Pastor Kun: @Trinitarians
Abeg I have one small kweshion, we know the name of the father(Yahweh), we know the name of the son(Jesus) what is the name of the holy spirit Since he is their co equal third partner I assume he must also have a name.

ijawkid:

Please fix the holy spirit into this equation in 1 corinthians 11:3....

And please in all the times revelations were given about Yahweh ,his servant and son (Jesus),and all the angels it appears the holy spirit is always missing....

Where the holy spirit dey go??

It is always Jesus sitting @ the right hand of His God(Yahweh) but the holy spirit we no dey see........

Where is the holy spirit in heaven??

It is a known fact that the Father is greater than the Son,can you please open a scripture to show who is greater than the holy spirit....

gbrookes02: Jesus Christ is The Yahweh God Almighty of the Old Testatment.

John 12:41 (English Standard Version (©2001)) "Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him."


Barnes' Notes on the Bible
When he saw his glory - Isaiah 6:1-10. Isaiah saw the Lord (in Hebrew, יהוה Yahweh) sitting on a throne and surrounded with the seraphim. This is perhaps the only instance in the Bible in which Yahweh is said to have been seen by man, and for this the Jews affirm that Isaiah was put to death. God had said Exodus 33:20, "No man shall see me and live;" and as Isaiah affirmed that he had seen Yahweh, the Jews, for that and other reasons, put him to death by sawing him asunder. See Introduction to Isaiah, Section 2. In the prophecy Isaiah is said expressly to have seen Yahweh John 12:1; and in John 12:5, "Mine eyes have seen the King Yahweh of hosts." By his glory is meant the manifestation of him - the Shechinah, or visible cloud that was a representation of God, and that rested over the mercy-seat. This was regarded as equivalent to seeing God, and John here expressly applies this to the Lord Jesus Christ; for he is nor affirming that the people did not believe in God, but is assigning the reason why they believed not on Jesus Christ as the Messiah. The whole discourse has respect to the Lord Jesus, and the natural construction of the passage requires us to refer it to him. John affirms that it was the glory of the Messiah that Isaiah saw, and yet Isaiah affirms that it was Yahweh; and from this the inference is irresistible that John regarded Jesus as the Yahweh whom Isaiah saw. The name Yahweh is never, in the Scriptures, applied to a man, or an angel, or to any creature. It is the unique, incommunicable name of God. So great was the reverence of the Jews for that name that they would not even pronounce it. This passage is therefore conclusive proof that Christ is equal with the Father.

Spake of him - Of the Messiah. The connection requires this interpretation.

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
When he saw his glory - Isaiah 6:1, etc. I saw Jehovah, said the prophet, sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphim; and one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is Jehovah, God of hosts; the whole earth shall be full of his glory! It appears evident, from this passage, that the glory which the prophet saw was the glory of Jehovah: John, therefore, saying here that it was the glory of Jesus, shows that he considered Jesus to be Jehovah. See Bishop Pearce. Two MSS. and a few versions have Θεου, and του Θεου αὑτου, the glory of God, or of his God.

John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
These things said Esaias,.... Concerning the blinding and hardening of the Jews:

when he saw his glory, and spake of him; when he saw, in a visionary way, the glory of the Messiah in the temple, and the angels covering their faces with their wings at the sight of him; and when he spake of him as the King, the Lord of hosts, whom he had seen, Isaiah 6:1, from whence it is clear that he had respect to the Jews in the times of the Messiah. The prophet says in Isaiah 6:1 that he "saw the Lord": the Targumist renders it, "I saw", , "the glory of Jehovah"; and in Isaiah 6:5 he says, "mine eyes have seen the King", Jehovah, Zebaot, the Lord of hosts; which the Chaldee paraphrase renders, "mine eyes have seen", , "the glory" of the Shekinah, the King of the world, the Lord of hosts. Agreeably to which our Lord says here, that he saw his glory, the glory of his majesty, the glory of his divine nature, the train of his divine perfections, filling the temple of the human nature; and he spoke of him as the true Jehovah, the Lord of hosts; and which therefore is a very clear and strong proof of the proper divinity of Christ. And it may be observed from hence, that such persons who have a true, spiritual, and saving sight of Christ, of the glory of his person, and the fulness of his grace, cannot but be speaking of him to others, either in private, or in public, as Isaiah here did, and as the church in Sol 5:10; and as the apostles of Christ, John 1:1; and indeed, should they hold their peace, the stones would cry out; such must, and will speak of his glory in his temple, Psalm 29:9.

Vincent's Word Studies
When (ὅτε)

The best texts read ὅτι, because.

His glory

In the vision in the temple, Isaiah 6:1, Isaiah 6:3, Isaiah 6:5.

Of Him

Christ.

Geneva Study Bible
These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

Wesley's Notes
12:41 When he saw his glory - Christ's, Isa 6:1, and c. And it is there expressly said to be the glory of the Lord, Jehovah, the Supreme God.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
41. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him-a key of immense importance to the opening of Isaiah's vision (Isa 6:1-13), and all similar Old Testament representations. "The Son is the King Jehovah who rules in the Old Testament and appears to the elect, as in the New Testament THE Spirit, the invisible Minister of the Son, is the Director of the Church and the Revealer in the sanctuary of the heart" [Olshausen].

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
12:37-43 Observe the method of conversion implied here. Sinners are brought to see the reality of Divine things, and to have some knowledge of them. To be converted, and truly turned from sin to Christ, as their Happiness and Portion. God will heal them, will justify and sanctify them; will pardon their sins, which are as bleeding wounds, and mortify their corruptions, which are as lurking diseases. See the power of the world in smothering convictions, from regard to the applause or censure of men. Love of the praise of men, as a by-end in that which is good, will make a man a hypocrite when religion is in fashion, and credit is to be got by it; and love of the praise of men, as a base principle in that which is evil, will make a man an apostate, when religion is in disgrace, and credit is to be lost for it.

http://bible.cc/john/12-41.htm

Ubenedictus: i would love to discuss dis wit u in another thread. Do u mind starting one?

gbrookes02: Trinity Proof Texts: Isaiah 6



Isaiah 6:1: In the year of King Uzziah's death, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple.

Isaiah 6:8-9 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!" And He said, "Go, and tell this people: 'Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.'





I. Jesus is Yahweh:

A. Isaiah saw Jesus Christ (Yahweh)

"In the year of King Uzziah's death I saw Yahweh sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. " Isaiah 6:1
"For my eyes have seen the King, Yahwah of hosts." Isaiah 6:5
"Then I heard the voice of Yahweh, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!" " Isaiah 6:8
"These things Isaiah said because he (Isaiah) saw His (Christ's) glory, and he spoke of Him (Christ)." John 12:41
B. The context of John 12:41:
"These things Isaiah said because he saw His (Christ's) glory, and he spoke of Him (Christ)." John 12:41

The section focuses on Christ being glorified, with the Glory he had before creation (Jn 17:5) and how men were to believe in Jesus as the Saviour of the world.
John quotes from Isaiah several times about how men could not believe in Jesus.
The "Him" in John 12:41 can only be Jesus:
when Jesus was glorified v16
the Son of Man to be glorified v23
Father, glorify Your name (by glorifying Jesus) v28
they were not believing in Christ v37
Lord, who has believed our report v38
to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed v38
these things Isaiah said because he saw His (Christ's) glory, and he spoke of Him (Christ) v41
many even of the rulers believed in Him v42
Jesus cried out and said, He who believes in Me v44
He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me v45
A simple reading of the context of John 12 makes it clear that John is saying that Isaiah saw the glory of Jesus Christ himself in Isaiah 6. This proves Jesus is Yahweh.
C. Full context of John 12:41 proves Isaiah saw Jesus' glory.

"These things His disciples did not understand at the first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written of Him, and that they had done these things to Him. " John 12:16
"And Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. " John 12:23
""Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour. "Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came out of heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again." " John 12:27-28
"But though He (Christ) had performed so many signs before them, yet they were not believing in Him (Christ). This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: "Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, "He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart, so that they would not see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and be converted and I heal them." THESE THINGS ISAIAH SAID BECAUSE HE SAW HIS (CHRIST'S) GLORY, AND HE SPOKE OF HIM (CHRIST). Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him (Christ), but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him (Christ), for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the approval of men rather than the approval of God. And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me. "He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me. " John 12:37-45
II. Plural pronouns used of God proving the trinity:

A. Three plural pronouns, (We, Us, Our) used 6 different times in four different passages. Remember the word God (elohim) is also plural every time it is used in the Old Testament. Gen 11:7 also includes a plural verb (confuse) which even further, through grammer reinforces the plural "elohim" and the plural pronoun US.

"Our" Gen 1:26
"Us" Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8
"We" Isa 6:8
B. These are the four passages where God speaks for Himself and uses plural pronouns:

"Then God [plural elohim] said, "Let Us [plural pronoun] make man in Our [plural pronoun] image, according to Our [plural pronoun] likeness" Genesis 1:26
"Then Yahweh God [plural elohim] said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us [plural pronoun], knowing good and evil" Genesis 3:22
"Come, let Us [plural pronoun] go down and there confuse [plural form of balal] their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." Genesis 11:7
"Then I heard the voice of the Lord [plural elohim], saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us [plural pronoun]?"" Isaiah 6:8

http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-isaiah6.htm



Biblical Basis for Trinity

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD
Deuteronomy 6:4
Isaiah 43:10
Isaiah 44:6-8
OLD TESTAMENT EVIDENCES OF THE TRINITY
Genesis 1:1,26,27
Isaiah 6:1-10
Isaiah 48:12-16
Zechariah 2:10-11
(Points I & lll are not contested by those who deny the Trinity, therefore little space is given them here.)

THE FATHER IS GOD
I Peter 1:17
John 5:17-23
THE SON IS GOD
He Is Called God Explicitly
Matthew 1:23, "Emmanuel-God with us."
John 1:1, "The Word was God." (Note: There is no scholarly support for the NWT rendering it "a god." For a thorough treatment of this issue request our study on John 1:1)
John 5:17-23, The Son is "equal" to his Father
John 8:53-59, Jesus is the "I AM" of Exodus 3:1-15
John 10:28-33, Jesus and the Father are equal
John 20:28 "The Lord of me and THE GOD of me."
Romans 9:5, Christ is God over all
Colossians 2:9, All the fullness of deity
Titus 2:13, "our Great God and Saviour."
Hebrews 1:8, "Thy throne O God."
I John 5:20, "The true God."
He Is Described In Terms Reserved Only For God
Creator of ALL Things
John 1:3
Ephesians 3:9
Colossians 1:16,17
Hebrews 2:10
Revelation 3:14
The Almighty
Revelation 1:8 with 21:5-7; and 22:12,13,16,20
The First and Last
Revelation 1:17; 2:8; 22:13 (Compare Isaiah 44:6)
The Exact Representation of The Father
Hebrews 1:3
John 12:45 and 14:6-11
Isaiah 46:9
He Is Worshipped As God. (See Luke 4:
Revelation 5:11-13 (Compare Revelation 4:9-11)
Hebrews 1:6
O.T./N.T. Cross-Reference Proves Jesus Is God
Isaiah 40:3 with John 1:23 & 3:28
Isaiah 45:23 with Philippians 2:10,11 and Romans 14:11
Isaiah 44:24 with John 1:3
Isaiah 6:1-5 with John 12:37-41
Isaiah 8:13,14 with I Peter 2:7,8
Isaiah 42:8 with John 17:5
Isaiah 60:19 with Luke 2:30-32
Psalms 102:24-27 with Hebrews 1:10-12
Psalms 45:6,7 with Hebrews 1:8,9
Psalms 23:1 with Isaiah 40:10,11 and John 10,11
I Kings 8:39 with Revelation 2:23
Joel 2:32 with Romans 10:9-13
Exodus 3:14 with John 8:58,59
Malachi 3:1 with Matthew 11:10
Exodus 19:18-21 with Hebrews 12:18-26
Zechariah 12:10 & 13:6,7 with John 19:34-37
Zechariah 14:4,5 with Matthew 24:29-31; Matthew 25:31; Jude 14,15; II Thessalonians 1:7-10; Revelation 19:11-21
Jesus Is God Made Flesh
Philippians 2:5-8: Jesus "being in the form of God" (i.e., deity), did not consider it something to cling to, but emptied himself of his divine glory and perogatives, NOT his divine nature, and took UPON his divine form "the form of a servant" (i.e., humanity), in order to suffer death.
John 1:1,14: "In the beginning was (eternally) the Word and the Word was with God (i.e., the Father and Holy Spirit), and the Word was God (deity)." "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us."
Hebrews 1:3 and 2:9-18: Jesus is the "EXACT REPRESENTATION of His (God's) VERY BEING" (NWT). No creature could possibly do that! But, Jesus set aside his infinite glory to become one of us so that he could be to us an, example in faith, the perfect sacrifice, our High Priest, Comforter, and Saviour.
Who Is The "Angel Of Jehovah?"
Genesis 16:7-13
Genesis 18:1,13,17,20-22,26,33; 19:24
Genesis 22:11-18
Genesis 31:11-13
Genesis 32:24-30 (compare Hosea 12:4,5)
Genesis 48: 15,16
Exodus 3:1-15 (compare vs. 5 with Joshua 5: 14,15)
Exodus 23:20,21
Judges 6:11-23
Note: In these passages the "Angel of Jehovah" speaks as Jehovah, is called Jehovah, does the works of Jehovah, and is worshipped by those to whom He appears. He is Jesus, the Son of God. "Angel" means "messenger" and is applied to the angelic beings, men (evangelists), and to God (see above)

Answers To Common Antitrinitarian Prooftexts
John 14:28 "My Father is greater than I." Just as the husband is positionally greater than the wife so the Father is greater the the Son. Both husband and wife are equally human as the Father and Son are equally divine.
Colossians 1:15 "the Firstborn of all creation." "Firstborn" (Gr. Prototokos), not "first created" (Gr. "Protoktistos". Firstborn is term that means first in importance. These scriptures bear that out: Genesis 41:51,52 with Jeremiah 31:9; Deuteronomy 21:15-17; Exodus 4:22; and Job 18:13.
Revelation 3:14 "the beginning of the creation of God." We derive many words such as architect, archangel, arch-rival, from the Greek word "arche" translated "beginning" in this verse. It means "origin," "source," "chief," and "ruler." Jesus is the origin of ALL, or the creator.
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD
He Is Called God
Acts 5:3,4 Lying to the Spirit is lying to God
II Corinthians 3:17 "The Lord is that Spirit." (compare this with Exodus 34:29-35)
He Is Omnipotent
Isaiah 40:12-14 (See Romans 11:34 and I Corinthians 2:16)
He Is Omniscient
I Corinthians 2:10,11 Isaiah 40: 13,14
He Is Omnipresent
Psalm 139:7
He Is Eternal
Hebrews 9:14
He Has The Attributes Of Personality
Intellect
Romans 8:27, "The MIND of the Spirit."
I Corinthians 2:10-12, The Spirit "KNOWS."
Will
I Corinthians 12:11, "The Spirit WILLS."
Emotion
Ephesians 4:30, "GRIEVE" not the Spirit
His Self-Cognizance Is Shown By These Actions:
He Speaks
Acts 8:29; 10:19; 13:2; 21:11
Revelation 2:7,11,17,29; 3:6,13,22
He Teaches
Luke 12:12
John 14:26
I John 2:26,27
Says "I"
Acts 10:20
If the Holy Spirit is a self-cognizant personality, and is also eternal, then He must be God, for God is the only eternal being.
Conclusion

"So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet there are not three Gods, but one God." (from The Athanasian Creed)

http://www.watchman.org/articles/general-topics-doctrine/biblical-basis-for-trinity/

gbrookes02: The Yahweh that Isaiah saw in the Old Testament is The Jesus Christ of the New Testament according to the apostle John, see "Isaiah saw Jesus as Yahweh (Compare John 12:37-41 with Isaiah 6:1-10)" at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zmE43MQMkQ



Who Did Isaiah See?

We’re going to resume our study tonight of the Trinity and going through the gospel of John. I’m not going to cover the Triumphant Entry since we’ve already done that. I’d like us instead go to another part of John 12. Greeks have come to see Jesus. When that happens, Jesus says that the time has arrived and John gives a commentary on all that happens. I recommend you read the relevant portions prior to our text starting in verse 37.

37Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
”Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40“He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them. 41Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.

Jesus has been doing miraculous signs for the people and now, even the voice of God has spoken, and the people refuse to believe. What is going on exactly? John’s commentary on what has happened comes straight out of Isaiah. Let’s look at the first passage.

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

This passage should sound familiar. It’s Isaiah 53 which is the noted servant song that speaks about Christ and how he would be rejected as Messiah. The second passage is also a passage of rejection, but it is one that comes much earlier. This comes from Isaiah 6. It’s in verse 10, but I will quote the first five verses.

1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:
“Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory.” 4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

5 ”Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty.”

Can there be any doubt that Isaiah here saw YHWH? Verse 5 should dispel any hesitancy to say that. Notice how YHWH is described as high and exalted. Is that language used elsewhere in Isaiah. YES!

13 See, my servant will act wisely
he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.

Where is this? Chapter 52. In fact, it’s the prelude to the servant song.

The term used to describe YHWH is used to describe Christ but notice how John’s description continues. Let’s look at why he says Isaiah said these things in John 12:41.

41Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.

What glory did Isaiah see? He saw the glory of YHWH. That is who anyone would think of when he asked who Isaiah saw and that’s what John wishes us to see. John 12:41 is pointing back to say that the one on the throne is Jesus Christ.

Which also makes Isaiah 6 fit in with John 1:18 as no one has seen God as he is, that is, the Father, but the Son has revealed him.

http://deeperwaters./2009/05/28/who-did-isaiah-see/

ijawkid:

Lol.....

so Jesus came programmed without a free will abi??

But it was very much possible for Yahweh who is Jesus as u claim to die and be killed....??


you are one hell of a clown....

ijawkid:

Jesus is not Yahweh you olodo......

New International Version (©1984)
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud
voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which
means, "My God, my God, why have you
forsaken me?"
.......

Which percentage of Jesus was making this prayer and to who??

You are just a silly trinitarian.....

Who was Jesus crying to??

ijawkid:

Because the §cholars Ù copy and pasted from are hard hearted trinitarians you will never get the point....

Why on earth do you think 1 kings 8:1 was rendered that way if it wasn't fashioned in the same pattern as genesis 19:24...??

Its a trend in the hebrew scriptures...

Besides newer translations has made things easier by translating genesis 19:24 this way....

New Living Translation (©2007)
24.Then the LORD rained down fire and burning
sulfur from the sky on Sodom and Gomorrah.

..............

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
24.Then the LORD made burning sulfur and fire
rain out of heaven on Sodom and Gomorrah.
........
Good News Translation (GNT)
24 Suddenly the LORD rained burning sulfur
on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah

Loo“ up those translations....

They had to put it straight so that people like your type that likes to argue stubbornly would read ans understand....

ijawkid:

Also apart from Gods power that will ressurect you,you faithfulness and constant endurance before your death will also be responsible for your ressurection...

God will not ressurect everybody to everlasting life....and you know that......

Only those who did ""the will of my Father"" as Jesus said will see life.....

ijawkid:
Jesus's wo®ds sounded like it was the womans faith that healed her alone...but like you truely answered it was Jesus who really. Healed her...

So on what bÀsis will those who will be ressurected in the future be ressurected??



Now let's imagine if Jesus did not obey Yahweh to the end but allowed satans temptations get to Him(ofcus Jesus had the free will to obey his Father or not)...would he have been ressurected??

Answer me.......

ijawkid:

Lol......

Please apart from this verse you are holding on to with all your life which other verse says Jesus raised himself up??....

Scriptures answer scriptures......

All the rest verses say it was Yahweh who raised him up...

Besides who was Jesus crying and praying to,to save Him??

Himself abi??

ijawkid:

Oh doing something from you®self......

Tunde (who is the ceo of a company) withdrew money from Tunde's account(the same. Tu.nde who is a ceo)...

Are you seeing the idiom once more.....

1 kings 8:1 gives you a similar scenario but you are being stubborn not to see it......

So it would have made more sense to you if ""Yahweh called all the morning stars to Yahweh""??

You get serious problem....

ijawkid:

Wait now...

So what exactly healed the woman??

Her or Jesus??

Jesus had to endure to the end in order to be ressurected......

That is the point....

You think in the future Yahweh won't ressurect those who lived faithful lives...??

On what basis do you think persons would be ressurected??

What woÙld make you ""=gbrookes02"" confident that you would be rssurected after death??

ijawkid:

That i§ what it means when it says Jesus can take ""it up""......

Jesus petitioned and prayed with ""cries and tears"" to the one who could save him from death....

I believe Jesus was crying to (himself) abi..??.



You are just been stubborn.....

ijawkid:

You are still quoting genesis 19;24??

Oh this my freind has comprehension problems.....

SMH!!!!!!!

Its a hebrew idiom that speaks of a person doing something in reference to himself......

Do you know the meaning of IDIOM??

Let me give an example:::::

""gbrookes02"" bought oranges for ""gbrookes02"

Now that's a hebrew idiom.....

U still dey confused??

ijawkid:

Please let's read luke 8:48....

New International Version (©1984)
Then he(Jesus) said to her, "Daughter, your ""faith"" has
healed you. Go in peace."


From the above verse who or what would you say healed that woman??the woman herself or Jesus??

Answer this question then I'll tell u something important.....

ijawkid:

By being obedient right down till death.....

Jesus played a part in ensuring his ressurection....

And that was despising shame,and ridicule and also undergoing a painful death........

The same way we have every reason to be ressurected after we die if we faithfully serve God right down to the end.........

Jesus had Faith in his Father and endured trials......even during the last hour when Jesus told his Father ""if it is your will let this cup pass""

The Father ressurected Jesus......

Read galatians 1:1 to see the Fact...

New Living Translation (©2007)
This letter is from Paul, an apostle. I was not
appointed by any group of people or any human
authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by
""God the Father"", who raised Jesus from the
dead.
....

Jesus' faithfullness and obedience was responsible for his ressurection.......

Read hebrews 5:

7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he
offered up prayers and petitions with fervent
""cries and tears"" to the"" one ""who could save him
from death, and he was heard because of his
reverent submission. 8 Son though he was, he
learned obedience from what he suffered
.........

Do you see clearly now??

Read verse 7 of the hebrews 5 that is up there.....

Make no mistake my bro.........

It was Yahweh who ressurected Jesus,based on Jesus' faithfullness ,endurance and constant submission....

TroGunn:

The angel of Yahweh is addressed as Yahweh or reported as speaking as Yahweh sometimes only because the angel represents or is a messenger of Yahweh and the message they deliver is actually Yahweh's. Like Jesus, they do what Yahweh tells them to do. They are not Yahweh, nor are they equal to Him. Any other conclusion is just wild conjecture to support a fledging false teaching.

frosbel:

So according to you , not only was John lying , Peter and Paul were also lying when they said :


"But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay. - Acts 13:37"
- PAUL


"You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. - Acts 3:15 "
- PETER


By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also - 1 Corinthians 6:14 "
- PAUL


So now you have called 3 major apostles who walked and talked with JESUS Liars !!

See what this idol is doing to you , SMH.

frosbel:

Are questioning apostle John's testimony ?

No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

Let me repeat here :

This command I received from my Father.

frosbel:

And who gave him this promise ?

frosbel:

Do you believe the entire bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit of GOD ?

frosbel:

what is Jesus's testimony ?

frosbel:

"But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay. - Acts 13:37"
- PAUL


"You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. - Acts 3:15 "
- PETER


By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also - 1 Corinthians 6:14 "
- PAUL