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slimyem: Celebrity marraiges...
Only few of those survive..
Sad hers is not one though...
...another crashed celebrity marriage is just arond the corner...

I fully agree with you.

Composer: All you are doing ius quoting your preferred Story book propaganda!

Show us the unambiguous evidence that these words were given by ANY Supernatural god & then we'll talk more?

Meanwhile you are merely quoting empty propaganda!

Exactly what rational or logical evidence or proof are you asking for to show or prove to you that the "words were given by ANY Supernatural god", that you would consistently and logically ask for to prove the existence of anything or anyone else, be they in the past or present? I must know what exactly you are asking for before I can provide it, and to see how rational or logical you are. I don't want to go on a wild goose chase.

Composer: Do you seriously consider your getting Cancer or some other terrible disease for your wife or children is a ' good gift? '

Quoting Story book propaganda (e.g. bible) doesn't help your cause one iota as ALL acclaimed ' holy-text ' is merely 100% human written and devised and the legitimate evidence a single word in ANY of them came from ANY Supernatural god(s) remains a constant zero!

Romans 8:28 "And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose" - English Standard Version (ESV).

Even though everything comes from God they are not all good gifts from God, but for all of His chosen or elect ones only, the results of everything would be a good gift to them all from God.

Composer: ALL Supernatural god(s) are merely some humans concept!

Hence ' Salvation ' is also merely another human concept concerning 100% mythical Supernatural god(s)

The fact that Story book Col. 1:16 states that the Story book god claims 100% credit for having created everything; then as I correctly stated before, it is solely responsible for having created ' all the nasties '.

So stop trying to blame others for doing so because your Story book god claims total responsibility!

How do you know that "ALL Supernatural god(s) are merely some humans concept! Hence ' Salvation ' is also merely another human concept concerning 100% mythical Supernatural god(s)"? What is your proof or evidence?

Joagbaje: James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Also remember Romans 8:28 "And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose" - English Standard Version (ESV)

Proverbs 14:34 "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people." - English Standard Version (©2001).

Psalm 9:17 "The wicked will return to Sheol (that is to destruction and ruin in Hell), Even all the nations who forget God." - New American Standard Bible (©1995).

Nigeria should keep out of Mali and mine their own business in Nigeria, Nigeria have more enough problems to take care of in Nigeria.

wordthots: 1corinthians 8:6

5-6 For although there may be so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many of them, both of gods and of lords and masters,
Yet for us there is [only] one God, the Father, Who is the Source of all things and for Whom we [have life], and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through and by Whom are all things and through and by Whom we [ourselves exist]. (AMP)

A good parallel for this scripture is john 1:1-3

In the beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [b]Himself.
2 He was present originally with God.
3 All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being. (AMP)

And another good parallel scripture is genesis 1

This passages are referring to creation in general and not that all things (good and evil) come from God.
Looking at the creation story it was never said that God created darkness, but rather he called forth light (v2). Also in some other place all God created was seen as good ( that's the opposite of evil)
This are just pointers to the real attributes of God
Evil, sicknesses n all didn't exist in the beginning they came after the fall of man. The devil became the god of the world when man fell.
From the story of Job, john 10:10, acts 10:38 he is the author of evil and oppression.
I will end by asking you this question

Will sickness and all forms of evil exist in heaven and the millenial reign?

About isaiah 45 still putting my thoughts together.

Godbless

While putting your thoughts together on Isaiah 45, it is also vital that you also see, and study, and put your thoughts together also on, Amos 3:6; Job 2:10; 42:11; Genesis 50:20; Deut. 29:21; Joshua 23:15; Judges 2:15; 9:23-24; 1 Samuel 18:10-11; 1 Kings 9:9; 21:21, 29; 2 Kings 6:33; Exodus 4:11, 1 Samuel 2:6-7; Proverbs 16:4; Isaiah 10 (there God causes and makes nations to destroy nations), Colossians 1:16. I use different translations put much more importantly I go to the original languages of the bible, but I would encourage you very much to read them in the King James Bible as well.

You said "all" means "all" are you now saying "all things" don't mean "all things"? Explain your inconsistency.

wordthots: This is also just like ephesians 1 cause the context is salvation.

Chapter 10 gives us a good background for chapter 11. It talks about how the isrealites have rejected Gods method of establishing righteousness (by faith) and how they embraced their own method of establishing righteousness (by the law). It refers to how the gentiles have embraced the gospel and gives prophecies to back this up.

In chapter 11 it talks about how the benefit of salvation was passed to the gentiles despite isreals rejection of it (thanks to Gods providence). God working all things despite their rejection.

11-12 Now I ask myself, “Was this fall of theirs an utter disaster? It was not! For through their failure the benefit of salvation has passed to the Gentiles with the result that Israel is made to see and feel what is has missed. For if their failure has so enriched the world, and their defection proved such a benefit to the Gentiles, think what tremendous advantage their fulfilling of God’s plan could mean. (JB Phillips)

The latter part places an argument for jews despite their rejection and why the gentiles should not feel conceited cause they believe but rather fear God. Also paul talks about how isreal can still be restored if they believe, despite their initial rejection. He argues that their restoration is even "simpler" than the salvation of the gentiles (he uses the analogy of a tree)

The whole chapter just shows how Gods plan unfolds both to jews and gentiles despite deir flaws. It shows us how complex and wise Gods thoughts can be, and how he works all things according to his will. Hence the reason for the last 4 verses which praise God who works all things (in this case salvation) according to His will.

34-35 Frankly, I stand amazed at the unfathomable complexity of God’s wisdom and God’s knowledge. How could man ever understand his reasons for action, or explain his methods of working? For: ‘Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become his counsellor?’ ‘Or who has first given to him and it shall be repaid to him?’

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever, amen. (JB Phillips)

its not referring to God doing good and evil or how good and evil comes from God, but how God brings his plans to pass despite seeming flaws.

Even JB Phillips says "all things" are "of God". You said "all" means "all" are you now saying "all things" don't mean "all things"? Explain your inconsistency.

wordthots: @ gbrookes

I decided to explain your anchor scriptures in the right context, I hope this helps...

Ephesians 1:11

 All things are done according to God's plan and decision; and God chose us to be his own people in union with Christ because of his own purpose, based on what he had decided from the very beginning (GNB)

This passage is referring clearly to salvation, salvation is the right context.
It talks about a plan/will of God, which is already referred to in verse 4 and 5 (most especially 5).

5 God[b] had already decided that through Jesus Christ he would make us his children—this was his pleasure and purpose. (GNB)

Now verse 10 talks about how that plan keeps unfolding till the millenial reign (the ultimate goal).

"All things are done according to God's plan" what does this mean

His plan was to bring christ and "through Jesus Christ he would make us his children" (v5). This plan (christs coming and our union with him) will lead to the ultimate goal v10

Before christ came how did God work all things to this plan?

Isreal was chosen by God, even though from time to time they were disobedient he still worked through them to fulfill his plan of bringing Jesus.
God used men despite their flaws in accomplishing his plan. Examples are Rehab (a prostitute), Jacob (correct 419ner), David (adulterer and murderer), Abraham( liar) etc.

God did not push David to commit adultery with Bathsheba neither did he make him kill her husband, David did that himself. Yet Jesus is a dscendant of the son of that woman and also a descendant of the people listed above( that's God working all things to his plan).

It would be ridicolous to think God pushed them to disobedience. The truth is they made their choices but God still worked thru this

Some men under the old testament had a glimpse of this plan, that's why we have hebrews 11

God worked through men, giving them various signs and shadows of what his plan was, for example Abraham wanting to sacrifice Isaac, moses putting a snake on a "cross", the rock which moses hit, Noah and the ark etc. All this were pointers to Gods plan

Even till now He is still working through us, bringing more men to himself through us and also till that ultimate goal (millenial reign) is fulfilled. Phillipians 2:13 (its God at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure), 2cor 4:7( we carry this treasure in earthen vessels...)

Though we have flaws and are not perfect yet he still works through us.

I believe that's what the passage is talking about, its not talking about God doing "all things" in terms of good and evil but rather that through the dispensations of times God worked through men despite flaws till christ came bodily and is still working till the ultimate goal is fulfilled.

You said "all" means "all" are you now saying "all things" don't mean "all things"? Explain your inconsistency.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.(Leviticus 18:22 KJV).

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV).

Remember Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis chapters 18 to 19.

Also read Romans chapter 1.

Divorce is a very serious and very, very sad thing. Its not a time to celebrate but a time to mourn and weep very bitterly. I must say Jackie's husband should not of allowed her to do those sex and romantic (kissing, caressing, etc.) scenes in the movies no matter how fake they are (the Death After Birth movie sex scene even caused unwanted scandals between Jackie and the male actor), shame on him as a husband for letting her do those scenes, and shame on Jackie Appiah for doing sex and romantic scenes in movies and its even worst as a married woman. Marriage should come before work (including the making of movies), money, friends, family, etc., and they all should even be sacrificed for your marriage if needs be. Remember your vows before God and man. Sex and deep romantic scenes are not needed in movies and shame on all those who take part in them and put them in their movies, which only help to degenerate, and destroy society even more.

These and other reasons (such as the many sex scandals, actors and actresses not taking their marriages seriously enough by putting their celebrity status, and the making of movies (which include doing sex and romantic scenes) before their marriages) is why I am at the point of almost stopping to watch Nollywood movies, this can't be good for society and I don't want to help to contribute to the destruction of society. I have stopped looking at Jackie Appiah's movies because of the above reasons and others as well such as some of her tweets on twitter, I have come to realize that she is a very materialistic and worldly person who is not a role model at all. I use to love her movies but I don't any longer, and I think that she can act, she do have talent, but they are misdirected, they are leading her down the wrong path to destruction in Hell, and I think her celebrity status has gotten to her head like many of her acting colleagues. Yes the actors and actresses (including Jackie) do some "good" in society such as giving to children, and so on. But whatever good they do is completely undone by their movies and scandals corrupting the minds of the same children and destroying society. And a married person is suppose to go the extra mile to avoid scandals but for these married actors and actresses its nothing to them, its a joke to them, their celebrity status, (immoral) fun, the making of movies, and so on come before their marriages. Instead of they being role models they are the Devil's model. Very few are (humanly speaking) the exception to this in Nollywood and Ghallywood and they seem to be some of the older actors and actresses.

Humanly speaking there are very good and decent African movies with decent actors and actresses who are (humanly speaking) role models for society and it is at these links where I almost get all of my African movies, and (humanly speaking) they are very good and excellent movies, the links are:

http://www.youtube.com/user/9jagospelmovies?feature=g-user-u

http://www.youtube.com/user/seunjonathan?feature=g-user-u

http://www.youtube.com/user/PrepHeavens?feature=g-user-c

julietjuks: i dont understand why u have to employ all this scripture to prove a point. if Jesus is the author of sickness as u say it then why did he die. have u asked urself was his death,burial and resurrection a political arrangement among the dieties to fool man or did he die to resue man from sin and sickness.by his death he took mans place, i mean ur place in death,sickness and the judgement of God so that u do not ever have to go through any of them.God is love and does care about how we enjoy our lifes cos thats his desire for his children.

Jesus died to save His own, His church, see Ephesians 5:25; Acts 20:28; Revelation 5:9-10 "And they sang a new song, saying:


“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”"

(New International Version)

This is the world that Jesus died for in John 3:16, the world of His church, the world of His elect or chosen ones, only. His death and His resurection means eternal salvation for His church from His wrath in the eternal Hell fire, to be with Him in his eternal Kingdom of Heaven. It also means at our resurrection at His second coming His saints will get perfect eternal bodies, all assured and gotten by His death and resurrection.
In the bible we are told of saints who were sick and nothing about them been healed, see Philippians 2:25-30, 1 Timothy 5:23 (Timothy was told to drink wine instead); 2 Timothy 4:20.
Romans 11: 36 "For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen."

Read the article "The Charismatic Movement 35 Doctrinal Issues" for further information at: http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/charis06.htm

julietjuks: i dont understand why u have to employ all this scripture to prove a point. if Jesus is the author of sickness as u say it then why did he die. have u asked urself was his death,burial and resurrection a political arrangement among the dieties to fool man or did he die to resue man from sin and sickness.by his death he took mans place, i mean ur place in death,sickness and the judgement of God so that u do not ever have to go through any of them.God is love and does care about how we enjoy our lifes cos thats his desire for his children.

Jesus died to save His own, His church, see Ephesians 5:25; Acts 20:28; Revelation 5:9-10 "And they sang a new song, saying:


“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”"

(New International Version)

This is the world that Jesus died for in John 3:16, the world of His church, the world of His elect or chosen ones, only. His death and His resurection means eternal salvation for His church from His wrath in the eternal Hell fire, to be with Him in his eternal Kingdom of Heaven. It also means at our resurrection at His second coming His saints will get perfect eternal bodies, all assured and gotten by His death and resurrection.
In the bible we are told of saints who were sick and nothing about them been healed, see Philippians 2:25-30, 1 Timothy 5:23 (Timothy was told to drink wine instead); 2 Timothy 4:20.
Romans 11: 36 "For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen."

Read the article "The Charismatic Movement 35 Doctrinal Issues" for further information at: http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/charis06.htm

julietjuks: for many of u who are not sure whether sickness is an act of God along with other tradegies labelled to be acts of God,first we should ask what is an act of God. it is an premediatated, preconcieved and determined expression of God.in other words,God expresses himself through this so-called acts. but this cannot be true.sickness or any such disaster could never be an act of God. how can one seek to destroy his object of love. GOD LOVES MAN.so if it is not God who has the world in a mess then who is to blame. u must realise that God gave man authority to rule the world as u would find in genesis but he handed that authority to the devil who is a wicked spirit. the devil has worked through to bring about what u see around.Jesus came and died that he might put to end the disaster man is in.he has done it already but man has not accepted what he did. thats why we have to tell the world about thr love.

Malachi 3:6 "For I the LORD do not change..." English Standard Version (©2001).

Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" New International Version (©1984).

The Jesus of the new covenant is the same God of the old covenant and He doesn't change. Jesus sent sicknesses in the old covenant and He stills sends sicknesses in the new covenant.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture (both the old and new testaments) is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work" (English Standard Version).

1 Corinthians 11:27-32 "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. 31 But if we judged ourselves truly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world." (English Standard Version).

Romans 11:36 "For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen" (English Standard Version).

Ephesians 1:11 "In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will" (English Standard Version).

1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist" (English Standard Version).

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (King James Version).

From the above passages of scripture we see that God is in absolute sovereign control of all things, and sovereignly causes everything, be it good or evil, light or darkness.

The book of Revelation tells us that the Lord will be sending plagues (among other things) on the earth to destroy the earth in the last days because of man's evil and wickedness. And that all these thing will be happening before He comes back.

Read the article "Sickness, Disease, Healing" at this link: http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_sickness.html

On the hatred of God.

Romans 9:10-13, 18, 21-23 "And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,"

(King James Version)

Psalm 5:6 "Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man." (King James Version)

Psalm 11:5 "The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth." (King James Version)

Hebrews 12:5-8 "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

(King James Version)

From the above scriptures we clearly see that God hates and is wrathful against some people, and others He loves. In other words God don't love everybody.

emmanjo: We really need to understand the difference between when man was under the old covenant and the new covenant; before Jesus came and after he came. We need to really understand the Scriptures. We need not just look for a Scripture that points at sickness and diseases and then attribute it to God out of context. The authority we have now in Christ Jesus was not there then. The life we now have was not there then. You can even say God afflicted Egyptians with plagues and diseases. But what does the new covenant (after Jesus' ressurection teach)? Well whether u take it or not, evil is not from God and we are not supposed tonallow the devil.

It is whatever u allow on earth that is allowed in heaven and it is whatever u disallow on earth that is disallowed in heaven...so the Scriptures teach. So if u eant keep allowing the devil (even though God doesnt) want it so, and blaming it on God.
Every good and perffect gift is from the father...the father of light. James 1:17.

Hallelujah!

Malachi 3:6 "For I the LORD do not change..." English Standard Version (©2001).

Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" New International Version (©1984).

The Jesus of the new covenant is the same God of the old covenant and He doesn't change. Jesus sent sicknesses in the old covenant and He stills sends sicknesses in the new covenant.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture (both the old and new testaments) is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work" (English Standard Version).

1 Corinthians 11:27-32 "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. 31 But if we judged ourselves truly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world." (English Standard Version).

Romans 11:36 "For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen" (English Standard Version).

Ephesians 1:11 "In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will" (English Standard Version).

1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist" (English Standard Version).

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (King James Version).

From the above passages of scripture we see that God is in absolute sovereign control of all things, and sovereignly causes everything, be it good or evil, light or darkness.

The book of Revelation tells us that the Lord will be sending plagues (among other things) on the earth to destroy the earth in the last days because of man's evil and wickedness. And that all these thing will be happening before He comes back.

Read the article "Sickness, Disease, Healing" at this link: http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_sickness.html

Atheist:-D:
He wept because he knew there was no God or heaven.

How do you know that there is no God?

bokohalal: True. There is no God so he cannot bring sickness.

How do you know that there is no God?

Exodus 4:10-11, "But Moses said to the Lord, “Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either in the past or since you have spoken to your servant, but I am slow of speech and of tongue.” 11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?". English Standard Version (ESV).

Sickness is from God.

Ephesians 1:11 "In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will," English Standard Version (ESV).

Is Iyanya, a God fearing man? I don't think so. If he is not, then a God fearing woman will not choose to be with him, please read 2 Corinthians 6:14-18.

I read that she and Ngosi Ezeonu were of help to him financially, and as friends by his side. And I am living in St. Kitts, West Indies, and have never being to Africa. Stella Damascus, should realise that her acting colleagues are taking their acting business more serious than her, it is all an act on their part, life is all an act on their part, just look at the amount of scandals they get in just like the politicians, businessmen, and the socalled pastors, and priests. For Stella Damascus, acting colleagues life imitates art all the way. So Stella Damascus, don't be surprised, just expect it from them.

Nor The Son: Matthew 24:36/Mark 13:32 and the Trinity

http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4994