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deezzle:
I want to remain anonymous please. thank you.

You can answer questions 2 - 6 and still remain anonymous, your excellency!


Otherwise: ban!!

Hey hey! What happened to the other thread?!

9 months later. . .

Whatever happened to the handshakes?!

@cgift

I'm not a good student of History, neither am I so versed in the Bible anymore (long story), but I find your views quite interesting.  So you mean, Noah gave birth to three children who belonged to different races?

By the way, I think Noah was an highly irresponsible man, going by what transpired in Genesis 9:21-25.

[quote author=na2day? link=topic=35449.msg1847091#msg1847091 date=1200207273]na wa for una for this nairaland oooooo! this is 2008, and u are already looking for an excuse for your weaknesses, rather than trying to work on it. keep giving yourself excuse oooo and later come and complain that he broke your heart, you hear![/quote]Err. . . bros, this thread was started 1 year and 2 days ago.

spoilt:
even if your marriage wasnt done in the church it doesnt mean you arent married. A marriage is a marriage dammit.

I concur, absolutely.

@topic

Well, Ronaldo did the same thing today too!

One United.

Oh God! Not this "Black" and "White" thingy again!

White wedding = pure

"Black" wedding? = ??

I am still very much amazed at the level the people here have taken Dangote's comment to.

I think the problem we're having here is that most people are reading the title of this thread as an encapsulation of his whole statement altogether.  I hereby implore you haters to stop ranting, read the interview yourselves, and you'll see where he's coming from.

Dangote was not explicitly comparing himself to Oprah.  In reality, he was only comparing his worth to that of the supposed richest black person in the world, which could have been anybody.  The fact he did not consider himself as the richest man in Africa, simply means that he considered the possibilty of some other Africans being richer than himself.  However, his main contention in that statement he made simply, is that, he is definitely worth much more than $1.5bn - and that is a fact!

@ topic:

The way some people on this forum reason these days, is really alarming.  Alhaji Aliko Dangote was asked a simple question about his wealth, and if studied carefully, the response he gave was a very very humble one, but unfortunately, most people here have chosen to interprete it as otherwise, and even a few others have resorted to calling him names just for being rich?   I'm not really surprised though, owing to the fact that Nigerians, generally, are known to be enemies of progress.

Let me just get one thing across to you all here.  It is not the responsibilty of any independently rich man in any country to put food on the table of the average citizen.  It is definitely not his responsibility to cater for the poor.  Catering for the poor is completely a voluntary action, and not something you're obligated to do once you're rich.  Aliko Dangote may not be as philantropic as his international counterparts, but he has definitely done more good than he would have, if all he has just been doing is "giving to the poor".

Remember the popular saying?  "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day.  But teach him how to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."  Dangote has been doing just the latter.

One more thing:  The real issue here is whether he's really worth more than $1.5bn (as in monetary evaluation, pecuniary analysis, etc), hence richer than Winfrey Oprah, and not whether he is kinder or nicer or more philantropic than Oprah.  Geddit?

Thank you.

To the best of my knowledge, there are quite a number of white garment churches around.  Unfortunately, most people always tend to classify them all as ONE.

Celestial Church of Christ (CCC or 'Cele' for short), which happens to be one of them, has been discussed previously on this forum, and most issues raised here have been thrashed out already.  Further discussions on CCC alone should continue here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-10001.0.html

P. S.  It is completely fatuous to cast aspersions on churches, based on hearsay's and sentiments.  Please let's be sensible and mature when passing comments.

Thanks.

@ topic:

A similar topic was raised earlier this year, and shahan did an excellent job in explaining eruditely, the various roles of both men and women in and out of the church.

The Bible is very clear on this issue. In as much as both men and women were created equally, they still have different responsibilities as regards their service towards God. As TV01 said previously, it inverts divine order for a woman to lead a church. That was why Timothy had to remind us that Adam [man] was created before Eve [woman] (1 Tim 2:13). Women sure do have very important roles to perform in the church, but that leadership role is a 'no go' area for them.

So as for the question posed, I also share the same sentiments with babyosisi.

Can I attend a church led by a woman? - If I'm invited, why not?
Can I be a member? - Most probably not.

@ the feminists in the house: This is no chavinism. It's the commandment of God. (1 Cor 14:37).

Regards.

@bari_kade,

[quote author=bari_kade link=topic=60256.msg1210088#msg1210088 date=1182027239]@goodguy,

Lol, don't be surprised that the few previous entries did not make mention of the verse you offered - which is good, because everyone has something that adds to the general body of knowledge.[/quote]No mind me jare. I actually consider a lot of people on this board far more intelligent and knowledgeable than I am, and that was why I was a bit surprised that no one made mention of the first and only verse that popped in my mind upon seeing the title of the thread.

[quote author=bari_kade link=topic=60256.msg1210088#msg1210088 date=1182027239]I was looking at the topic concerns as well when I responded; and the question that popped in my mind was this: is the topic addressing men's long hair; or rather their weaving the hair?

Believe me, I've seen guys with short hair also weave theirs; not to even mention that they add the accessories: earrings, handkies (used as scarfs) and all.[/quote]I also felt there would be a contention as to whether that verse was referring to 'weaving' or just simply keeping long hair. But then, I didn't think of the possibility of any one with short hair weaving their hair, that's why I felt that verse is pertinent to the subject matter.

Maybe we should start by defining how short a weaved short hair really is. Certainly not like mine.

@ Topic,

I have also wondered about this same issue, but I often choose to stand aloof whenever the matter arises.  I actually think, afterall, the Jesus that has always been depicted to us is shown to have long hairs.  So why can't we?  But that aside, I'm quite surprised no one made any reference to the teachings of Paul in 1 Cor 11.

mrpataki:
Can we find anywhere in the bible where this issue is addressed?

1 Cor 11:14, 16 (NIV) -

¹⁴Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him . . . ¹⁶If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.


Regards.

Hi charka

charka:
I'D ADVISE You DONT LEAD PPLE ASTRAY WITH YOUR EXPLANATION. WE ARE SO LAZY SPIRITUALLY THAT WE DONT WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING ON THIS EARTH.

Point well noted. But please, note that I have not declared myself an authority over this subject, as I do not even see myself as such. I explained in the best way I could, and if you feel the need for any correction, that will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the advice anyway.

charka:
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WILL OF GOD IS. YOU FIRST OF STRIVE TO KNOW HIS WILL THEN You STRIVE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO THAT WILL

We really can't tell what the exact will of God is for us; that's why we have to pray for that will of His to manifest in our lives, so that we can live according to it.

charka:
THE SAME LAZINESS AM TALKING ABOUT, YOU HAVE REMOVED THE OTHER PHRASE IN THE EXPLANATION as we forgive our debtors by this we are telling GOD that HE shouldnt forgive us until we have forgiven those that hurt us. this should make u not hold grudge against your neighbour

I agree. You'll have to pardon me for that exclusion. Not that I didn't acknowledge it though, I only felt the need to explain just the essence of asking for forgiveness, since the latter part of the statement is already self-explanatory, I believe.

charka:
i would av loved to explain that but many people wont understand moreover it would take a whole day and would provoke a lot of things.

We would also have loved to read your explanation on this topic. I personally would want to read a kind explanation on the subject matter at hand, that will take a whole day to do. But really, what makes you think "many people" will not understand?

Looking forward to your reply.

Regards.

Hello again, Aproko

Aproko:
@goodguy,

am i a christain? NO. why? because as much as i try to live like christ, i find out that i am more human so to speak than he was on earth and some times i fall short of being called christlike. so am not christlike but striving to be one.

I guess we're in the same shoe here. But by religion, you're a still a Christian nonetheless.

Aproko:
have i read the book of hebrews? oh yes. do i make reference to it? not in my every day life, so i would say no.

So far you believe in some parts of Hebrews and apply them to your life, then there should be no basis to discard other parts of the same book, just because you want your arguments to be favoured.

Aproko:
and which is more importantant the message or the writer? both because the writer may not have been there when jesus whom he seeks to write about was praying, so i ask, where did he get his gist?

If the message is true, then whoever wrote it shouldn't be much of an issue. Moses wasn't present at the time of creation, but he's still regarded as the writer of Genesis. In any case, I guess your argument here seems to want to doubt the veracity of the book of Hebrews for the mere fact that the writer is unknown. But then again, read these verses and reconsider your stance:

2 Timothy 3:16 -
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

2 Peter 1:21 -
". . . but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

1 Thessalonians 2:13 -
"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe."

Aproko:
if jesus had written anything down that would have been a different story, but when you are writing about aproko and yet you have never met aproko, the only question my dear good guy is how did you know? your name na aproko abi aproko na your sister?

I don't need to meet you to write about you. If I've gathered enough info about you from an infallible and reliable source, writing a whole book on you shouldn't be a difficult task.

Aproko:
jesus christ said, if ye must pray, pray then like this - the lords prayer. (and thanks for saying it all over again)

so why then do i have to 'jump up and down?'

Truly, Jesus never asked us to "jump up and down" while praying, just as He never commanded us to do a whole lot of things, such as closing our eyes to pray, crying while singing, using drumsets in church, wearing clothes to church, driving a car to church, or even having ceiling fans in our churches! My point? - It's not a matter of being commanded to do certain things or not. As I said before, the "jumping up and down" thing is just a mere expression of their ecstatic state at that very moment. And as much as some of us may find it disturbing atimes (myself included), we should not be too quick to castigate those that do their thing during prayers, especially as we ourselves, are still striving so hard to be Christ-like.

Regards.

Hi Aproko,

Aproko:
historians do not know who wrote the book of hebrews!!! so if we do not know who wrote the book, how do we really know that jesus offered petition with loud cries and tears??

The messenger or the message - which is more important to you?  Okay, let me ask you:-  Are you a Christian?  If yes, do you have a Bible?  If yes, does your Bible have the book of Hebrews in it?  If yes, do you quote or make reference to any part of it?  If yes, then what's the fuss all about?

Aproko:
again if jesus taught us to pray the lord's prayer, are you inferring that he is contradicting himself by offering petition with loud cries instead of praying as he has taught us?

No, Jesus was not contradicting himself.  As a matter of fact, The Lord's Prayer is simply the model of prayer that Christ taught us.  The Lord's Prayer is far more than just a regular recitation at the end of every gathering.  Jesus only broke it down for us for easier understanding.  He simply surmarized how we should pray to The Lord (more like prayer points).  Let me explain.


Our Father who art in Heaven - Acknowledgement first.  You first of all need to acknowlegde who you're praying to.  Pay obeisance to Him.

Hallowed be thy name - Venerate Him.  Praise Him.  Glorify Him.  Worship Him.

Thy Kingdom come - Acknowledge the 2nd coming of His Kingdom, in which the saints will reign eternally with Him.

Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven - Always ask for God's will to be done in your life (this is one of my regular and major prayer points).  Ask for His guidiance in all you do, so that your deeds will always be in accordance with His will.

Give us this day our daily bread - Then ask Him to provide for your needs, that He should bless you abundantly.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors - Ask for forgiveness of sins.  Ask him to wash away your iniquities and transgressions, as sins committed could really hinder one's prayers from being answered.

And lead us not into temptation - As temptations are inevitable for the true followers of Christ, ask God to help you overcome them whenever they come your way.

But deliver us from evil - Now, this one has been the bone of contention on this thread, if I'm not mistaken.  This is where the arguments of bari_kade, TayoD, thesilent1 and ricalide really surface.  Jesus knew fully well and understood the capabilities of the evil one, and that was why He included this in the prayer.  Since the battle is against principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of world, and against spiritual wickedness in high places (Eph 6:12); and as the saying goes "Heaven helps only those who help themselves", Paul already enjoined us in vs 11 to put on the armour of God so that we can be able to stand against the wiles of the devil -- that God may deliver us from evil.

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever - Conclusively, acknowledge His omnipotence one more time.  Praise and Glorify Him again.  Then. . .

Amen - You round off your prayer with an affirmative "So be it!".

I hope this helps.

I guess not.  Okay, I know you may be thinking, "This still doesn't explain why they have to shout and jump while praying".  To be honest, I also detest noise.  I believe one can easily get across to God even while praying within your mind.  Remember how Hannah prayed in Shiloh?  She didn't need to shout.  Infact, the Bible tells us, "Hannah spoke in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard" (1 Sam1:13).  But in reality, most people experience being in a "state of ecstasy" while praying, hence the thunderous noises and disturbing gesticulations.  So asking them why they're "shouting and jumping" will require asking some others why they cry while singing worship songs.  So you see, it's just the feeling.


Regards.

Bullshit!

Na wa o.  What's wrong with Federer now?

Federer wins 2nd set 6 - 4!

Oya! Where's my 5 naira?

David,

let's bet 5 - 5 naira. Federer is taking the second set!

Thanks bari_kade, for that wonderful piece. You're breath of fresh air on this thread.

redsun:
His is an idiot because what he is studying has little or no relevance to the real world.

And of what relevance is your posting on this forum to the real world?  I guess the same invective should be applied to you also, don't you think?

BTW, welcome back on board, bari_kade.

I personally do not see anything rude/inflammatory/offensive about mrmayor's "bullocks". Every time, I wonder why people raise dust over nothing.

Best article comes from shahan.

Seun:
The anti-islam debates are boring!

Very true.  I don't bother going through them, most times.  It's always the same argument on every single threads of such. Dem no dey tire?

English1:
It clearly says that women's heads should be covered but it also says that 'for her hair is given her for a covering.'

~So unless you are a bald woman, you don't need to wear a hat or scarf. Your hair covers your head.

As backslider rightly said, this is selective reading.  You make it sound like Paul was contradicting himself, whereas he was only making certain distinctions.

          1 Cor 11:5-6 (NIV) -
         "And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors
              her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her
           head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her
           hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head."

          1 Cor 11:14-15 (NIV) -
          "Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace
            to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to
            her as a covering."

While the first quoted scripture talks about the importance of covering the head for a woman while praying or prophesying, the second scripture is simply making a distinction in order to reprove men who keep long hairs.

Note that in the latter, an indefinite article "a" is used before the word 'covering'.  By that, he was simply using that to correct the men who decided to keep long hairs like the women.  I imagine a scenario like this:

Paul:  Look, it is not proper for you men to keep long hairs.
The Men:  But the women have long hairs.  Why can't we?
Paul: Looking at things from the natural perspective, don't you think it's a shame for men to have long hairs?  Besides, a woman's hair is a natural covering, and it's a glory to her as well.

Also note that while Paul's first reference to the issue of hair covering is in correspondence to honouring God while praying or prophesying, his second reference translates to how we should portray ourselves as Christians.

If Paul was actually referring to the same 'covering' he earlier referred to, he would have used the definite article "the" instead.  Looking at the original Greek text alone, one will see that 'covering' as used in the two instances have slightly different meanings.

Regards.

eyimofe, how did you get to know about this site, and which card will one use to check the result?

olutomiwa:
I might be,but i know for sure that THERE IS NO WHERE IN D SCRIPTURES DAT SAYS U SHOULD MAKE NOISE OR ANNOUNCE TO PEOPLE DAT U PAY UR TITHE.Could u tell me where it is in the bible PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Is there anywhere in the Bible that says you should log on to Nairaland?

froggie:
TWO GUYS JUST CHECKED FROM MY CAFE WITH RESULT 236 & 254 RESPECTIVELY

From which website did they check theirs?

stimulus:
@goodguy,

Maybe some other vocabs -

I also 'dish out'/'promise'/'automate'/'devote'/'yield'/'render'/'commit'/'submit'/'surrender' my tithes (or givings). . . abi??

All na the same - I let my tithe leave my pocket and pass from me to the collection plate or container!

True talk o, my brother.

toluwalomo:
I think I cracked Asafa Powell's 100m record.

Pity, I had no stopwatch handy!

https://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

Oh my God!  I haven't laughed this hard in a long time!