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zimdante:
There is only one God, his name is Jehovah , others are gods.

2 cor 4:4..satan is the god of this world na

zimdante:
There is only one God, his name is Jehovah , others are gods.

Mammon nko?

mogbeyiteren:
He is currently having a crusade in Sapele, Delta State and God is using him to do wonders here. The crowd is unimaginable.

I don't really like Pastor kind of churches but when I saw what God is using him to do, am baffled.

I saw God in him. Therefore am not missing out on today's event. Hope to give guys highlight of d event soon.

Which god? gods plenty ooh

Ilaumoh:
leave that one that is still on expired weed syndrome

Jobless youth.

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Mnn

Akwa Ibom is alway constructing one thing or the other.. But they never commission to use anything. Ilaumoh has been paid his 50k from aks propaganda machine.

2.4m

Gospel2Day:
I pity your ignorance.
What kind of God's presence came upon Mount Sinai?
Was that Presence always there before that day in that measure and concentration and activation?
You don't know God.
There is a Presence of God in a Born Again believer that is ABSENT from a sinner.

Lol.. We are making progress but yet you still take us back to the old covenant.
Mr man, God does not appear like he did under the old covenant. In the new covenant, God speaks to us through the holy spirit. U get it ba? That does not mean he is not everywhere at the same time.

You that know God, how come you are so ignorant of his scriptures, abi your God no fit teach you?

Gospel2Day:
Tell me WHY Jesus promised what they already had. Why did He promise His Presence, if it was already there?
I don't know your educational qualifications, but you don't appear to be dexterous in deductive reasoning.

Jesus was going to the cross. To assure them, he told them that he will be there with them when they gathered. He sent the holy spirit to them. Jesus was sent by God.but GOD his father IS EVERYWHERE.

All these things am teaching you free of charge.. Freely I received, freely you get. You can ask your GOs to also channel the questions

Gospel2Day:
Thank God you now know and agree that when Christians give for Minister's upkeep it is not Satan they're giving to.
What's your issue with tithes?
Who are you to tell willing believers to give less than what Jews gave?
Leave them to give whatever they want.
They have seen in the Bible what those who are and will be inferior to them gave to God.
How dare you ask or encourage them to give less?

U r still not getting the point. Even under the law, the levites were taken care of. In Christianity, there is no tithe because tithing is mandatory and attracts a curse if u fail to do it right.
In Christianity, it is freewill giving. They can give more, they can also give less.. There is freedom in christ. Nigerian pastors don't understand that tithing is not for Christians.they use tithing to force people to give them money thereby making it not freewill anymore. U get the point?

Gospel2Day:
Your ignorance is sickening.
So omnipresence is the same thing The Promise Jesus Himself made to be PRESENT in a special way whenever His disciples gather?
Why did He have to promise what they already had/have?
It is getting clearer that you have a reasoning challenge.
It is not normal for a Christian to think like you do.
The Holy Spirit hasn't done The Work of enlightenment in you.
Now, I understand your problem.
It is beyond your capacity to fix.
You need help.

OH, u have changed it now. Its present in a special way. OK.. Mammon is Satan.. Moving from one place to another like in the book of Job. Only present when his worshippers are gathered to give him money..

My God is present everywhere. Present in the present, present in the future, present in the past. Yahweh is everywhere at the same time.

Now you see, we worship different Gods.the problem is that u don't read in context. Just like a primary school boy.

So if u can gather your family in christ name, then why do u goto the shrine on Sundays?

Gospel2Day:
The COMMANDMENT of Jesus Christ to full time Gospel ministers is to draw salaries from contributions of believers

1Cor 9 (NKJV)
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¹³ Do you not know that those who minister the holy things eat of the things of the temple, and those who serve at the altar partake of the offerings of the altar?
¹⁴ Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel.

The Bible is exposing your hypocrisy and ignorance.

Nobody is arguing about Weda minister s of the gospel should not draw salaries from church. What we are saying is that, they cannot collect tithes. Get it straight. Shebi u went to school.
Even the guitarist, ushers, choriters all need to be paid. But u don't scam church members by telling to tithe. If they love the things of God,they will contribute any amount, anytime as they so wish.

U are getting clear now ba?

Gospel2Day:
So, you don't know that it was the standard practice for churches to cater for Paul's upkeep?
Very ignorant of you.

“I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you.”
— 2Cor 11:8 (NKJV)
Paul took wages, salaries from the contributions of believers.

Like I've said b4, u don't know or understand scriptures. Standard practice ke? Was Paul the only Saint that was always traveling? The believers came together, made contributions for the spread of the gospel for anyone sent out. It's only when Paul was in desperate need that he likened it to a sweet sacrifice pleasing to God. There is no where when the believers contributed because they want to be blessed or that they are giving to God or that the devourer should be rebuked. It's getting clear ba?

This contributions were gifts, he drew salaries. No one paid tithe to him. He wasn't a levite neither was he thier melchizedek..
U are understanding now ba.
There gave gifts of love. Cheerful giving.. The Christian way

Gospel2Day:
Phil 4 (NKJV)
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¹⁵ Now you Philippians know also that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church shared with me concerning giving and receiving but you only.
¹⁶ For even in Thessalonica you sent aid once and again for my necessities.
¹⁷ Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account.
¹⁸ Indeed I have all and abound. I am full, having received from Epaphroditus the things sent from you, a sweet-smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well pleasing to God.
¹⁹ And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Can you see in Verse 18 that what Philippians Christians sent to Paul was called "an acceptable sacrifice, well pleasing to God."?

I knew u would quote this... Lol..
At this point, Paul was in need... The church sent aid to him. When he received enough, he told them to stop. Did u not read where I said earlier that if u give to church and it is used to cater for the needy or poor ones that yes it is to God? Lol. U failed again.. Now, the puzzle is becoming clear to u. So at what point do your needy(very rich) pastors have enough and say u should stop giving? Answer

Gospel2Day:
So, according to you the quote above invalidates and makes Jesus a liar when He said "Where two or three are gathered in My Name I Am in the midst of them."?
Does that not tell you that wherever and whenever believers gather Jesus is PRESENT?
It is NOT the building, it is the gathering that activates the Presence of Jesus.

Lol.. Ur ignorance is legendary. Are u saying that God is only present where 2 or 3 are gathered.. Lol

You underestimate God. God is omnipresent.. He is everywhere at the same time. He is inside a mosque, a shrine, inside ur toilet, inside brothel inside everywhere. U guys just take scriptures and interprete it like primary school children.. Lol

Gospel2Day:
You have been exposed for the hypocrite that you're.
The only time one gives to God is when one gives to the poor.
But when one gives to support Gospel work and Gospel workers and mission workers in far away lands it is Satan such person gives to and not God.
You have a reasoning problem.
It is very glaring.
You need help.

I challenge you today to show me scriptures that says giving to support gospel workers is giving to God. And that u can make heaven by it or you can be blessed by it. Ur time starts now..

If u can show me this one thing I ask of.. Infact ehn

Gospel2Day:
To an hypocrite, Jesus only commended a widow giving her ALL under the Law.
The same Jesus now will condemn and send to Hell any Christians who give their ALL to God anywhere two or three are gathered in His Name, where He promised to be PRESENT in their midst.
Sorry, my Jesus Is not as confused and fickle as the false Antichrist that dwells in you and inspires your dirty and derogatory words.

Acts 17:24

24 “The God who made the world and everything in it(AM) is the Lord of heaven and earth(AN) and does not live in temples built by human hands.(AO) 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.

U see am?

Gospel2Day:
To an hypocrite, Jesus only commended a widow giving her ALL under the Law.
The same Jesus now will condemn and send to Hell any Christians who give their ALL to God anywhere two or three are gathered in His Name, where He promised to be PRESENT in their midst.
Sorry, my Jesus Is not as confused and fickle as the false Antichrist that dwells in you and inspires your dirty and derogatory words.

Guy use small brain na. That was a Jewish temple not Christ's church. Another religion, Judaism. Jesus commended the woman for giving her all under thier religion. Same way Jesus did not condemn the Jewish practice of tithing under the law. How does that relate to Christianity? Under Judaism, giving to the temple was giving to God. In Christianity, giving to God is giving to the poor.if u give your all to the poor, its equivalent to what the woman did under the Jewish temple. The Christian temple is a spiritual one not physical one. If u give to the poor, u spiritually give to God. I like how we are going, soon the scales will fall off.

Acts 17:24

24 “The God who made the world and everything in it(AM) is the Lord of heaven and earth(AN) and does not live in temples built by human hands.(AO) 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.

U see am?

Gospel2Day:
Hypocrisy pro max.
He avoided the Commendation of Jesus and jumped to the Destruction of the same Temple which Jesus Himself visited and taught in.

The woman gave to a Jewish temple which was later destroyed. You don't have to give your last physical money to the new temple which is a spiritual one not a physical one. Mr spiritual... U see how spiritually bankrupt u are.. Even this one, ur G.O no sabi this one.. They see money in everything. If scriptures say.. Give and it shall be given unto thee.. Immediately.. Give means give money.. Mammon worshipers.. Hahahahh

Gospel2Day:
You only want to imitate Jesus flogging people.
Why don't you imitate the widow who gave all her cash, whom Jesus commended?
A woman gave her last penny to a corrupt religious organization.
Jesus didn't call her "empty skull", rather He commended her.
Do you think Jesus will commend you for not giving your all to churches you call shrines of Satan?
Your hypocrisy is exposed now for all to see.
You only choose what suits you in the Bible, but you vehemently resent those who imitate the widow that Jesus commended.
May God have mercy on your hypocritical soul.

The problem with u guys is that u don't read to understand. U read scriptures in isolation especially to support ur fraudulent motives.
Note, Jesus was still under the law at this moment.

If u read further to mark 13:2,you will see that Jesus as he was leaving, told the disciples that, that same temple will be destroyed.. Meaning that any temple that takes the last of a poor widow will be destroyed... Mr spirituality.. U nor see am ba.... Lol


You think the core message is that of the money the woman gave but u can't see that the temple came falling thereafter. Once u base ur faith on money, you lose sight of christ main message.

Another scripture is the woman at the well that had many husbands.. .. U guys read that passage but cannot see the real message in that passage. I pray your eyes open so u can see the light. Shalom

Gospel2Day:
That's how you're raised, to flog those older than you?
I see where you are coming from.
Good day.

Just the way christ flogged the money changer people outta the temple. I will do like christ for you to have sense.. Or u think he only flogged those younger than him?

Gospel2Day:
If you want to see a Mammon Worshipper, enslaved to money look in your mirror.
I'm feeling defiled discussing with you because of the dirty and derogatory words gushing out of you.
It seems to me that you have nothing pure in your heart and it is an infectious thing.
Get to argue with your kind.
I respect you, though you have no atom of respect for others.
Be well soonest.

If I had a cane, I won't mind flogging sense into you and your dimwit pastors. The blessings of yahweh is not bought with money. Tithing is a sin, attracts a curse and was meant for jews, not Christians saved by God through christ. I'm bitter bro. I wish I could cane you so u don't miss heaven.

Gospel2Day:
Well done, Mr. Researcher.
Fishermen among the disciples of Jesus didn't do any research. They simply left all and followed Jesus
They're now in heaven.
You that cannot leave 10% what has your research done in your life?
Early Christians were selling off their property and possessions and bringing everything to the Apostles.
What has your research made you leave and sell for charity and Gospel expansion?
Continue to do your research. Let me continue to give BOUNTIFULLY to God.
On the Last Day, we shall see who will receive Divine Commendation and who will receive Divine Condemnation.
Bye.
Shalom.

You always link everything to money. You must be a slave to money.. No wonder u think you can bribe God with your filthy money.you mammon worshipers will have your day on the judgment day.

The same Bible still said you should worship God in spirit and in truth.. How do u know the truth? You are brainwashed to think Nigerian version of Christianity is actually the real deal... Lol.. If u like don't research and seek the truth.. I'm sure u don't even know the difference BTW scriptures and the Bible..... Narrow is the way bro. Or you think that it's people in your 100,000 seater shrines that will make heaven.. I laugh.. I pray may your eyes be opened.

Early Christians were selling of thier properties to give the apostles to do what? You can't answer because your fraudster pastor don't want you to know that the money was shared across to everyone who had need. Imagine if your church could copy the early Christians, u guys won't be so poor. No wonder we are the poverty Capital of the world.. But yet.. U fool urself cabashing rubbish.im sure u don't even have 500k in your account but yet u tithe 10% to a thief.

Toks?

Gospel2Day:
I will repeat myself for the sake of your salvation.
Bow the knee at the foot of the Cross and receive the experience of genuine salvation.
If you get it, I will know.
Your words reveal your heart and spiritual condition.
They're not Christ-like at all.
Shalom.

Stop fooling yourself with rhetoric. I'm sure you haven't met christ. You don't know him.You give your life to Satan thinking it's God, u speak fake baldadash tongues,u suffer from acute religious disorder, attend your shrines on Sunday, dance and praise Satan, give him your money etc..
If I told you that christ was not hung on the cross but on a tree, you will be disoriented because u don't do research and lack the spirit of truth.. Only.. My pastor said.. .. Lol.. Ignorance pro max.

Gospel2Day:
Except an individual is born again, they cannot see (understand) or enter the kingdom of God.
We shall resume our discussion, when I can confirm that you are born again.

Lol. If I ask you what it means to be born again now.. Ul just repeat what ur pastor told you. How can you claim to be born again yet you go back and put yourself under the curse of tithing.. Lol. Ignorance pro max

Gospel2Day
You need deliverance from your ignorance. Oneday you will remember my post but shame will not allow you to say I've been right all along. But like I said, I don't blame you totally, uve been brainwashed to think you are in the light but meanwhile the light u think u have is actually darkness.
All the scriptural fact I layed bare here, u cannot answer or give superior scriptures to back it up, like ur pastors instead of using scriptures, u resort to sentimental bullshit.. Like oh, he is insulting, oh he needs the holy spirit, oh he is not born again etc common scriptures you cannot understand.
The real jews in isreal whom tithing was meant for donot tithe anymore but a deranged set of Nigerians in black Africa(poverty capital) is tithing to a gang of thieves pretending to be God's middle men. What a shame. Tueh!

Gospel2Day:
Tithing will not take anyone to Hell.
Giving 10% of my monthly income to God and paying offerings and giving charity are NOT sins that take people to Hell.
You should rather bother about your lack of manners and meekness.
You do not exhibit the fruit (proofs) of someone who is spiritual. It is so very obvious.
Your heart and tongue need to be sanctified.
That's my worry about you.
I repeat: humble yourself and bow at the foot of the Cross. Get saved.
Devil too knows and even quotes Scriptures to Jesus.
But still he is neither saved nor pro-God/Gospel.
Think about it.
Shalom.

That's the problem about guys like you,self righteous but very ignorant set of people. Common scripture u guys don't understand. Every other person is a sinner if they don't conform to what u think are the fruits of your spirit.

That the devil knows scriptures is no point. When christ was tempted by Satan, christ quoted superior scripture to back his position. Scripturally, u r bankrupt.

The question is.. Can u actually give God exactly 10% of your income? It's impossible. Unpracticable yet u attempt it to seek ur fake justification. That's the reason christ came, u cannot justify yourself with the old law or some cock and bull prelaw bullshit.. You sound more like the pharisee in the story christ gave stating how the pharisee said he always made sure to give his tithe, and that he was not like the sinful tax collector... What lesson did you learn from that passage in scripture?
Nothing, u just swallow the rubbish taught by ur ignorant pastors who were taught by equally ignorant GOs feeding fat on your ignorance.. No wonder they appear on Forbes, sleep with your wives and daughters whilst u wallow in penury. Receive sense son!

Nb. U cannot give God money that's why he asked u to give to the poor. He doesn't need it. He created everything.it's an insult to give God money.
It's ur pastors that need it for thier moneygod.. Mammon.. Again receive sense ijn

Gospel2Day:
I keep waiting to see the fruit of the Spirit in your words, but you keep exuding and exposing, as usual and habitual of you, an unregenerated, un-sanctified heart.
You don't know my age, but you keep hurling and heaping insults on me.
It is well. Thanks. I hold no grudge.
I repeat: visit the foot of the Cross.
You need it.
You don't sound as someone truly born of the Spirit and of a broken and sanctified heart.
You lack respect and meekness.
I now understand why Paul said that "knowledge puffs up, but love edifies."

You that is born again and exhibiting the fruit of the spirit, how come u are so ignorant? Or is it that the (dirty) spirit in you cannot interpret the scriptures to you? Jesus went into the temple to flogg ur kind. He even cursed the pharisees for leading his children astray.. Matt 23..he did not have the fruit of the spirit?

See, I have no. Problem with u as a person. But the lies propagated by your pastors. Now you too will take Gods children to hell with you. I have done my part to help you but your heart remains hardened against the true word of God. Christ gave You freedom my dear, don't go back and put yourself under the curse of the law or whatever guise ur pastor tells u. Religion says do, christ says.. Done

Gospel2Day:
The more you insist to know, the more you expose your ignorance.
It is obvious you don't know or understand The Principle of First Mention in Biblical Interpretation.
Check your Bible again and you will see that Tithing was in practice before God established the Nation of Israel and gave Moses the Law at Sinai.
Tithing did not come with the Law . The fulfilment of the Law by Jesus did not invalidate it.
During Pre-Law times, it was given both by Abraham and Jacob freely by conviction, and NOT by commandment or compulsion.
I can see you emboldened and emphasized THE LAW.
Sorry, you're very ignorant. Tithing is not a baby of the Law.
Levi, the progenitor of Aaronic Priests who took tithes under the Law figuratively PAID TITHES THROUGH ABRAHAM to the superior Priestly Order of Melchizedek.
The very Priestly Order presently operating in the Church Age or Christian Era.
The Priesthood of Christ receives tithes from humans BY CONVICTION AND NOT BY COMMANDMENT OR COMPULSION.
If Paul said Levites paid tithes to Melchizedek, how wise of you to claim and very proudly too that Tithing is exclusively paid under the Law?
How can people under the Era of Grace, to whom much more has been given GIVE LESS than Jews who operated under an inferior Covenan
Check your Bible again, you will see The Principle of Proportionality stated by Jesus Himself, when He said "To whom much more is given, much more is expected." EXPECTED, not COMMANDED. EXPECTATION from COMMITMENT AND CONVICTION.
Can you apply that to Tithing?
Does that Principle suggest that Christians may have to give more than tithes to further the gospel and to do charity deeds?
Actually, tithing should be THE LEAST expected of Christians, by way of giving.
Remember, the God Abraham paid tithes to he called "the Possessor of heaven and the earth", the very same thing Melchizedek said "Blessed be the God of Abram, the Possessor of heaven and earth."
Can you see where the CONVICTION that spurred Abraham to tithe came from?
Can you be THE OWNER of a sum of money and the human caretaker you put in charge of your money is arguing about giving you A Tenth of what is your own possession?
There is much I would like to teach you but you are too full of yourself to learn.
You claim to be a Christian, but you called me "empty skull".
It's alright. I understand.
It is impossible to act like one is a Christian when they're really not by experience.
Even in Bible Schools, there are professors of Theology who are not Born Again yet.
So, I hold no grudge.
I only pray you humble yourself, take a bow at the foot of the Cross and ask for the experience of genuine regeneration.
God bless you.
Shalom.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read.. Such a lengthy piece of rubbish.anyways, I thought like u b4.
That I said ur brain is empty as a fact is not an insult.

Tithing was not commanded before the law. Fraudulent pastors seem to claim that since Abraham(Abram) gave tithes(once) to melchizedek it means we can tithe as grace.. Lol. Or that since Jacob vowed to tithe, that means tithe was in practice b4 the law.. Lol.. Another scam.many things were in practice b4 the law, why choose the one that means more money to the thieves? Tithe was never money anyways.

U keep shooting ur self in the foot. U claim christ said Christians should tithe.. I showed you that the tithe christ talked about was the law of moses type(Matt 23:23)
You now changed pattern claiming that tithe is prelaw and Christians should do the type Abraham did...howbeit only once Hahahajajajajj.. Lwkmd.. Ignorance at its best.
Now that I will show u how stupid it is to tithe as Abraham did. What will u now say?

Read the Bible for your self. U gain nothing from tithing. The person that gains from tithing is your pastor so he will twist and twist so that u must pay.

1.Abram gave tithes to melchizedek before he became Abraham.(mnn.. Think)
2.Abraham did it only once after he fought a war. (who told u to do it Monthly.. Ur guess is as good as mine)
3.Abraham received bread and wine before he gave melchizedek the honorarium.
4.Abraham gave from spoils of war and not from his own wealth(u fools don't goto war right? and yet u pay from ur salary.. Laughable)
5.Abraham gave back 90% to the owner of the loot.. King of Sodom.(why don't u return back 90% to ur employer.. Lol.
6.Abraham gave tithes to melchizedek who had no beginning and end. (your pastors were not born? , won't they die?. Who told the to receive tithes?)
7.Only christ is in the order of melchizedek. (Christ did not even qualify to receive levitical tithes here on earth neither did he receive any tithes. when he left, he never appointed ur fraudsters to collect on his behalf. They appointed themselves melchizedek, after they could not defend being levites.. Lol

U can see that as a Christian, it is impossible to give or receive tithes under Abraham(prelaw) neither can u under the law of Moses.

Tithing in Christianity is a sin against the holy spirit, an insult to the freedom and finished work of christ.

Now lemme ask you, what is the essence of What Paul wrote in hebrews 7?im sure u don't know.

You copied the rubbish u wrote up there maybe from your pastors pamphlet.. Lol


Now, giving in Christianity is freewill. 100%,5%..as u like. Christ paid it all on the cross. We Christians are now free. We don't give to be blessed neither do we give to rebuke the devourer.. We give in love which is the message of christ.any pastor manipulating you to give more that 10% claiming that since the jew do 10%,u should do more, is a big thief.
You should repent boy!

Gospel2Day:
According to your error, the teaching of Jesus to turn the other cheek when slapped does not apply to and is not binding on Christians, since He taught it before He died and rose from the dead.
So your kind of Christians should slap back whoever slaps them first.
Also, the teaching of Jesus to forgive others 70 times 7 times is not binding on Christians because such teaching is not in Acts to Revelation, abi?
The reason I pity you more is because of the prideful confidence you have in your ignorance.
May you find help soonest.

I don't have time to teach you.lemme just try.. But I don't expect u to understand. Uve been brainwashed thoroughly and maybe u have limited education.
Christ came to usher in the new way. His assertions were at variance to what the pharisees knew. He kept on telling the jews but they couldn't understand. Jesus was still under the law.
Matt 23:23
23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth(A) of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness.(B) You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Observe the bolded word.
Get this straight into your empty skull. When he rebuked the pharisees for giving tithes and thus neglecting to do what is more important in thier law, he was referring to thier Judaism practice.that, even in thier Judaism they are to do all but can't they understand that justice, mercy and faith are more important?

When reading scripture, observe who is speaking, who is spoken to and for what purpose the statement is made. I never inferred that anything christ said before his death is not Christian.Use ur head. What was in place then was the law of Moses, which he came to fulfill (complete) and to show a new way.
Turning the other cheek and forgiveness were not in practice under the law, the law said an eye for an eye. Tithing was under the old law and christ mocked the teachers of the law for not emphasing what's more important in thier law. They were not supposed to go against thier own laws(Moses) which was imperfect and difficult to keep until he, christ fulfilled it. Christ fulfilled the law of tithing.

Now, who is ignorant? My boy, ignorance is not a crime. Own up and be saved. That's the only way u can learn.forget ur dumb pastor, they only know how to collect ur money and sleep with ur wives.. Lol