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If the devil had a face

Dtruthspeaker:
Oh! Ok .
It was nice and mentally stimulating.

Please, can you weigh in on the argument I'm having with TenQ. on polygamy. He thinks that God gave David, Saul's wives, meanwhile the remaining part of that passage means that God too gave him men (homose things) and their wives too.

In violation of God's express Commandment , "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself," Deuteronomy 17:17

I know it has since been said that God supports polygamy but I have asked everyone if it so, how then does a person do polygamy without being guilty of adultery? And none of the polygamist supporters have been able to give a valid answer. So, i would love to see your thoughts on it Don't worry take your time to think and research about it. Its even a little difficult for me to respond because I am occupied with a little delicate work that I want to ensure that it comes out right. So, i may not be here for the next 2/3days

I don't have much idea about polygamy.

Although, majority believes God supported polygamy in the times of old but frowns at it during this dispensation (this grace era)

Dtruthspeaker:
See, you are using the word "related" and not the word "the same" which means that even you appreciate that all those cases are different from each other. Uzziah's case is exactly like Aaron's sons case. Saul was already rejected aka banished by God hence his resort to paganism and even though The Holy of Holies resides in the Ark of the covenant, that does not prevent God from anointing humans as He did to Moses. So, you are mixing them up because you are only looking at them superficially

I actually wanted you to assess the Uzziah Vs Saul's case and the last scenario.

I used the word "related" on purpose.

That was a nice conversation though Dtruthspeaker 🙌

Samantha125:
Only he can answer that question... Why continue being with someone whom you consider as disrespectful in the first place?

In fact, why keep getting married if women are so insolent?

@ the bolded, generalising it will be unreal. We have many good women; just that some are troublesome and the men go ahead to tie the knot with them knowing fully well what they are getting into and later come back to complain -- I blame the men for those situations.

Samantha125:
So you expect the wife to remain calm after enduring so much disrespect from her husband for the longest time?

Can your man effortlessly say that you make him calm and relaxed...?

Nomyth:
And an unfortunate rescue mission in Nigeria.


The Nigerian-British Joint Rescue Operation (Nigeria, 2012)

In 2012, a British engineer and an Italian colleague were kidnapped by terrorists in northern Nigeria. Intelligence indicated that their lives were in imminent danger, prompting a joint rescue mission involving Nigerian and British special forces.


The operation targeted the location where the hostages were being held. Although the mission demonstrated strong international cooperation and determination to combat terrorism, the hostages were tragically killed by their captors during the rescue attempt.
Despite the tragic outcome, the operation underscored the difficult choices governments face when negotiating with terrorists and highlighted the importance of timely intelligence in hostage situations.

Do you know why this particular mission failed?

Hint: Joint operation with Nigerian ...

The child should get justice and the perpetrator of this wicked act should be brought to book.

All these inhumane acts have to stop

This message is to your sheep 🐑.

NO.

Whom will this favour? The oppressors to remain in power?

With this approach, they will increase the insecurity to from this gear 2 to hear 4. Them no send you

These items would be EFFECTIVELY used for tax

Dtruthspeaker:
With God, there is no punishing differently. That is one of the things that makes Him just. As it was with Ananias so was it to Sapphira. As it was for the Canaanites, so it was for Israel. So, there isn't anywhere, where 2 persons committing the same offences and then God punished them differently. That would not be just and God never ever did that. Their offences must have been different for the punishment to be different.

Forgiveness only means a stay or cessation or reduction of a punitive effect which is deliberately delivered to an offender, which is different from the natural consequence of committing that offence. Exactly as when you bash a person's car breaking your bumper, headlights and radiator to the person's damaged boot and rear lights.. if the person forgives you by taking his vehicle away, you still have bear the effect of fixing your own damage

Let's take these four instances:

SCENARIO 1
When the oxen stumbled and the Ark of the Covenant began to fall off the cart, Uzzah reached out to steady it with his hands. No unauthorized person was to touch the Ark, Uzzah was struck dead on the spot. -- (2 Samuel 6:6-7)

SCENARIO 2
Saul took it upon himself to perform the priestly sacrifice before a battle, a duty GOD RESERVED STRICTLY for the prophet Samuel. Instead of an immediate execution, the consequence was the loss of his dynasty; his kingdom would be torn away from his family line and given to another. --(1 Samuel 13:9-14)




SCENARIO A
The Holy of Holies was meant for only the high priest and was only accessible once in a year when atonement would be performed.
And the Priest had to perform some cleansing for himself first, otherwise na OYO be him case -- instant death.


SCENARIO B
From scenario A above, the Holy of Holies has now been moved to the human body (1 Corinthians 6:19–20 :The Believer's Body).
Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm (Psalm 105:15) -- This is a warning. It is God's declaration warning foreign powers and oppressors to leave His Holy of Holies/ chosen people alone.
But today, bandits and terrorists can kidnap, molest/maim this same temple of God with God inside of it.


Scenarios 1 & 2 are related with different outcomes.

While scenarios A & B are also closely related with different outcomes.

Crime to humanity

Good observations...

Watching from home and not at the stadium.

Dtruthspeaker:
No. It is not.

"i have forgiven you but I will still punish you" means that God has given them the grace of a reduced sentencing and (probably reduced charges of sin) instead of the full package just is, punishment equal to their sin.

Sat still has many full blast charges against him of which every second he racks up more. No way he can ever be forgiven which is why he does not even ask just like Saul, Solomon, Sodom and Gomorrah etc

I just view it as:
(i) "CAUSE AND EFFECT" has already been set in place (which might vary from person to person e.g two persons committing same atrocity and being punished differently).
(ii) Forgiveness DOES NOT ALWAYS automatically deter the EFFECT in point (i) above.

So, many will live with the EFFECTS of their past despite being forgiven.
Examples are the people you already cited: Moses, David etc.

Dtruthspeaker:
And the Bible also showed it.

Just go down the thread, you'll see some of my replies.

femi4:
Well, that's why He's Almighty...He doesn't grant all requests

It is a case of "I have forgiven you but I will still punish you".

That is the same canoe Satan would have fallen/would fall into.

femi4:
You are mixing things up
Forgiveness and request for favour are not the same thing

God forgives moses but didnt grant his request of entering the promise land

Same applies to David, he was forgiven but God didnt grant his request, the child died eventually

Adam n Eve were forgiven but God chased them out of the Garden

The favours/requests were denied due to ...?


Forgiven sins right?

lionshare:
In my own book that’s lesser crime compared to stashing urgently needed capital of a poor country in tax havens. If it were to be in china we know the outcome—-IMHO the biggest problem of this country is capital and access to it. If we can solve that can scale we can wipe out a significant chunk of poverty in the populace.

How about capturing terrorists who have kidnapped and killed tens of thousands (including major Generals in the military) and giving them a name -- "repentant terrorists" and then paying them salary with tax payers money?

While the Government releases its top officials to call the terrorists their brothers.

femi4:
But the book stated the sin. Why not put it out there

Moses passionately pleaded with God to let him enter the Promised Land, but God ultimately denied his request.

If he hadn't pleaded, maybe we would have used the excuse that it was because he didn't ask for forgiveness.

The above I put out to you wasn't even the part of sin that is unforgivable you were expecting to hear.

femi4:
yes

That's what vs 35 explained

Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to

I don't quite agree with you on this Sir.

The holy book says that it's not all sins that are forgiveable.

MaxInDHouse:
The devil has been sentenced to death in the garden of Eden and all the armies of heaven (angels) are waiting to see how the devil will be destroyed.

So he can never ever ask for forgiveness. What he intended to do now is to annoy God to the point of destroying everything.

At the bolded, yes he can't.

My question is IF the ATROCITIES OF HIS MAGNITUDE is forgiveable (from what he is believed to have done from the beginning of time to date).

Menclothing1:
The fish guy that died in Anambra and was kidnapped and killed last years is it consequences of voting obi ?

Everything about Nigeria is about tribe when it’s obvious you can only deal with terrorism with one voice
They started during Jonathan continuing during Buhari and now who the hell told you obi can stop them?

Please explain the bolded.

The NSA and some security chiefs said the terrorists are their brothers and these are the elites the president takes security advice from.

Over 700 terrorists were pardoned rewarded few weeks ago and the celebration was captioned "repentant terrorists".

sultry69:
What will obi do in this case?someone who is telling us that he negotiate with the terrorists.


They are all useless polithiefcians

Face your guy in Aso rock. He's the commander in chief.

TOPMAN4LIFE:
That's your aims ,
Maybe it is people like you that are behind the atrocities so that Tinubu will be hated and your peter Obi will be loved.
Your peter Obi will never come near president office because of hate mongers like you

Meet Gumi, he said the president, including his officials and you all know the terrorists by their names and where they are in the bush.

Ask Gumi to lead you guys there, don't be scared of Gumi and his boys.

malakaimoscondo:
which party should he vote for?

APC of course

femi4:
Answer the question now

Why use question to answer question

Mt 18:23-35

“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “[b]His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”

No, he hasn't asked.

Now back to my question.
IF the devil should ask God for forgiveness at this point, will God forgive him? Remember the title of this particular thread while answering the question.

Dtruthspeaker:
Where did you read in the Bible that sat is the one who torturs in hell? Did you not see that he too is thrown in there as his punishment?

IF he does, will he be forgiven?

femi4:
Did he ask for forgiveness

IF he does, will he be forgiven?
Who then will command the torturing in hell fire?

Can the devil be forgiven?

Only this statement = Resignation letter.

Get your guns guys if you can. And get a license for it.

If you can, travel and leave the country.

This is not good for a self-acclaimed sovereign country.

So, this is what the APC government has finally resorted to -- handing security of Nigerians into God's hands.

Nigerians and superstition.

Your enemies are holding weapons and you want to use prayer/diabolical means.

Hope they know this is not a Nollywood movie?

At least there are some youth corpers here are seeing this.

If you like go and collect 10k bribe to manipulate election results.