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Jochabed:
Entertainers, politicians post their flex, you no dey complain.

Entertainers offer thier services which we buy. They are hardworking people.. On the otherhand, politicians(tax payers money) and pastors(Members money) are being taken care by the public and should live a modest lifestyle

Donpaper:
Eyah! Then show us the real men of God!!! By the way, if by chance you become a man of God, please suffer a lot as a form of humility. Have money but dress in rags, live like a poor man so that people can call you a real man of God.

I come in peace!

What a shallow brain? If I am the one feeding you that means I should be well off more than you na..unless the least member in Dunamis can lodge in trump towers, then it's ok. As a pastor that is surviving from handouts from members, you should be very modest in your spending after all you are just a servant not a master.

memd:
Why is it you seem to have overlooked the part that this woman actually did get healed?

You have stopped going to church because... why? Okay you didn't actually state a reason.
You believe in God? You believe the Bible is the word of God?

He said, "If you love me, keep my commandments."
One of those is "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together."

So, sir, I do not know why you've withdrawn from church, but that's not much the issue. We are to worship God in spirit and in truth, but there's still the place of fellowship and communion.

Do 'pastors' offend you? Why? We do know there will be false prophets, yes, no one denies that. But does that mean they all are false prophets?

Probably, we have these opinions because these well-known Men of God are financially doing excellent. But the truth is that there is no one that will give himself to God and not be blessed. "Seek ye first... all other things will be added."

These men cannot but be blessed. If everyone stopped paying offerings, it won't hinder their blessings. For Elijah, it was a poor widow woman God used, and the woman never remained poor herself. Even when there was no one, God used a raven to supply Elijah's meal. You cannot give yourself wholly to God and not partake of the bounties of heaven.

So, all these talk about men of God being business men...? Again, there are false prophets, but they all aren't. By their fruits you shall know them. That fruit is not prosperity. True prosperity comes from God.

Okay we talk about Dr. Enenche, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Adeboye, etc, but those are just few of the popular ones. What of these many many numerous pastors of local churches that might not be as financially buoyant? Are those the ones who are really serving God because they're poor? Of course not! Even among those, there're false ones.

These giants started from those lower levels too, but God has catapulted them up there. Who are we to speak against a man whom God has chosen to honour? May we not blaspheme!

Someone mentioned that we do not need to go through any Man of God to reach God. Of course, absolutely correct! But won't you agree that there are some who have climbed to higher levels than some of us have? These men have drawn closer to God than we have, and that is why they can be channels of blessings to everyone. If you draw as close too, God can so use you even beyond these men. Jesus said we'll do greater works than this! Anyone could learn to fly a plane, but we leave that to the pilots, and we dare not complain when they get their salaries.

Why do we seem to equate serving God with poverty? You believe in God, do you believe the records of miracles in His word? Do you believe the account of the Israelites fed with manna for decades? Do you believe the account of the 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes feeding 5thousand? Do you believe the money in the fish belly? Do you believe the abundance of fish that brake Peter's net?

So why is it so hard to believe that God blesses his own? Is anything too hard for God?

Sir, two questions for you and any other person who has taken the time to read this:
Do you believe in God?
The more important one: Have you tasted of God?

I leave you with Psalm 34: "Oh taste and see that the Lord is good... He'll give you everything!"

My guy.. You have been brainwashed thoroughly. Do you know how many people have died because they refuse medical help but instead believe that thier church will heal them....?
You think men of God prosper because of God's blessings.? Lol.. Ur brainwashing like I said is deep.
Now, a so called man of God can be said to prosper if he has won many souls over to the Kingdom which cannot be measured by the number of members but by the improved morals of a population.now,this is missing in Nigeria. So, no pastor in Nigeria is prosperous.
Now listen, you are the one blessing them and not God. Without your money, these men will abandon ministry. So the members are the pastors God period

wale81:
So much envy and hate against pastors.

So a pastor isn't allowed to prosper.

If he /she is prosperous, people who haven't read their bible in over 1 year will come online and begin to quote scriptures supporting poverty.

Someone here on this thread gave them back to back and the response is "see the reply from a Christian"

I advise anyone here to stop replying and just let the haters hate. They have made up their minds and you will not convince them.

A pastor is rich and automatically its the poor they are stealing from...accusations made by people who might not even remember the last time they paid school fees or emptied their accounts to support the so-called poor they are defending.

The hate and jealousy are sickening.

So because Jesus went on hard roads, then Christians should do so abi? You that know the scripture, go and do it na, make we follow you.

Criticize pastors and men of God and Christians all you want....they will keep rising and prospering and all the nairaland comments wont change a thing.

Read the bible upside down and justify poverty, and see if they will be affected....just know you cannot attract what you hate.

Try am for the other religion na, shebi its only Christianity that allows you to run mouth like tap and flex online muscle you no get for real life?

Wo...I'm logging out.

If you like quote me 10000 times, I no go answer.

Prosper on whose pockets? A person collecting handouts from everybody is a servant to the masters that give out money.his needs should be taken care of. If he wants luxury he should go and practice his medicine

victorazy:
2 Corinthians 8:9

U think he meant earthly riches? Ur head needs to be examined

victorazy:
Is an abomination for a Christian not to talk of a pastor to be poor.

A pastor that is working can be rich,Not a pastor that is living off handouts from the poor

judedwriter:
It's dangerous to criticize a man of God....God knows how to fight for His anointed o.

He's doing His job as a pastor. Leave Him to God to judge.

Who told u all there gibberish u spilled.? It's your pastor.
How come God did not fight for all the disciples that got killed? Or maybe Peter, Paul etc were not anointed.

Jochabed:
What kind of question is this? He was invited to the US for a program, his host lodged him in the Trump Towers, what under the heavens is wrong with that? If you as an individual strive to have a better life so as to have the good things of life, what's wrong with pastor's having the good things of life? Mind you Jesus Christ our savior said and I qoute " I became poor so that you might be rich" Stop all this unnecessary sentiment.

And you think the rich christ reffered to is earthly riches? Your head and your pastor's need to be examined

mysticwarrior:
Castro was a man of courage, fearless and also with a very high level of combat readiness/intelligence. This man shocked the US in 1962 when he allowed the soviets to plant two powerful nuclear bomb in Havana, each of this bomb was ten times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb, the target of the bombs was New York and Washington DC.

Castro and che guavara.. Very bad guys then

dermmy:
Whenever the capitalist west incite your people against you just to undermine and collapse your regime and you took drastic measure to curb such so that it won't repeat itself next time can you be termed a dictator? I don't think so.

Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez were dictators according to the capitalist west who sponsored coups against them and they would have been replaced with brutal dictators if they were successful. Castro escaped over 600 assasination attempt orchestrated by America.

Hugo Chavez was removed in a coup because of his Bolivarian Revolution / Bolivarianism . Though he was restored within 24hrs by his loved ones in the military. U.S was in that coup. Let us not create the list of dictators using the lens of these evil western countries cause they have removed democratically elected leaders at some point and replaced them with dictators.

You so on point

What of Oyedepo and sons?

nosiebaba:
When oyinbo gods dey teach their people innovation what did your idols teach you?

gods wey oyibo Don abandon.. Ask the budist in China what thier idols taught them... They are now world power.. Spits

nosiebaba:
I wan beat you black and blue since you can't make a point without foul mouthing that you are from a brainless clan.

Violent youths with nothing upstairs... You deserve the charlatans swindling you on thier pulpits

nosiebaba:
Your clearly have no brain left. Drop an address let's fight.

Oboy wake up. Uve been scammed by ur god, Chris

nosiebaba:
Your clearly have no brain left. Drop an address let's fight.

Why won't u fight for your small God, Chris?

elbulk:
sadly for you, I don't even attend the church. Losers like you just have a loud mouth, reason is zero.
So is your money there?

Stick to the subject matter my friend!

Anakazo22:
Look at this slowpoke, all the revenue from oil your country is generating, what are they using it for, foolish idiot.

Common sense like I said is not common

nosiebaba:
If only Nigerianwas managed the way the Bishop manages living faith world wide, Nigeria would have been a better place. Our government need to learn management and growth from Bishop oyedepo, pastor Adeboye etc. In a country where there is no electricity, these guys generate megawatts everyday. No quality education from the govt but the church university graduates are the best. So stop the persecution and learn.

That invictus Obi was a successful businessman and even named on Forbes under 30, does it mean that he wasn't a fraudster? Pls use what is left of your brain.. Pls

mysticwarrior:
trump, Fidel Castro, hugo chavez, Alberto fujimori and Augusto Pinochet should be there.

All these other guys seem communist except trump

Mnn.. Never heard of the fujimori guy

Lol

In the wake of the revelations made by Pandora papers of illicit monies stashed by persons under phony companies to hide source and evade tax, a Nigerian foreign pilot, jygga Collins have berated David Oyedepo.

David Oyedepo is the founder of Living Faith Church and owner of his church's University and other schools.
David Oyedepo has been on Forbes as one one the world's wealthiest preachers,preaching prosperity to a country known as 'the poverty Capital of the world'.

TheMan3:
this is a satanic behaviour. You are not helping yourself by thinking this way.

Satanic behavior is thinking that your money pleases God. Anyone trying to free you is seen as the devil. Meanwhile you are a full blown anti christ without knowing.. U can't understand what I am saying cos you are brainwashed. Theve switched polarity between God and the devil on you.

HigherEd:
I'm back from Church, and I find myself laughing as people on nairaland are claiming that I am a PR person for Bishop Oyedepo and expect I would soon be back with a rebuttal. I wasn't intending any rebuttal before, as I am not a PR person for the living faith church. But I would do this in defense of the gospel because a non credible attack against one of Nigeria's most credible churches is unacceptable.

I think many of us generally get carried away with headlines and forget the substance of an article before rushing to comment.

I have gone through the entire article and I haven't seen anything indicting of the Oyedepo family. But I would address four observations from the article itself and from the surrounding comments.

Why Should Oyedepo Or Living Faith Avoid Taxes By Setting Up Offshore Accounts Giving The Bible Verse "Give Unto Ceasar What Is Unto Ceasar"?

1) For all the businesses the living faith church operates in Nigeria pays taxes to the Nigerian government. This includes the publishing business, and the other taxable constituent businesses around the universities which includes the microfinance banks, water and beverage factories, farms etc.

2) There are over 200 nations on earth eligible to receive taxes. So British Islands is also 'ceasar'. Every nation has the responsibility to make themselves tax attractive to welcome foreign investment and Oyedepo and his family are just as eligible as anyone else to search for better priced tax opportunities for their personal or ministry benefit.

Is Living Faith Investment Carriage A Secret?


Inside the Mantle book and under the finance section of the living faith church details to great extent the administrative procedure for the church, it is well cited that the living faith church can maintain asset management to protect the church's income. Or did you expect the church to warehouse millions of dollars with banks who would live large on the proceeds and expose the hard earned income of worshippers to inflation even before the church uses it?

Are Oyedepo's Universities The Most Expensive In Nigeria As Claimed By The Article?

We all know this to be untrue. The Living Faith university system runs one of the most pocket friendly private universities in Nigeria when comapred to secular varsities of equal standing. There's nothing unusual about the price of Living faith schools.

I suspect that the addition of this claim was just to make Oyedepo look further bad and horrible.

Does Living Faith Maintain Four Jets?


This is another claim that has been debunked several times by Leke Beecroft of Church gist and many others who cared to explain.
The living faith church has used four to five planes in the past to convey its church leadership. It regularly sells her older planes to buy new ones. Currently, the church uses more of its helicopter to shuffle the church leadership and that of the RCCG around the country. While deemphasizing on the use of the private jet.

However, the article presented it as though the living faith church maintains an active fleet of four jets on standby in a futile attempt to further make the church appear greedy and evil.

Yes, @highered the spiritual son to Oyedepo has issued a rebbutal... Lol.. Spiritual son whose name isn't on the list of directors in any of the family companies listed in the pandora papers...
Oyedepo evades tax by hiding contributors monies in tax havens in shady companies belonging to just him and his immediate family.
The church has jets used to convey only church leadership and not church members of living faith who contributed thier monies... Lol

Covenant University and faith academy belongs to Oyedepo and family.. Your name is nowhere to be found..
Your brainwashing is on steroids and

In conclusion, you are a spiritual bastard.

TheMan3:
you need to wake up. Keep your money and do as you wish with it. Let me do what I wish with mine. Simple

Thier hearts have been made hardened by the god of this world satan, who is the god of. Money,mammon.. You and your pastor should seek christ bro.

shidof:
I didn't see @HigherEd name as one of the directors also. He will soon create a rebuttal thread on this report. He's the head of winner's chapel defence team on Nairaland

No mind them.. Anytime them wake up na im ko be Dia morning.

Spiritual sons how far? We didn't see your names listed as shareholders oo..

Cc@righteousness 66
@Agbadadi

Lisong:
I appreciate you oh Pastor Chris. But unless the school was built in an interior village in ogun, if the school in the picture is the entire structure you built for a school in a township area, then i think you can do better than that, based on your financial strength. Even poor men that are proprietors of schools build very big schools, how much more the G.O of CHRIST EMBASSY. Haba! How many children can this school accomodate? If churches can build over 10,000 capacity mega auditorium and mega universities, then this structure na school library e suppose be. But no wahala sha. All na still charity and na "giving back to the society" from the Billions you got from it. God bless you man of God, half bread is better than none. At all at all naim bad pass.

The glory should go to the church not pastor Chris.the members money built the school and the members of CE even feed Pastor Chris Oyakilome as a charity though disguised as honor.

TheMan3:
nope it is a choice and voluntary. If I choose to follow my bible and pay my tithe and even give all I have for the furtherance of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, that is my business not urs. If I chose to live a life of total sacrifice to God; everything I earn in this life, that's my life, is it yours?

Do what you like with yours, and let me do what I like with mine. Simple

That is the fraud they propagate where ur god needs your money to propagate his gospel not love. What a powerless and hungry god?is everything in the Bible Christian?why didn't ur parents stone you to death as a stubborn child? Or is it not in the Bible?
This small god, his disciples and apostles live in opulence as a direct opposite to the true gospel where everything was shared and its apostles and disciples sometimes were poor and killed thru persecution.. Wake up

TheMan3:
it is not compulsory to pay. The money is in your hand and you choose what to do with yours. If I choose to Give Mine to sponsor the Gospel, who are you to judge?

What when you are fraudulently persuaded to pay.. Like.. Pay your tithe or things will be tight.. Or if u don't tithe u won't make heaven.. Etc... That a Yahoo boy did not force his client to pay, does that absolve him of being a fraudster?

TheMan3:
it's not the job of the church to provide schools. That's your leaders responsibility and failures. It they do it's charity, not responsibility

But they can collect money to buy rolce royces PJ living like kings here on earth... Clap for your self.
You don't pay tax but you are deceived to part with your money to pay ridiculous tithes, seeds, offerings etc. Yet you demand free schools from government