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There must be more to this crash I doubt it was an accident..but I'm no accident investigator

However, if it was an accident...na so Iran wn take fight US and Israel so? Only to bomb two empty bases una don dey make mistake shoot civilian aircraft..

Following.

What kind of Islam are these guys practicing that brings development. . While our own only brings Ruga

alBHAGDADI:
Mind you, I don't runaway when placed in tight corner. I just don't respond to some post because most of them will make type till I get tired. Most of what they even ask may have been answered in the OP or my previous posts on the thread.

As for that guy's question, I answered, just that I didn't give him a yes or no answer. I gave him more than a one word answers, he just wasn't able to see it.

The one word answers is YES.

Jesus already paid for his sins, past, present and future. His dying on top of his neighbor's wife might be his punishment for sin. But his soul will go to heaven because it got saved by Jesus before his death.

I'm sure this answer also goes for Suicide....The person will go to heaven because dying might be the punishment for killing one's self..oh wait... that was the intention of the person...so how does the intention become the punishment.... You see why I say this your "gospel" is the k-legged version.

Makschinchin:
Thank you for finally responding sir.

What do you think Great tribulation or persecution means?? What does it mean to be persecuted for the sake of Christ?? Again, who are those persecuted in respect to this passage? Aren't they those that believe in Christ and walk after His ways?? Please enlighten me if I'm wrong..



Dying on top of his neighbours wife might be punishment for sin Isn't that laughable?

How can you believe that someone who has once given his life to Christ is forever saved even if that person consciously live in sin?

Jesus truly paid for our sins but he didn't encourage us to continue in sin, He rather encouraged us to be perfect even as our Heaven Father is perfect as seen in Matthew 5:48. Again the woman who was caught in adultery and saved by Jesus wasn't encouraged to go home and keep sinning since she still lives in the flesh, Jesus told her to go and sin NO MORE!!

I don't agree with you for saying someone who was once saved can make Heaven even if he or she dies in sin because you just contradicted the Scriptures:

1Pet.1.15 - but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct (you should read up from verse 15 to 25)

2Pet.2.9 - The Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment

1Cor.6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, (vs. 10) nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God"


Romans 8:13- "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live"

1John.3.8 - He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.


These and a host of other Scriptural passages contradict your stance.. Please sir alBHAGDADI, stop believing that someone who gives his life to Christ and falls back to sin will still make Heaven, that's an error. I'll rather you preach concerning holding on to the faith by living a holy life.. Jesus has told us to be holy as our Heavenly Father is holy, it means that by His grace we can live a holy life and think righteous thoughts too.

You can't say you are born again if you still consciously live in sin or harbour sinful thoughts.. Heb.12.14 - "Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord." You see the Bible says in Romans 8:16 that "the Spirit itself beareth witness with our own spirit that we are the children of God."

If you have given your life to Christ, let the mind which is in Christ also be in you..

I pray the Holy Spirit opens our understanding the more on this issue in Jesus' Name, Amen

Thank you sir.

Apart from responding excellently... you have opened up some scriptures that has really helped me. Thanks alot and God bless you richly

alBHAGDADI:
This is why I just ignore some posts. I just showed you that Mathew 24 wasn't talking about those who endure by not sinning. It is talking about those who endure the persecution and didnt die. Such will be saved at the coming of Jesus while those who died will resurrect at the coming of Jesus. Yet you still think the passage is talking about not sinning.

You said Jesus paid for our sins, yet you still believe sin will send a believer to hell. What they did Jesus pay for?

The adulterous woman was told to go and sin no more. Where you expecting Jesus to tell her to go and continue sinning? This in no way negates Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

Yes, God wants us to be Holy like him, but you have mistaken that to mean if one is not holy like God, such won't make heaven. Can you show me a person as Holy as God?

1 Samuel 2:2
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

According to you, the requirement to make heaven is to be holy like God. But the verse above just showed you that there can't be such a person.

Isaiah 64:6 (KJV)
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

The passage in Corinthians, you should have read further to see that we are all like those people. But God washed us and gave us the righteousness of Jesus. The world may see us as sinful, but God sees his son Jesus in us, therefore we are righteous before him.

Honestly, you don't understand the passage in Romans you quoted. I really don't have time to start explaining it to you. You don't understand the difference between living by the spirit and living by the flesh. It's deep yet easy.

He who sins is of the devil? Do you want to honestly tell me you are not a sinner? Does that make you of the devil? Is there one who is without sin on Earth? No.

Romans 3:10 (KJV)
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:


Does that now mean we are all of the devil? Look, just go and read up very well otherwise those verses will continue to fool you..

Smh

Makschinchin:
Look at how you just missed even the first question on my post which you quoted just because you want to run me down with your usual doctrine.

Enough said already, like I said before, let's allow the Holy Spirit open our understanding to the Truth of God's Word, Amen.

Thank you

Bros they will twist every scripture in the bible to suit what they want to believe.. There z no point.

Makschinchin:
Hello sir, the question he asked needed a yes or a no, not this epistle of yours.. He gave a scenario after which he asked if he is going to heaven.. What we need from you is either a yes or a no.. Stop beating about the bush, be direct..

Cc: fydence, dafemich et al

I tire bros

Na wetin twisted message of "grace" dey cause

elipheleh:
In Galatians, the people received the gospel of grace and we're saved. But with time, they began to do works( of righteousness as it were), thinking that they needed "works" to be made perfect. But apostle of Grace, that is what Paul is called , rebuked them and told them that salvation and continuing in salvation is all about believing that the Finished WORK of Christ is sufficiently all that is required in the sight of God.

READ BELOW:
Gal.3.1 - O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Gal.3.2 - This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal.3.3 - Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
Gal.3.4 - Have you suffered so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?
Gal.3.5 - Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?--
Gal.3.6 - just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
Gal.3.7 - Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Gal.3.8 - And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."

This is the problem with you proponents of this new gospel. ..simple practical question... you are giving me 8 verses of unrelated scripture.
Nobody said we are saved by works.. but the fact that you are saved doesn't exempt you from your responsibility to continual fellowship and service. Christianity has a code of conduct ... People should be able to identify you as a Christian by biblical standards... and if you as a christian decide to abandon the ways of God and misbehave you are saying you no longer belong to him...God will not force you into heaven.

When people want to justify their rudderless lives they start manufacturing Revelations.
This una diabolic grace grace irresponsibility message is why one characterless pastor has started disgracing Christianity again.
For that one case sef I'm not surprised. Na them

damocool:
Don't mind these false teachings peddlers, all they do is listen to these celebrity pastors who preach to justifies their conscience of numerous scandals they are, twisting the word.. Many of these preachers are not godly, hence they preach to deceive people who want to keep sinning and yet believing to be covered by grace that took a whole life of sinless soul.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
His mere professing to believe in Christ all, even Christ said we should abide in him, could that be just to mere believing, he told us to obey and keep his commandments is that just mere profession? We can only be His friend when we do so and not just believing and slip to sin and keep on saying we must sin as long as we're on earth and still being saved.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of f men, who HOLD the TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS { Keep sinning, yet shouting I'm covered}
Bro, don't mind these fellows, read the book of Roman and James, and pray for proper understanding.
We will all stand alone to be judged, God expected us to live a life that is dead to sin. Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. Now tell me how we sin and still righteous..

whoever you are God bless you richly.

tjones007:
I've you tried to consider the parable of the virgins?

Thank you .. according to their logic... The foolish virgins werent true virgins maybe olosho-ic virgins.

Not knowing therez a reason the bible regards them as foolish

TruthHurts100:
Nobody is saved already. So far you're still alive, you can't be saved because you're human and you can still mess up at anytime. He who is standing should be careful so that he doesn't fall. The admonition from Paul is that we should work out our salvation with the fear of falling out of the way to the Kingdom. You're afraid of loosing out, hence we'll be careful in how we live our lives. Salvation is your way of life. It's a continuous process till when the end comes. If a man living a clean life for 30 years and he suddenly start living a bad life and dies.... How will God judge him? So how can you say he's saved?

Thatz how they manufacture revelations that fit the life they've always wanted ...effectively ruling out the need for obedience to God's word.

femi4:
How dumb can you be this time....Explaining "castaway " with English dictionary

They ll find anything anywhere to distort the truth...even Queen Primer

Firstandonly:
question 1. u just mentioned one sin that u think is big enough to send someone to hell. but read revelation 21 Vs 8. God mentioned lying along side murderer and idolaters among sin that will take a person to hell fire, a lair is as guilty as you been on top of ur neighbor. God has lay down punishment for believes and unbelievers who sin but believers will face more because they are meant to be light of the world.
.....to ur second question. what Paul was saying is that same thing as (php 2 Vs 12) that says work out ur salvation. let me explain this, u only workout ur salvation for men to see, if i come to u dress as a pastor and then tell u that am a footballer will u believe me? the only way a believer can lead unbeliever to Christ is by living a good live. that why paul was saying that he brings his body to subjection lest that by any means, when i have preached to others, i myself should be a castaway

No I didn't mention that because I thought it was big enough... its just an example. . I'm aware of "little sins". Thanks for the effort though.

alBHAGDADI:
The fact that you doubt going to heaven because you committed sin before death simply means you are not going to heaven. You don't believe Jesus took away your sins. You only believe he took away the past sins leaving you to be responsible for the future ones. That concept doesn't make Jesus powerful.

When the Bible said Jesus takes away sins, it never said it is the past since alone.

If truly you believed that Jesus has wiped off your past, present and future sins, you will certain know that you will still make heaven despite sleeping with your neighbor's wife. Is this a licence to sin? No. Having automatic ticket to heaven doesn't mean you won't get punished for sins. You will, but it will be here on Earth, and that could be why you died on top of your neighbor's wife. But as for making heaven, it is certain.

Now, to rhe verse you cited. It is not Paul talking about not wanting to be rejected in heaven. What Paul is talking about is that he is subjecting himself to discipline so all those whom he preached to won't see him fall behind or shipwrecked. If you read the entire passage from the beginning, you will see that that's what he's talking about.

But you got confused by the word castaway which you think means he will be rejected from away. No. See the meaning of the word in the screenshot below and juxtapose it with what I've said so far.


1 Corinthians 9:26-27
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Lolz... Rhee..a..ally!? What about if I take my own life? I'm going to heaven too? Abeg which church dey teach u all these things?
Why would the same Paul that has suffered beatings and imprisonment care about what people would say if he knew/meant he would still make heaven?

No thatz not why the person died ... I don't know if u did the believing for the person for u to discredit it.. And using your defective shipwreck quote: If someone is cast away from a travelling ship containing others.. hasn't the journey of the deserted one been truncated till he gets right by restoring fellowship?

Therez no Christianity without character this your gospel is obviously the k-legged version.

alBHAGDADI:
According to you, Jesus Christ is like a bank that can't really keep something safe.

Can you mention one man that is without sin? I bet you can't. That means no man will make heaven according to you.

Yes, people are sinning, but that's cos they are in the flesh which wars against the spirit. The spirit is saved and will make heaven, but the flesh just wants to do fleshy things.

You don't even have scriptures to back your false belief

Chai...No wonder the body of Christ is powerless and without Influence today.
One cannot tell who is a christian again because Jesus is a "Power bank"
Repent today misbehave tomorrow and deceive yourselves that you are right.

When a believer falls he ought to go back to the father and say lord I have sinned please have mercy and restore our fellowship. So yea people sin but believers have the option of restoring fellowship because he has been saved. But the devilish doctrine of once saved ..saved forever teaches us to continue to swim in Sin and that somehow by the blood of Jesus..God is ok with it.

It's not by copying scriptures everywhere from Sunday service note book. What did Paul mean by being cast away in 1 Cor 9:27?

alBHAGDADI:
If I get you, what you are trying to know is if we can make what Christ has done useless because of our sins.

No we can't, because we as humans will always sin as long as we are in this flesh. It is those sins Jesus came to take away.

Mathew 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now, does that mean we now have a licence to sin? No, we don't.

If you believe you can lose your salvation, read this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/4931034/believe-lose-salvation-then-called

If you believed Judas and Demas lost their salvation, read this:

https://www.nairaland.com/4942940/judas-demas-examining-verses-people

How Satan prevents you from believing the gospel of once saved always saved:

https://www.nairaland.com/4838851/how-enemy-makes-reject-finished

To see that it is only one sin that sends people to hell fire, read this:

https://www.nairaland.com/4878886/it-only-one-sin-sends

Oga don't confuse people to Hell fire.
Salvation is one thing continual fellowship is another.
This "New gospel" manufactured in Hell is the reason we now have Pastors and believers misbehaving and dis gracing the body of Christ.
Most of these fry fry Pastor's can't even hold their homes together...divorces everwhere
There is grace ..but then there are Principles.
If you don't believe, claim divine health and don't keep your surroundings clean whether mosquitoes won't give you malaria on top your divine health.

Simple scenario please: I give my life to Christ today and tomorrow I slept with my neighbour's wife and died on top of her...

Question : Am I going to heaven?

Question 2: 1 Cor 9:27 What did Paul mean by being a Castaway?

Anago50000:
. Does this make sense to you now?

Some ethnic groups bear Igbo names in river state

What happened to their ethnic name?

Bros you no well at all

Simply say they are Igbos

Nawaooo,truth won't hurt you much if you talkam for once

if you don't know ask questions. They are not igbos

So how do women give birth?

Oh Lord make teacher nor let person commit murder. God know say I nor go report to Police

This is a thread for PS4 Gamers in Akwa-Ibom State who want to swap/exchange or sell PS4 games.

You are welcome.

I have GTA V and NFS-Payback for Swap.

Holla

Anyone up for exchange or sale in Akwa Ibom State?

magoo10:
Apc dey wash their dirty pant for public
Awon confused mofos

Pant wey yahoo yahoo boiz done use buy benz. .. You nor dey see how APC life and destiny be?

northvietnam:
i know a source but it depends on ur location... so u hv to look for distributors from ur area..

u hv to do market survey... and find distributors from ur area...

if u r lucky, u can get goods of 5 naira and u pay in 3 naira... but that will be when they get to know u more...

Location is Akwa ibom.. I'm actually looking for distributors

northvietnam:
go into whole of pampers and sanitary pads, they r wild fire... every girl uses pads and every baby use pampers...

Please where can one get Pampers to buy for Wholesale....I'll really appreciate your help if you have any ideas

Person nor Go hear word for C N N today.

Please i wish to invest in FGN savings Bond...how do I go about it?

RealityShot:
its secondary market , so its the same at all banks.

first bank or stanbic ibtc come to mind.

pls i can not recommend any other firm apart from banks

. Thanks for the info. I have asked for a reconfirmation from my bank.

RealityShot:
yes Sir.
secondary market AKA OPEN MARKET OPERATIONS resumed on monday.

you can go and buy some tomorrow.
https://www.cbn.gov.ng/rates/govtsecurities.asp

Please how can I purchase from the Secondary market apart from through a bank?

RealityShot:
wrong .. Rates are at 13% and 14.90% for 91 and 180+ days resp according to OMO sales monday and tuesday (yesterday)

did you notice the info on inflation rate by dipolowo?

next year is election campaign year..
There will be so much need for liquidity cbn must try to keep rates OK or liquidity will increase inflation.

the rates in jan will not go as low as 10%

my thought

Please which bank will deal at these rates so I switch sharply.