallucinating. The fact of the matter is that humans have had ways to observe, record, and test these ghost stories for over a century now. Through all of this documentation we still have no evidence to even slightly prove any of it.

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Religion / Re: Dear Theism: A Pragmatic Letter To The Religious by ftechclass: 8:54pm On Apr 23, 2017
1. Using The Bible As Evidence For The Existence Of A Supreme Being

Usually, but not always, the first piece of evidence given is the Bible. However, this is by far the weakest. The fact that people wrote about something does not make it true. If it worked that way, Hogwarts would be real – not only to my pleasant surprise but also many of my contemporaries. Even if you granted that it was a special piece of literature because it claims revealed or divine truths, she would still have to explain why the Rig Veda or the Koran are not just as true in proving their gods.

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Religion / Dear Theism: A Pragmatic Letter To The Religious by ftechclass: 8:51pm On Apr 23, 2017
Dear Theism: A Pragmatic Letter to the Religious by Robert Poe

A. Rationale

I sat in the dimly lit dining room, pleasantly engaged in good company and even better conversation. The topic was Islamic dogma and my friend was Catholic.

“Yes, but it is their culture,” She pointed out.

“True, however, I have a problem with any religion that tries to force belief down my throat,” I said with indignation.

She too disliked this ghastly crime committed by almost every faith and so she replied, “I know, that is unbearable!”

I figured this was a sweet enough time as any, and attempted a final point, “And, it is not as if you go around thinking you’re right and they’re all wrong, do you?”

She paused for just a moment and then rather firmly stated, “No, I don’t think I’m right, I am right.”

The statement looks simple and reasonable enough. In fact, why would she commit herself to a belief if she didn’t believe it to be right? Yet, there is a sickly truth here, masquerading as innocence. Let us delve into the depths of this, shall I say, solipsism.

When she claims that she propitiates the one correct god, she is claiming that billions of people before her and with her are wrong. Alright, well, let’s not get all hot and bothered too quickly as this has been done before; for example, with heliocentrism and other scientific discoveries. What evidence does she have that her one particular form of monotheism is, indeed, the correct one?

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Religion / Re: Is God Beyond Logic? - Discussion by ftechclass: 7:28pm On Apr 13, 2017
I would say "Why would you worship something that even you don't understand, then have the nerve to get offended when people don't worship him with you...?"

If their "god" is beyond logic, why they created an image for the guy?
Why they explained what it does and what it can?
Why they say bullish!t like "god is good" "god loves you" when logic doesn't applied to it? Seriously,

Those kind of people are just making themselves more foolish.
I would accept it if an Agnostic told me that if a god would ever to exist it will be beyond comprehension since he wasn't trying to fool himself by making a bullish!t picture of a god unlike these bunch of religious freaks.
This is just ridiculous, those ppl will never be able to dish out anything rational.

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Religion / Re: Is God Beyond Logic? - Discussion by ftechclass: 7:23pm On Apr 13, 2017
ifenes:
God in the religious term is how you explain how the different forms of energy works to a toddler. As the child grows he gets to understand that he himself/ herself is the Energy we talk about.

Saying that God is the creator, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient is the same things as Energy is everywhere, has the ability to take any form and is everything we can imagine.

Both science and Religion are saying the same thing but on different levels.

Atheism is right to go against the suprem white beard guys spying on my naked wife in the bathroom, watching her every move.... That idea is pervy, isn't it? There isn't a God in the sky.

Another group who studied the bible believe that God is an idea that came from the stories of a group of life forms who were way more advance than today's humans/ ancient humans. They believe these life forms gave rise to the misunderstanding of what God is in Christiandom and other religions.

Is God beyond logic? Yes and no, depending on which God ideology. The White God patrolling the heavens, creator of hell fire and always in constant need of worship false. But it is a misunderstanding of the human being a vehicle of pure energy who is capable of making his life hellish or heavenly.

Honestly the Christian God idea is unfortunate in the sense that crushing it also means you crush the essence of the true human itself.

My opinion, Man is God Energy that cannot be destroyed. This concept is misunderstood and makes Atheism wrong in saying there isn't a God. There is a God/ Energy in all of us. Otherwise we wouldn't function.

This comment is so brilliant and insightful
Religion / Re: Should Cloning Be Legal - Debate On Cloning by ftechclass: 5:45pm On Apr 12, 2017
No. We are overpopulated, resources are becoming scarce, aggression has been steadily increasing, global warming and pollution are causing ecosystems to collapse... And you want to make more people artificially, on top of those already made rapidly by natural means?
Bleep that, we need to halt our uncontrolled population growth, or we could face the extinction of all complex life on this planet.

but I think we should focus on the people first and improve our lives and health. Baby steps, baby steps.

Do organ cloning first, save lives, detour cures by replacing the ill organ (like pancreas, lungs... Hearts). Then revisit cloning. I say this because if someone was born sick, a clone would be sick too.

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Religion / Re: Is God Beyond Science? - No by ftechclass: 2:23pm On Apr 12, 2017
Niflheim:
@ftechclass,

This is the part of creationists that is so irritating and annoying!!! How can someone who doesn't understand science(the creationist), now claim that god is beyond the same science that he himself does not understand? They need to first understand science before even being able to debate about it!!!

That piece about "Your Argument is invalid", basically sums up the average Nairaland christain!!! 99% of all their arguments are invalid!!!

They ask foolish questions like, "Hey, Atheist, tell me how the Universe came from Nothing?"

Sadly, their argument fails in so many ways!!!

1.There is no atheistic doctrine on how the Universe came into being.

2.Lawrence Krauss, who spoke about a Universe from nothing, was not even referring to a "literal nothing", he was referring to virtual particles in a false vacuum!!!

3.To talk about "Time" before the Big Bang, is like talking about retirement before your 5th birthday!!! It is imbecilic!!! How do you know you will even retire?!!! How do you know you will not die before your 21st birthday?

4.The books that talk about a Universe from nothing, ARE THE CHRISTIAN BOOKS, and yet these liars will still insist that atheists should explain how the world came from nothing!!!

Well said and nice contribution.

Cc Seun, what do you think about this post?
Lalasticlala, what are your opinions? Do you think god is beyond science
Religion / Re: Why Do Christians Fear Atheists by ftechclass: 2:21pm On Apr 12, 2017
Freewoman:


SATAN AT WORK HERE.....................................................
god created Satan too naw...

Anyways, do you love him(Op)?
Religion / Re: Why Do Christians Fear Atheists by ftechclass: 2:20pm On Apr 12, 2017
My opinions as to why Christians Fear atheists are;

1) Because underneath it all they understand that thy're arguments tend to be very weak. They feel as though they get a great deal of strength, hope and solace in they're beliefs and they're afraid of losing that if the jarring nectar of reason trickles into their ears.

2) Their hate is the sign of their weakness, they know we are dangerous because we have what they lack, such as - "common sense".

3) Christians fear Atheist because of Hell. The fear of hell is real for them. If only they could open their eyes to reason and let go of the fear of hell and the guilt and shame of sin, they would be free to enjoy life.

4) Add yours
Religion / The Unexplained Hoax by ftechclass: 9:11am On Apr 12, 2017
The Unexplained Hoax

"Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die." Well , I find this funny, @fellows.

What are your thoughts?
Religion / Re: To The Theist - Detailed Concept Of God by ftechclass: 11:03am On Apr 11, 2017
Junia:
What atheist don't know is that it takes much faith to be an atheist.
Do not derail.

This piece is to shed light to some things and not to argue.

Cc lalasticlala
Religion / Re: To The Theist - Detailed Concept Of God by ftechclass: 11:01am On Apr 11, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


it seems you're not thinking straight

how can progress be made when Muslims are trying to insert their god into politics, Christians try to do the same and Pagans also don't want to be left out?

this would lead nowhere but chaos, war, battles, disagreements, vendetta and before you know it someone like closet Shekau (I said like) becomes president, appoints his fellow book haram as cabinet, wields power over everything and suddenly you can't criticise Islam and have your head on your neck

on the flip side, if we ignore god ideas (this is not a debate on the existence) when it comes to politics, follow evidence and try to look at things in a pragmatic and less biased way, progress is definitely going to be made

the person you quoted doesn't need to "insert" his belief in no gods into politics, its the religious that need to cuz politics in a secular nation already isn't subject to any god; inserting god only leads to Theocracy
Thank you for this piece sir. A nice response
Religion / Re: To The Theist - Detailed Concept Of God by ftechclass: 11:00am On Apr 11, 2017
luvmijeje:

Ps.......your right stop where my right begins. Who the heck are you to tell me not to insert my belief into politics? But you can insert your belief in no God into politics while I can't. The OP must have something wrong with his brain.
Seems you've got comprehension problems

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Religion / Re: To The Theist - Detailed Concept Of God by ftechclass: 12:52am On Apr 11, 2017
Cc lalasticlala, seun, mynd44
Wilgrea7, akintom, DoctorAlien, Everyone
Religion / To The Theist - Detailed Concept Of God by ftechclass: 12:50am On Apr 11, 2017
By Lance Gry:

God' is an idea...a concept...a thought...imagination...an invention of the mind that humans use to behold the awe-inspiring brilliance of consciousness and the mysteriousness of the Universe.

We can observe and experience the Universe...expressed thru Nature. Science is the study of the Universe expressed thru Nature.

You can not prove a negative (without a fortified theorem) = You can not prove that a Grand Dreamer, or extra-terrestrials, or a matrix simulation, or a god/deity, or invisible entities (etc.) do not exist, if they do not exist.

But thoughts of these 'things' exist.
So, in one regard, they Do exist...in the mind.

We have a personal relationship with Imagination.

In the physical world...extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary, tangible, and/or verifiable Evidence.

I use the word 'Universe' in place of the 'God' concept. And I often view people who habitually use the word 'God' as people who were encoded by their parents or their culture to believe in something super-natural...based on insufficient evidence.

(religious) Faith is a euphemism for Superstitious Belief...where there is insufficient evidence.

People who use the word 'faith' (to describe their religious Belief) are effectively admitting that they do not Know. Therefore, they are disguising a quiet-admittance of Agnosticism.

However...(non-religious) Faith, Confidence, Trust, and Hope can be helpful and constructive.

Most religious people are merely using religion to engage in tribal connection...or to feel connected to a group. And some use religion to make money. Some use religion to gain a sense of purpose in life. Some use religion to sooth pain after a tragedy or loss. Some use religion to feel superior to others. Some use religion as a tool to lead others and thus exercise an imaginary 'need to lead'. Some use religion to manufacture confidence in sports and other activities. Some use religion as a restrictive mechanism to keep a person 'in-line'. Some use religion to psychologically dominate other people. And some use religion as an imaginary salve to mend a wound or scar...with the placebo-effect. But most people use religion in a tribal way...to feel connected to a group.

But superstition-based religion is fragmenting and diminishing rapidly. Fewer young people are not buying into it anymore...and they are walking away from it because they see how divisive, destructive, and delusional it can be.

'Sin' is also a human invention.
I prefer to use words such as greed, cruelty, and ignorance...rather than a superstition-loaded word like 'sin'.

Morality is learned. Moral humans strive for relatively peaceful, harmonious, equitable, and mutually beneficial paths/outcomes for others to flourish.

Morality influences behaviors that are based on reason, empathy, and helping others thrive.

Deistic belief is an ancient practice of attempting to describe the Universe.

Anthropomorphize - The attribution of human traits, emotions, and characteristics to non-human things or experiences. It is considered to be an innate tendency of the human mind.

The concept of 'God' is within the mind...which is within the Universe.

We are mostly made of only a few elements.

We are within the Universe...
And the Universe is within us✨

We not only ARE the Universe,
We create *IT* with our imagination and our intention)))°

°WE are the Universe experiencing ITself)))°

...

ps...I'm a former Christian missionary. I traveled to remote areas of this planet with 'the good news' (i.e. the faith-virus). I spoke about my religious 'faith' on television, newspapers, and other media. I've read the bible (by far) more than any other book on Earth.

I was an uber-devoted charismatic Christian...before I metaphorically woke up and free'd myself from the clutch of superstitious belief.

It was a lot of work to de-program layers upon layers of mental conditioning...tho I broke thru!!!

If any particular religious faith were true, there would be evidence of it everywhere.

Superstition-based religion (or belief in an imaginary friend or foe) does not help or serve anyone. It serves an illusion.

We can have non-religious faith (confidence, hope, trust), without religious faith...without learned superstition.

That's when the mysteriousness of the Universe and the brilliance of consciousness become even more awe-inspiring.

It's a Tremendous relief
to relinquish superstitious belief

ps...I have no problem whatsoever with people who still use the word 'God'...as long as they don't insert it into modern politics that effect all of us. We are all learning and growingsmiley

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Religion / Re: Is God Beyond Science? - No by ftechclass: 8:09pm On Apr 10, 2017
I wish you luck in talking some sense into the next person who spouts that “God is beyond science” and other phony nonsense.

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Religion / Re: Is God Beyond Science? - No by ftechclass: 8:08pm On Apr 10, 2017
Assume They Are Right To Prove Them Wrong

I find this quite effective. If you can still fault their opinions even assuming that God exists, then your argument will have more impact.

Here’s a typical debate: “Why believe in God? If God existed then the world would be perfect and there would be nothing bad on Earth.”

“God works in mysterious ways.”

And therein commences the stalemate. If God works in mysterious ways, how else can you possibly argue against him? Any point against him can be countered with “God works in mysterious ways.” It’s tough to overcome this erroneous statement. So, how about we take it as true? Let’s assume that God exists, and does indeed work in mysterious ways. I would continue:

“Ok, God moves in mysterious ways. In which case, we cannot hope to understand God, presumably because he is above our plane of thinking. Then why pray to him? If God moves in mysterious ways, you can have no way of knowing if God likes being prayed to and worshipped. Maybe you’re annoying him - there’s just as much chance of him hating being worshipped as liking it. Maybe he’s insulted that he gave you an incredibly powerful brain with the capacity to contemplate the very nature of the Universe and you use it to blindly follow him without question. There’s just no way of knowing - after all, you said he works in mysterious ways.”

>> Source God is not beyond science
Religion / Re: Is God Beyond Science? - No by ftechclass: 8:06pm On Apr 10, 2017
Establishing The Win-Win Scenario

If I am about to debate with someone who I have never before discussed this topic with, I try and do this as an aside before starting to make my arguments. The argument that “God is above science” is little more than excuse making. Reverting to incoherence tends to come after you have proved wrong their original arguments, and serves as nothing less than bare-faced denial.

These kinds of fallacious arguments are tantamount to saying “I’m just right no matter what you say” and in my opinion, many people who use this argument have some little voice in their head saying “I don’t really believe what I just said, but I need to try and believe it so as not to change my opinion.” Establishing the win-win scenario is an appeal to that voice.

The win-win scenario is this: challenge your beliefs. Actively trying to disprove your own notions is win-win and should be encouraged.

What do I mean by win-win? Well, let’s say you genuinely try to change a belief of yours, really attack something you believe in and try to disprove it, but you decide that you can’t. Your belief is airtight; you can’t fault it.

Well, then in a case of ‘whatever doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger’ you come off better. Your opinion has survived harsh criticism and you can be more assured in and satisfied with your own belief. But what if you’re wrong? Brilliant, you’ve just debunked one of your own superstitions, and again you are better for it. You can happily change your own opinion, content in the knowledge that you are now more likely to be correct than you originally were.

In this spirit, any argument you provide in a debate should be one you genuinely believe to be true, and any argument you hear you should take into careful consideration and thoroughly weigh its pros and cons. After all, what’s the point in arguing in the first place if you aren’t prepared to adjust your own opinions with new information? Of course, if you can explain all of this to someone then don’t be hypocritical - follow this yourself. The win-win scenario is no trickery of language, it is true and you will benefit as much as anyone else.
Religion / Re: Is God Beyond Science? - No by ftechclass: 8:03pm On Apr 10, 2017
Your Argument is Invalid

Explaining why the argument itself doesn’t work is a tactic I have yet to succeed with. It is usually met with an equally incomprehensible argument that has just as little worth as their original point. However, I shall quickly give my own opinion as to why the God debate is very much a part of science. Though probably the least likely way to penetrate their shield of irrationality, it is certainly the most powerful as it beats their argument rather than avoiding or indeed conceding to it as with the other two strategies below.

Science is the study of the Universe. It has no agenda and it isn’t selective, though scientists themselves might be. Science has no goal, but the goal of scientists is, in short, to discover truth. Ultimately, the point of doing science is to advance our understanding of what is true in the Universe.

To me, God is to be included in science because if he exists, he is a part of the Universe, and the truth of his existence is a topic that science has every right to explore.

The retort I always hear is that “God is beyond scientific reasoning. He exists above our realm.” Superficially this might sound sensible, but it certainly isn’t. Something being ‘beyond science’ is a contradiction in terms - if something more exists, it is to be included in science by definition. Science doesn’t limit itself to anything, so saying “God isn’t part of our Universe” doesn’t exempt God from scientific scrutiny.

If God exists, then science can be applied, because science is applicable, again by definition, to anything that exists.

An analogy to show this is like inventing a new vehicle in order to speed on the motorway. You may see that the law states “cars cannot travel over 70mph on a motorway” (the UK speed limit) and so invent a brand new vehicle to make yourself exempt from the law. This is the religious debater who claims that God is above science. Other people would see the law and realize that if you invented a new vehicle, the law would simply expand to include this new vehicle in the speed limit. This is the rational thinker.
Religion / Re: Is God Beyond Science? - No by ftechclass: 7:56pm On Apr 10, 2017
This is an adaptation of the quote by Scott Weitzenhoffer, and is an analogy that perfectly describes most debates I’ve held with religious friends. Often, after a few rational arguments from both parties, the religious participant dissolves into irrationality. Arguments like “God isn’t science, it’s more than that” are intrinsically poor, but the very fact that they have no value means that they cannot be outcompeted. There is no counter to something that effectively has no meaning, and like matter and antimatter annihilating when they meet; logic and illogic annihilate any otherwise intelligent argument and leave both people locked in a stalemate.

After many an argument over this, I’ve established a few workarounds to tackle this kind of non-thinking that you may find useful should you find yourself hearing this argument.

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Religion / Is God Beyond Science? - No by ftechclass: 7:56pm On Apr 10, 2017
“Arguing with creationists is like playing chess with a pigeon: no matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it’s victorious.”

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Religion / Re: The Stench Of Ignorance Of Nigerian Christians by ftechclass: 1:29pm On Apr 09, 2017
Romancelanders yaff derailed the thread.

11) Believing God created the universe
12)Believing Yahweh is the only and true way to heaven
Most a times, I weep for Christians cos they ain't aware there are thousand of God outside the Christian world

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Religion / Re: Two Questions To End A Debate With An Athiest by ftechclass: 9:27pm On Apr 05, 2017
A88C:
you see your mistake.quoting verse out of contest without proper reading just becuse you want to argue.am not going to spend time on that since you do not even belive in the book.you belive in science and material as your object of defence and that Is what am ready to use against you.argue from any scientifical data and material available that GOD DID NOT EXIST and i shall expose your ignorance,
Science never said god exist/existed.

So what exactly is your point? You seem to be very confused at this junction. no wonder atheists on this forum have ignored you.
Am doing same now... Walk out of thread
Religion / Re: Two Questions To End A Debate With An Athiest by ftechclass: 8:17pm On Apr 05, 2017
A88C:
please qoute the verse from holy quran if you are not lying

The 72 Virgins notion has its origins in the Qur'an. Although the holy book does not specify the number as 72, it does say that those who fight in the way of Allah and are killed will be given a great reward. It goes on to stipulate that Muslims will be awarded with women in Islamic heaven. It even describes their physical attributes—large eyes (Q 56:22) and big, firm, round "swelling breasts" that are not inclined to sagging (Q 78:33). The Qur'an refers to these virgins as houri, companions of equal age, but the highly-flavored emphasis of their bodily characteristics, including their virginity, gave rise to many hadiths and other Islamic writings.

Hadith 2687 is where the number 72 is mentioned. "The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and 72 houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a."
Religion / Re: Two Questions To End A Debate With An Athiest by ftechclass: 7:59pm On Apr 05, 2017
GoodMuyis:


The Bible Shall answer you
ACT 17
20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.

21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:




Every Religion Point to God, But many worship are wrongly done
A simple question is "who is that One God" because every religion claim to be serving a true god....

Pls do not rally round and respond directly.
Who is the true God? Or which religion serves the true God.?

From the bible you quoted, did your god say "there is reward of 72virgins for every non-Christian killed"?
Thanks
Religion / Re: Two Questions To End A Debate With An Athiest by ftechclass: 5:39pm On Apr 05, 2017
Op claiming intelligent yet dodging mentions. grin grin

No debate still cheesy

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