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obasanjo for imposing yaardua and godluck on us

i will vote for a female candidate as long as she is qualified, afterall we do have a lot of big organisations that have been successfully run by females ,

but the question is will the mysogynist male politicians in nigeria allow a female candidate to succeed?

viaro:
I understand how you feel. Many people say things which in their worldview seems to help them feel cool about themselves. Some of these things might be offensive either way - whether a religious person to an atheist or an atheist to a religious person: one is not better than the other and such exchanges don't help a good outcome. But the response is what we should be careful to observe, because it does not help any which way to retort with deliberate invectives . . just as it seems in this next part of your quote:

A 'right' to insult others does not say very much about the person who does the insults - trust me, I know (and have been guilty many times). That is not what I would consider a "right" anyways, but again I should not make my own opinion a matter of an overbearing point upon you.

But do have a good evening and take things cool.

i am feeling you my brother, dont worry i promise to go back to my former type of atheism (live and let live) unless someone calls me out,
for the sake of friendship and reconsiliation i leave u with the following goodwill message: may u, the other christians and muslims on nairaland remain blessed, peaceout

viaro:
It is okay to simply say that you don't believe in Christ, and you don't have to put up untrue statements simply because you want to annoy your discussants and get them quickly away from your door.

i used to do that like you said, my brand of atheism used to be live and let live but, then anytime i tell a christian that i am an atheist he then feels the need to tell me about the bible verse that god says the fool that says in his heart there is no god, why then does that christian feel i dont have the right to insult him and telll him that it is him/her and his god that are fools?

thanks for your replies

viaro:
I see. It so happens that when banom on Nairaland disavowed atheism, your comrades were very disturbed, no? I don't see them reacting the way you're now apologising for here - at the very least, they ought to have shown indifference - did they? No. And that was prolly why you came to Nairaland to seek out fellow atheists in Abuja: not that I could care two scoobies about that - it just shows your cognitive dissonance well at work.

as for banom i dont know who he is, i probably joined nairaland after whatever took place with him, so i cant comment

viaro:
No - you want to know why no thinking atheist would dare my door? They just have to see the name "viaro" and they won't think twice! But that does not mean that atheists never try to convert religious people - they do. Please pretend you're the only atheist who is very oblivious of this fact, and we shall help point out a few.

well if people are scared of opening your door kudos to you, when christians and muslims try to ask me why i dont give their religion a look in and i respond with my answers which they claim is blasphemy after which they dont dare approach me anymore, so maybe you have your own points or response like mine which stops people from knocking on your door

viaro:
I understand your atheism is a mile off from the atheism bandied about by many atheists. The phrase "Join Atheists of Florida" as an example did not come from me - it came from those who advertise their own form of atheism - go figure.

But there's more -

       *   Join American Atheists (here)

       *   '8.  Join Atheism and make a stand to help all atheists have their voices heard.' (here)

There are more than 200 different examples I could rapidly post by atheists all over the world campaigning and soliciting people to "JOIN ATHEISM" - that is something your own cognitive dissonant folks have been doing and you are here complaining and asking me to stop saying the fact? Not that i could care any less, I just rather wonder why you are happier ignoring the very thing that springs from your own quarters while you go about complaining against others. Enjoy.

you hit the nail on the head when you said my brand of atheism is different, i cant care if one becomes atheist or not, but if a christian approaches me and tell me how cant i believe in jesus since he was miraculously born of a virgin, then i have a right to reply that i dont agree he was born of a virgin but rather his mother had sex with someone, same way that muslims who now know i am an atheist tell me how can i leave islam after i have tasted it dont i know the quran is an infallible book, then i have a right to respond that i dont agree the quran is infallible and i can produce a book like the quran,

thanks for your replies and they are very thought provoking and intelligent

viaro:
What do atheists do when people leave any of the faiths to join 'atheism'? Is it not the same level of cognitive dissonance that prevails in yours?

nope it aint the same, we cant careless if anyone left his so called faith to become an atheist, people usually find atheism on their own, after realizing that religion is a sham, u dont see any atheist knocking on your door telling you he wants to evangelise atheism, do you? and please stop saying "join atheism" as if atheism has a belief system like islam and christianity, if atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby

ayusman16:
@g1, wish i can make sense out of your post?

how can you? when your thinking faculties have been damaged by religion

@topic, the level of cognitive dissonance that goes on in the gullible minds of christians and muslims is really amazing,
everyday here on nairaland a deluded christian comes here with news bragging about how a muslim has converted to christianity and likewise a deluded muslim comes here bragging about how a christian has converted to islam, as if that gives any sort of credibility to the rubbish in the bible and quran,
what you all fail to realise is that people are constantly changing faiths everyday, if you google muslims convert to christianity you will get thousands of results likewise if you google christians convert to islam you will get thousands of results, its also the same if you google for anyother religion out there including hindu, judaism, buddhism etc but you all refuse to see the other ones instead you rather focus on your own religion, mumus

i really cant wait for the day the bible and quran will be kept in the same section of the library with harrypotter (fiction) maybe then you will all come back to your senses


peaceout

lagerwhenindoubt:
@posters. 

I can agree with you that religion is occupies a significant magnificent position in majority of the world's population. it serves as an involuntary association that society leverages on to guide the actions of its citizens. (i.e outside the provision of constitutional law) look at how God is the foundation of every country's pledge or anthem. He occupies such a commanding reverence that you will find its symbolism in the highest court of law and in schools. Religion obviously takes precedence over factual science even if it negates the actual idea that such religion is founded on. but let us look at why Religion should be confined to the dusty archives of history. 

Over centuries we have seen how some religions have advanced the growth and improvement of societies as well as caused chaos, death and de-evolution of budding societies, ideologies and innovation in past and recent times. We do not need to look far to find the pivot on which many of the worlds deathly crisis are birthed on,  yes. you have guessed it. Religion. be it genocidal cleansing of Muslim Bosnia, Jos and  or christian killings in Indonesia, Iraq or Nigeria. it has always bared the un-arguable fact which is,  you cannot hold anyone or any institution for crimes committed in the name of religion (be it God or Allah) or any invisible, divine deity.

It is said that you cannot choose your family,but you can choose your friends. so it is with Religion. you are most likely going to be a Muslim if your parents are dogmatic, myopic and incontrovertibly unquestioning muslims (like-wise for christians). If you were born in India and have Hindu parents that train you from birth at a time that your mind is unformed but susceptible to ideas, the ideas will become like cement to your brain,blocking entrance to fresher ideas or prevent progressive thought from going out. you will see your religion as the sole valid religion and your God as the only one true God. and everything from written injunctions to sophism by religious leaders, you will eat and digest and act out in the Name of a god you have never seen, who has never appeared to anyone (with verifiable facts and witnesses) and who has this uncontrollable urge to dominate, punish (with impunity) and reward (obscenely) those who commit heinous crimes of murder in his name.

Though most religions have written record that encourage practitioners to be open-minded, logical, peaceful and progressive, it is saddening that humans have decided to ignore the practical aspects of religion and have taken on ceremonial rhetoric that will shame even the most vile demon. indeed religion has put SATAN out of a job.

My focus is not on religions of the world but on those that contain injunctions that require forceful conversion. If God or Allah requires his adherents  to forcefully and violently impose his beliefs on others, then he cannot in the same breath claim to have given freedom to think or the option to choose between good and evil (like the holy books so righteously claim).

I think Christianity/Islam should be forcefully outlawed because these religions pose the greatest danger to human freedom (as they have in the past). and the idea of an all-seeing, all-powerful all-merciful God who cannot raise his testicles and 3rd-leg (NL censor at work) to do his dirty work himself, but require millions of brain-washed slaves to kill and maim other purposeful, sane and peaceful humans, should be confined to the proverbial HELL where it rightly deserves to be.

Thank you and Peace in the Middle-East 

spot on largerwhnindoubt, you hit the nail on the head!!!

lagerwhenindoubt:
Though most religions have written record that encourage practitioners to be open-minded, logical, peaceful and progressive, it is saddening that humans have decided to ignore the practical aspects of religion and have taken on ceremonial rhetoric that will shame even the most vile demon. indeed religion has put SATAN out of a job.

but i disagree with you on the above part, religion and logical ,do not belong in the same sentence, religion is about just believing anything in your so called divine book without question be it bible or quran, how do you explain how muslims and christian are able to interpret their crazy god telling abraham to slaughter his son as an act of great obedience?? if we saw someone today trying to kill his son in the name of god we will think that person is insane, likewise the virgin birth story , if a woman got pregnant today and we asked who is responsible and she replied god/holyspirit we will instantly call her i lying LovePeddler, but somehow christians and muslims do mental back-flips in their minds to accomodate the rubbish written in their books of fiction (quran and bible)

peaceout

manmustwac:
ban religion from skools teach kids how to think for themselves teach philosophy and evolution i think that would help to solve the problem

spot on manmustwac

the sooner we move away from the deluded duo of jesus and mohammed the better for us

toba:
Not in mine but urs&other muslims.Jesus said he was sending a comforter&this comforter according to Jesus is a spirit.But muhammad claimed he was d comforter Jesus sent,invariably hes calling himself a spirit.Pity 4 your lying prophet

jesus said he was sending a comforter because he was a deluded clown, after which another deluded clown called mohammed came and decided to continue jesus's foolishness

@ mazaje, do you really expect that idiot (god/allah/jesus) in the quran and bible to help anybody? i think you are better off asking satan to help because if you go thru the bible and quran, you will notice he is actually a nicer guy than god,

the gods are helpless because they dont exist, they are as real as harry potter, they were created by men like you and me who were ignorant of the reality of the "pale blue dot"(earth) we live in!!!

lol, a christian pointing fingers at another religion, its a bit like a banana calling somebody yellow , whats the difference between your christianity and their islam, they r all faitytales afterall you both believe in the LovePeddler called mary and you both believe in the deluded gay man called jesus, they just go one further and add another deluded fellow called mohammed,

Krayola:
1) Can u in any way show that the story of the virgin birth was an invention of Mary used to cover up an affair? If u can't do this then why post ^ that.

2) Is it not possible that Joseph was the father, but that they had pre-marital intimacy, thus making it scandalous?

yeah you have a point there, what am saying is that we have no reason to believe that she was banged up by a supernatural being

Deep Sight:
G1 - I think its rather extreme to call a woman a LovePeddler simply because she has had a child out of wedlock.

I certainly do not believe in the virgin birth - as i expressed earlier in this thread.

But on reflection the mere fact that she may have had intimacy (and you cannot tell what the circumstances were: could have been despoil/ coercion, fun, whatever) outside her relationship does not make her a LovePeddler.

I think you should address the myth of the virgin birth and expose it for what it is - rather than call her a LovePeddler.

yeah i agree the LovePeddler title was rather harsh, but she definately was involved in an affair and used the whole virgin birth stuff to cover it up !!

bilms:
in reference to d topic in the political section about women being d Governor in kwara state.

what is your understanding regarding this,

this is causing a serious problem now in kwara state and am afraid it might result to a riot,

Gbemisola saraki, the female dauther of the God father of kwara state politics olusola saraki is d candidate,

after her father Dr Olusola saraki named her as his candidate for 2011 election, d Alfa rejected her quoting that such is not allowed islamically, but gbemisola replied that the Nigerian constitution superceed d isamic saying on politics as far as Nigeria is concern,

dont mind the mysogynistic d.ic.kheads in kwara, we are in 2010, women in other countries are making giant strides, argentina even has a female president but some idiots in nigeria want to send us back to the stone age, all those men are afraid of successful women!!!

yourangel:
My dear brother I understand you. You can't understand it now. Just open your heart and ask God to show you the light and the way.
I trust He would answer you. Only then and then would you know the true meaning of life; the true purpose of life and the reality of life.

My love, give your life to CHRIST and you would be laying for yourself, an eternal treasure that's incorruptible and indestructible. Good night and sleep well.

God continue to bless you!

thank you very much and may harry potter continue to guide you

yourangel:
I think the so-called Awoyokun, who wrote this piece is lame and biased towards Christianity. He didnt get his facts right.

The same Albert Eistein said in a 1941 symposium entitled "science, philosophy and religion" that : "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind". Hence, it's not possible to separate science from religion. What do you say about great scientists like Isaac Newton and  Galileo Galilei who were devoted christians? Awoyokun spoke like someone who doesnt believe in God (only a fool would say there is no God), whereas the Eistein he talked about had these comments to make about God Almighty:

"At any rate, I am convinced that He [God] does not play dice".   Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955), In a letter to Max Born, 1926

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish".   Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

How could you compare the prediction of eclipse with the second coming of the Messiah? You better give your life to Christ before it's too late.

keep wasting your life with jesus, if you know whats good for you, you will give your life to harry potter

fizofly:
Certainly many people will perish in hell for what they utter
i just want to believe there are no MUSLIMS partaking in this sinful topic
'cus even the Holy Quran has a whole chapter (surat mariam) that talks on how Allah did the miracle in mary's giving birth
i laugh when some people just follow the 'dead wagon' and perish
maybe the poster wanted to be funny or he/she is just on some cheap drugs,

ur harry potter book dedicated a whole chapter to a LovePeddler? what is it with you muslims and christians glorifying a LovePeddler?

Timijo:
Have u forgoten dat the great sciensts in d world an inventors are christians?Hw dare u said christianity brougt mediocrity.U said there is no God, den tel me and others, who created you,animals,plants and other things in d world. Do u think u own your life to urself?Do u really no d end of a man who says there is no God?Do u no dat there is notin dat exist in dis world witout d knowledge of God.Come to think of it, if u die now wat is your hope?Take it or leave it nd perish, Christianity is a true religion. U said dat Jesus Christ predicted His 2nd comin and is yet to come.He didn't tel any one d time He is comin back just b'cos of people like u who refuse to acknowledge God y they exist."A FOOL SAYS IN HIS HEART DAT THERE IS NO GOD"[/b]This same FOOL wil agree dat there is God probably at d point of death or in an unquenchable lake of fire.Believe it or not JESUS IS COMING BACK TO CARRY HIS OWN PEOPLE TO WHERE HE IS IN D KINGDOM OF GOD.I advice u not to allow scientific knowledge to ruin your life.Can u rememba your friend - Nebuchadenezzar hw he later acknowledged d existency of God wen He dealt wit him?REPENT and believe in Jesus - God - Eternity.God created u nd He loves u.Y do u want to reject His unconditional love?My dare Readers don't be confuse.God exists b'cos, there is notin that can exist witout d knowlege of GOD.[color=#990000][/color]

i think you made a mistake, actually it is [b]THE FOOL SAYS IN HIS HEART THERE IS A GOD

some of the kids that were almost smuggled out of haiti by americans in the name of god are being re -united with their families:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100202/ts_alt_afp/haitiquakechildrenuscrime



WASHINGTON (AFP) – The 33 infants and children that an American Christian group tried to smuggle out of quake-hit Haiti are being reunited with their families, the US-based aid group now caring for them said Tuesday.

The children were picked up last week by members of an Idaho-based Baptist group called New Life Children's Refuge who tried to take them across the border to the Dominican Republic where they planned to establish an orphanage.

But some of the children are not orphans at all.

"The parents now are coming to the village to reclaim their children," Heather Paul, the CEO of SOS Children's Villages USA, told NBC's "Today Show". "We already hear that many are saying that we have parents."

Police seized five men and five women with US passports, as well as two Haitians, as they tried late Friday to cross into the neighboring Dominican Republic with the children aged between two months and 14 years.

The case came to light as authorities in the capital Port-au-Prince expressed concern that some Haitian children may have fallen prey to human traffickers or been misidentified as orphans.

Paul said the children had been in poor condition when her group first received them but that they appeared to be on the mend.

"They came quite traumatized, as you can imagine, for a number of reasons. First, the devastation of the earthquake and then the mystery or confusion of their family's disappearance."

"They're getting better," she said.

Paul added that while in the care of the US Baptist group, the children, "weren't well dressed, they were dehydrated. They needed medical assistance."

She said the case underscored the need for stricter rules and greater vigilance in dealing with children in Haiti.

"I don't know all the facts, but if they were good intentions, they've certainly gone awry," she said.

"I think this is proof positive for all those people around the world who would like to adopt Haitian children, that we must wait on the right registration."

Laura Silsby, head of New Life Children's Refuge, has insisted the group's aims were entirely altruistic.

"We came here literally to just help the children. Our intentions were good," she told AFP from police detention. "We wanted to help those who lost parents in the quake or were abandoned."

In Port-au-Prince, interim prosecutor Mazar Fortil said the Christians may face a charge of criminal conspiracy in Haiti as well as possible charges of kidnapping minors and child-trafficking.

US consular officials visited the detained Americans and brought them food and insect repellent, but relatives back in the United States said they had hoped American officials might have done more.

"I've seen them on TV and they look like they're in good spirits," Sean Lankford, whose wife and 18-year-old daughter were among those held, told NBC.

He said he had not been able to speak to them since their arrest and was concerned that they had not received better treatment in detention.

"First off, you know, I think they were required to give them food and water. I mean, the basic essentials for life. And they were to help them to contact counselors on their behalf -- at least to give them the ability to do that. They were late in doing that," Lankford complained.

"I appreciate everything they have done. I know that it took them a while to find them first off. I know also that there's a lot of needs that are happening in Haiti," the Meridian, Idaho resident said.

But he added "as a dad and a husband, you know, I just want to make sure that my wife and my daughter have everything that they need, and my friends there have everything they need to stay healthy while they work through this, and while we try to help them work through this."