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Some Christians don't read their bible. This has made them to rely on man's exegesis of the bible. Most times this exegesis is not in accordance with the bible.
The thrust of this piece is to entertain questions from the readers and to be answered by those that can back it up with bible passages.
Let's go.

What is bible?

Hmmm, what is difficult in making this things. Nigeria, where mediocrity is celebrated.

We don't walk into Love; we fall into Love. You are either in or out. You don't learn it. Ask your self whether you are in love or you're managing, and decide for yourself.

Christian experience is a journey; just like every other journey, you may not understand the particular area you are now in your journey to your destination. If that is your experience, please feel free to ask any question, and the good Lord in His infinity mercy Will help you.

APOSTLE
To simplify it, I will start by saying that in the Church there are two types of Apostles:
Apostle of God and Apostle of Denomination(apostle of an Apostle).

What is the meaning of Apostle?
Apostle means the sent one with the authority to do what the one that sent him would do had the one that sent him were there himself.
Therefore Apostles differ on the bases of the sender.
One is send by God to communicate the new move of God hence an Apostle of God.
The other is send to a particular location by an Apostle of God to communicate the vision of his Ministry or Church hence an apostle of the Apostle that sent him.

Every Apostle of God has a new move or revelation of God from God in Christ Jesus to introduce or communicate to/in the Church, the body of Christ.

NOW I WILL BE DEALING WITH APOSTLE OF GOD:

An Apostle is the one with the original move of God, ministry from God. An Apostle knows exactly what he is called to do; he does not copy from anybody though he can learn from others to be able to fit in the body of Christ. He learns from others not to understand his calling but to be able to harmonize the body of Christ, the Church. Just as a new employee has to go through orientation for the easy flow of services in an organization though he has all the expertise required for the job. Though he got the prerequisite for the job he has to understand the operation of the whole organization to be able to fit in and discharge his duties.
An Apostle has his vision and drive from God, and knows where he is going primarily from God himself.
Every Apostle of God has his ministry-vision from God such that he is convinced of his Apostleship.
THE CARDINAL THING ABOUT AN APOSTLE IS NOT THAT HE HAS FIRST HAND MESSAGE FROM GOD,(EVERY CHRISTIAN HAS THAT GRACE)BUT BECAUSE HE HAS AND DIVULGES A NEW MOVE OF GOD, PECULIAR TO HIM.
The mystery of it is that an Apostle can operate in all the ministerial offices(prophetic, evangelical, pastoral or teaching) in other to maximize the efficiency of his office. He can operate in either offices if he needs to. If you listing to him you will know that he has the original of his message. No one can copy him enough to be better than him in his on ministry for he is consistently under the tutelage of God who called him into the Apostleship.
I have more understanding than all my teachers, the Psalmist says;

Psalms 119:99
[99]I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.

That is true. But he did not say my Apostle or Father. Teachers are passerby they cannot be responsible for your soul, they will not be judged for your soul.
David, the Psalmist, never out know his Father and Apostle, Prophet Nathan. He still tells him what to do after all his understandings.

2 Samuel 7:1-13
[1]And it came to pass, when the king sat in his house, and the LORD had given him rest round about from all his enemies;
[2]That the king said unto Nathan the prophet, See now, I dwell in an house of cedar, but the ark of God dwelleth within curtains.
[3]And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that is in thine heart; for the LORD is with thee.
[4]And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying,
[5]Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?
[6]Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.
[7]In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me an house of cedar?
[8]Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:
[9]And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth.
[10]Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
[11]And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
[12]And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
[13]He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

2 Samuel 12:7-14
[7]And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
[8]And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
[9]Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
[10]Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
[11]Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
[12]For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
[13]And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
[14]Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

For one to think he has gotten too much understanding that he cannot listed to his Father, Master or Apostle is tantamount to giving the enemies of the Lord an occasion to mock Him; It is a very big mistake.
The Lord never suggested that one can be greater than his Master rather he teaches that it is enough for a disciple to be like their Master.

Matthew 10:24-25
[24]The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
[25]It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

THEREFORE AN APOSTLE IS THE SOURCE, RESOURCE AND THE DISPENSER OF THE RESOURCES, THE MYSTERIES OF GOD AS IT CONCERNS HIS MINISTRY.

PROPHET
A prophet is called into a local Church with a special insight to understand the move of God communicated by the Apostle of the local Church he has been called into. In other words, he is the second in command in the local Church. His duty is to understand the vision of the Apostle of his local Church and simplify it as much as possible for the consumption of the entire members of the Church or ministry (of course if he can do that the Apostle who got the revelation in the first place can do better). Therefore prophetic ministry is a special ministry designed by God with a special anointing to understand the vision of the Apostle in other to shoulder the work of the ministry with the Apostle. A prophet needs at least four active manifestation of the spirit to be able to carry out his duty: word of knowledge, word of wisdom, discerning of the Spirit, and gift of prophecy(am adding this because today a prophet is primarily associated with visions and dreams which is not supposed to be so: these things are not peculiar to prophets; the only difference is that they are more consistent with prophets because of their continuing fellowship with the Holy Spirit do to their office as a prophet---but not in comparison to Apostles because Apostles have all that and more.

Ephesians 3:3-5
[3]How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[4]Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[5]Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

SO A PROPHET IS IN THE SECOND POSITION IN THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE MINISTRY OF AN APOSTLE AND DISSEMINATE SIT TO THE OTHER MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OR MINISTRY.

PASTOR AND TEACHER
Pastor and Teacher are similar in operation. Their duty is to get the same vision from Apostles through the Ministry of the Prophet to the grassroots of the church or Ministry. That does not mean that Pastors and Teachers cannot understand the Apostles; It is simply because the Apostles do not resident in a particular local Church or Ministry. Apostles are always on the go for the founding of new fellowships or Churches hence the prophets are entrusted the responsibility of the inflows of the mystery of the move of God from the Apostle to the Pastors and Teacher, and from them to the members.
The primary difference between Pastors and Teachers is just that Pastors are more close, more bonded with the members(I use the word more because all the five fold ministries also have such qualities but it is in higher degree with the Pastors and Teachers especially because they are resident minister). But Teachers have more insight into the wisdom of God than Pastors.

EVANGELIST
An Evangelist is in the hunting business; he majors on the act 1:8 than any of the other Ministers.
Acts 1:8
[8]But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
He testifies, wins souls and brings them to the fold to be trained, seasoned with the wisdom of God by the other ministers. Witnessing though, is not peculiar to them but they are more attracted to it than others. Apostles and other ministers are also attracted as much to witnessing but can not be satisfied by just testifying; they would like to take more steps forward to get them to understand fellowship and relationship with Christ and His riches( His mysteries).

Rev. Pastor George Oyoke

Testimony does not kill; but it rather provokes more blessings.
Just keep on testifying, those who want to silence the goodness of the Lord can never succeed.
GOD IS ALIVE : INSTEAD OF SHAME IT WILL TURNOUT DOUBLE PROMOTION.

IMPARTATION

It depends on what you are imparting. I believe you are talking about the impartation of the Holy Spirit.

The dictionary meanings of impartation are:
1) To give a part or share.
2)To communicate the knowledge of; to make known; to show by words or tokens; to tell; to disclose.
3)To hold a conference or consultation.
4)To obtain a share of; to partake

I suppose you are talking about the impartation of the Holy Spirit. if that is what you mean, then such word can not be used of a Christian.

In the real sense, the term impartation cannot be used of a born again since we are complete in Christ. The only right term that could be appropriate is activation, depending on the way you are using it.

*IMPARTATION OF ANOINTING:* This phrase, simple put, means the distribution of the anointing of the Holy Spirit from one person to another.
Therefore, nothing is missing to be imparted to a Christian(in the literal sense)if everything is already there.

This is very technical because one may ask: what is the essence of preaching and one praying for another if everything is already there? Why should one bless the other if everything is already there?
That is the area maturity comes to play otherwise we may conclude that praying to/for one another is out of place, but it is not if you understand the scriptures very well.
*LET ME EXPLAIN:*
When one is born again he has the person of the Holy Spirit therefore has every and all heavenly blessings(spiritually) imbedded in him. In this case the person does not need the impartation, because he has everything in him. But that does not mean the person will enjoy those things in him, that is where activation comes in.

This is where a Christian more knowledgeable can decide to bless the less knowledgeable ones by helping to activate the gift in them.

Something happens when we communicate to one another or to oneself in the light of the gospel.

*Ephesians 5:19
[19]Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;*

The above Scripture talks about speaking, speaking blessings, to oneself through communicating to oneself. But one can do the same to another Christian according to the Colossians:

*Romans 15:29
[29]And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.*

In Roman chapter 1 Paul calls it impartation according to those who translated the Bible, Paul might even have used the word impartation because of the limitations of words then, but if you have relationship with the Holy Spirit or study that statement of Paul with the lens of the Holy Spirit, you would know that Paul did not in anyway say he was coming to give them what they did not have.

*LET’S STUDY IT:*

*Romans 1:11-12
[11]For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
[12]That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.*

In verses eleven, Paul uses the word impart, which floors many people to try to impart anointing, gifts and so on. But if you read verses twelve which is actually the explanation of the verses eleven, you would understand that he never said he was coming to give them anything they did not have.
The verses twelve starts with the word, “ *that is”.* Which implies that if you don’t understand the verses eleven the verses twelves has the comprehensive explanation of verses eleven.

Furthermore, the verses twelve went ahead to use the word, “that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.”.

This too implies that whatever Paul was coming to do, he was not coming to give them anything rather he was coming to be blessed mutually with them. Paul was coming to bless them and to be blessed by them, that is the reason of the word *“mutual”.*

You can see how complicated it is. If you don’t understand you will end up saying that a Christian does not need blessings or should not blessed since they have all and every spiritual blessing in them according to the book of Ephesians.

Ephesians 1:3
[3]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

If we are taking this scripture to mean that we are not supposed to receive or accept blessings, or bless others, the question would be:

why do we have meetings?
why do we preach?
why do we fellowship?

The truth is that a Christian can bless and be blessed. I will explain why and how.

*WHY?*
Because the blessings in the heavenly places, according to Ephesians 1:3, are spiritual, within your Spirit, and need activation in other to materialize or penetrate to the surface.

Romans 8:9-13
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] *But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.*
[12]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: *but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.*

The above scripture demands that what(The blessings, the anointing) you need for your healing and to keep your body in check is within your spirit, and needs to be brought up into your mortal body.

And Peter writes:

2 Peter 1:3-4
[3]According as his divine power hath given unto us *all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:*
[4]Whereby are given unto us *exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.*

Here Peter is more comprehensive in his wordings than Paul, depending on our objective. According to Peter, everything you need for “ *life and godliness* ,” is already imbedded in you through His divine nature. But can only be enjoyed “through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:”.
Then in verses four he says we can be sharers, partakers of divine nature and escape the corruptions, limitations and decay that is in the world through lust by “exceeding great and precious promises”, the word of God, given to us.

According to these two Apostles we need to help each other to get what are already in us working, and I believe that that could be called to bless someone or have been blessed by someone. Now let’s deal with how.

*How?*
The reason I need to explain this in detail is actually because people don’t study the workings of the spirit in their life hence don’t know why some happenings take place in their life and ministry.

As I have already stated: something happens when we communicate to someone, especially to or with a born again.
The Bible says that our words manifest life and immortality:

2 Timothy 1:10
[10]But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath *brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:*

Remember the above scripture says the gospel we preach shades light on life and immortality(in other words, there is life and immortality somewhere in you; all the gospel does is to manifest it, to fan it into flame, and to amplify it).

Every Christian received life and immortality the day he accepted Jesus into their life. That is what Jesus cried about in the book of John, abundant life:

John 10:10
[10]The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it *more abundantly.*

In John 3:16 he calls it everlasting life, the same life God has that makes him everlasting God.

John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, *but have everlasting life.*

So every Christian has the life of God, immortality and life, that is why we are children of God. Since we have such life, we are complete in Christ, nothing is missing:

Colossians 2:9-10
[9]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[10] *And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:*

Base on the fact that we, every Christian, are already complete in Christ, our blessings do not come by impartation but activation of the spiritual blessings of Ephesians 1:3 through pronouncements, calling it out, or through preaching of the gospel of truth.

Paul says his Church of Galatians received the Spirit and miracles through the hearing of the faith, truth. Therefore, when you preach the gospel you are blessing the hearers; to unbelievers, when they believe they receive the Spirit, everlasting life, abundant life from you; but when you preach to a believer you activate the life in them already, which is the source of blessings.

*Galatians 3:5
[5]He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?*

But we don’t only bless by preaching; we can also bless by pronouncing what we want to happen, but already in them and needs to be provoked to shine out, by calling it by name, and it will respond from within the believer to the surface or to the physical realm.

*Job 22:28
[28]Thou shalt also decree a thing, and it shall be established unto thee: and the light shall shine upon thy ways.*

But if it were unbelievers, everything is coming from you because they don’t have life already in them to be activated therefore you can impart what you want by declaring or directing your gospel to the area you want to affect a change.

The Bible says that God will deliver them by your righteousness, not by their own righteousness, so everything depends on you:

Job 22:30
[30]He shall deliver the island of the innocent: and it is delivered *by the pureness of thine hands.*

The Lord puts it this way:
*John 20:23
[23]Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.*

In other words, you are in charge.
Just say something.

As you can see, a Christian does not need impartation because he is complete in Christ.
But unbelievers do; because they have no life in them; they are empty, dead.

IMPLANTATION
Again I believe you are talking about implantation of the Holy Spirit.
This once again cannot be associated with a Christian because implantation means to be rooted, grounded or situated in such a way that it can not shake or move away from a particular point. If I’m right, then Christians do not need implantation because that has already happened in every Christian’s life, it is called the indwelling of the Holy Spirit or Christ in you.

*Romans 8:9
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.*

*Colossians 1:27
[27]To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:*

But the unbelievers need implantation of the Holy Spirit so as to be saved, without which they cannot be saved. The Bible calls it the first encounter of the Holy Spirit with the unsaved: drinking into one Spirit, indwelling of the Spirit, but your term is implantation, they are one and the same.

1 Corinthians 12:13
[13]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to *drink into one Spirit* .

CONCLUSION
impartation of the Spirit means the giving or transferring of the anointing of the Holy Spirit from one person or thing to another:

*Acts 19:12
[12]So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.*
While implantation of the Holy Spirit is the coming of the person of the Holy Spirit into none born again to get him born again.

John 3:5
[5]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
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who is an Apostle, a prophet, a pastor or a teacher of the word?
*YET TO BE DEALT WITH*

_Rev. Pastor George Oyoke_

ONE SAVED IS FOREVER SAVED[PLEASE BEGIN FROM THE PREVIOUS PARTS]

https://www.nairaland.com/5293182/pastor-george-oyoke-one-save#80125433

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How do we know that the law has been fulfilled and abolished?


We can know in two way: changing the status quo, and the outright declaration that the law has been fulfilled and abolished.

Do we have these remarks in the Bible?

Yes. and I will begin to show it to us:

Firstly, I will be dealing with the change of the status quo:
Before and at the time of Jesus, they had to forgive to expect forgiveness from God.

[b]Matthew 6:12
[12]And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mark 11:25-26
[25]And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
[26]But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Today, we don’t forgive to be forgiven; we forgive because we have been forgiven in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 4:32
[32]And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

1 John 2:12
[12]I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

Hebrews 10:14
[14]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Before and at the time of Jesus, they had to keep the law to please God.

Leviticus 18:5
[5]Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

Matthew 19:16-17
[16]And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17]And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [/b]

In our time, we don’t have the laws (since it has been fulfilled and abolished)to keep; we only have to believe in Jesus as Lord and saviour.

[b]John 6:28-29
[28]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
He did not say believe on them; he said believe on him(meaning he is talking about one person though God sent many into the world).
Who could that one person be?
It’s Jesus Christ, and he said so:

John 17:3
[3]And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
In our time, we don’t have the laws (since it has been fulfilled and abolished)to keep; we only have to believe in Jesus as Lord and saviour.

Romans 10:9-10
[9]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

John 3:16,18
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[18]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Ephesians 2:8-9
[8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The above scriptures couldn’t have been possible if the law hadn’t been fulfilled and abolished.
Secondly, let’s checkout the outright declaration that the law has been fulfilled and abolished by Christ:

Romans 10:4
[4]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 8:7-13
[7]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[9]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
[13]In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Ephesians 2:14-15
[14]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[15]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Colossians 2:13-14
[13]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[14]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
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He nailed it on the cross, he crucified it—glory be to God!

The above scriptures are declarations of what has already taken place in Christ Jesus; not what is yet to happen in the future or what we need to do something to make it happen. The forgiveness of our sins(sins of the past, present and future) were fully consummated through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. all that were actualized by his one sacrifice on the cross.

1 Peter 1:2
[2]Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Hebrews 10:14
[14]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

For these reasons a Christian cannot sin hence saved forever.

1 John 3:9
[9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

The bible says sin cannot be imputed unto us for His name sake.

[b]1 John 2:12
[12]I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

Romans 4:1-8
[1]What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
[2]For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
[3]For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
[4]Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
[5]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[6]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
[7]Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
[8]Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not i[/b]mpute sin.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19
[17]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
[18]And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
[19]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Whenever the true gospel is preached, there is always a question:

Romans 6:1
[1]What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

This question is the prove that you are preaching the true gospel; if your gospel does not yet inspire such questions, then you are not preaching the true gospel but the law. And when such question is asked, and you cannot answer it, it is also a prove you don't understand the true gospel.

When Paul asked that question, he could perceive they were itching to ask some questions hence, ‘What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?’.

Having comprehensive understanding of the gospel he answered:

Romans 6:2-4
[2]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Paul answering himself and the people through the above scriptures, he says, God forbid, and he went ahead to explain: we are dead to sin; not we are dead for sin.

What is the difference?

Dead for sin, means we died because of the sin/sins we committed--which is not what he said or saying.
Dead to sin, in the other hand, means we are dead, cut-off from sin, and now exist where we cannot reach out to sin or commit sin--we cannot penetrate to the kingdom of sin, the Christian-kingdom cannot be found sin to commit.

The typical illusion is that it's unreasonable to think that your dead grandfather is the one that ate the food you are looking for.

Why? [color=#990000][/color]

Because your dead grandfather does not exist in this world of physicality.
In the same vein, it's unreasonable to input sin to a Christian(a Christian simply means the-dead-to-sin, not the-dead-for-sin.
he does not exist where sin can be found or committed. I hope you still remembers what I said about David and the showbread, and the priests and the defilement of the Sabbath in the temple).

Paul also gives us a vivid picture in the next chapter:

Romans 7:1-3
[1]Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
[2]For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
[3]So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

That's a powerful illustration: the woman married, and she was called an adulteress; the same woman now marries, and she's not considered to be an adulteress.

why?


The answer is simple: the husband has died therefore owes him no more allegiance--she does not account to him now as her husband since he's dead and cut-off from her existence.

Do you know that we were married to sin and account to sin therefore were sinners; Just as a marriage between Mr. John and Ms. Mary automatically makes her Mrs. John. But when John dies, she has constitutional and moral right to answer a different name because there is separation between the two.

Likewise, Jesus became sin(our formal husband)and died; when he died, sin(our formal husband) died that we may marry another husband(Glorified Christ). Therefore, we no more answer to sin or associate to or with sin.

Romans 7:4
[4]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

But the above scripture does not say sin but the law?

Yes, I like your observation, it says that because the sources of sin is the law--there is no sin without the law, and there is no law without sin. In other words, the law existed for one reason, to produce sin not to stop sin( for where there is no law there is no sin).

Romans 4:15
[15]Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Romans 3:20
[20]Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 5:13,20
[13](For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
[20]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound...:

Then Jesus came to save us(knowing that it's impossible to save us without first fulfilling the law and take it out of the away)and said:

Matthew 5:17-18
[17]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

When Jesus fulfilled the law and took it out of the way, he says to the Father:


John 17:4
[4]I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

He claims he has accomplished what he came to do in

Matthew 5:17.
He has abolished the law(our formal husband)and it’s fruits(sin and death) and now we are married(not remarried, because we are new creatures, the one, the old man, that was married to the law died with Jesus on the cross, while our new self that exists now are our resurrected self that came out of the grave with the resurrected Jesus, our new husband, through baptism.

Romans 6:3-7
[3]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[7]For he that is dead is freed from sin.


Based on these achievements of Jesus, Paul writes:

[b]1 Corinthians 15:55-57
[55]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[56]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[57]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:14-15
[14]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[15]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Because of the death of our formal husband and our marriage with Christ, who exists to produce abundant grace, we cannot sin-- where we are, sin does not exist there.
We have been brought into the kingdom of our husband, where there is no existence of sin. In this kingdom, we are not trying to not sin, no, we can’t just sin, it is not possible in our kingdom:

Hebrews 12:22-24
[22]But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
[23]To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
[24]And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Colossians 1:12-13
[12]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[13]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[/b]

Why should we live right then?

TO BE CONTINUED...

Wizy123:
Please all the things you wrote up there didn't answer my simple question

I am honestly surprised you are still not getting your question answered after reading those right--ups.

Well I will not presume that everyone can understand everything at the same time, there are actually differences in understanding or comprehension.

YOUR QUESTION WAS:
"What I want to know is what happens to the elect if after accepting Christ and he or she continuous living in Sin?"

First, I want you to know that a Christian is not a child of God, born of God, because he is faultless but because he is begotten of His seed, His Word, by accepting Jesus in his life, and can only maintain it by consistently remaining in his profession.

Hebrews 4:14
[14]Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

All we need is to hold fast our profession, that is, maintain your faith, heart and mouth, declaration that Jesus is your Lord and saviour.

Now to your question:
A Christian is not expected to manufacture good Character in order to be holy but to produce a fruit of righteous, the righteousness which he got from Jesus Christ by professing him as lord and saviour. Remember, the good deeds you are expecting is the fruit, the outward disposition of the inward personality which was made possible by new birth; that outward disposition or fruit is not what makes or keeps us a Christian, but it is what we produce because of who we already are.

Galatians 5:22-23
[22]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


This scripture tells us that the fruit, the good characters are the aura of the everlasting life in us already.

*What if a Christian does not have this aura?*

Well, the fact is that every Christian has it but in different degrees based on individual maturity. Just as Jesus teaches:

Matthew 13:8-9
[8]But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
[9]Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Jesus here is teaching that every seed, word of life, that falls on a good ground, on the hearts of the elect, will surely produce though in different capacity as a result of the manure, the teachings, received into the soil, the heart of elect.

My dear, no Christian is a sinner and cannot lose out from their salvation because of some ugly character. That ugly character is not a sign of damnation rather a sign of immaturity which could only be dealt with through the proper teaching of the righteousness of Christ already in them.

We, the elect, can not be seen by God as sinner no matter what; because our righteousness is not ours but Christ's--God sees the righteousness of Christ in us not our own righteousness.

Galatians 3:27
[27]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Colossians 1:27
[27]To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:


We have put on Christ, Christ in you and Christ on you where will the sin be? Hence:

Galatians 3:27
[27]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Colossians 1:27
[27]To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

We have put on Christ, Christ in you and Christ on you where will the sin be? Hence:

Colossians 1:21-22
[21]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[22]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

The preaching of the gospel an outstretching to get people believe and accept this unmerited gift of God; that is why it's a good news other than that, it's a bad new.

Romans 5:17
17]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

The above scripture says, "]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one;" : which means that the evil in the world emanates by the act of one man, Adam.

In other word, you don't have to do evil to experience evil, there is evil already with you by the deed of the man, Adam.

Then the Holy Spirit concluded that verse by saying, "much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)".

Thus, per what Jesus has done, every believer--they which have received, not worked for, abundant of grace and of gift, not acquired or achieved but received the gift, of righteousness shall reign in life by one Jesus.

The problem is that many believe that they were born a sinner without committing any sin in their mother's womb, and they also believe that having been born a sinner, because of what Adam did when they were not even created, what Adam did affected them and could not come out of it, no matter how much good work they did or do.

But the same people cannot believe that what Jesus has done has affected them, having been born again in Christ.
They believe their good deeds could not or can not brought them out from where Adam's kept them.

but the same people believe that their actions can destroy what Jesus has done for them and brought them out from the righteousness Jesus has given to them.

In essence, what they are saying is that what Adam did is more potent than what Jesus has done.

IT IS QUITE PATHETIC!

MY DEAR, RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RECEIVED; IT'S NOT WORKED FOR. JUST RECEIVE IT TODAY AND CONTINUE TO ENJOY.

I would also recomend that you read this my post, it is more detailed:
https://www.nairaland.com/5308210/pastor-george-oyoke-true-explanation#80387448

You people have turn this teaching into a fight between one region and another. Please give your contributions or comments, instead of fight.

Thanks.

Wizy123:
What I want to know is what happens to the elect if after accepting Christ and he or she continuous living in Sin?

Your questions tell me you haven't read the messages; read them and you will understand.

Don't be some people who say, "Nobody can convince me". Of cause, nobody can convince them if they do not want to accept the obvious.

Even in the law court, no one is asked to convince anybody; the court only requires that one should prove his case beyond any reasonable doubt--because there will always be some unreasonable doubters, and no one dares to change them.

Don't be one of them[b]. I know you are not. [/b]The gospel is all about increase in knowledge, instead of arguments. For one to increase in knowledge his mind must be receptive.

The Master never asked us to make sure we get everyone convinced; no. He only asked us to preach the gospel to all nations with two conditions: one to preachers and one to hearers.

TO PREACHERS, HE SAYS:
2 Timothy 2:14-15
[14]Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
[15]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

TO HEARERS, HE SAY:
James 1:21
[21]Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

It is true we should be careful about what we hear and accept, but we should do it Bible way, not our own way. The Bible say prove all things and hold fast that which is good; not reject all things.

1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
[19]Quench not the Spirit.
[20]Despise not prophesyings.
[21]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

I encourage you to prove me by comparing my writings with the scriptures, the gospel: that's the reason I quote scriptures to establish whatever I say. Don't prove my writings with what you know or what your pastors tell you. No. The highest authority is the WORD, THE BIBLE.

Read them with open mindedness and you will see I have rightly divided the word of truth.


Thanks my Dear

Wizy123:
Bros with the bolded, are you saying that even if the elected finally receives Christ and later rejects Christ that they will still make heaven

Thanks for reading, but you should have read the part two for comprehensive understanding.

All the same, to answer your question:

PLEASE, TAKE NOTE OF THE BOLDED:

If they can reject Jesus, then, they were never the elects: the reason they are the elects is simply because through the foreknowledge of God he new that thy can't but believe and continue to believe, nothing can make them to give up on Christ according to the word of the master himself:

John 10:25-30
[25]Jesus replied: I have told you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father's name are my witness;
[26]but you do not believe, because you are no sheep of mine.
[27]The sheep that belong to me listen to my voice; I know them and they follow me.
[28]I give them eternal life; they will never be lost and no one will ever steal them from my hand.
[29]The Father, for what he has given me, is greater than anyone, and no one can steal anything from the Father's hand.
[30]The Father and I are one.

John 6:60-71
[60]After hearing it, many of his followers said, 'This is intolerable language. How could anyone accept it?'
[61]Jesus was aware that his followers were complaining about it and said, 'Does this disturb you?
[62]What if you should see the Son of man ascend to where he was before?
[63]'It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh has nothing to offer. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
[64]'But there are some of you who do not believe.' For Jesus knew from the outset who did not believe and who was to betray him.
[65]He went on, 'This is why I told you that no one could come to me except by the gift of the Father.'
[66]After this, many of his disciples went away and accompanied him no more.
[67]Then Jesus said to the Twelve, 'What about you, do you want to go away too?'
[68]Simon Peter answered, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the message of eternal life,
[69]and we believe; we have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.'
[70]Jesus replied to them, 'Did I not choose the Twelve of you? Yet one of you is a devil.'
[71]He meant Judas son of Simon Iscariot, since this was the man, one of the Twelve, who was to betray him.

Then you may ask me, what about Judas?

Even though the above scripture answers the question, you can also read this scriptures:

John 17:12
[12]While I was with them[b], I kept those you had given me true to your name. I have watched over them and not one is lost except one who was destined to be lost, and this was to fulfil the scriptures.[/b]

Therefore the elects cannot miss heaven that is why there is no judgement for them for judgement is not necessary, since they are already saved. Judgement is not needed to determine their salvation hence no judgement:

John 3:18
[18]No one who believes in him will be judged; but whoever does not believe is judged already, because that person does not believe in the Name of God's only Son.

John 5:24
[24]In all truth I tell you, whoever listens to my words, and believes in the one who sent me, has eternal life; without being brought to judgement such a person has passed from death to life.

ONE SAVE IS FOREVER SAVED

PLEASE START FROM THE PREVIOUS PART, ONE.

https://www.nairaland.com/5293182/pastor-george-oyoke-one-save#80125433

What if they hear the gospel and do not believe it.

If they were the elect, they have to believe the gospel; if they don’t, then they are not the elect—the elect must hear and believe the gospel, it may not happen the first time they heard the gospel but eventually they will believe and be saved.

What about if the gospel doesn’t come to them?

If they are the elect and lived after the resurrection of Christ, God must surely make the gospel available to them, otherwise his foreknowledge is not to be taking seriously.

John 10:15-16
[15]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
[16]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

‘I must' is the cardinal word in the above Scripture; he must bring in his sheep, the elect. It doesn’t matter what it will take Christ to make it happen, that is what it takes to be a saviour.

Paul understood this and he wrote:

2 Timothy 2:10
[10]Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

In conclusion, it is clear that our salvation is completely free and does not need any support from us to perfect or sustain it.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Notwithstanding, I want us to know that there is different between salvation (righteousness)and godliness or right living. Every Christian has equal salvation (righteousness) but every Christian does not have equal godliness or right living.
The righteousness every Christian has is a gift of Jesus Christ's own righteousness which cannot be increased or decreased through actions or inactions; it’s either you have it or you don’t have it. No one can increase the very righteousness of Christ; if you do, then you would be more righteous than Jesus Christ, which is not possible. What every Christian is using is one size of righteousness, the righteousness of Christ Jesus.

Romans 5:17
[17]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
1 Corinthians 1:29-30
[29]That no flesh should glory in his presence.
[30]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Fruits of righteousness or godliness is the outshining of our new nature or our new life in Christ Jesus. This godliness is not the fruits of our efforts or decision making; it is the manifestation of Christ through the Holy Spirit, overshadowing our outward nature and character. This manifestation increases as we grow or mature in Christ. It does not happen overnight; it takes time; it is a gradual process until it takes over our natural characters.

Jesus puts it this way:

Matthew 13:33
[33]Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.


According to Jesus, the kingdom of God(the Seed of God in us)continues to overshadow our outward nature till our outward nature is totally engulfed by the God’s Seed in us.

1 John 3:9
[9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Philippians 1:9-11
[9]And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
[10]That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
[11]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

In the new testament, contextually, there is no place the bible tells saints to become righteous, because they are already righteous and can not sin thus Paul tells them to be filled with the fruit of righteousness; he did not ask them to try and become righteous.

What is the different between a sinner and a righteous?

What people don’t know is that righteousness is not determined by your actions or inactions but by being born righteous. Before one can be righteous, he must be born again, and by being born again you have right standing with God.

To have right standing with God you must repent from dead works or services.

Hebrews 6:1
[1]Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,


but before you can do that your heart must be washed with the blood of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 9:13-14
[13]For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
[14]How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

When this happens, the bible describes it as been Baptist by one Spirit into one body (body of Jesus) and are made to drink into one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13
[13]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

When you have this experiences, it’s evidence that you’re in Christ, you are a new creature in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17
[17]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

What does being in Christ has to do with my doing a living work to God?

When you are not in Christ, you are dead as well as your works, and God will not receive your work for he is not the God of the dead but the living.

Matthew 22:32
[32]I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Because Adam died through disobedient, everyone who descended from him as the first man were/are born sinners and in sin.


Psalms 51:5
[5]Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Romans 3:23
[23]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Thus the only way to be righteous is to be covered with the Spirit of Christ that we may do services to God by the Spirit, without which our services are not living and can not be acceptable to God.

Even Jesus had to offer himself to God by the Holy Spirt if hadn’t he wouldn’t have been accepted of God.

Hebrews 9:14
[14]How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Jesus had to offer his blood to God through the eternal Spirit because that is the only way God can accept something from anybody.
When you do anything in the Holy Spirit, it is acceptable to God, and it cannot be sinful, no matter what it is.

Matthew 12:3-6
[3]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
[4]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5]Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

Jesus was asking the Jews who accused him of breaking the law whether they have not read of David that went to the temple and ate the showbread which was unlawful for any person to eat but the priest and was sinless. Secondly, he narrated how the priests could profane the Sabbath and remain blameless because they were in the temple, in the presence of God. But he concluded by saying, ‘But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple'.

In other words, David was sinless, even though he broke the law, because he was anointed and couldn’t be an anointed sinner since the presence of God makes wrong right. Likewise, the priests profaned the Sabbath and remained sinless because they were in the temple of God, in the presence of God’s Spirit where sin cannot be found. Then Jesus took another step to shake their theology, he said: he, I Jesus, who is greater(more anointed than the temple)than the temple is here.

In essence, he was saying, if the less anointing of David and the temple could keep them faultless after breaking the law, then the greater anointing on him could do even better.

Read the account of Moses, the prophet:

Exodus 3:2-5
[2]And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
[3]And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
[4]And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
[5]And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

God called unto Moses out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
The question is, what made that mountain holy?
Nothing, the only change was the dissention of the presence of God on the mountain. The mountain was still the same but when the Spirit of the Lord dissended on it the mountain became holy and remains holy till this day.
What do you think the Holy Spirit came into our life to do?
The Holy Spirit came into our life to make us alive and keeps us alive, and to make us righteous and to keep us righteous and faultless. That’s why a Christian cannot sin.
Anybody who is in Christ cannot commit sin because he lives through Christ, he is covered with the Spirit of Christ hence cannot sin.
Romans 8:9
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The above scripture says we are in the Spirit.

Why are we in the Spirit?


1 John 4:9
[9]In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
We are in the Spirit(in Christ) that we might live through the Spirit (Christ). We are not exposed, we are enveloped in Christ that we may live, move and have our being in him.


Acts 17:28
[28]For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
If we are truly in Christ, we cannot offer a dead sacrifice or sin. Christ presents us perfect and unblamable in the presence of God the Father.

Colossians 1:21-22
[21]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[22]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
1 John 3:9
[9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We as saints of God cannot be imputed sin because of this special life and relationship we have with God in Christ Jesus.
Nevertheless, God wants our actions to reflect our inner beauty and perfection through the dominance of the seed of God in us. This dominance of the seed of God over our physical nature and body is what the bible calls fruits of righteousness. God has so designed us that when we work against our nature, it goes a long way to hamper our confidence and boldness in the presence of God emotionally. But God does not attribute sin to the saints because they live contrary to their nature since it’s a result of immaturity and not a sinful nature.
Just as a father would want his young kids to grow up and come to a place of responsibility, God desires that we grow up to the place we can manifest our divine nature instead of tagging us sinners or condemning us when we go off course.We are not trying to do good to be proved good or righteous, that has been acquired for us by God in Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:25-26
[25]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[26]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

In other words, it is an abomination to God when we set to acquire righteousness through works or actions, our righteousness is fully paid for in Christ Jesus.

One of the reasons God wants us to manifest our divinity(I prefer using manifest or manifesting our divine nature instead of using the word sinning or not sinning because a Christian cannot sin but may not be able to live out or manifest his divine nature or characters)is not so that God wouldn't be angry with us but so that we can achieve self-harmony, which is of top most important in our work in Christ. It is all about keeping clear conscience within oneself, not with God, for we have right-standing already with God.


Romans 13:5-6
[5]Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
[6]For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Paul admonishes the saints to avoid insubordination by paying their tribute; then he says, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

In other words, it's not all about avoiding punishment(from authorities)for your insubordination but also about having a good conscience(rightness within yourself, without which you cannot maintain your confidence/boldness before God)hence it is not about God it's about us.

The Bible teaches us to confess our sins that we might be forgiven, not because God wants to forgive us(for he has already forgiven us in Christ before we ever committed the sin) The doctrine of confession of sin helps babies in Christ, who have not yet had the full comprehension of the efficacy of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to maintain their boldness.

The Catholic got it right: the Catholic Church encourages their members to see the priests for confession, if you ask the priests they will tell you, not because the priests are there to forgive them their sins, rather they are there to help them accept the fact that their sins have already been forgiven them. To instill that believe in them, the priests, after the confession, would ask them to do what they call penance, based on how bad the member feels about what he has done, just to get them believe their sins are forgiven them.

Other Churches preaches that everyone can have his sins confessed to God and receive their forgiveness without anyone's help. But what they forget is that Christians do not need confession of sin for that keeps them conscious of sin. The remedy is not confession of sin but the knowledge that a Christian cannot sin and does not need any confession of sin.

In comparison, these two school of though are missing the Mark.

The first knows the truth but they are hiding something from the people. To them, they think if they tell the people straightaway, that God has already forgiven them in Christ, they would withdraw their allegiance and become self sufficient—but that is exactly why Jesus has come, to make us self-sufficient.

Others seem not to understand; they major on confession to God and receiving forgiveness from him. They haven’t yet understood the gospel of justification. They encourage their members to confess their sins and receive forgiveness but fail to understand that Christians do not need forgiveness of sin, since we cannot sin. what Christians need is the knowledge of their permanent righteousness that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 John 1:9
[9]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

When Jesus ministered under the law, he said:

Matthew 6:12
[12]And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

But he also said:

Matthew 5:17-18
[17]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

(Read the Matthew 5:17-18 carefully. I don’t know why most of the people don’t understand this self-explained statement by Jesus)

If you understand the above scripture, you would know that Jesus came not to abolition the law without first having it fulfilled, for the law cannot pass away till it's fulfilled; then he said, I have come to fulfill it, that it might pass away, hence the law has passed away for Jesus has fulfilled it as he said.

How do we know that the law has been fulfilled and abolished?

WATCH OUT FOR NEXT PART!


[b]*Pastor George Oyoke(Trumpet of Life Ministry International)*

ONE SAVE IS FOREVER SAVED

PLEASE START FROM THE PREVIOUS PART, ONE.

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What if they hear the gospel and do not believe it.

If they were the elect, they have to believe the gospel; if they don’t, then they are not the elect—the elect must hear and believe the gospel, it may not happen the first time they heard the gospel but eventually they will believe and be saved.

]What about if the gospel doesn’t come to them?

If they are the elect and lived after the resurrection of Christ, God must surely make the gospel available to them, otherwise his foreknowledge is not to be taking seriously.

John 10:15-16
[15]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
[16]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

‘I must' is the cardinal word in the above Scripture; he must bring in his sheep, the elect. It doesn’t matter what it will take Christ to make it happen, that is what it takes to be a saviour.

Paul understood this and he wrote:

2 Timothy 2:10
[10]Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

In conclusion, it is clear that our salvation is completely free and does not need any support from us to perfect or sustain it.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Notwithstanding, I want us to know that there is different between salvation (righteousness)and godliness or right living. Every Christian has equal salvation (righteousness) but every Christian does not have equal godliness or right living.
The righteousness every Christian has is a gift of Jesus Christ's own righteousness which cannot be increased or decreased through actions or inactions; it’s either you have it or you don’t have it. No one can increase the very righteousness of Christ; if you do, then you would be more righteous than Jesus Christ, which is not possible. What every Christian is using is one size of righteousness, the righteousness of Christ Jesus.

Romans 5:17
[17]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
1 Corinthians 1:29-30
[29]That no flesh should glory in his presence.
[30]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Fruits of righteousness or godliness is the outshining of our new nature or our new life in Christ Jesus. This godliness is not the fruits of our efforts or decision making; it is the manifestation of Christ through the Holy Spirit, overshadowing our outward nature and character. This manifestation increases as we grow or mature in Christ. It does not happen overnight; it takes time; it is a gradual process until it takes over our natural characters.

Jesus puts it this way:
Matthew 13:33
[33]Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

According to Jesus, the kingdom of God(the Seed of God in us)continues to overshadow our outward nature till our outward nature is totally engulfed by the God’s Seed in us.
1 John 3:9
[9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Philippians 1:9-11
[9]And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
[10]That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
[11]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

In the new testament, contextually, there is no place the bible tells saints to become righteous, because they are already righteous and can not sin thus Paul tells them to be filled with the fruit of righteousness; he did not ask them to try and become righteous.

What is the different between a sinner and a righteous?

What people don’t know is that righteousness is not determined by your actions or inactions but by being born righteous. Before one can be righteous, he must be born again, and by being born again you have right standing with God.

To have right standing with God you must repent from dead works or services.

Hebrews 6:1
[1]Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

but before you can do that your heart must be washed with the blood of Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 9:13-14
[13]For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
[14]How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

When this happens, the bible describes it as been Baptist by one Spirit into one body (body of Jesus) and are made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13
[13]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

When you have this experiences, it’s evidence that you’re in Christ, you are a new creature in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17
[17]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

What does being in Christ has to do with my doing a living work to God?

When you are not in Christ, you are dead as well as your works, and God will not receive your work for he is not the God of the dead but the living.

Matthew 22:32
[32]I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Because Adam died through disobedient, everyone who descended from him as the first man were/are born sinners and in sin.


Psalms 51:5
[5]Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Romans 3:23
[23]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Thus the only way to be righteous is to be covered with the Spirit of Christ that we may do services to God by the Spirit, without which our services are not living and can not be acceptable to God.

Even Jesus had to offer himself to God by the Holy Spirt if hadn’t he wouldn’t have been accepted of God.
Hebrews 9:14
[14]How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Jesus had to offer his blood to God through the eternal Spirit because that is the only way God can accept something from anybody.
When you do anything in the Holy Spirit, it is acceptable to God, and it cannot be sinful, no matter what it is.

Matthew 12:3-6
[3]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
[4]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5]Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

Jesus was asking the Jews who accused him of breaking the law whether they have not read of David that went to the temple and ate the showbread which was unlawful for any person to eat but the priest and was sinless. Secondly, he narrated how the priests could profane the Sabbath and remain blameless because they were in the temple, in the presence of God. But he concluded by saying, ‘But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple'.

In other words, David was sinless, even though he broke the law, because he was anointed and couldn’t be an anointed sinner since the presence of God makes wrong right. Likewise, the priests profaned the Sabbath and remained sinless because they were in the temple of God, in the presence of God’s Spirit where sin cannot be found. Then Jesus took another step to shake their theology, he said: he, I Jesus, who is greater(more anointed than the temple)than the temple is here.

In essence, he was saying, if the less anointing of David and the temple could keep them faultless after breaking the law, then the greater anointing on him could do even better.

Read the account of Moses, the prophet:

Exodus 3:2-5
[2]And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
[3]And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
[4]And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
[5]And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

God called unto Moses out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
The question is, what made that mountain holy?
Nothing, the only change was the dissention of the presence of God on the mountain. The mountain was still the same but when the Spirit of the Lord dissended on it the mountain became holy and remains holy till this day.
What do you think the Holy Spirit came into our life to do?
The Holy Spirit came into our life to make us alive and keeps us alive, and to make us righteous and to keep us righteous and faultless. That’s why a Christian cannot sin.
Anybody who is in Christ cannot commit sin because he lives through Christ, he is covered with the Spirit of Christ hence cannot sin.
Romans 8:9
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The above scripture says we are in the Spirit.
Why are we in the Spirit?
1 John 4:9
[9]In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
We are in the Spirit(in Christ) that we might live through the Spirit (Christ). We are not exposed, we are enveloped in Christ that we may live, move and have our being in him.

Acts 17:28
[28]For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
If we are truly in Christ, we cannot offer a dead sacrifice or sin. Christ presents us perfect and unblamable in the presence of God the Father.
Colossians 1:21-22
[21]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[22]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
1 John 3:9
[9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We as saints of God cannot be imputed sin because of this special life and relationship we have with God in Christ Jesus.
Nevertheless, God wants our actions to reflect our inner beauty and perfection through the dominance of the seed of God in us. This dominance of the seed of God over our physical nature and body is what the bible calls fruits of righteousness. God has so designed us that when we work against our nature, it goes a long way to hamper our confidence and boldness in the presence of God emotionally. But God does not attribute sin to the saints because they live contrary to their nature since it’s a result of immaturity and not a sinful nature.
Just as a father would want his young kids to grow up and come to a place of responsibility, God desires that we grow up to the place we can manifest our divine nature instead of tagging us sinners or condemning us when we go off course.We are not trying to do good to be proved good or righteous, that has been acquired for us by God in Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:25-26
[25]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[26]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

In other words, it is an abomination to God when we set to acquire righteousness through works or actions, our righteousness is fully paid for in Christ Jesus.

One of the reasons God wants us to manifest our divinity(I prefer using manifest or manifesting our divine nature instead of using the word sinning or not sinning because a Christian cannot sin but may not be able to live out or manifest his divine nature or characters)is not so that God wouldn't be angry with us but so that we can achieve self-harmony, which is of top most important in our work in Christ. It is all about keeping clear conscience within oneself, not with God, for we have right-standing already with God.


Romans 13:5-6
[5]Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
[6]For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Paul admonishes the saints to avoid insubordination by paying their tribute; then he says, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

In other words, it's not all about avoiding punishment(from authorities)for your insubordination but also about having a good conscience(rightness within yourself, without which you cannot maintain your confidence/boldness before God)hence it is not about God it's about us.

The Bible teaches us to confess our sins that we might be forgiven, not because God wants to forgive us(for he has already forgiven us in Christ before we ever committed the sin) The doctrine of confession of sin helps babies in Christ, who have not yet had the full comprehension of the efficacy of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to maintain their boldness.

The Catholic got it right: the Catholic Church encourages their members to see the priests for confession, if you ask the priests they will tell you, not because the priests are there to forgive them their sins, rather they are there to help them accept the fact that their sins have already been forgiven them. To instill that believe in them, the priests, after the confession, would ask them to do what they call penance, based on how bad the member feels about what he has done, just to get them believe their sins are forgiven them.

Other Churches preaches that everyone can have his sins confessed to God and receive their forgiveness without anyone's help. But what they forget is that Christians do not need confession of sin for that keeps them conscious of sin. The remedy is not confession of sin but the knowledge that a Christian cannot sin and does not need any confession of sin.

In comparison, these two school of though are missing the Mark.

The first knows the truth but they are hiding something from the people. To them, they think if they tell the people straightaway, that God has already forgiven them in Christ, they would withdraw their allegiance and become self sufficient—but that is exactly why Jesus has come, to make us self-sufficient.

Others seem not to understand; they major on confession to God and receiving forgiveness from him. They haven’t yet understood the gospel of justification. They encourage their members to confess their sins and receive forgiveness but fail to understand that Christians do not need forgiveness of sin, since we cannot sin. what Christians need is the knowledge of their permanent righteousness that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 John 1:9
[9]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

When Jesus ministered under the law, he said:

Matthew 6:12
[12]And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

But he also said:

Matthew 5:17-18
[17]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

(Read the Matthew 5:17-18 carefully. I don’t know why most of the people don’t understand this self-explained statement by Jesus)

If you understand the above scripture, you would know that Jesus came not to abolition the law without first having it fulfilled, for the law cannot pass away till it's fulfilled; then he said, I have come to fulfill it, that it might pass away, hence the law has passed away for Jesus has fulfilled it as he said.

How do we know that the law has been fulfilled and abolished?

WATCH OUT FOR NEXT PART!


*Pastor George Oyoke(Trumpet of Life Ministry International)*

Dafemich:
You just made a mistake. That verse didn't say faith in the son of God, it says that faith of the son of God. They are two different things. Faith of the son of God shows us that this faith is not ours, it is of the Lord Jesus Christ. it is not what we believe that make us overcome sin, it is what the Lord Jesus Christ has done. I didn't say we don't need faith to overcome sin, I was trying to make you see this point. We overcome sin, by believing in the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are to believe that since the Lord Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead as a human being, we also can overcome sin as human being. Our ability to overcome sin comes from the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead as a human being. And because He resurrected from the dead as a human being, we can live a victorious live over sin as a human being. This should be our believe. That is why Apostle Paul said, the life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God (Gal 2:20)

So what is the faith of Jesus.

Janosky:
The OP is lying us that Judas Iscariot is saved !
Even Ananias and Saphirah are saved.
Satanic junk indeed !

Take it easy my dear; this is all about sharing knowledge and insight in the knowledge of the mind of God.

God wants us to know this things for our own good.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
[3]For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
[4]Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

TO ADDRESS YOUR POINTS:

JUDAS
I don't know your understanding of Judas and his salvation but one thing is certain: we should substantiate our points with the scriptures.

Judas was not saved and couldn't have been saved at his time. According to the scriptures, not only him but also every other person did not have what it takes to be saved. For any body to be saved Jesus has to die and resurrect from the dead.

Hebrews 9:16-17
[16]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[17]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

In other words, Jesus didn't save anybody when he walked on the face of the earth as the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Jesus had no everlasting life to give anybody hence he could not save anybody.

John 4:13-14
[13]Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
[14]But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

"springing up into everlasting life.", he says. Jesus didn't say, the water I shall give you is the everlasting life. No. He said it will "spring up into everlasting life.".

To wit, what Jesus gave to those he ministered to was a special grace that they might accept the full gospel which he himself could not even preach, because of the legalities surrounding his ministry.

At one time he was asked what shall we do to inherit eternal life?:

Mark 10:17-19
[17]And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

He answered:

Mark 10:18-19
[18]And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
[19]Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

But don't forget, he demanded something more than the law if the young man wanted to be perfect, meaning the law does not make anyone perfect hence follow me--he said.

Mark 10:20-21
[20]And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
[21]Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Jesus does not make us better, good or very good as God made Adam. We are made greater than Adam because we cannot sin but Adam could sin.

Genesis 1:27-31
[27]So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28]And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
[29]And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[30]And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
[31]And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

He makes us perfect, meaning we cannot seen if we remain in him.

Colossians 1:21-23
[21]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[22]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
[23]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

At the other time he was asked the same question:

John 6:28-29
[28]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

He answered:
John 6:29
[29]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

WHY?

LEGALITIES! PRINCIPLES! IT IS CALLED THE DISPENSATION OF THE FULLNESS OF TIME!

Ephesians 1:10
[10]That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Colossians 1:25
[25]Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Base on these, Judas was not saved and could not have been saved.

John 13:10-11
[10]Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
[11]For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

If you speed read this scripture, you would say: then the other apostles, except Judas, were saved at the time of Jesus but that is not true.

Here Jesus is addressing many issues at the same time. He is not saying that one, Judas, the betrayer, is not saved and others are. No. That would defeat the purpose of his death.

If he could save anybody while alive, what is the need of his death and resurrection.

He said they were washed but, the one,the betrayer, was not washed. That does not imply that the ones washed was saved because christians are not only washed, we have a better and great experience with Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:11
[11]And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 4:25
[25]Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Hebrews 10:14
[14]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

All this happened through his death and resurrection not by his, Jesus’ preaching, he had to die before these could happen.


He was saying that the special grace(grace to accept the good news when it eventually comes)was already working in some(the elects) but not in one(Judas, the betrayer--am repeating myself because of you).

What is that grace?

It is the washing of water by the word; to be more specific, it is the word in them.

Acts 20:32
[32]And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

John 15:3
[3]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Ephesians 5:25-26
[25]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[26]That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

John 4:13-14
[13]Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
[14]But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Obviously, Jesus was not carrying any water, he was carrying the word of God.

Therefore, nobody was saved until the resurrection, on the day of Pentecost.

John 7:37-39
[37]In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
[38]He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
[39](But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Romans 8:9
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Luke 24:48-49
[48]And ye are witnesses of these things.
[49]And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

1 John 5:10-13
[10]He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[11]And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
[12]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
[13]These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

ANANIAS AND SAPHIRAH

In Christianity, I don't no how to say it so that people will get it, basics are very important. The problem is that everybody thinks he knows too much because he is following many preachrers on the internet.

But you see, those things they hear them say, they don't know why those statement are made.

We all need the basics because we cannot get to perfection without getting to understand the basics.

Today the opposite is the case.

Hebrews 6:1-3
[1]Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[2]Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
[3]And this will we do, if God permit.

There is such a thing as basics; if you don't know them you are going up to come down; but if you do know them, it does not matter how long it takes you you will surely over take those who took off without it.

In Christianity, we don't do anything to keep or sevice our salvation. We are not suppose to help Jesus to save us if he is the saviour indeed.

I wouldn't be written must, I have already did. I will be given one or two scriptures in addition to the ones you have read already and am done.

Galatians 2:19-21
[19]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[20]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[21]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

The problem is that their are many contradictions in the church(am not talking about one church contradicting the other; am talk about a pastor contradicting himself).

Look at the teaching of grace, for instance:

The general explanation or defination of grace is unmerited favour.
The question now is if grace is unmerited favour, doesn't that suggest that we don't do anything to keep our salvation if it is given to us by grace.

Watch this too:
They say God loves believers unconditionally (“agape” love). The same people are telling us that if you do this or that you are doomed. If it is unconstitutional why are conditions attached to it? You can ask them yourself.

Bunch of contradiction.

The ‘craftness’ of it is that it looks right on the surface.

How do we know the truth?

We should read our Bible.

The bible says that the only way one can go to hell is when he disbelieves in Jesus as the son of God, lord and saviour. If this is settled, dealt with, other things will be taken care of by the one we believe in(that is why he is the saviour, for crying out loud).

This is what the Bible says:

John 3:18,36
[18]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[36]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 5:24
[24]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Base on these, the words of the master himself, if Ananias and Sapphirah truly believed in the lordship of Jesus then the truth is that they are saved. The lying out fear of the provision or Confort of the future because of their little knowledge of the abilities of God can not deny them heaven.

Some people did more than that and they were assured of heaven on the of the lord, only that they may have some problems on their flesh because of their inability to live according to their nature not because God will punish them.

1 Corinthians 5:1-5
[1]It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
[2]And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[3]For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
[4]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[5]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Paul was not talking about his repentance here he only demanded that he should be disassociated with the church to avoid contamination.

1 Corinthians 5:6
[6]Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

Then he assured them, those who committed de fornication, the salvationof their spirit/soul in the day of the lord Jesus Christ.

[5]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Remember, I am not asking people to do what people call sin. No. I am only trying to help them out of it by letting them know that a Christian is already holy, and to get it into their mind.

Proverbs 23:7
[7]For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:...

Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

ichuka:
Nice one OP

thanks

ONE SAVED IS FOREVER SAVED

A statement of this kind, normally splits the Church into two parts: one part believes it's blasphemous to say ‘one saved is forever saved’: to them, you have to be doing something to keep servicing your salvation otherwise you will loose it.
While the other group believes that the gospel teaches ‘one saved is forever saved’. In other words, all you need to do is to accept Jesus as your saviour and your salvation is consummated and settled.

You may be waiting to know which group I belong to but the fact is that I am not trying to take side but to teach what the bible has already taught.

The Apostles have extensively dealt with this issue but I will try to elaborate on it a bit.

Romans 8:29-31
[29]For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[30]Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
[31]What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Obviously, Apostle Paul is saying that those who are born again were actually foreknown and predestined by God the Father to enjoy salvation before they were created and born into this world.
In essence, salvation is totally free without human contribution at all; all that is needed is to receive it and keep it by accepting Jesus as your saviour and remain in him as your saviour.

What happens when I do what people call ‘sin', will that not nullify my salvation?

That is actually the problem and the reason I am writing this. The truth is that sin does not nullify salvation(I am not asking you to ‘sin'; after all, if you are a Christian you can't ‘sin',

KJV 1 John 3:9
[9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.)

There are reasons why you shouldn't do what people call sin--it is just for conscience sake, not so that God wouldn't be mad at you. You see, God can't be mad at you for anything because of your salvation in Christ Jesus. If you could ‘sin', according to the gospel, you would only sin when you are trying to do good in order to have right standing with God. For by doing so, you are exempting yourself from the salvation which is freely gotten in the grace that is in Christ Jesus through faith.

Romans 9:30-32
[30]What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
[31]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
[32]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Romans 10:1-4
[1]Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
[2]For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
[3]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[4]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.



Galatians 2:19-21
[19]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[20]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[21]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Notwithstanding, if you are born again and yet trying to gain righteousness through work, you still not forfeited your salvation. It's just that God would be seeing you as a father would see his biological son or daughter trying to do something good to became a son or daughter of his already biological father, which is the very peak of ignorance.
In other words, many Christians are trying to become what they are already; because of the ignorance of who they are hence their unbearable experience in life.

This write-up is actually to help them know that whatever they are trying to get or achieve in God are already rightly theirs in Christ Jesus but they can only enjoy it not by hard work but by the gospel, absolute knowledge of the gospel.

John 8:30-32
[30]As he spake these words, many believed on him.
[31]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
[32]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Ephesians 3:4-6
[4]Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[5]Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[6]That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Permanent salvation is real, and you don't have to do anything to have it but to trust Jesus just as you would trust your rich Dad if he promises to travel with you in his car. I believe you wouldn't be worried about money to buy sufficient fuel if your father loves you and rich enough to fuel the car. In the same way, we should trust Jesus for our salvation knowing that he loves us and has what it takes to see us through.

John 10:25-30
[25]Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
[26]But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
[27]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[30]I and my Father are one.

Jesus in the above scripture, is telling us that ‘one saved is forever saved’; nothing can pluck the saved from his hands(one of the places Jesus boasted of his sufficient power to keep us saved no matter what).
That is exactly what Paul, the Apostle, preached that made him a terror to the kingdom of darkness.

Read this from him:

Hebrews 7:25
[25]Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

To the ‘uttermost’ he says. To Paul, all you need is to believe that Jesus is your saviour and other things would be handled by Jesus himself.

Even common sense tells us that if Jesus would be qualified to be our saviour, he should be able to save us; other wise, if he wants us to help him save us, then I doubt he is the saviour he claims to be. But the good news is that Jesus by the Holy Spirit through Apostle Paul, has vehemently declared his ability to save us even to the uttermost.

The question is how, how could God overlook my sins and save me?

That is a good question; and I have a good answer from God for you.

Romans 3:23-28
[23]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[24]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[25]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[26]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
[27]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
[28]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Verses 25-26 makes it clear that God set forth Jesus as a propitiation for our sins forever, ones committed and ones to be committed.



Hebrews 10:14
[14]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Why did God do that?

He could have waved his hand and say, no sin, I am God, I account to nobody. But that is not how it works, there are laws and principles even God himself cannot override anyhow if he has to remain the righteous God. Therefore, he has to set his beloved son as the atonement for our sins that he might be just and the justifier of those who believe in Jesus. In other words, God gave himself a title(JUSTIFIER OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS).
Brethren, when you are trying to achieve your salvation through work/action, you are actually denying God this title(JUSTIFIER OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS).
It is actually dangerous to do that, don't do it.

Were Jesus and Paul only people that touched this aspect of the gospel?

No, all the Apostles lived and taught it; but I will only take one more glance on the writings of Peter, the Apostle.

1 Peter 1:1-5
[1]Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
[2]Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
[3]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
[4]To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[5]Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

In verse one, Peter calls the saints strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, because the kingdom Jesus prayed for has come and the saints have been initiated into it hence strangers.

Matthew 6:10
[10]Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

In verses two, Peter calls them elect, not elected.

Contextually, is there any different between elect and elected apart from the tenses?

Yes, there is a wide difference apart from the tenses: if Peter had said elected, it would mean that they did something to merit their election; but by using the word elect( people may think of present tense of elected but that is not what he is trying to say or saying) he is saying that they did not work for it neither acquired it, they were born into it or created them elect.

Another illustration could be seen in a different between a born Prince when he becomes a king and the one that campaigned to win kingship(one could loose the kingship, for he was not born king; but the other wouldn't imaging loosing, because it is his birthright).

You can also checkout this vivid example in the Bible:

Acts 22:24-28
[24]The chief captain commanded him to be brought into the castle, and bade that he should be examined by scourging; that he might know wherefore they cried so against him.
[25]And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned?
[26]When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.
[27]Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.
[28]And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

The chief captain came, and said unto Paul, Tell me, are you a Roman? He said, Yes.
And the chief captain answered, With a great sum I obtained this freedom. But Paul said, But I was born free.
Paul didn't know how much it costs to acquire Roman freedom and don't care to know, though he was enjoying the same freedom.

The question is, why?

Because he was born with or in freedom, he didn't need to do anything to acquire freedom hence he didn't care about the cost.

To understand the Holy Ghost through Peter, he wrote: verses 2, ‘elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,...’.

Through the above statements we can clearly understand the illustrations I gave. The saints according to Peter were chosen through the foreknowledge of God, before they were born. As matter of fact, they were created for that purpose, but they must have to hear the gospel and respond to it and when that happens there is no going back to the world(they don't have to do something to maintain it).
What Apostle Peter is saying is that every believer was elected before birth and saved through the acceptance of the gospel(that Jesus is Lord)

Romans 10:9-10
[9]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Let's hear from God himself:

Acts 18:9-10
[9]Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
[10]For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.

God declares that he has much people in that city; therefore Paul should not be afraid but hold not his peace and speak for the salvation of the elect(chosen before birth). The people God says he has were not save at the time Paul was speaking because they hadn’t at that time received the gospel even though they were people of God through his foreknowledge.

What is the foreknowledge of God?

When we speak of the foreknowledge of God, we speak of the God’s ability to know the future of everyone( to be precise, ability to know who will eventually respond to the call of God to salvation through the gospel of Jesus Christ, even before the individual was conceived in his mother’s womb). Those whom God thus foreknow he also calls his elects, his people.

Foreknowledge of God does not imply that God ordained some to be saved and some to be damned(to teach that would mean that God is unjust and would not have the moral right to condemn those who do not believe in the gospel, for it was God himself who denied them salvation).

Romans 9:11-24
[11](For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
[12]It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
[13]As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

The above Scripture does not in anyway imply that God created Esau to hate him and created Jacob to love him; rather through the foreknowledge of God, he new what Esau and Jacob would do and thus his choice of Isaac. That foreknowledge latter unfolded in the life of those two bothers confirming what God has already seen through his foreknowledge.

Those who were foreknown by God, their names were already written in the book of the elect and cannot be cancelled after they had been saved. Therefore, the saved names were already written in the book of the elect through the foreknowledge of God before they were saved. Such people cannot loose their salvation(when they eventually accepts Jesus) which has already been recorded in the book of life.

Luke 10:20
[20]Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Could the elect die without being saved?

To say no would mean that the foreknowledge of God does not matter; if they were truly elect, then God would have considered every conditions before electing them. To say no would also mean that we are rejecting the foreknowledge of God. The fact is that the elects have to be saved, but through the gospel of grace in Christ Jesus.

What if they hear the gospel and do not believe it.

If they were the elect, they have to believe the gospel; if they don’t, then they are not the elect—the elect must hear and believe the gospel, it may not happen the first time they heard the gospel but eventually they will believe and be saved.


TO BE CONTINUED...

WATCH OUT FOR THE NEXT PART

Base on your narration, your explanation, the dream is not a bad one. the revelation is that the enemy, the devil, the fake lion is defeated in your life but unfortunately, as many people do, you are still afraid of them. By this revelation, God is telling you that the enemies are helpless but you should stop being afraid of them.

What constitutes your prays?
Stop praying about the devil as though you want to overcome him, that is wrong, that is the manifestation of fear. Pray knowing that devil is defeated in every regard. It may not make sense to you, especially if you are one of those who believe we are fighting to overcome the enemy, but the fact is that those people does not understand the reality of Christianity.

The bible says:
Hebrews 2:14-15
[14]Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
[15]And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

This scripture is one of the scriptures the holy spirit is given you through the dream you had.

In conclusion, your dream is an information from God to let you know that enemy(I do not say your enemies, because you don't have a personal enemies, the only enemies are the devil and his demons which have been dealt with by Jesus for you. all you need now is to acknowledge that and live by it hence the dream)are paralysed, they are helpless, though they may be proving to be otherwise, God is letting you know that you shouldn't give them attention.

TAKE NOTE:
A dream of this kind comes at the time you are about to make some kind of decision or taking a new step. If that is your state now, then God is telling you to go ahead and do it, no fears.

Your dream could mean anything, good or bad.

Lion stands for Jesus (good)Revelation 5:5
[5]And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

While faked lion stands for the devil(evil)1 Peter 5:8
[8]Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

To understand your dream, you should be able to describe your experience in the dream, such as, where were you going in the dream when you saw the lions? were you afraid when you saw them? were they angry with you? were they weak? were they afraid of you? and so on.

without the above requirements it is just impossible to give you the accurate meaning of your dream.

people may give you their assumptions but I believe that is not what you want.

So you need to provide those requirements, as much as you can.