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As far as many pastors are concerned, the most important scripture of all is not to be found in the word of Jesus. Neither is it even in the New Testament.

That scripture says: “‘Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house, and try me now in this,’ says the LORD of hosts, ‘If I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it.’” (Malachi 3:10).
This scripture is drummed repeatedly into Christians on Sundays. However, the only time Jesus mentioned tithing in scripture, he pointed out that it was not a weighty matter of the law. (Matthew 23:23). Hebrews says people only receive tithes “according to the law.” (Hebrews 7:5). It then insists tithing (and everything else under the law) has been annulled: “The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless.” (Hebrews 7:18-19). Nevertheless, mercenary pastors continue to insist on the payment of tithes.

Latter-day Pharisees

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for keeping part instead of the whole law. (Matthew 23:23). That is what tithe-collecting pastors do today. If we insist our congregants must pay tithes, we must also insist that they keep the rest of the law. James says: “Whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10). Therefore, if we insist on tithing, we should also refrain from eating pork. We should stone adulterers, execute homosexuals, kill Sabbath violators and restore blood-sacrifices.
Tithe-collecting pastors counter this by maintaining the payment of tithes pre-dated the law. Here Abraham is cited as the cardinal example of someone who paid tithes before the promulgation of the Law of Moses, as did Jacob, his grandson. However, such arguments are disingenuous.
Before the law, tithing was at best an example but not a commandment. Moreover, pastors fail to mention that Abraham only tithed once in his lifetime. When he did, he did not even tithe his own money: he tithed the spoils of war. He gave ten percent of the plunder he took when he rescued Lot to Melchisedec, king of Salem. But then he did not even keep the rest but returned it (all ninety percent) to the king of Sodom.
For his part, Jacob also tithed only once. He did this in a “let’s make a deal” arrangement he offered to God: “Jacob made a vow, saying, ‘If God will be with me, and keep me in this way that I am going, and give me bread to eat and clothing to put on, so that I come back to my father’s house in peace, then the LORD shall be my God. And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will surely give a tenth to you.’” (Genesis 28:20-22). This kind of deal about accepting God only under certain self-serving conditions should certainly not be a term of reference for any serious believer.

Lies upon lies

The first lie pastors tell Christians is what some have referred to as “the eleventh commandment:” “Thou shalt pay thy tithes to thy local church.” But the bible says no such thing. The storehouse of Malachi was not a church. It was a place where food was kept.
Pastors hide from church-members the fact that money was not acceptable as tithe. The tithe was a tenth of the seed and fruit of the land and of the animals which ate of the land. (Leviticus 27:30-32). That is why God says: “Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be FOOD in my house.” (Malachi 3:10). He does not say “that there may be MONEY in my house.” The food was used to feed the Levites, the poor, widows, orphans and strangers.
Pastors also conveniently fail to teach the biblical tithe. The principles of tithing were not laid down by Malachi. They were laid down by Moses. The study of Moses’ guidelines quickly reveals that the biblical tithe has no application whatsoever to Christians and is mischievously violated by tithe-collecting pastors today.
According to the Law of Moses, the tithe was divided into three allocations. The first year, it was given to the Levite. The second year, it was given to widows, orphans and the poor. The third year, it was eaten in the company of the faithful before the Lord as thanksgiving for his faithfulness. (Deuteronomy 14:22-28). In the seventh year, there was no planting and no reaping and therefore no tithing.
So the next time your pastor asks you to pay tithe, ask him about the seventh-year reprieve. Also ask him if you can give your tithe to the orphanage, or bring it as food items to be eaten in church. Believe me; he will not agree with you because it is your money he is after.

Inapplicability of tithes

Tithing was only applicable to Jews and to the land of Israel. When large populations of Jews lived in Babylon, Ammon, Moab, Egypt, and Syria, these lands became tithe-able lands. However, tithes were not acceptable from strictly Gentile lands. So you need to ask your pastor how come he is collecting tithes in Nigeria.
Servants or slaves who worked on the land did not tithe because the land did not belong to them. Since only agricultural and animal resources were included, a fisherman gave no tithe of his fisheries. Neither did a miner or a carpenter pay tithes, nor anyone from the various professional occupations. So if you are not a farmer or a keeper of livestock, tell your 419 pastor tithing is biblically inapplicable to you.
Moreover, the only people authorised to receive tithes were the Levites. (Hebrews 7:5). So if your Pastor is a “tithe-collector,” ask him if he happens to be a Jew. Remind him that, even though a Jew, Jesus could not receive the tithe because he was not from the tribe of Levi but from that of Judah.
The trick, of course, is for pastors today to claim we are “Levites.” If your pastor is one such dissembler, ask him if he lives as a Levite. Remind him that Levites had no land and did not have private property. Ask him also how he knows he is from the tribe of Levi, which happens to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. Point out to him that even Jewish rabbis don’t claim to be Levites today because all Jewish genealogical records were lost with the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, ensuring that it is no longer possible to ascertain the true identity of Levites.
Therefore, if Jews no longer tithe because the Levites are a lost tribe, how can Christian pastors collect tithes when we are not even Jewish, how much more Levites? If Jewish rabbis, whose terms of reference remain the Old Testament no longer collect tithes, then pastors who insist Christians are under a New Testament have no business doing so.
The conclusion then is inescapable. Every pastor who collects tithes is nothing but “a thief and a robber.” (John 10:1).

By Femi Aribisala

http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/headline/281355-every-pastor-who-collects-tithes-is-a-thief.html

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Psalm 14:1 "To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good." - English Standard Version (©2001)

CFCfan: Welcome to Nairaland

Thanks, its been sometime now since I'm here. Have even gotten into debates as well.

I am from Saint Kitts and Nevis.

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Great.

Composer: ALL Supernatural god(s) are a 100% human concept!

IF you are a genuine jebus believer then employ e.g. John 14:12-14, 15:7 and appeal to it to provide (what it promised ANY genuine believer that asked that it unequivocally would) with the unambiguous proofs I require that only an Omnipotent, Almighty Supernatural god that created me(apparently?) and thereby is the only one that knows what it would take to unambiguously convince me!

I've waited over 50 years already for your entire predecessors to achieve this & alas no sign of anything except their BS, so I can wait a while longer for yours to manifest itself further, LOL!

Let me know i) When you appealed for this to happen? ii) When it gave you a time frame of how long it needs to achieve this?

From my vast experience, I shan't hold my breath!

"ALL Supernatural god(s) are a 100% human concept!"

Where is your proof for that statement?

"I've waited over 50 years already for your entire predecessors to achieve this & alas no sign of anything except their BS, so I can wait a while longer for yours to manifest itself further, LOL!"

So that proof that God don't exist? Well, if you don't give me a sign that you exist that mean you don't exist, you're just a figment of my imagination. You ever thought that God might not be interested in giving you a sign?

"IF you are a genuine jebus believer then employ e.g. John 14:12-14, 15:7 and appeal to it to provide (what it promised ANY genuine believer that asked that it unequivocally would) with the unambiguous proofs I require that only an Omnipotent, Almighty Supernatural god that created me(apparently?) and thereby is the only one that knows what it would take to unambiguously convince me!"

John 14:12-14 & 15:7 are to be understood in the context of if it being God's will then He will (not might) grant it, see 2 Corinthians 12:7-10, and Matthew 6:10. The bible is meant by God and given to us by God to live by, to be saved from God's wrath, and our sins by, and to be interpreted in the proper way. The proper way of interpreting the bible to interpret each unit or passage of the bible in the context of the whole, because its the whole that gives the context from each passage or unit of the bible as it was written by one perfect logical mind, the mind of God only and alone. To interpret each passage or unit of the bible in isolation by and of itself (which is what you are doing) will lead to many misinterpretations of the bible (which you are doing, misinterpreting the bible).

Composer: Your question remains spurious in light of the fact that your legitimate evidence for ANY literal Supernatural god(s) remains a constant zero!

I agree however that your preferred Story book unambiguously states that it is incumbent upon wanna-be believers like YOU, that you provide the legitimate evidence to PROVE your cause -

1. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess. 5:21) KJV Story book

2. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry . {make...; or, fulfil} (2 Tim. 4:5) KJV Story book

You and those like you remain unambiguously defeated so get going asap with your proofs otherwise or else remain a liar and a self deluded fraud?

Much much much much much much better luck next times!




Your question remains spurious in light of the fact that your legitimate evidence for ANY literal Supernatural god(s) remains a constant zero!

I agree however that your preferred Story book unambiguously states that it is incumbent upon wanna-be believers like YOU, that you provide the legitimate evidence to PROVE your cause -

1. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess. 5:21) KJV Story book

2. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry . {make...; or, fulfil} (2 Tim. 4:5) KJV Story book

You and those like you remain unambiguously defeated so get going asap with your proofs otherwise or else remain a liar and a self deluded fraud?

Much much much much much much better luck next times!




Your question remains spurious in light of the fact that your legitimate evidence for ANY literal Supernatural god(s) remains a constant zero!

I agree however that your preferred Story book unambiguously states that it is incumbent upon wanna-be believers like YOU, that you provide the legitimate evidence to PROVE your cause -

1. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess. 5:21) KJV Story book

2. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry . {make...; or, fulfil} (2 Tim. 4:5) KJV Story book

You and those like you remain unambiguously defeated so get going asap with your proofs otherwise or else remain a liar and a self deluded fraud?

Much much much much much much better luck next times!

Yet you can't say what rational evidence would meet your criteria to prove to you that God exist. So the truth of the matter is that you don't really know what you are asking for. That's all.

Composer: Nope! Both Story book quotes are the command to ' prove ' what you believe to others!

Even your preferred Story book tells you that are supposed to believe what it says, that you can't believe what your own heart - mind tells you -

Jer. 17:9, read it and weep for your failures some more!




By all means demonstrate legitimately with proofs that ANY acclaimed ' holy-text ' are the literal words of ANY Supernatural god(s) given to men?

I have proven they are not, simply and foremostly by the simple but profound fact that in my 50 years of asking, not a single shred of legitimate supportive evidence is available!




You continue to utter absolute rubbish & nonesense!

It says ' I WILL ' never ' YOUR corrupt version ' I MIGHT if X, Y, Z ' BS!

You know it doesn't work FOR YOU because you are a jebus fraud!

That fact is also easily testable using your own preferred Story book version should you ever grow a back-bone and wish to step forward and be tested accordingly by it?

I already know the outcome but I remain benevolent even to frauds like YOU!



Claims, Claims, Claims YOU SAID, well foolish YOU should be aware that CLAIMS are ALL legitimately UNSUBSTANTIATED! and ALL HEARSAY, you fool!




There is nothing legitimately illogical in what I said foolish boy!

It is fools like YOU that are illogical by embracing HEARSAY text as literally divinely sent!




Your Story book based drivel remains defeated as I correctly & successfully showed from the onset!

Embrace my benevolence you foolish boy & by all means have another chance to ' strut your various claims & god(s) ' by legitimately manifesting your credentials as a genuine Story book jebus believer; according to your preferred Story book version (whatever that is LOL!), THEN we'll talk more!

Until then you remain a fraud, jebus reject and fool!

"Nope! Both Story book quotes are the command to ' prove ' what you believe to others!",

Man!!!!! It got to be you came straight from out of a comic book. A story book can be true, not all are false. Paul in 1 Thess. 5:21 was tell his audience to go to the bible to prove for themselves if something is in harmony with the bible or not. If it is then it is true, if not then it is false, the very opposite of what you say it means. Stop pervert the bible writings. Yes, you don't believe it, but please stop misinterpreting it.


"Even your preferred Story book tells you that are supposed to believe what it says, that you can't believe what your own heart - mind tells you - Jer. 17:9, read it and weep for your failures some more!",

Jer. 17:9 is about the nonChristian heart, Ezekiel 36:24-32; Jeremiah 31:33-34; Ephesians 4:24, is about the true Christian's heart.


"By all means demonstrate legitimately with proofs that ANY acclaimed ' holy-text ' are the literal words of ANY Supernatural god(s) given to men?
I have proven they are not, simply and foremostly by the simple but profound fact that in my 50 years of asking, not a single shred of legitimate supportive evidence is available!",

I would seriously advise you to quickly take some class on logic. Lack of evidence is not evidence of anything, argument from silence proves nothing, see the article at http://www.conservapedia.com/Logical_fallacy#Argument_from_silence and go to the "Argument from silence" subsection and read it. If what you have been asking of me you have been asking of others as well on the issue of evidence, then its no wonder you haven't gotten any because what you are putting forth as evidence to convince you is totally irrational and illogical.
I have asked God and I have gotten the evidence so that proves that the bible is true. Why should you be the standard of what exist and don't?


"It says ' I WILL ' never ' YOUR corrupt version ' I MIGHT if X, Y, Z ' BS!",

He said and shows in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10, and Matthew 6:10 that if His saints ask Him anything within the confines of His will He will certainly grant it for sure. All of my prayers that were in the confines of His will He has granted them all. He said that the food is for the children and not for the dogs, Matthew 15:26. So if you have not been getting answers to your prayers it is because you are one of the dogs, and not a child of God.


"Claims, Claims, Claims YOU SAID, well foolish YOU should be aware that CLAIMS are ALL legitimately UNSUBSTANTIATED! and ALL HEARSAY, you fool!",

you could be the one who is lying, maybe God did appear to you and you are lying about it, saying He has not. So you claims can be the lies "ALL legitimately UNSUBSTANTIATED! and ALL HEARSAY".


"There is nothing legitimately illogical in what I said foolish boy!
It is fools like YOU that are illogical by embracing HEARSAY text as literally divinely sent!", you haven't proven them to be untrue. So you are the one who are full of claims that they are not true.
"Your Story book based drivel remains defeated as I correctly & successfully showed from the onset!
Embrace my benevolence you foolish boy & by all means have another chance to ' strut your various claims & god(s) ' by legitimately manifesting your credentials as a genuine Story book jebus believer; according to your preferred Story book version (whatever that is LOL!), THEN we'll talk more!
Until then you remain a fraud, jebus reject and fool!",

prove your nonsense to be true, which you haven't done as yet.


So my question still stands, exactly what rational or logical evidence or proof are you asking for to show or prove to you that the "words were given by ANY Supernatural god", that you would consistently and logically ask for to prove the existence of anything or anyone else, be they in the past or present? I must know what exactly you are asking for before I can provide it, and to see how rational or logical you are. I don't want to go on a wild goose chase.

For sure you will meet Him after you die (if Jesus don't come back before), and on Judgement Day as well.

Composer: Prove it!

1. [B] Prove all things; [/B] hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess. 5:21) KJV Story book

2. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, [B] make full proof of thy ministry. [/B] {make...; or, fulfil} (2 Tim. 4:5) KJV Story book


Story book text doesn't count for squat and that's ALL you have, squat = zero!




John 12:14-16 & 15:7 disagree with you!

You are what is known as a fraud & deceiver & doubter because e.g. -

If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it]. (John 14:12-14) KJV Story book.

YOU corrupt your own Story book text to read -

If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will MIGHT do[it].(LOL!)(John 14:12-14) KJV Story book.




Prove it!

1. [B]Prove all things;[/B] hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess. 5:21) KJV Story book

2. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, [B]make full proof of thy ministry. [/B] {make...; or, fulfil} (2 Tim. 4:5) KJV Story book


Story book text doesn't count for squat and that's ALL you have, squat = zero!




Incorrect!

Pay attention to -

Prove it!

1. [B] Prove all things; [/B] hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess. 5:21) KJV Story book

2. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, [B] make full proof of thy ministry. [/B] {make...; or, fulfil} (2 Tim. 4:5) KJV Story book

What YOU are inferring is that YOUR OWN Story book god can't even maintain the standards and requirements it sets for others! LOL!





YOU don't need to literally appear before me, your pathetic Posts & unsubstantiated claims demonstrate all I need to know, unambiguously proving you are a jebus doubter, disobedient fraud & total loser!




For sure you will meet Him after you die (if Jesus don't come back before), and on Judgement Day as well.

Prove it!

Story book text doesn't count for squat and that's ALL you have, squat = zero!




He only grants the prayers of His children if they are in accordance with His will, Matthew 6:10.

John 12:14-16 & 15:7 disagree with you!

But IF you really believe that then you also confirm your own preferred Story book flat out contradicts itself as you cherry-pick its content!

You are what is known as a fraud & deceiver & doubter because e.g. -

If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it]. (John 14:12-14) KJV Story book.

YOU corrupt your own Story book text to read -

If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will MIGHT do [it]. (LOL!)(John 14:12-14) KJV Story book.



When you do stand before (and you will) make sure you are a true Christian then or Hell will be your portion. If God choose not to show Himself to you in this life that proves nothing, just like you not appearing before me proves nothing, and others not appearing before you proves nothing as well. So you are not at all asking for something that is logical to prove the existence of something or someone.

So my question still stands, exactly what rational or logical evidence or proof are you asking for to show or prove to you that the "words were given by ANY Supernatural god", that you would consistently and logically ask for to prove the existence of anything or anyone else, be they in the past or present? I must know what exactly you are asking for before I can provide it, and to see how rational or logical you are. I don't want to go on a wild goose chase.

For sure you will meet Him after you die (if Jesus don't come back before), and on Judgement Day as well.

Prove it!

Story book text doesn't count for squat and that's ALL you have, squat = zero!




He only grants the prayers of His children if they are in accordance with His will, Matthew 6:10.

John 12:14-16 & 15:7 disagree with you!

You are what is known as a fraud & deceiver & doubter because e.g. -

[B]If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].[/B] (John 14:12-14) KJV Story book.

YOU corrupt your own Story book text to read -

If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will MIGHT do [it].(LOL!) (John 14:12-14) KJV Story book.

So my response remains vindicated whilst your claims remain proven illegitimate rubbish!

1 Thess. 5:21 Is about proving all things for one's self not for someone else. And I have already prove it for myself.

You said "Story book text doesn't count for squat and that's ALL you have, squat = zero!", prove it. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

John 12:14-16 & 15:7 is to be understood in context of if its being God's will then He will (not might) grant it, see 2 Corinthians 12:7-10, and Matthew 6:10.

You said "What YOU are inferring is that YOUR OWN Story book god can't even maintain the standards and requirements it sets for others! LOL!", prove it.

You said "YOU don't need to literally appear before me, your pathetic Posts & unsubstantiated claims demonstrate all I need to know, unambiguously proving you are a jebus doubter, disobedient fraud & total loser!", so why does God need to literally appear before you? Why the double standard?

If as you claim that there is no God unless He appear before you, then likewise there is a God because others claim that He appeared to them. Who made you the standard? Your own illogic can be used against you, fool.

So my question still stands, exactly what rational or logical evidence or proof are you asking for to show or prove to you that the "words were given by ANY Supernatural god", that you would consistently and logically ask for to prove the existence of anything or anyone else, be they in the past or present? I must know what exactly you are asking for before I can provide it, and to see how rational or logical you are. I don't want to go on a wild goose chase.

For sure you will meet Him after you die (if Jesus don't come back before), and on Judgement Day as well.

Composer: You can't provide the proofs yourself but IF you or any one else here is a genuine jebus believer and not just another BS artist making wild fallacious claims, then its simply a case of your invoking your jebus to ' keep its promise ' to ' do what any genuine believer asks of it to do!

e.g. Use John 14:12-14 & 15:7 to get it to convince me as only a divine, Omnipotent, Supernatural, all powerful, miracle working god knows how to convince me, and let me know when you asked it to do so?(Date, time) and I'll report back thereafter hopefully with the good news, when it has happened?

You can't do more than that yourself, only a Supernatural god can, other than perhaps you also asking your god " Specifically how long will it be to convince skeptical Composer? " and get some kind of a time frame that your Omnipotent god needs to do its amazing stuff for me after you asked? e.g. 1 second, 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 week, 10 years, just so I have a time-frame when its miraculous works will be done?

I can't wait for the outcome, but as always I'll be patient again, LOL!

For sure you will meet Him after you die (if Jesus don't come back before), and on Judgement Day as well. He only grants the prayers of His children if they are in accordance with His will, Matthew 6:10. When you do stand before (and you will) make sure you are a true Christian then or Hell will be your portion. If God choose not to show Himself to you in this life that proves nothing, just like you not appearing before me proves nothing, and others not appearing before you proves nothing as well. So you are not at all asking for something that is logical to prove the existence of something or someone.

So my question still stands, exactly what rational or logical evidence or proof are you asking for to show or prove to you that the "words were given by ANY Supernatural god", that you would consistently and logically ask for to prove the existence of anything or anyone else, be they in the past or present? I must know what exactly you are asking for before I can provide it, and to see how rational or logical you are. I don't want to go on a wild goose chase.