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Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm, not smart enough my guy!

Why not just ask a simple question to know the reason i said so?

Let me enlighten you a bit perhaps you haven't been lying as i'm accusing all none witnesses!

You've been through schools and must have recited the national anthem including the pledge countless times.
How many times have you stopped a policeman from taking bribes from commercial drivers? Or have you never seen any do that?
How many times have you reported to the police when you see, hear or know of den of robbers, drug barons, hoodlums or even okada riders carrying two passengers without helmets?

Well don't be surprised that your clown friend has come up with another joke, but then let's consider the crime committed!

You pledge to serve our father land with LOVE, STRENGTH, FAITH and to SERVE Nigeria with ALL YOUR STRENGTH and DEFEND her unity!

Only Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the globe will never join in making vows that they can not keep, i repeated it several times as a Muslim before i became a witness, but i wept bitterly after realizing the implications of what we were doing unknowingly back then!

Just go on your knees and start confessing your sins right now because your children are still lying the same way you've lied making false promises!

You said LYING is worse than CRIME so be your own judge!

When i said Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only TRUE Christian Organization on planet earth, i know how funny that will continue to ring in the minds of unbelievers.

Once again that's another blockbuster, try and disprove it if you can by using the COMMON SENSE!

Christianity exist before Jehovah witness, stop stealing peoples religion and give them back their Bible.

Maximus69:
You've nailed yourself with the underlined my guy!

This shows the level of your intellect my friend!

You're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, is enough evidence that you've been a liar all your life my guy, just leave the matter!

Is this why you want from Muslim to Christian so you can smoke those Bible pages.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm, it's like you're feeling some higher intellect in my response so let's go!

Now back to your questions!


(1)Is it a crime to tell lies?
(2)Would you teach your child to lie?

The honest answer to questions (1) is "NO" while (2) is "YES" if considered from the human point of view.

But if to be considered from God's viewpoint the answer to (1) is "YES" while (2) is "NO".

Because humans are imperfect and every inclination of our heart is of selfish motive, we will lie without a bleep in fear of circumstances beyond our control.
But God is the Almighty who has nothing to fear so there is no reason for him to lie! Titus 1:2

So if you don't believe in the existence of the Supreme Being, you don't have any reason to think of honesty neither abstinence from telling lies because it can never benefit you nor your child in a world that's under the control of a LIAR (Satan the Devil) {1John 5:29} even your own child will hear you tell lies several times, so how are you going to tell him/her that what he/she saw you did is a CRIME?

And if you say "perhaps God is the liar(Satan) himself, all the same you can't face over 8 billions of people whose hearts and minds is made up to continue lying incessantly.

Either way the honest answer to your question is YES,

It's takes great FAITH in God alone to tell the TRUTH all the time, so if you don't believe in the existence of the one who will repay you for being different in the midst of a crooked generation please honestly answer me, what in this world will encourage you to tell the TRUTH at all times?

Good you know teaching you child how to lie is bad.

And I don't lie, I've never lied in my life, when I was kid i was falsely accused, the only way out was for me to accept the accusations and receive minimal punishment, be pardon, but I held on to the truth, I didn't lie then, I'm not gone lie now, and it'll remain so till I die.

Just know the day you become falsely accused, it's the day you'll realized that lying is worst than a crime

LordReed:
Don't even bother. They can't even agree on which book is inspired by their god or not, how would they be able to agree on who a Christian is?

Bunch of clowns, they don't know I've had these conversations before, but with a different set of clowns.

MuttleyLaff:
You are not just are slow. You are extra slow because you still dont seem to get it that, it is not a case of being scared of anybody, nor not about scared of an imaginary God or not imaginary God, but lying does serve its purpose, lol. Now the question, you want to ask is, to what purpose(s) are lies said, lol.

What purpose can lie serve other than dishonesty.

MuttleyLaff: Trust me. Truly, I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows, you would would have lied three times, even its a white lies, lol.

You can foresee me lying, but you can't foresee Corona Virus.

MuttleyLaff: Rhetorical question please that was, so dont bother attempting to respond to it

Ok

MuttleyLaff: [img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
So? We are WIP, isnt?
Who told you we are the finished article yet, huh? We are still on the tapestry, the finishing touches are still ongoing, lol, the image impression is not completed, lol

Why did God put an unfinished product in his perfect garden, then punished the unfinished product for being unfinished.

MuttleyLaff: Big fat lie

Fat? so they also come in shapes too.

If your God doesn't like barbecue, why haven't he blown the trumpet yet? I know why, "more barbecue"

MuttleyLaff: You posted it because you are a selfish person, who has no consideration for other people. You are a sadist, who enjoys revolting, gross-out, shocking, bloody pictures.

I'm I more selfish than your no where to be found pastors, I'm I more gross out than you fellow Christians barbecuing that man, be guided.

MuttleyLaff: Now pulease dahling, let me in peace, leave me alone, dont respond back to posts on this thread anymore, as this most prolly is my last ping-ponging with you. Some things just can't be forced. All good things come to an end. Was all good while it lasted. Thank you for all your contribution to date on the thread. This is our end GRIMMJOE, kiss, kiss.

Ok

MuttleyLaff: [img]https://s3/images/3xsmhp.gif[/img]
Typical. Smh, trust him to fabricate

Why couldnt he quote me verbatim, if not because he is a hypocrite and a liar. I unapologetically stand by all I typed and on the word of God, as in meaning, the Bible as my solid foundation.

What solid foundation, foundation that cannot build schools, foundation that cannot build hospitals.

In the future the only use of the Bible will be to shock windows.

Maximus69:
First of all, i've told you that there is just one and only organization of TRUE Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) so whoever is NOT a member of that group is NOT a Christian!

MuttleyLaff:
Mister man, will you please stay in your hypocritical, sanctimonious, self lane. Afterall you did say, you are done with me, Mister Forgetful-Promise-Breaker

LordReed LordReed come and see two confused Christians fighting over whose fictional God is more real, they can't even agree on a name.

Okay, now I'm ready to become a full blown Christian, but how will I know I'm choosing the right Christian. buahahaha.

reigncalif1:
THE SAME THING WITH SCIENCE I THINK. BUT RELIGIOUS SEEMS TO EMBRACE MORE OF SPIRITUALITY (SOMETHING CAN ACTUALLY COME OUT FROM NOWHERE) INSTEAD IF PHYSICALITY OF SCIENCE WHICH RELIES MORE ON LOGICAL FACTS PROVING BY EXPERIMENT .
MY CONFUSION . IF EVERYTHING WAS CREATED ITS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A CREATOR (SPIRITUALLY MIGHT BE SELF EXISTING)
..2 IF MATER AND ENERGY ARE SOMETHING WHICH ACTUALLY MUST NEVET COME OUT FROM NO WHERE OR IMPOSSIBLE OF SELF EXISTING WHICH STILL END UP DISPUTING THE FACT OF NOWHERE THINGS

WHAT IS THE UNCONSCIOUS CAUSE ( THAT HAD BEEN MY QUEST OF KNOWLEDGE, ITS THE ONLY THING GLOOMING ME TO GOD ,SEEMS MAN CAN NRVER FIND THE UNCAUSED CAUSE.... I WILL BE AN ATHEIST OR DEIST IF POSSIBLE .

See, believe what you want to believe, if want to believe a God created Light before the sun believe.

But one thing is true, this God knows nothing science, nothing about logic, and lacks common sense.

liked I've always said if this God want us to take him serious he should come and die on the cross himself.

arazanbal:
i wanna ask bro how did humans came into existence

Nobody gives a damn why we are created, what matters is that we are here and it's our duty to leave this place better than we met it.

Bacteriologist:
Science is funny but Religion is DISHONEST.

Funny or not it brings results, and that's all that matter in this real world.

@ Maximus69 come and see you fellow barbecue eater, you claim they are not the real Christian yet you both read the same fictional book.

"Muttleylaff: lying is not a crime except when it is white"

So Maximus69, what color of lies have you been telling us?

MuttleyLaff:
Dont be self centred, if you arent worried about your children, why not care about other people's kids etcetera

When did I say I'm not worried about my children, is this one of your white lie.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
So? Nothing new there

I wouldnt put it pass a good majority of a Christian not to do.

I didnt quickly scroll it passed. In fact, I actually stayed on the page, taking in the barbarity, the act of savagery, extremity and intensity of violence perpetrated there. Smh.

It has nothing to do with whether it personally is my problem. Stop being self centred and thinking of just self alone. Think of others, this of other people, think of other people's children/kids. Think of your neighbour. Guess it was too much to ask

Please listen to yourself. Dont put yourself on the same pedestal as God, your Maker, the Lord, Owner of your breath.

Now you have gone creative with making up stories about me, alleging that I've talked about "... roasting and barbecuing people ..." Now this is making false witness against a neighbour. You know, you gone too far with that lie, which if I ask you for proof of, you would never be able to substantiate. Smh. You are slowly but surely increasingly by the day becoming a LIAR. Its a shame seeing you stoop and resort to lying just in order to make a cheap point. Everything posted, just goes swoosh over your head, as if like, its a Naija Airforce fighter jet flying by low. Smh

God created you in his own image, God love roasting people, it's only nature you do too.

That's why I posted the picture for you to enjoy your barbecue.

And MuttleyLaff don't compare me with you, I don't lie because I'm not scared of anybody, not even your imaginary God.

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MuttleyLaff:

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This honestly speaking IMHO isnt a fair question to ask nor would I see it, as an open and shut case question either, because for starters, as you can see in my attached intro pasted above from a previous thread, everyone lies, everyone, does the occasional little white lies, at the very least, let's not deceive ourselves. We've all being caught in that between a rock and a hard place moment, when being asked the "am I fat, does my bum look fat in this" lol, but anyway in the spirit of it all, I will nonetheless participate as opposed to spectating and so oblige you the question, lol

No, I will not teach my child to tell lies.
I vividly right now, do remember my better half and I, specifically telling our kids not to lie etcetera

Wrong, the circustances determines whether it is a criminal to have lied or it is not criminal to have lied

Wrong, the circustances determines whether it is a criminal to have lied or it is not criminal to have lied

Lying done when under oath, is criminal, and that will be a crime and/or commiting a crime.

Now GRIMMJOE, to lie, circumstantially, can be sin. How it becomes a sin, can be appreciated from Exodus 20:16, the 9th commandment, that states: "Do not tell lies about others and/or Never lie when you testify about your neighbor" and/or Deuteronomy 5:20 that equally states: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" while Deuteronomy 19:18-19, in details, states "18The judges must make a thorough investigation. If it is found that the witness lied when he testified against the other Israelite, 19then do to him what he planned to do to the other person. You must get rid of this evil"
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Are you the one I asked?

MuttleyLaff:
Death, afterall, it a transition, walking out of one door, into another door. I am pleased you arent scared of death, just I aint too either. I have so far, had a good run. I thank God for the experience of life and the mileage so far done with it.

Dont be self centred, if you arent worried about your children, why not care about other people's kids etcetera

You obviously didnt read the entire post before hurreiedly scrolling down to the postscript and in typical kneejerk and spiteful manner type this ignorant and irrational outburst post. What is perpetrated in that picture, is not religion that is pure, that is true and the sort that God wouldnt find fault with GRIMMJOE. It is a betrayal and/or departure of good values by society, by your elites, your media, your embraced dogma, your perverted religion, your community/ neighbourhood/national leaders, you and I. We are all guilty of dereliction of duty for failing to match up. It has nothing to do with religion and leaving the picture pasted there isnt doing anything except satiate sadists and masochists.

If voice of reason, sense of decency and doing the right thing wont prevail, then suit yourself nah. Own goal. Sour grapes things going on, lol

PS: It is the God given talent, the gift of Abami Ẹda Baba Kuti RIP, just as like that of: Michael Jackson RIP, Jehovah's Witnesses' Prince RIP, Bob Marley RIP, Rick James RIP, Freddie Mercury RIP, General Prince Adekunle RIP, Alhaji Haruna Ishola RIP, Lisa Lopes stage name Left Eye RIP, Aaliyah RIP, Colonel Abrams RIP, Justin Fashanu RIP, Barry White RIP, Teddy Pendergrass RIP, Muhammad Ali RIP etcetera that I appreciate and not neccessarily their individual life style, what they get up to in their personal or private lives.

It is their energies, their creativity, their brilliance, their some prophetic craft, their their energies, their creativity, their creative ahead of their time that I celebrate, just as Jesus will say, in Matthew 10:16 about be wise as serpents. Nothing wrong in being as wise as serpent , without being a serpent outright

I brought a picture of a man in his own blood killed by Christians but you quickly scrolled passed it, If it isn't you then it's not your problem, right?

Now you come talking about creativity, creativity on roasting and barbecuing people, since your God does it there's nothing wrong, right?

Maximus69:
First of all, why must every human think of raising children?

Secondly, why must you brainwash a child to think like you?

Well, there is just one source of information where something like the SPIRIT of TRUTH is clearly stated, in the absence of this there is no way to quantify anything as LIE!

So if you and your cohorts insist that the only source of information that says the spirit of truth must be inculcated in people's minds, then there shouldn't be anything like lies!

ATHEISM is fighting for FREETHINKING, i can't grasp why a freethinker must always be subjected to a line of thought!

He/she should be FREE to decide whether to disclose any info (tell the truth) or make it confidential while speaking (tell a lie)!

Yes or No

Maximus69:
God believes in himself and what he made!

He knew the way he created us and he's sure that we are fit to discern whatever the spirit beings plan to deceive us. That's why he could say about the "dumb ones"

"The default is as a result of their own stupidity NOT my own work" Deuteronomy 32:5 compare to James 1:13-15

Meanwhile you haven't addressed the issue of "LIES" because i just ignored that before since you and i were chatting based on COMMON SENSE and NOT the Bible, and there is no rule under this heaven that's based on COMMON SENSE that says "it is a crime to tell lies"!

But if you want us to base our thinking on what the Bible REALLY teach now, i'll wish we address the issue of the LIES.

So where have i told you a LIE?

Is it a crime to tell lies? Answer this questions honestly and you equally have my answer.

Will you teach your child to tell lies?
If yes, lying isn't a crime
If no, lying is a crime

MuttleyLaff:

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None of the posited verses, including your fav one, is anything about "promise miracles" and about the Bible emphasizing a lot about miracle, but fails performing them in real life too. What are you playing at here?

OK, then

"Atheism is a religion but I don't believe in it

Religion takes different shape and form, has different passions, interest, rituals etcetera.
For some, sports, like football or hockey is a religion.
For others some, fashion too is a religion

Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, New Age, Scientology, Paganism, TAF etcetera too are religions
however there is only one true and pure religion, that is faultless. So let's call a spade, a spade"
- by MuttleyLaff: 4:23pm On Dec 24, 2018

"Football is a religion, ice hockey is a religion, fashion for some is a religion and atheism too funnily enough too is a religion. The word religion, just like the word mouse, has over the passage of time changed from what it originally meant from what your dictionary says it is"
- by MuttleyLaff: 1:00am On Jan 01

"It is organised religion(s), like for example, Christianity, that is called the opium of the people, and not empathy and/or compassion, that is pure, true and without faults Ranchh.oddas

....Religion takes different shapes and forms, has different passions, interest, rituals etcetera, and so football is a religion, ice hockey is a religion, fashion, for some, is a religion and atheism too funnily enough, as well, is a religion but nobody, not even you Ranch.hoddas, can find a fault in empathy and/or with compassion"
- by MuttleyLaff: 12:15am On Jan 14

GRIMMJOW, what is your morbid obsession with bringing back the dead sef? Why? Is it because you are afraid to die. Hope you havent got a form of terminal illness, sha.

We disgressed, so back on track. So GRIMMJOE, religion, that is true and pure, the sort that God finds no faults with, is intrinsically all about empathy and/or compassion. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Love, is the highest virtue, however the religion you are advised to follow is empathy and/or compassion. These are what you are advised to religiously be doing, as in having and/or showing compassion or empathy. They are the only true pure religion and that is approved of by God.

It is that same true religion that made a Samaritian transcend, rise to the occasion and attend to one that depises him, someone that sees the Samaritian as dog, when the priest (i.e. bishop/pastor/GO) and Levite (i.e. church worker/usher/chorister) passed by on the other side.

PS: GRIMMJOE, since you have made your point, please remove those ghoulish ugly and unpleasant graphic pics. Spare us the savagery and man's inhumanity to man. Thank you

Typical Christian not wanting to accept reality, that pic would remain there so we all see the beauty of religion.

I'm not scared of death, I've always believe one lifetime is enough, if I had the choice to choose I wouldn't have chosen at all.

Now I'm worried about my children, look at the nonsense I'll be bringing them to.

Maximus69:
GRIMMJOE, abeg i don close!

We die here.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm that's what is called BRAINWASHING

TRUE FAITH will equip adherents and makes them a blessing to the society NOT a curse!

But the fact remains that there are lots of things people do that they don't know the evil implications following it, so when faithful people turn down such things, physical men who are spiritually blind start taking offenses.

For instance
Birthday, Christmas, New Year, Easter, Valentine are traps set by the unseen beings to hold people hostage to racism and politics but only the wise can understand this!

Too bad humans are dumb, like really really dumb.

Maximus69:
What's the meaning of all these?

Are you sure your brain is still working?

Just pointing out the hypocritical nature of religion, boko haram believe they are fighting against western education yet use the same technology they provide to kill.

The truth is nobody wants to do anything, nobody wants to change the world , they just want to do their time here on earth and proceed to an inexistent heaven.

It is so bad, that some are willing to become suicide bombers to speed up the process.

Maximus69:
THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!

These are ATHEISTS claiming Christians, all they've chosen to do is milk their fellow man that's stupid, misinformed and gullible to satisfy their selfish material wants!
Deep down in their hearts, they don't believe in the existence of any God, but who can unravel such deep things in their hearts if not the TRUE Christians?

Just tell them you belong to any religion whatsoever and see how they'll be trying to change your mind in a calm way to come and join their PERSONAL business venture called Church, but tell them you're having anything to do with Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) and see how they'll become so troubles!

The secret is that is the one and only organization that's not part of their deceptive groups!

Is it that I'm dreaming or I'm leaving in a world filled with idíots.

Next Sunday this one will dress going to church. Bunch of clowns.

Maximus69:
(1) Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! None of my families is a JW, i only had about my grandpa's junior brother who died two weeks to my birth. He was the only man who studied with JWs but he didn't live long enough to practice it!
(2) I was born a Muslim, i lived a neutral person for almost three decades before i began noticing the highest form of reasoning amongst JWs!
(3) Of course the one and only needs to be proven! But God's thought is higher than man's, so man shouldn't be the one to set such parameters or how it's to be proved!

The prove only becomes obvious where all institutions failed woefully, the one and only institution belonging to God will come out victoriously scoring 100%!


Humans have initiated so many groups and organizations in other to unite people of all sorts, both religious and none religious.
RELIGIOUS
~Christendom Churches
~Islam
~Buddhism
~Shintoism
~Judaism and
~Aboriginals
None RELIGIOUS
~Olympic and other sport programs
~Musical programs
~Beauty contexts
~WHO and other health groups
~UN and other political organizations
~UNESCO
~RED CROSS
just to mention the ones i could remember, were all initiatives of man to unite people and eradicate racial prejudice in the human society.

With all the effort, resources and time spent for almost 2,000 years that most of this groups have been commissioned, humans getting involved with all these organizations found it extremely difficult to eradicate Racism and Politics (the only two factors causing hatred amongst humans)!

So if JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES now comes up to say there is a God somewhere out there that can make this seemingly impossible task a reality, and they're able not just to say it but PROVED it by uniting all those that come under that organization as a global family of peace loving people! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3

Well i don't need any further PROOF of the existence of such an invisible Spirit Being that's behind such a great achievement!

Jehovah's Witnesses prefer being referred to as ORGANIZATION/ SOCIETY/ GROUP rather than bearing any collective name that can make them a member of one of those mentioned organizations and groups! Notice that even the group name Christians they've left behind due to the way Christendom Churches have profaned it {Isaiah 65:15} they prefer to be called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Call them anything you wish but just don't refer to them as a DENOMINATION of the Christendom Churches! But since each group or organization must belong to an association, JWs claims NOT a part of the Christian DENOMINATIONS but the one and only organization of TRUE Christians!

This maybe true Maximus, but you lie a lot.

Maximus69:
@GRIMMJOE

This is how true Christians deal with the stupid people who think they are wise!

You're expecting me to start quoting the Bible when i already know you don't believe (trust) the book.

Now that i keep the book behind to deal with you based on what you believe "common sense", how have you proven to be wiser than me?

Rather you've turned out to be a fool, quoting words from the same book you want to debunk!

You stupidly said
"LYING is a crime" whereas there is nowhere you can see anything of such if not in God's word Bible

You stupidly said

"LYING is a SIN" how could you have been so stupid to say something like that, when the word SIN has no weight if not viewed from a religious perspective?

Well learn from me today!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
The one and only TRUE Christian organization on this planet. You can ridicule those false religionists with their credulity. But when you come to face us you will be silenced even in your own thinking! Job 5:13 compare to Isaiah 54:17

Farewell!

You're forgetting that you're a Jehovah's Witness because your parents are.

If you believe you were born with your religion, remember others too were born with it, if you were thought so were others.

The only religion that matters is that which is proven, but there is none.

Maximus69:
If you're OK, i don't think you'll spend so much time on aoroloye's comments to the extent of filtering his boring lengthy write-ups in order to fish out something of use to you!

If you can you don't have to, it's an argument.

What's the difference between your God and their God, you both call your self Christian.

Maximus69:
Come on, Fela Anikulapo Kuti was a world class legend!

I don't expect you to have deep respect for anyone NOT even yourself because you're just a hopeless ATHEIST!

What i'm saying is Fela also was an advocate of FREETHINKING so if you truthfully believe in the concept you need to meditate on his word!

Human right na my PROPERTY!

So nobody has the right to deprive anyone the right to speech, expression or worship!

Atheist means disbelief in all know God, there's no advocate.

What you're ask is prove God exist, if you can't it's fine.

As for the sun part you made no sense, you don't have to it's ok,

As for the demon you can't prove occupy space, it's fine.

This is an argument, it simply is an argument, if you feel forced or pressurized it's up to you it's simply an argument.

elated177:
What I want to say is tied to it. You don't have to say the state. The geographic zone will do.

LordReed for your own safety don't.

Pessimist:
There is no difference between Atheists and Theists.

You believe there is no God without prove and they believe there is God without proves.

Both of you don't make sense

Atheist can easily prove there's no God.

Climb on top of a building jump from it, you will die an untimely death, as all the other Christians that screams Jesus before a fatal motor accident.

LordReed:
Why do keep asking personal questions? What will it do for the subject under discussion?

This guy will soon ask you what you ate for breakfast.

elated177:
A rolling stone gathers no moss.

Meaning

MuttleyLaff:
I reiterate, you better just now, own up that you arent 100% sure, about alleged "promise miracles" and about the Bible emphasizing a lot about miracle, but fails performing them in real life too, else I'll have no choice to pull you up and ask to provide the Bible verses you have based your assumption of this on, lol.

Please provide the Bible verses you have based your assumption of this on, of the Bible emphasizes a lot about miracle. Thank you.

Act 3:16, Deuteronomy 10:21, John 2:11, Luke 18:27, Mark 9:23, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 19:26, Act 9:11-12.
And my favorite Jeremiah 32:27

MuttleyLaff: I was under the impression when you used "showstopper" you meant it in the sense of being an obstacle to further progress, you know, as like in meaning, something that's become a deal-breaker. Yeah? This is why I requested that you give me 2-3 examples of "religion" being a showstopper, but I can now see, that you apparently meant "showstopper" in the context of something exceptionally arresting, to the extent of capturing and holding one's attention in awe etcetera.

Yes not the literal meaning of the word.

MuttleyLaff: To you, miracles then are showstoppers, I can give you that and live with it as well but you still dont know that, religion could be a miracle, but not all miracles, are religion. I keep trying to make you guys know what the distinction in true and pure religion is, but to no avail

Okay, let know this distinction you talk about, maybe it will bring back the dead, who knows.