Maximus69:


Thanks for this thought provoking question Sir. I love it!

According to his words, he said
"go on multiplying, fill the earth and SUBDUE it Genesis 1:28

Well that's his words to the first pair of human created (according to his words), this means it's humans that need to use their God's given instinct to think of making COMMUNICATION easy when they begin to MULTIPLY, whatever they chose amongst themselves as means of communication on land, rails, water or air is NOT his business anymore. He has given them a home and it's management is in their own hands! Psalms 115:16

Take note of the first statement @ Genesis 1:28, that place said "he gave them his blessings!" Meaning he wish them success in all that they lay their hands upon!

So if stupidity now caused humans to leave what supposed to make life easy for them, please what is God's fault?

Of what use is the God when we have the supposed instinct? Nothing, the Bible shows how clueless this God is, from letting a Satan roam free in a suppose perfect garden, to test a suppose perfect creation, to committing suicide on a cross.

It's best we focus on this instinct and leave this clueless God alone, he might wake up one day and start flogging babies because they are a result of a sinful generation.

GRIMMJOE:
LordReed come and see brutality.

Even the blind and deaf can know Maximus69 is an empty barrel.

GRIMMJOE:
What about our discussion on God creating light before the Sun. Is that mistake human nature too.

MuttleyLaff:
You still havent cop on, erhn?
God is Light, my friend. Light emanates, emanated from Him, His being. Facepalm.

GRIMMJOE:
So you're telling me on the first day God created God, budaatum do you agree on this or you need to educate him some more.

MuttleyLaff:
God is Self Existent. God is neither created nor God create God.

You came into the world alone, you will return back alone. You will face judgment alone and you will give account alone. Get used to this and stop tag-teaming budaatum. Obtain your understanding just as budaatum has advised you, obtain it to the level of your capacity, perspective, level and whatnot, lol. Leave out budaatum, lol

GRIMMJOE:
This maximus guy can talk, the other day I asked him how God created light before he created the sun, he vanished.

Noticed from above that I have already advanced you how God created light before he created the sun

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GRIMMJOE:
What a clown, I feel no pity for him, his indoctrination is what is wrong with this world, it's even funny how no other Christian attempted the same experiment.

MuttleyLaff:
As time is a snitch, time definitely, will tell, lol. Bad habits, though, are hard to break from, also a leopard doesnt change its black spots, lol.

Hell will have to first freeze up for any chance of a jesusjnr 3-day resurrection, lol. Thinks that's how "jnr" operates and/or works, lol. Of course why and/or how does this cat have more than nine lives, it's because of the various incognito monikers now.

budaatum is feeling guilty jesusjnr rested on her sword because its budaatum who gave jesusjnr a way out, the chance to climb and get out of the deep big hole she dug and jumped herself into. Courtesy the dare, jesusjnr, now has the chance to re-brand and to like a phoenix, rise out of the ashes she cowardly died in.

The doing of jesusjnr anyway, was something predictable. In the end it happened and it's right. She had a good run, had the time of her life, but at the end of the day, I'll always say about her, that good riddance to bad rubbish. The forum is a better place and safer without jesusjnr

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The unrepentant and shameless incessant troll got trapped, caught in a tight corner, then turned into a deer in the headlights of budaatum's car and thereafter helplessly got herself checkmated by budaatum's black Queen, and so she cowardly had no choice than to lean forward and firmly rest on her sharp pointed out sword, lol, bwahahaha. A shortest fool's mate that seemed and looked like a longest because we all had to wait until the 31st to see blood.

I called out jesusjnr several times, but when he always kept avoiding me and I then at all opportunities, switched to, continually in his face, warning him of danger ahead except he repent. He actually had no choice other than to fall and rest on his sword, when the chips were down, lol. The cup of God's wrath he was drinking from got full to the brim and since karma knew his address, he got his just comeuppance in the end, lol.

I respect jesusjnr, a warrior, who vanished in the distance, a man of integrity, he kept to his word, kept to the deal, unlike some we know on here, who go back on their word and return back to go slurp up their puke, after already earlier publicly vomiting it. Smh

GRIMMJOE:
The Bible emphasizes a lot about miracle, but fails performing them in real life.

I reiterate, you better just now, own up that you arent 100% sure, about alleged "promise miracles" and about the Bible emphasizing a lot about miracle, but fails performing them in real life too, else I'll have no choice to pull you up and ask to provide the Bible verses you have based your assumption of this on, lol.

Please provide the Bible verses you have based your assumption of this on, of the Bible emphasizes a lot about miracle. Thank you.

GRIMMJOE:
... religion use to be a showstopper till corona virus.

MuttleyLaff:
GRIMMJOE, I thought you said that " .... religion, that's because it's not needed" hmm? If religion isn't needed, how come same "religion" used to be a showstopper? Give me 2-3 examples of "religion" being a showstopper

GRIMMJOE:
Showstoppers are the big crusade healing ministry, miracles performed in churches and from our television.

I was under the impression when you used "showstopper" you meant it in the sense of being an obstacle to further progress, you know, as like in meaning, something that's become a deal-breaker. Yeah? This is why I requested that you give me 2-3 examples of "religion" being a showstopper, but I can now see, that you apparently meant "showstopper" in the context of something exceptionally arresting, to the extent of capturing and holding one's attention in awe etcetera.

To you, miracles then are showstoppers, I can give you that and live with it as well but you still dont know that, religion could be a miracle, but not all miracles, are religion. I keep trying to make you guys know what the distinction in true and pure religion is, but to no avail

Maximus69:


The bolded is also my idea, but then why do you think others must answer to you for whatever they choose to do with their life, since you're not God?

No one should answer to me, This is an argument of how the world will be better without religion, look around you, we need more hospitals not church, more ventilators and not private jet, we allocate funds to building of church now they are all closed.

We pray for our solider to come back safely but fail to give them no ammunitions.

We pray for the kidnapped chibok girls but fail to carry out a rescue operation.

It's best we take responsibility for our problem, since this God answers when ever he likes.

Maximus69:


Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

This GRIMMJOE of a guy must have a desirable quality "PATIENCE", to have filter aoroloye's long comments!

At last aoroloye finally got himself a friend amongst the ATHEISTS who have time for his lengthy epistles!

And they both lived happily ever after ~ Otem Atum

Are you ok

GRIMMJOE:
Are you ok

You ought to have taken it as a compliment that it was and Iif me, I would have framed it, put it at the foot of my bed, so it will be the first to look at, when I wake up in the morning, just to brighten up the unfolding day.

Who does that, who wilfully subjects themselves to something like that, the mere scrolling just attempt to read or go to the other person's post is sheer absolute tortuous. He does is intentionally because I noticed he did construct a post in a civilised, easy on the eyes, properly rendered the text and so wasnt insanely long, but of course, old habits die hard. He couldn't maintain the change

Maximus69:


Fela Anikulapo Kuti is a legend that can't be forgotten for the next 100 years!

He is our contemporary, so i quote him to prove most people agreed with the concept of FREEDOM of speech expression and worship!

I only quote the Bible for those who have DEEP RESPECT for it.

And you assumed I have deep respect for Fela because.

Maximus69:
To illustrate, it's pointless quoting my father's opinion and expect you to agree when you've got your own dad!

And who might this be.

Maximus69:
But it's logical to quote a neutral person who is neither here nor there, to support unbiased normal human ideas!

GRIMMJOE:
Of what use is the God when we have the supposed instinct? Nothing, the Bible shows how clueless this God is, from letting a Satan roam free in a suppose perfect garden, to test a suppose perfect creation, to committing suicide on a cross.

It's best we focus on this instinct and leave this clueless God alone, he might wake up one day and start flogging babies because they are a result of a sinful generation.

Just calm down and think over this issue my friend!

Each person has his/her own mindset and nobody should FORCE his/her own opinion on others.

So if you feel like leaving God alone but i don't feel the same way, is it not best to accept me as your well meaning neighbour and move on with your life?

Please why are you disturbed over my own decision?

That's why i keep telling you to retrace you steps because this is how TERRORISM began, think of your comment

"People with low IQ should NOT BE ALLOWED TO COMMENT"

Whereas you're advocating for FREETHINKING!

LordReed:


Even the blind and deaf can know Maximus69 is an empty barrel.

Empty but you can't let go!

Maximus69:


Empty but you can't let go!

Walking away specialist! Wehdone sir!

GRIMMJOE:
No one should answer to me, This is an argument of how the world will be better without religion, look around you, we need more hospitals not church, more ventilators and not private jet, we allocate funds to building of church now they are all closed.

We pray for our solider to come back safely but fail to give them no ammunitions.

We pray for the kidnapped chibok girls but fail to carry out a rescue operation.

It's best we take responsibility for our problem, since this God answers when ever he likes.

None of what you typed up there is my idea!

I DON'T PRAY about sickness, i take appropriate measures to prevent it and stop it's spread.

I DON'T PRAY for soldiers at all, i take appropriate measures to prevent wars and replace the hatred, racism and politics in people's minds with hopes of a brighter tomorrow!

I DON'T PRAY for or against kidnapping, i take appropriate measures to CHANGE the thoughts of hopelessness in the minds of perpetrators!

According to God's word, everything we are experiencing right now is as a result of our negligence to teach our children what will build contentment in their hearts.

God's word urges us

TRAIN YOUR CHILD SO THAT HE WILL GIVE YOU REST

Proverbs 29:17

Majority of humans today TRAIN their children to become oppressors of the less privileged, to create class amongst humans, to see themselves as better of than others. All these people terrorising us today are our own children, born bread and brought up in our midst!

So what is the fault of the person who counseled us NOT to get them irritated, but to train them up in his own mental regulations for them to know JUDICIAL DECISIONS of high value? Ephesians 6:4

LordReed:


Walking away specialist! Wehdone sir!

Perhaps this is your house!

GRIMMJOE:
Are you ok

If you're OK, i don't think you'll spend so much time on aoroloye's comments to the extent of filtering his boring lengthy write-ups in order to fish out something of use to you!

GRIMMJOE:
And you assumed I have deep respect for Fela because.
And who might this be.

Come on, Fela Anikulapo Kuti was a world class legend!

I don't expect you to have deep respect for anyone NOT even yourself because you're just a hopeless ATHEIST!

What i'm saying is Fela also was an advocate of FREETHINKING so if you truthfully believe in the concept you need to meditate on his word!

Human right na my PROPERTY!

So nobody has the right to deprive anyone the right to speech, expression or worship!

MuttleyLaff:
I reiterate, you better just now, own up that you arent 100% sure, about alleged "promise miracles" and about the Bible emphasizing a lot about miracle, but fails performing them in real life too, else I'll have no choice to pull you up and ask to provide the Bible verses you have based your assumption of this on, lol.

Please provide the Bible verses you have based your assumption of this on, of the Bible emphasizes a lot about miracle. Thank you.

Act 3:16, Deuteronomy 10:21, John 2:11, Luke 18:27, Mark 9:23, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 19:26, Act 9:11-12.
And my favorite Jeremiah 32:27

MuttleyLaff:
I was under the impression when you used "showstopper" you meant it in the sense of being an obstacle to further progress, you know, as like in meaning, something that's become a deal-breaker. Yeah? This is why I requested that you give me 2-3 examples of "religion" being a showstopper, but I can now see, that you apparently meant "showstopper" in the context of something exceptionally arresting, to the extent of capturing and holding one's attention in awe etcetera.

Yes not the literal meaning of the word.

MuttleyLaff:
To you, miracles then are showstoppers, I can give you that and live with it as well but you still dont know that, religion could be a miracle, but not all miracles, are religion. I keep trying to make you guys know what the distinction in true and pure religion is, but to no avail

Okay, let know this distinction you talk about, maybe it will bring back the dead, who knows.

Maximus69:


Come on, Fela Anikulapo Kuti was a world class legend!

I don't expect you to have deep respect for anyone NOT even yourself because you're just a hopeless ATHEIST!

What i'm saying is Fela also was an advocate of FREETHINKING so if you truthfully believe in the concept you need to meditate on his word!

Human right na my PROPERTY!

So nobody has the right to deprive anyone the right to speech, expression or worship!

Atheist means disbelief in all know God, there's no advocate.

What you're ask is prove God exist, if you can't it's fine.

As for the sun part you made no sense, you don't have to it's ok,

As for the demon you can't prove occupy space, it's fine.

This is an argument, it simply is an argument, if you feel forced or pressurized it's up to you it's simply an argument.

Maximus69:


If you're OK, i don't think you'll spend so much time on aoroloye's comments to the extent of filtering his boring lengthy write-ups in order to fish out something of use to you!

If you can you don't have to, it's an argument.

What's the difference between your God and their God, you both call your self Christian.

GRIMMJOE:
Atheist means disbelief in all know God, there's no advocate.

What you're ask is prove God exist, if you can't it's fine.

As for the sun part you made no sense, you don't have to it's ok,

As for the demon you can't prove occupy space, it's fine.

This is an argument, it simply is an argument, if you feel forced or pressurized it's up to you it's simply an argument.

Well i am NOT interested in fruitless hopeless and meaningless ARGUMENTS!

I'm one of the wise, we do things for PRACTICAL BENEFITS, so if your argument is of no benefit.

I'll just wave you goodbye with a friendly smile!

GRIMMJOE:
If you can you don't have to, it's an argument.

What's the difference between your God and their God, you both call your self Christian.

The difference is the IQ, if you can't notice it that's your cup of tea!

You lack intelligence, you can't say there is no God, yet worrying yourself about what your fellowman resolve in his own mind!

As long as i don't disturb you from swallowing your amala, i have the right to think, say or do whatever i want with my life!

The one and only reason you can question me on that is if you believe in a Supreme Being or Higher intelligence "GOD"

In the absence of that, each person is entitled to his/her own PERSONAL opinion, and nobody owe anybody any explanation for whatsoever he/she chooses to believe!

@GRIMMJOE

This is how true Christians deal with the stupid people who think they are wise!

You're expecting me to start quoting the Bible when i already know you don't believe (trust) the book.

Now that i keep the book behind to deal with you based on what you believe "common sense", how have you proven to be wiser than me?

Rather you've turned out to be a fool, quoting words from the same book you want to debunk!

You stupidly said
"LYING is a crime" whereas there is nowhere you can see anything of such if not in God's word Bible

You stupidly said

"LYING is a SIN" how could you have been so stupid to say something like that, when the word SIN has no weight if not viewed from a religious perspective?

Well learn from me today!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
The one and only TRUE Christian organization on this planet. You can ridicule those false religionists with their credulity. But when you come to face us you will be silenced even in your own thinking! Job 5:13 compare to Isaiah 54:17

Farewell!

Maximus69:
@GRIMMJOE

This is how true Christians deal with the stupid people who think they are wise!

You're expecting me to start quoting the Bible when i already know you don't believe (trust) the book.

Now that i keep the book behind to deal with you based on what you believe "common sense", how have you proven to be wiser than me?

Rather you've turned out to be a fool, quoting words from the same book you want to debunk!

You stupidly said
"LYING is a crime" whereas there is nowhere you can see anything of such if not in God's word Bible

You stupidly said

"LYING is a SIN" how could you have been so stupid to say something like that, when the word SIN has no weight if not viewed from a religious perspective?

Well learn from me today!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
The one and only TRUE Christian organization on this planet. You can ridicule those false religionists with their credulity. But when you come to face us you will be silenced even in your own thinking! Job 5:13 compare to Isaiah 54:17

Farewell!

You're forgetting that you're a Jehovah's Witness because your parents are.

If you believe you were born with your religion, remember others too were born with it, if you were thought so were others.

The only religion that matters is that which is proven, but there is none.

GRIMMJOE:

(1)You're forgetting that you're a Jehovah's Witness because your parents are.

(2)If you believe you were born with your religion, remember others too were born with it, if you were thought so were others.

(3)The only religion that matters is that which is proven, but there is none.

(1) Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! None of my families is a JW, i only had about my grandpa's junior brother who died two weeks to my birth. He was the only man who studied with JWs but he didn't live long enough to practice it!
(2) I was born a Muslim, i lived a neutral person for almost three decades before i began noticing the highest form of reasoning amongst JWs!
(3) Of course the one and only needs to be proven! But God's thought is higher than man's, so man shouldn't be the one to set such parameters or how it's to be proved!

The prove only becomes obvious where all institutions failed woefully, the one and only institution belonging to God will come out victoriously scoring 100%!


Humans have initiated so many groups and organizations in other to unite people of all sorts, both religious and none religious.
RELIGIOUS
~Christendom Churches
~Islam
~Buddhism
~Shintoism
~Judaism and
~Aboriginals
None RELIGIOUS
~Olympic and other sport programs
~Musical programs
~Beauty contexts
~WHO and other health groups
~UN and other political organizations
~UNESCO
~RED CROSS
just to mention the ones i could remember, were all initiatives of man to unite people and eradicate racial prejudice in the human society.

With all the effort, resources and time spent for almost 2,000 years that most of this groups have been commissioned, humans getting involved with all these organizations found it extremely difficult to eradicate Racism and Politics (the only two factors causing hatred amongst humans)!

So if JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES now comes up to say there is a God somewhere out there that can make this seemingly impossible task a reality, and they're able not just to say it but PROVED it by uniting all those that come under that organization as a global family of peace loving people! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3

Well i don't need any further PROOF of the existence of such an invisible Spirit Being that's behind such a great achievement!

Jehovah's Witnesses prefer being referred to as ORGANIZATION/ SOCIETY/ GROUP rather than bearing any collective name that can make them a member of one of those mentioned organizations and groups! Notice that even the group name Christians they've left behind due to the way Christendom Churches have profaned it {Isaiah 65:15} they prefer to be called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Call them anything you wish but just don't refer to them as a DENOMINATION of the Christendom Churches! But since each group or organization must belong to an association, JWs claims NOT a part of the Christian DENOMINATIONS but the one and only organization of TRUE Christians!

Maximus69:


(1) Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! None of my families is a JW, i only had about my grandpa's junior brother who died two weeks to my birth. He was the only man who studied with JWs but he didn't live long enough to practice it!
(2) I was born a Muslim, i lived a neutral person for almost three decades before i began noticing the highest form of reasoning amongst JWs!
(3) Of course the one and only needs to be proven! But God's thought is higher than man's, so man shouldn't be the one to set such parameters or how it's to be proved!

The prove only becomes obvious where all institutions failed woefully, the one and only institution belonging to God will come out victoriously scoring 100%!


Humans have initiated so many groups and organizations in other to unite people of all sorts, both religious and none religious.
RELIGIOUS
~Christendom Churches
~Islam
~Buddhism
~Shintoism
~Judaism and
~Aboriginals
None RELIGIOUS
~Olympic and other sport programs
~Musical programs
~Beauty contexts
~WHO and other health groups
~UN and other political organizations
~UNESCO
~RED CROSS
just to mention the ones i could remember, were all initiatives of man to unite people and eradicate racial prejudice in the human society.

With all the effort, resources and time spent for almost 2,000 years that most of this groups have been commissioned, humans getting involved with all these organizations found it extremely difficult to eradicate Racism and Politics (the only two factors causing hatred amongst humans)!

So if JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES now comes up to say there is a God somewhere out there that can make this seemingly impossible task a reality, and they're able not just to say it but PROVED it by uniting all those that come under that organization as a global family of peace loving people! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3

Well i don't need any further PROOF of the existence of such an invisible Spirit Being that's behind such a great achievement!

Jehovah's Witnesses prefer being referred to as ORGANIZATION/ SOCIETY/ GROUP rather than bearing any collective name that can make them a member of one of those mentioned organizations and groups! Notice that even the group name Christians they've left behind due to the way Christendom Churches have profaned it {Isaiah 65:15} they prefer to be called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Call them anything you wish but just don't refer to them as a DENOMINATION of the Christendom Churches! But since each group or organization must belong to an association, JWs claims NOT a part of the Christian DENOMINATIONS but the one and only organization of TRUE Christians!

This maybe true Maximus, but you lie a lot.

GRIMMJOE:
This maybe true Maximus, but you lie a lot.

I chose to ignore the accusation of being a liar because it's not written anywhere in your laws (human laws based on common sense) that it's a crime to lie!

But if you want to address the issue, please point to where i've lied to you and let's see if it was indeed a lie or just one of your assumptions as usual!

GRIMMJOE:

THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!

These are ATHEISTS claiming Christians, all they've chosen to do is milk their fellow man that's stupid, misinformed and gullible to satisfy their selfish material wants!

Deep down in their hearts, they don't believe in the existence of any God, but who can unravel such deep things in their hearts if not the TRUE Christians?

Just tell them you belong to any religion whatsoever and see how they'll be trying to change your mind in a calm way to come and join their PERSONAL business venture called Church, but tell them you're having anything to do with Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) and see how they'll become so troubles!

The secret is that is the one and only organization that's not part of their deceptive groups!

Maximus69:


THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!

These are ATHEISTS claiming Christians, all they've chosen to do is milk their fellow man that's stupid, misinformed and gullible to satisfy their selfish material wants!
Deep down in their hearts, they don't believe in the existence of any God, but who can unravel such deep things in their hearts if not the TRUE Christians?

Just tell them you belong to any religion whatsoever and see how they'll be trying to change your mind in a calm way to come and join their PERSONAL business venture called Church, but tell them you're having anything to do with Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) and see how they'll become so troubles!

The secret is that is the one and only organization that's not part of their deceptive groups!

Is it that I'm dreaming or I'm leaving in a world filled with idíots.

Next Sunday this one will dress going to church. Bunch of clowns.

GRIMMJOE:
Is it that I'm dreaming or I'm leaving in a world filled with idíots.

Next Sunday this one will dress going to church. Bunch of clowns.

What's the meaning of all these?

Are you sure your brain is still working?

Maximus69:


What's the meaning of all these?

Are you sure your brain is still working?

Just pointing out the hypocritical nature of religion, boko haram believe they are fighting against western education yet use the same technology they provide to kill.

The truth is nobody wants to do anything, nobody wants to change the world , they just want to do their time here on earth and proceed to an inexistent heaven.

It is so bad, that some are willing to become suicide bombers to speed up the process.

GRIMMJOE:
Just pointing out the hypocritical nature of religion, boko haram believe they are fighting against western education yet use the same technology they provide to kill.

The truth is nobody wants to do anything, nobody wants to change the world , they just want to do their time here on earth and proceed to an inexistent heaven.

It is so bad, that some are willing to become suicide bombers to speed up the process.

Hmmmmmmmm that's what is called BRAINWASHING

TRUE FAITH will equip adherents and makes them a blessing to the society NOT a curse!

But the fact remains that there are lots of things people do that they don't know the evil implications following it, so when faithful people turn down such things, physical men who are spiritually blind start taking offenses.

For instance
Birthday, Christmas, New Year, Easter, Valentine are traps set by the unseen beings to hold people hostage to racism and politics but only the wise can understand this!