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Ken4Christ:
Your comments reveals your personality. You are an anti Christ. You don't mean good for the church.

When Jesus wanted to have his last supper, he requested for a good hall and it was given him. He did not go under a tree to eat with his disciples.

When he wanted to ride a donkey, he requested for the one no one has ever ride. He does not ride on tokunbo.

The streets of heaven are made of gold. God goes for the best. And he says his will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

People like you will prefer pastors to dress in rags while cultists put on good cloths.

It shall never be well with the person who brainwashed you to have this kind of evil mindset.

I will be stupendously rich. You can go and hug transformer. God punish Satan.

Lol.. You talk like a child.. Lol..

How many times did Jesus ride a donkey?was the donkey his regular means of transportation? Did Jesus or his disciples own chariots and horses? How many times did he use the upper room? Or are u having your last super? Did he own the donkey.?was Jesus and his disciples rich?christ should have helped Peter open a fish company with him as chairman of the board.. Lol. Did they live in palaces and mansions? Lol.. You don't want to be like Jesus or his disciples. You want what your father, the devil provides for his children.Riches, worldly power and glory etc

They have changed the polarity for you.. Jesus=riches, whilst devil=poverty.. Hahaha
The same devil that tempted Jesus with worldly riches and Jesus rejected.

Luke 9:58

Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

You don't want to be like John the Baptist, wearing rags and eating termites, you don't want to be like Jesus, walking from place to place and preaching the good news, you don't want to be like Paul.. Broke atimes, beaten and imprisoned for the sake of the gospel.. You want to be like the old testament kings and persons.. Solomon, David, Isaac, Abraham etc
You want to be like the chief priest ciaphas that plotted to kill Jesus, he was rich and lived in a palace.. What a pity!

Like I said, if u want to stupendously rich,work hard or invent something. If you cannot.. Then do rituals. But if you lie and collect peoples money in the name of a heretic gospel, God will punish you and your generations even unborn

YOU ARE ANGRY, HOW CAN THERE BE NO MONEY FOR YOU IN CHRIST?
YOUR FATHER, SATAN, HAS BLINDED YOU FROM THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL. REPENT B4 IT IS TOO LATE

2 cor 4:4
SATAN, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

Ken4Christ:
You are dull of understanding. Please, go for deliverance. My God owns the silver and gold. And his word says that I am an heir of his kingdom. All that he has are mine.

May poverty slap you and your generation since you don't want to prosper.

1 timothy 6:5

and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth(I) and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain


You are shocked. U can fathom following a God that will not give you money. That's why I said, it will be hard for you to repent. Your God is mammon.

Ken4Christ:
You said money was not mentioned in the parable of the sheep and goat. But it is implied. How do you feed the hungry if you don't even have enough to feed yourself? It still boils down to money. How do you cloth someone who is naked if you don't have money to buy clothes for him or her? How do you visit someone in prison or in the hospital if you don't have money to even pay for your transport fare to go there?

Money is good. It is good to have money. The scripture never condemned money. It only condemned the love of it.

Concerning the church, there is no meeting place that is cheap. Even if it's in a home, it's not cheap. The church needs a physical building because most homes are not large enough to accommodate the numbers of worshippers. And the number keeps increasing placing demand on the need for a bigger venue of meeting. So, it boils down to money.

You are so corrupted that it's only money that can enable you do anything. You God is money. The pentecostal churches actually worship money. You need money to show love to people.. How sad? All the non money explanations I did.. U jumped it over. U even need money to be a kind person.. What a shame.

Concerning the church, u say there is no meeting place that is cheap. Lemme ask u? Is an open football field expensive? Under a tree nko? Primary schools nko?online nko? U just look for excuses to worship your God, MONEY.

Ken4Christ:
I agree with you that Apostle Paul was referring to the poor. But specifically, he was referring to the poor Saints in Jerusalem who brought the gospel to them. He was encouraging the church in Corinth to make good their pladges to these saints.

Apostle Paul had written a first letter to them instructing them on how to give their contributions weekly for these ministers of the gospel. It is what is called prophetic offering or seed today. It was practiced in the early church.

Hear what Paul had instructed them in his first letter;

1st Corinthians 16:1-3
1 Now concerning the COLLECTION FOR THE SAINTS, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, AS GOD HATH PROSPERED HIM, that there be no gatherings when I come.

3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to BRING YOUR LIBERALITY UNTO JERUSALEM

Notice, Apostle said they should give as God has prospered them. You see the emphasis on prosperity again here. And he said that it is God who prospers them.

In verse one, he said he gave the same order to the church in Galatia. And in his letter to them, he wrote;

Galatians 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word COMMUNICATE UNTO HIM THAT TEACHETH IN ALL GOOD THINGS.

In other words, members who receive instructions from their spiritual teachers should learn to give back to them in all good things. And it didn't exclude money because money is good.

Apostle Paul in his letter to the church in Rome wrote:

Romans 15:25-27
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For IF THE GENTILES HAVE BEEN MADE PARTAKERS OF THEIR SPIRITUAL THINGS, THEIR DUTY IS ALSO TO MINISTER UNTO THEM IN CARNAL THINGS.

The passage above affirms my submission that the poor saints Paul was referring to in his letter to the church in Corinth were the ministers of the gospel.

And he is telling the churches that it is their duty to give back to them in carnal things. Carnal things includes money also.

Even our Lord Jesus established this same principle when he sent out his disciples to preach. He told them;

Matthew 10:9-10
9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: FOR THE WORKMAN IS WORTHY OF HIS MEAT.

In other words, he is telling them that their needs will be met by those they minister to. God will ensure that their labour will not be in vain.

So, God wants us to support the poor. He also wants us to support his servants doing the work of ministry. And we can't do that if he doesn't prosper us.

I will be so rich that I will pay Pastors salary who are not even under my ministry. I will give some of them free houses to live in. I will off course minister to the poor amongst us. And I can't do it if I don't have money. But the money will come in the mighty name of Jesus. Not even the devil can stop it.

I'm getting tired of explaining things to you. Lemme make it short.
1.who told you tht contributions done to the early church(not pastors) is prophetic offering or seed? Lol.. These Pastors ehn.. God will judge them. Lol. Read Niv for better understanding. Paul encouraged the church to contribute and elect messengers to take the gift(note the word gift) to the church or the lords people in Jerusalem. (note:the lords people are the members of a church.. Not the pastor)
2.You see why the KJV is a heretic Bible? It is politically construed to suit a certain narrative.. Now read 1 cor 16:1-3 in Nlt or Niv and show me where Paul used the word "As God Prospereth". Paul never said that.. It's ur mistranslated KJV by our colonial masters that did. Now I see where your confusion is coming from. That's why it's advisable to read scriptures in its original language and not heretic translations like the KJV.
3.Gal 6:6.a brethren comes to my town to preach, am I not to accommodate, feed him and give him transport back?if someone came to do a free training on data science where I live, can't we guarantee his accommodation, feeding and transport expenses? It's logical. Stop twisting it to mean that they must be paid. Being a pastor is not a job.besides if u read Nlt or Niv.. The word share is used.. Not pay.
4.read Romans 15:27 in Niv, you will see the definitive word.. SHARE... Not give.paul is simply saying that if a brethren share spiritual knowledge with you that it makes sense to aslo share your material things with him.. I mean.. Why not? In Christianity, we share.. Not like u have to pay. Is there any blessings attached to it.. NO. Will u make heaven by it, NO(unless they are poor and needy)
5.Romans 15:25-27 read in nlt or Niv for understanding. The poor saints are not the Ministers of the gospel(pastor) but the poor church members that evangelized to the gentiles in the early church.read again. Dump KJV.
6.matt 10:9-10.offcourse,when going on evangelism, what they give you, you collect... Thats what christ is saying... Not that they must give you(are u a thief?) you need to understand that thier labor being in vain is that they will not make the kingdom of God and not tht they will not make money.. Like I said, you will need to be delivered of this your money perspective toward the gospel.
Are u saying that since you aren't rich that you cannot help the poor?
That you want to be rich is not bad. Just work for it or invent something like Mark Zuckerberg, Elon musk etc and don't deceive people to give it to you like your pastors(oyedepo, adeboye, oyakilome and Co) are doing. Now if God doesn't want you to be rich nko? I mean the yahweh.. Not the moneygod mammon. mammon will always want you to be rich, so that you can follow him to the lake of fire.

Ken4Christ:
How do you give to the needy when you do not have. It boils down to prosperity. If someone who is poor has an urgent need and calls you for help, you can only assist when you have. So, you have to prosper for you to give.

Yes the church is a spiritual body but it does need a physical building to function. And that building has to be rented or built. If rent expires and the church does not have money to renew, they will definitely be given a quit notice. But if we have wealthy brethren who are willing to give, it won't happen.

It is the will of God for us to prosper both as individual and as a church. Hence John wrote;

3rd John 2 Beloved, I wish above all things that THOU MAYEST PROSPER and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth

Your theology is upside down. But I don't blame you. U belong to the majority whilst narrow is the way.
If you read Matthew 25:31-46.money is not mentioned. They mentioned you gave me drink, took me in, gave me something to eat, clothed and looked after me, visited me in prison etc
You don't necessarily need money to show love. Common Words of encouragement can lift a person's spirit. You can even reach out to people that can donate for a person's well being.you can be kind to them.you can sit and chat them up, You can help them carry thier stuff etc
But it's only money that ur mind goes to.
If u read psalm 42:1
It says
Blessed are those who are kind/considereth/have regard for the poor,
the Lord shall deliver them in times of trouble.

You can see again that money is not mentioned. Instead that you should consider the poor.. Help them get justice, let them withdraw first,consider them....

The physical church building is not important. It is the same reason Stephen was stoned to death, when he told the jews that God does not live in temples built by human hands. Read acts 7:48.
The church is a spiritual one. You can meet with the brethren at any place. You think it's by building big cathedrals? but the real church(the people) are hungry. Why put rent burden on poor church members. The church does not have to meet at a specific place.the place of meeting is not important. Infact, Now it is easier, you can meet online.
We are the temple of God and christ is the corner stone.

How is John's mere wish what God wants? God is more concerned about the after life. Your soul.
Paul had a thorn in his flesh and God did not heal him for a reason. Maybe to stop him from being proud. The apostles were hungry atimes, were beaten, God did not intervene.. Even when they were killed. God can decide to make you not to be rich especially if you don't have self control so that you don't miss his kingdom. Same thing with your health.

You need to repent from your false teachings

Ken4Christ:
I quite agree that the focus of Jesus was giving to the poor. He could not have talked about ministry at that time because the church ministry was yet to start. In any case, there are ministries who also take care of the poor.

What we should emphasize therefore is that ministries remember to have plans for the poor brethren in their midst and not to play down on the need for them to have money.

And Jesus will definitely want his church to move forward and money has a role to play in propagating the gospel.

The problem you are still having is thinking that the church is a physical one.you are just twisting scriptures to fit your narrative. When christ himself has told you that he will separate the sheep from the goats and the only criteria used will be those who gave to the needy....
Giving to the needy for you must be money Because corrupt minds who always think of finance and will distort facts to please thier master.. Satan. Imagine the heresy that christ emphasizes on money as you put it.. Blasphemous and heretic

Ken4Christ:
But he became poor to make us rich. As it is written;

2nd Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, THAT YE THROUGH HIS POVERTY MIGHT BE RICH.

The way you condemn money as though if you have a legitimate way to make more money, you will not jump at it. Money is good. What we should be discussing is the proper way to manage it.

If the church has more than enough, it can do things that will advance the course of the gospel and even help the poor brethren in their midst.

The fact that people died for preaching the gospel doesn't mean everybody must die that way. If we all die that way, who will do the work of the ministry?

I personally condemn how so many ministers who are wealthy today neglect the poor. But there are some who remember the poor.

It is my earnest desire and prayer that the church will constantly have plans for the poor brethren amongst them.

2nd cor 8:9..people with corrupt minds that think of nothing but riches use these verse to justify thier greed.
Read in context. Start from 2 cor 8:1(nlt) Paul talks about being rich in the act of generosity. He hammered on giving to the needy ones to share equally.
U pick one line from Paul to justify your greed. Without looking at the context.you skip the raw fact that the disciples and apostles were not rich.. Ur brain refuses to see that one... So u goto Abraham and Solomon to justify your satanic greed for riches

Christ did not promise prosperity and riches to anyone. No.. Not At all.
Do you know who promised prosperity and riches in the NT? Satan. When he tempted Christ in the wilderness.

NOW, LEMME EDUCATE YOU.
CHRISTIANITY PREACHES CONTENTMENT AND SHARING EQUALLY TO ALL THE NEEDY BRETHREN. IT'S ONLY SATAN THAT PROMISES YOU RICHES IF YOU FOLLOW HIM.

YOU THINK THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL IS OF CHRIST? LOL... OVER SATAN DEY WORRY UNA

Ken4Christ:
How does the defending the fact that we ought to be rich become darkness? God made Abraham rich. He prospered Isaac. The children of Israel were fruitful. King Solomon gathered gold like dust. So, why should it be different for us?

God is not planning to make us rich. He already did. In his mind, he has given us all that we need for life.

All we need is to discover kingdom principles to make wealth. And it is only a wealthy man that can help the poor.

I will be so rich such that I will empower millions of people who are poor. And God will be glorified by it.

Don't you want to have more than you currently have? Do you enjoy poverty? How do you feel when someone comes to you to ask for help and you are unable to help?

People like you who think nothing more.. Just money, will interprete every scripture to match what your God of money(mammon) prefers.
Question 1.was Abraham, Isaac and Solomon, Christians?
Question 2..are u a king like Solomon? Shebi there was 1 Solomon in Isreal and not all Christians.. Lol

Why not say.. God prospered Peter, James, John and they gathered gold like dust, rode chariots and had several companies in thier name.

U see the problem with u guys? Cherry picking. When u want to talk about wealth, u leave Christian scripture and go to old testament to justify it. When u want to talk about being born again, u pick from the new testament... Lol

If in 2022 people like u believe in antiquated kingdom principles of wealth, then its a shame. No wonder we are the poverty capital of the world. How many kingdom principled persons are in the first 100 richest people in the world? Tell me.
With all your kingdom principles,you remain poor whilst your pulpit bandits make Forbes list... Hahahahah.. When will we have sense in this country?
Everyone in Nigeria is a criminal, if u have rich people in your church, all are from criminal activities.. Bribery, corruption etc... Not any stupid kingdom principles. Or who are doing the stealing in government.. Moslems?

Ken4Christ:
It was not an advice. It was an instruction. And he says that brethren who are in the habit of abstaining from church meetings are committing willful sin. He further went to emphasize that such attitude will not go unpunished. Read the entire passage very well;

Hebrews 10:25-31
25 NOT FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 FOR IF WE SIN WILFULLY after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 BUT A CERTAIN FEARFUL LOOKING FOR OF JUDGMENT and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much SCORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

From the passage above, those who habitually abstain from church meetings will be judged. And their judgment will be more severe than those under the law who despised Moses.

Fear God and live by his word. Every instruction contained in the New Testament should be followed by those who profess to know God. It is this same word that God will use to judge us on the day of reckoning.

Just as Apostle Paul wrote;

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL.

You see why I say people should read the Bible in Niv or Nlt. King James which is mostly erroneous writes its English in a way that it's hard to understand. Or maybe u just lack understanding. The Bible should be read in context. U carry one line from hebrews 10:26 to mean he is talking about Hebrews 10:25.lol
Read from Hebrews 10:1-36 (Nlt) to get the context of the message. Paul recounted how priests had to do sacrifice upon sacrifice to cleanse thier sins. But that now, we have a high priest that shed his blood once for our sins.
He advised about doing good works and shunning sin. There is no way he said forsaking the gathering of the brethren is sinful. He emphasized on the sinning he spoke earlier.
The thing is, most of your pastors are not soundly educated that's why they teach you scriptures upside down. No where he said those abstaining from gathering will be judged.read again from Hebrew 10:1 to get the context of sinning.. You speak heresies bro. You've been brainwashed

Ken4Christ:
Our Lord Jesus emphasized money. This is why he told a young rich ruler to sell all he had and give to the poor. He didn't ask him to give away his goods the way they were. He said, sell and give.

He also said it to all in Luke 12:33. He said, sell what you have and give alms.

Money has more value than materials or items. So, he wants us to give something of value.

Guy, the way u twist scriptures to say what they do not say is scary.
. How come christ did not tell him to sell all his wealth and give the money to the church?or to him?.

This your quote is straight from the devil..

"Money has more value than materials or items. So, he wants us to give something of value".

Can you imagine? Do you know that some items aren't transferable but money is? CHRIST NEVER EMPHASIZED ON MONEY,CHRIST WAS NOT WEALTHY ON EARTH NEITHER WERE HIS DISCIPLES.INFACT HIS DISCIPLES BECAME POOR, WERE IN RAGS, BEATEN WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO FOLLOW CHRIST.THEY DIED PAINFUL DEATHS.

That you worship your money god(satan or Mammon) does not mean you should blaspheme.. May God forgive you

Ken4Christ:
I am already in the kingdom of light and darkness can't find access here.

If the light u think u have is darkness,then your darkness is very deep.
It's easier to convert a self acclaimed sinner than someone deceived into thinking he belongs to 'the kingdom'.. Where ironically, he is a sure hell fire candidate

Ken4Christ:
When Apostle Paul wrote letters to the churches, he made mention of churches that meet in homes. He gave them recognition.

Besides, when our Lord Jesus wrote letters to the churches in Asia Minor, he addressed it to the Pastors placed over them in the respective communities. He called them angels. This is giving recognition to the individual churches.

And the writer of Hebrews said that we should not forsake the assembly of ourselves together. The assembly certainly can't be under one roof. You have to identify with one and Fellowship regularly.

The writer of hebrews is Paul. He only adviced that we should meet as brethrens. How is an advice a mandate or a law of God?
Do you not recognize ur superiors at the office?
A Pastors place is purely administrative. In the eyes of God we are all equal.we are all priests under one high priest, Christ. Leave the lies your pastors are telling you that they are special b4 God.they are not.
Meeting as a church is advisable to build one's faith afterall, iron sharpeneth iron. Is it compulsory? NO.

And for your information, Jesus did not write letters to churches in Asia Minor. Paul did.

Ken4Christ:
Being part of the local church is scriptural. You can't be a sheep without a shepherd. I will enlighten you more later.

SMH. U need to be delivered from darkness in the form of light

waldigit:
But there is no emphasis on what to give. We lost it because we materialized and monetized everything that has to do with giving and blessings especially in Nigeria. We even categorize what we get in return based on what we give. If one can give non material but another can give material. The material giver get the best blessings and he is the greatest giver. An oil company worker who pay fat tithes becomes title holder in the church faster than the self employed who pays little from his little private practice. I am an insider I know the system inside out . This is where we got it wrong. We are all witness of where it has led us to today. He who have ears let
him hear what the Spirit is telling the church.

The better question is.. Who to give... Church? Pastors? The needy. This is were the scam happens. Churches equate giving with giving to them.. Which is the lowest form of giving

Ken4Christ:
Being part of the local church is scriptural. You can't be a sheep without a shepherd. I will enlighten you more later.

Being part of a local church is scriptural you say?(show me where christ mandates that u must be part of a local church to make heaven.. Pls show me). Slaves obey your earthly masters is also scriptural.
Of what use is being part of a local church when you will still go to hell fire?
That's the problem with you. You are brainwashed. Which church did the thief on the cross attend? Which church did the Ethiopian eunuch attend?
That I attend extra-mural classes does it mean I will pass Jamb more than someone that studies for Jamb at home?
The only shepherd I know is Christ.ur pastors as middle men are not important.. Infact if care is not taken they will block people from entering heaven of which they themselves will not enter.

Ken4Christ:
Before I continue discussing with you on this subject, please are you born again? And are you committed to serving God through a local church? If you are not, whatever I say won't make sense to you. I have evidences from the New Testament that supports this principles of honouring men of God. But it's no use trying to unveil them if you are not part of the kingdom.

I used to be like you before. I used to attend a local church where I was brainwashed to think that I am commuted to serving God through them, or that I am part of the 'kingdom' like you called it.
But now I know better. You do not even need to attend a local church to serve God.
You think being born again is doing altar call, where u accept christ as your personal lord and savior but u still go back to follow the laws of Moses. You disobey christ all the time but you claim to be born again because u attend a local church and they declare u born again... Hahahahaha.
You really need to see the light.

About honoring men of God. It is not an instruction from christ or God. 1 timothy 5:17 is Paul advising that elders deserve double Honour.
Even in your office or school, don't u Honour your boss or teacher? It's common sense. How these charlatan pastor interpret it to mean honoring them with money is laughable.
What I am saying will not make sense to you cos you've been brainwashed from birth. I pray to God ul be delivered oneday and the light will come to you.

Ken4Christ:
First fruit is a principle that has been there hundreds of years before the Law of Moses was given.

It simply means that the first belongs to God. The first person who practiced it was Abel even though it was with animals. The scripture says;

Genesis 4:3-4
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. note

4 And Abel, he also brought of the FIRSTLINGS OF HIS FLOCK and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.

This was why the Lord respected his offering. Cain who was into farming was supposed to bring his firstfruit but he did not. And his offering was rejected. In the process of time, his lineage was wiped off.

It only became part of the Law of Moses but it was practiced even when there was no law by Abel.

Tithe also started before the Law was given. Abraham gave his Tithe to Melchizedech who was the priest at that time. And he is likened to Christ because he has no beginning of days nor end of days.

All these are divine principles that triggers financial prosperity.

Giving is not done only for the poor. The scripture instructs that we should minister to servants of God placed over us;

Galatians 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word COMMUNICATE UNTO HIM THAT TEACHETH IN ALL GOOD THINGS.

Even our Lord Jesus was ministered to by some women;

Luke 8:1-3
1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,

3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, WHICH MINISTERED UNTO HIM OF THEIR SUBSTANCE.

Time will not permit me to say more. All the kind of giving are scriptural and the principles still applies. But if you are not born again, you will certainly not understand them.

The problem you have is thinking that all what is scriptural is also Christian. That's your major problem.. And I do not blame you totally.. But I put the blame on our unlettered pastors in Nigeria.
Why not give your first son for sacrifice since u are following old, dead and expired so called principles in the old testament. I guess the word 'old' doesn't mean much to you.
Tithe before the law was given once by Abraham not from his wealth but a loot which he returned the remaning 90% back to the owners . Lol. Is your pastor a melchizedek?ur pastor has no beginning and end? Is your pastor equivalent to a priest? Do u know the requirements of being a priest under the old law? Did christ who is in the order of melchizedek collect tithes? Did he appoint pastors to collect on his behalf? Which tithe was christ reffering when he rebuked the pharisees in matt 23:23.. Was it the law or before the law tithe? Hahahahah. Guy, u have been scammed.
Yes Scripture old and new supports giving to help God's servant.. It's logical.is it compulsory? No. It is the logical thing to do.do u give to ur parents or children because u are expecting something in return?
In Nigeria, we abuse everything. How can ur poor church members that u should be giving to, give u so much that u now make Forbes list. Where is the love of christ in u?
That Jesus was supported,is there anywhere in Christian.. Not Jewish scriptures that said Joanna and Co were blessed for supporting Jesus ministry?gifts of love do not guarantee any blessings.
Is there anywhere in Christian not jewish scripture that says giving to 'God' servants can bless you and make u inherit Gods kingdom?
Now what is the most important form of giving? Is it not that which will make u inherit Gods kingdom? Why does ur pastor not preach that? U know why? Don't u?
I showed u where giving to the poor was the only criteria for making heaven. Show me where giving money(not water, food) to a church or pastor(not a needy one) attracts blessings or eternal life in the words of christ our lord and savior.
Nigerian churches are the leading source of hell fire candidates.how can u tell someone redeemed in christ to go back and follow old testament principles like tithing, first fruit , seed sowing scam etc just because u love money thereby putting millions of persons under the law of sin and death.. Tufiakwa

Ken4Christ:
Please don't call me names. You don't know me from Adam. I am a balanced teacher of God's word. I equaly condemn those who only collect and make themselves rich and don't give back to help the poor in their midst.

However, the truth of the gospel must still stand. Below are different areas we are supposed to give to according to the scriptures;

1. Firstfruit offerings
2. Tithes.
3. Special seed offerings.
4. Vows
5. Regular offerings
6. Prophetic seed.
7. Giving to the poor or needy.
8. Freewill offerings
9. Altar Offerings.

Details of each of these kinds of giving will be available soon on a new thread.

My brother.. U have been scammed.. Brainwashed. The only type of giving In Christianity that even guarantees a blessing an and a place in heaven is to the poor. All the nonsense u itemized up there has no place in Christianity. Read Matt 25:31-46,u will understand.
First fruit.. Expired old law
Tithes.. Expired.. A sin
Special seeds.. Ur pastors conciction
Vows.. Old law.. Expired
Regular offerings.. Not compulsory
Prophetic seed.. Scam
Altar offerings.. Scam,old law. We are the temple and altar.

Ken4Christ:
Prosperity is sure biblical. It depends on the way it is presented and the motive behind the person teaching it.

Jesus taught prosperity. He said;

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

The question is.. Give to who?.. It's this loophole that people of corrupt minds like u and your pastors exploit to extort gullible members... Luke 6:38 speaks of giving to who? Is it pastors? If u read in context, from verse 37 talks about what u do to others that will be done to you. If u give to those in need. It will be given to you, pressed down and shaken...

U see yaself? 419

suicidesheep:
U said nothing but facts, especially the part about christ embassy folks, their GO keeps displaying foolishness every single time. I wonder how someone who doesn't think with his ass can look up to a man like him

Apt

Sixfiguresmart:
There is no reason why a gate can stop someone who is inside from going inside. It only stops someone outside from coming in and someone inside from going outside. The Church in question is the dome of hell. In fact, let me ask you, do you include the Synagogue Church in this church that you are parading?

You use Church at your convenience. Why church are you referring? We have Church of Satan. They are all identified as church. If the gates of hell cannot prevent your church, what then, is preventing it in Sambisa? what is preventing it in Saudi Arabia?

He's mute now. He cannot comprehend

Ken4Christ:
The gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. It has never and it will never.

The church is not the shrine you visit on Sunday.the gates of hell has long been the church u guys attend. U guys are too many in your falsehood.. No wonder the Bible says.. Narrow is the way.

And FYI.. Rwanda is the fastest growing economy in Africa today.

Ken4Christ:
Are you pained because they own private jets. I will have mine too when the time comes. You can go and hug transformer.

Why not? As long as there are stupid people, you too can buy a Private Jet. I just ope we elect a president like Paul kagame.. To ban all your churches(shrines) and license all the so called MOGs.

Sixfiguresmart:
Oh, so you agree that every Christian must not be persecuted? Kindly 2 Timothy 3:12

Isn't it a coincidence that ALL the top pastors escape persecution AT THE SAME TIME, while ALL the apostles didn't. And, you claim that they serve the same God that inspired 2 Timothy 3:12?

Could the God who gave Nigeria rest have sent his son to teach Matthew 24:9? The God who gave the Christians rest in Judea is the same one that allowed the Romans to invade in a few years. But, since the Pentecostal churches sprung in Nigeria, this rest hasn't ceased for one day.

The Christians in the north that you use as props for your pastors, why aren't they made G.Os in your churches since the Bible says that persecution refines Christian?

You don't even know the church that they associate with. You have never asked them if they are born again the way you asked and judged me. You simply use them as props and statistics.

Did you ask if those persecuted in the north are T.B Joshua members? Since it aids your argument, you spread your collective blankets and called them Christians.

In all honesty if they were T.B Joshua members or Jehovah's witnesses, you wouldn't care one bit if they are incinerated. All you need is to use the blacket terminology in order to prove a void argument.

If Christians are persecuted in the north, where are the schools and homes that Lazarus, Oyedepo and Adeboye built to show hospitality to them since Jesus asked them to flee to the neighbouring lands when persecuted?

The private jets of your luxury pastors could have been used to evacuate the said Christians. At least, we read of stephen being martyred but why aint your church publishing tbe names of those kied in the north?

Does Leke even know the number of Christians killed in the north?

Your understanding of scripture is top notch. These brainwashed folks cannot grasp what u are saying. Nigerian version of Christianity is a scam. When they are boxed to a corner and they lack scriptural proof for thier false doctrine.. They start asking u if u r born again.. Or the carnal mind cannot grasp the things of the spirit etc.. Meanwhile they donot even know what being Born again is. They think it means going for 'altar call' or having a jet throting charlatan as a papa(whilst dey trek) . It's the christ Embassy fools I pity most..

Sixfiguresmart:
you are a spiritual fool. The devil is riding a cowgirl in your spiritual mind.

These people are demented, they an never understand what u are saying. Theve been brainwashed to think that common Bible literature that thier pastors cannot understand must be spiritually explained. Lol

suicidesheep:
I swear, its always one stupid excuse or the other, I dont l dont how someone can be foolishly blind in this era

Hahahaha.. Na so

Now that I am grown, I now understand what the coupist saw. Our problem is Northern Nigeria. No wonder the excised the north as soon as they held a broadcast.

Watch below to understand more


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjRLKqLtTQ

Jery curl pastor with his demented followers left the chat room.. Lol

Why dem komot pogba?

Preacherrr:
I KNOW THAT PHOTO IS YOUR NIGHTMARE. DON'T WORRY VERY SOON YOU WILL RUN TO THE SAME CHURCH TO CURE YOU OF TERMINAL SICKNESS. BUT I GUESS IT WOULD BE TOO LATE BY THEN.

Lol.. Make church no cure me. Make dem cure oyedepo wife wey get cancer, make them raise adeboye son, igadolo wife, tb joshua, make them cure yinka anyefele, cobams asuquo etc..
Yeye powerless scamming Nigerian church..

Udoboss:
Oga when sabi..You should have known tithing started before the law
Moreso, if he believes that giving 10% of his income to God works for him...oga let him be

My oga, saying that tithing started before the law is laughable. Na wetin fraudulent pastor dey use mumu people wey no sabi Bible especially when they cannot explain tithing under the law.

Abraham go war, come give a tenth of wetin him plunder to melchizedek. He was wealthy already and did not do it from his wealth. Moreover, na only that once and na war I'm go.
He even return back 90% of the loot to the king of Salem, make people no say na the 90% make am rich...

So, how can u tithe like Abraham? Ur pastor na melchizedek? Ur pastor no get beginning, him no ko die? Who appoint them to collect on behalf of christ, wey when him dey earth him no collect? U dey return back 90% to your employer? Who tell u say na Montly? Who tell u say na money? Shebi you go war ko kill people ni? Na who tell u, na im be 419

Ken4Christ:
They are not. God is using them to change lives. And millions of people have been positively affected by their ministries.

Little wonder why with 5 churches on every street, Nigeria remains the poverty capital of the world,one of the highest in prostitution, one of the highest in corruption, one of the highest in paternity fraud, one of the highest in Africa for pornography watching,one of the highest in ritual killings, one of the highest in wickedness, lowest In life expectancy ... An on an on..
So guy, abeg which lives have they transformed?