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honeric01:
Nice points

How about those who practice bestiality? what if the animal involve does not show any sign of being forced or oppressed into doing the act, does that mean there's a mutual consent and that both of them are doing it willingly?

The problem with Bestiality is that only certain types can be proved consensual. That is those that involve a sexually active male animal (surely we have seen male dogs on people's legs and begin pumping). In such a case if the male animal approaches a consenting human female, then we could say the bestial sexuality is consensual. So maybe American women unable to find boyfriends may begin marrying their male dogs? Who knows, they love dogs in USA?

With male humans on female animals, this is harder to prove, since it is hard to find signs the female animal is consenting.

ElRazur:
You cannot fix something as deep as sexual orientation. It is part of one's identity and make up.

ElRazur, go and read up more on human cultures, psychology and sexuality. You will realize that incest is the earliest form of loving relationships. That is why it was so prevalent throughout human societies, cultures, myths and religions.

It is a deliberate discrimination by society at large that prevents incest from emerging in the modern world. But it still happens and will continue to happen, especially with modern birth control.

The only prejudice by homosexuals is that they defend only their selfish form of sexuality at the expense of incestuous sexuality, that is just as badly discriminated against as homosexuality. When you support incest, then I know you truly speak for equal rights. If not then you are just another prejudiced human being who frowns on variants of sexuality.

ElRazur:
By 99.9% I am in other words saying "Majority" frowns on it. What is there not to understand? 

The majority of human cultures also frown on homosexuality, despite its historical existence in the same cultures.

With regards to myths, they are stories that humans created to understand their worlds. Myths always reflect realities in the cultures that created the said myths. And those myths influenced daily life. In ancient Egypt, the rulers of the land married their own sisters because their myths told them this was the most sacrosanct form of marriage.

The position of modern-day homosexuals is that the demand equal rights. But these equal rights apply to everybody, so incestuous marriage requires equal rights too. Consensual blood-sports that result in killing, demand equal rights too. After all the combatants consented to fight to the death (and soldiers are not tried for murder of enemies either, but police are). Yet societies always discriminate against certain things in a hypocritical manner. The very same manner in which homosexuals discriminate against incest and pedophelia. Sad!

manny4life:
Don't worry I'm not gay, I just think for gay rights and equality should be given to them even my President Obama advocates for gay rights doesn't make him gay. A lot of  highly powerful men and women on Capitol Hill even in the government from Justice Dept to Defense to etc. advocate for same rights.

Well you haven't stated what these " Basic moral being of man" is ? You all figured it all by yourself that whites are feeling sorry for themselves because of the same freedom, or they are feeling sorry because they have lost that same freedom guaranteed and protected under the law. Hmmm, as for philosophy, I wasn't a philosophy major, but I did at least classes on psychology that has taught me a whole lot. Even history dictates homosexuality back to the days of before Christ.

Why not also add the rights for "INCEST". It is even more prevalent in human cultures throughout history than homosexuality. Almost all primitive cultures accepted incest until birth defects made humans run away from incestuous relations. Still while on the topic of equality, since incest can involve loving relationships too. Imagine that the 65yrear old (Colin Coward) is the father of 25 for Nigerian Bobby, but they are very much in love and homosexual. We then have incestuous homosexual marriage. Today, I only see lobbying for non-incestuous marriage. Kindly add incest to the homosexual agenda for equal rights too.

Best regard.

Ifygurl:
Some of you guys.  Na so?  Are you their parents, lovers, siblings or in any way shape of form related to them.  They are getting married because they love eachother.  stop acting like gays are some disgraceful, disgusting human beings. You can't change someone's sexuality. 
Anyway, congrats to the new couple and I wish them the best of luck.

Ifygurl, I hope you know that in many world myths (and even tribal religions), incestuous marriage was very common. In some cultures marriage among first cousins is still very popular. Yet the Americans discriminate against incest? Why the double standards when incest has existed historically even more common than homosexuality? In fact there are historical cases of incest. Read up on the Oedipus complex and the Electra complex (one a son intimate with mother, the other even more popular, fathers intimate with their daughters). And with condoms and birth control, incest does not need to result in birth defects either. Simply adopt children like the homosexuals propose for themselves.

Unless I see incestuous marriage added to the "Gay-agenda" of marriage for all, then I feel very comfortable in considering homosexuals bigots against other forms of sexuality and thus their talk of homo-marriage is just a selfish farce.

(ps. We may have a new complex too when homo-sexual fathers become intimate with their adopted sons in future).

ElRazur misses the point by stating this? What is homosexuality got to do with incest? 99.9% of the world frown at incestuous acts so what exactly is your point?   Huh Abeg post something meaningful.

Where did you get your statistics of 99.9%? That is pure ignorance on you part, and gross ignorance of human culture and religions.


If ElRazur takes time out from engaging in liberalist propaganda to actually study human history, you will realize that most human beings, even the most primitive adopted some form of religion. Every one of those religions have creation myths and these usually include incest. Therefore, incest is one of the oldest forms of human sexuality.

Hence, if the homosexuals are so anti-incest and bigoted in their mindsets against incestuous marriage, why should the majority of the world's non incestuous heterosexuals support either incest or homosexuality? One deviation is just as bad as the other. But if homosexuals believe in equality then let them add incestuous marriage to the Homo-Agenda.

For those like ElRazur who support homosexuality, this is not the only abnormality in nature. For thousands of years in every single human culture, the gods themselves supported incests between Fathers and daughters and brothers and sisters, sometimes even Mothers and sons (though less common than the previous too).

Sadly, reproduction via incest leads to children with deformities, so many societies shunned this. However, fortunately for the modern man, with birth control, it is now possible to have safe incest without risking deformed babies.

Therefore, as homosexuals demand their rights to marry, soon it will also be popular for fathers to marry daughters etc. Hopefully, the homosexuals will not deny the rights for incestuous marriages? As ElRazur said, normality is relative, so modern society can normalize anything today. Ironically, in the USA it is a crime for an 18 yr old to make love to a 16yr old. But a 16yr boy old can comfortably impregnate a 14yr old girl without facing statutory rape. What a world!

Lessons for the Faithful
Christians have for long stood idly by and failed to defend their faith from attack by unbelievers. That is why in Islam, they have Jihad.
Without have to resort to Jihad, there are still ways to use the arguments  of intolerant secular atheists (especially their beliefs) against them.

(a) Exposing Secularist Hypocrisy 101
It is interesting to observe the intolerant secular atheists complain about religious beliefs such as this quote:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." [Deut.5:7]

Strangely, enough, the secular atheist himself falls victim to faith and religion that he hates.
The difference is that "science" becomes the god of atheism and their adherents believe "Thou shalt have no other gods but science as your god".
Furthermore, atheists accept that even science has its limitations, but they still have faith in science. Faith is a deeply held believe in something even without explicitly having presentable verifiable evidence. Hence, secular atheists believe in a limited god of science, not the omnipotent of religion.

Now, here is where the argument of secular atheists breaks down. Since, they do not believe in an afterlife, and all life lives once on this planet then dies forever, is seems counter-intuitive that the very same secular atheists believe in the abortion of unborn babies. Note, that according to the secular view, since life only comes once and is unique to each genetic sequence, the abortion of a baby destroys a potential unique lifeform, that could have only existed once on this planet and never again. Thus their crime against life is more horrendous when viewed through their beliefs.

Next, the secular atheist will spread the evolutionary propaganda theory as fact. Once again, a problem results for those secular atheists who wish to promote homosexuality as natural. If evolution resulted in the rise of the mammalian lifeform, and if that lifeform evolved into only male and female sexes as distinct creatures for the purpose of reproduction, then where does homosexuality fit in? Bees and ants are insects so evolved differently, including having six similar appendages unlike humans with four in two pairs (arms and legs).

But things get even worse for the secular atheists, since according to their own religion they call science, the purpose of evolutionary life is to grow, reproduce and spread. Hence, reproduction is even more important to the evolutionary theory than religion, where God can create life at a whim.

Then they give the illusion that equality exists in our world as the natural order. By their very own theory of evolution, they see humanity as the most evolved lifeform and thus dominant over all other lifeforms. Even in human societies practicing democracy, the President of the USA is entitled to better security protection than a street-cleaner who can get murdered in an alley-way without affection the course of American history. Right here on this forum, watch and see how a secular atheist will jump to defend the rights of American soldiers to murder innocent Afghani children, and observe that equal rights are not truly equal for all humans. "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" [George Orwell author of Animal Farm]. That was an interesting novel that exposed the failure of communist propaganda that all men would be equal under communism.

There are many instances of using the argument of a secular atheist against him, but many religious faithful are unaware, so watch and learn please!

thehomer:
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No one asks you to support them. I've repeated this several times. I think you really need to read replies to your posts.
Also, I hope you do realize that people can and are good without this sort of belief in your/any God.
I'm actually considering posting questions of mine that you've not answered or hinted at.

You are deliberately FORCING civil society to accept your view that homosexuality is normal, yet you are dodging the issue of INCEST.
If we assume that a deviant sexual activity that occurs in a small percentage of human society or even mammals is normal, and only consent between adults is the final requirement, we can find all these in INCEST. Hence supporting Homosexuality equals supporting Incest.

As for my articles, I always read them and deliberately use them to showcase the insiduous manipulations by the Homafia to target innocent children to capture the next generation into their universal ideal of Homosexuality for all.
Just because the Homafia has had failures in their world domination, does not mean we must desist from being watchful against their next strategy of attack.

Finally, since you so elaborately state that Homosexual-supporters like yourself could not give a damn about tolerating deeply-rooted religious views of a vast majority of human beings, the rest of heterosexual and religious humanity use the very same argument to ignore the existence of biological mistakes (which sadly occupy a small percentage of natural populations of living organisms).

thehomer:
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I'm not sure if you're doing this deliberately, but no one is asking you to support homosexuals in their fight for equality. The statement simply recognizes gays as members of society.
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Did you even read the article you posted? How does the option of condoms encourage you to have intimacy? You would most likely do it anyway it just makes things safer. This is why as a parent, it is your responsibility to raise your child properly and not start blaming others for your failures.
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Firstly, your statements seem to imply you are a staunch support of homosexuality. Sorry, if I read you wrong. In that case welcome back to the fold of morally religious human beings. God is very forgiving of human failings.

However, if you are still trying to ram your view of the normalcy of all abnormal sexual behaviors (incest, homosexuality, pedophelia), then civil society already has very descriptive definitions and do not need your own. Therefore, civil society already acknowledges the biological mistakes that occur and seeks divine atonement to deliver you from evil. It was such valiant moral human resistance that defeated one of the Homafias insidious plots to introduce masturbation, pedophilia and incest to German children as young as 6 years. There may still be hope for morality in this world of growing degradation of values.

Furthermore, you stated that homosexuals do not care to support incest. Similarly, moral humans do not care to support homosexual or other deviant sexual misfits either. Just using your own arguments to defend my position too.

Excellent. There we have strait from the horses mouth.

Homosexuals CANNOT condemn incest between consensual adults, because the whole premise of promoting homosexuality is to deny any moral inhibitions and focus on history incidents of deviancy in human culture. Hence, by implications homosexuals MUST support incest, because that is how the Homafia themselves have tried to perpetrate their own deviant sexuality on civil society.

The rest of us have very clear stances against all forms of deviant sexual behavior, no matter how many minority incidents happened in human history. 
It is so easy. No need for violence. Just teach our children that biological mistakes happen. Nature is not perfect. But mistakes are not to be glorified.

Just say NO to the intolerant secular atheists and their attacks on world religion. If not, then our 6 year olds will come home with condoms and the next day with stories of penetration.

mazaje:
Are you still talking about incest, Do you know that Abraham the founder of your religion married his sister?. . . .

Personally, I am totally AGAINST incest.   
But for those Intolerant Secular Atheists, science has created condoms to assist pepetrators of "safe incest". Even better, amongst homosexuals pregnancy is not even a hindrance to INCEST between father and son, since only anal penetration is involved.

However, I have also stated that INCEST is prevalent in all human cultures, mythology and religions and especially mammalian animals. Kindly read my previous posts. But I also wish to point out that homosexuals are not the only party able to use ridiculous facts of the existence of abberations in nature to support homosexuality as normal lifestyle. If such facts of consenting adults and love are the foundation, we can find the same to support INCEST.

What is your homosexual stance on consensual INCEST, please? For must normal people, all sexual deviations are abnormalities that need suppression from the mainstream.

Worldwide Social Depravity riding on the success of the Homafia methodology of equality for all human deviations from the norm:

German's insidiously encouraging INCEST. Where does the madness end?
"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds".

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3598

In closing, those already engaged in one sexual deviation are unable to CONDEMN another. That is why the religious must BLOCK them all from seeing the light of day, or the madness will never end but continue growing more horrendous with each passing generation.

thehomer:
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I don't understand what you're getting at here. The act you just described was a heterosexual one. If you wish to support incest, you are free to do so. Homosexuals do not have to support whatever you support just because you think they should. Also, please try to understand that homosexuals are not homogeneous in what they think.

"TheHomer" has tried very hard to force his homosexual preference down our throats but shoots himself in the foot with the above quote.

"TheHomer" presents this fact:
"homosexuals do NOT have to support INCEST or any other thing we think they should support"

My argument using "TheHomer" argument against him:
"heterosexual do NOT have to support any thing the homosexuals want either" so we have an IMPASSE. 

thehomer:
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You're now also claiming that children are encouraged to experiment with sex? There is really no need to resort to lies.
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Of course the Homafia can only use an Intolerant Secularist Society already biased negatively against religion can support the depravity below:
Their argument is that they are not deliberately targeting homosexual behavior. But no Christian school will support carnal intimacy for 6 year olds. Only a depraved secularist society, the only kind of society that will also encourage other forms of deviant sexual conduct like "man-on-boy".

Six Year Olds being given condoms for Safe Sex at their age
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/06/sixyear-olds-can-now-get-free-unlimited-condoms-in-massachusetts-town.html

NOTE: In the USA sex by adults with minors is statutory despoil, so why is sex between minors encouraged?

Believers should beware: The Homafia is out with a diabolical plan to brainwash our children with the lies of equality and sexual freedom. This cannot be!

es, it is truly sad to see that with so many problems in the world, Barack Obama prefers to dedicate a whole month to celebrate biological abnormalities. There are many people who born "autistic". Should we now identify autism as a normal human condition? Biology like any manufacturing process is not 100% accurate. However, the majority is the law of success, since evolution propagates success and leads to further majority domination. Thus, we can safely say that only 90% of humans who are born either male or female are the normal ones (granting about 10% to be unfortunate biological defects, who are tolerated but not glorified).

What is even sadder, is that Obama a black man has refused to focus on African problems like the horrendous sexual atrocities in the Democractic Republic of Congo and instead chases shadows in the Afghan mountains (deliberately killing innocent Afghani children in remote-controlled missile attack games). This is evidence that the USA does NOT give a damn about human rights. Only selfish national interests guide President Barack Obama, like every American leader.

The USA refuses to ratify a ban on Land Mines! How hypocritical for a nation espousing Human Rights. But they have the time for sexual deviations
http://www.icbl.org/index.php/icbl/Universal/MBT/States-Not-Party

It is so sad, that when the White-men tell Black-men to jump, even a black President of the USA must jump to the White-man's tune. Let Africans arrive at their own conclusions of moral depravity without pressure from the most hypocritical nation on Earth dictating terms. A nation built upon the most atrocious genocide in human history when thousands upon thousands of Native Americans were eradicated from living existence and their lands confiscated. A nation where NOT even one Native American has become President of USA after over 300 years enslaved by the White-mans government. The only country in human history to have used Nuclear weapons on innocent children without any remorse. A nation now promoting its culture of indecency as a new international standard as if that is the most important aspect of our world today.

Please, people do NOT be fooled by the illusions of freedom in secular societies. This is the greatest secular delusion on planet earth. Right now in the USA, there are so many instances of secular intolerance against American Christians, that it is little wonder many believe the Anti-Christ must be a modern-day American leader. Just imagine a group of students (about 90%) wish to pray (popular here in Naija), before a student meeting, and a minority of intolerant atheist bigots silence the whole bunch?  Does this resemble tolerance or intolerance? The USA is bound to implode sooner rather than later.

Classic example of Intolerant Secularism (State BANS prayer in a private Christian school). Tolerance indeed!
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=90942

Sometimes SILENCE speaks louder than words.  Notice how two obvious abominations of (a) cannibalism and (b) incest, that would normally elicit condemnation from most moral and religious human beings have sadly been unable to elicit condemnation from proponents of sexual deviation. This is most telling, is it not? In a secular morally bankrupt society, deviations become the norm, hence it is essential for us normals to stand our ground and avoid becoming victims of growing diabolical society being created in the USA.

Nuff said! 

http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/07/23/more-pro-homosexual-discrimination/

Some interesting insights into why certain members of the Homafia support pro-homosexual discrimination but cry foul against those who do not support the homosexual world view. For those who do no have time to read the whole story, in brief, a group of LESBIANS discriminated against all males, including homosexuals and transgenders. Those lesbians claimed their right to run an exclusively female lesbian company.

The fact is that equal rights have always been an illusion, as highlihted by the USA deliberately murdering children of other nations through targeted air-strikes agains SUSPECTED terrorists. Note a suspect is not guilty until proven.

With regards to Intolerant and Extremist Secularism:
The Homafia has associated itself closely with atheists in deliberate attacks on all symbols of Christianity, Islam and other faiths. In some schools in the USA, even the moment of silence was challenged by some aetheists who said that such behavior disriminated against those who do not believe in any form of prayer, irrespective of faith. Their reasons are simply diabolical. Most religons view homosexuality as abnormal, because as I stated earlier, religions were built on the premise of reproduction by divine command.

Hence, if our intolerant secularists with their homosexual allies support their right to discriminate against things they do not believe, why should the majority of normal heterosexual Christian society promote what it considers deviancy.

thehomer:
No one is forcing you to accept anything. If you are not gay then live your life. Just let others live their own lives too.
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What does incest have to do with the topic at hand? I won't even bother with your allusions to my thoughts.

"TheHomer" may notice that I am trying to showcase that his so-called vision of Tolerance is a BIG LIE and even Homosexuals are guility of disrimination against other miniorities.

LEVERAGING HOMOSEXUALITY AS A PLATFORM TO PROMOTE THE ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE OF INCEST
For example, taking the arguments of "TheHomer" that mammals have minority populations that are homosexual can also be applied to the fact that mammals are also guilty of rampant incest. However, why is it that many homosexuals discriminate against incest and even support laws banning incest amongst consenting adults?Applying the secular theory of immorality and freedom of choice, INCEST in modern society between a father and his 18 year old daughter should be a right, since with condoms and other birth control, unwanted pregnancies can be avoided. If we allow one deviation, why not allow all others?

Secondly, cannibalizing also exists in nature. So if it is unavoidable in certain situations amongst humans, should be also teach its practice to equip our children for such situations.

Finally, the new trend of "intolerant secularism" is the deliberate discrimination and intolerance of all religious themes such as changing 2010 A.D. (Anno Domini) into the ridiculous C.E. (Common Era, but common based on what relative point, the Birth of Christ?)

And "TheHomer" has not answered the question of transgenders born biological males, but who then deliberately mutilate their bodies to appear female, despite science still identifying them as male based XY chromosomes in their sperm which cannot transform into female XX eggs no matter how many plastic surgeries are carried out
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(ps. As for the USA sponsoring Homosexual NGOs, surely you can Google this yourself).

Blazay:
So supporting gay rights makes him an anti-Christ?
Was reaching out to the gay population of the US not one of the agenda on his presidential compaign manisfesto?
Or we forget sometimes that we are not dealing with Nigerian politics?



If you want to the absolute truth and word of GOd to guit 'them', please start with your own country Nigeria. The affairs of other nations should not concern you as much, especially when you have more to deal with in your own country Nigeria. In other words, mind your own business.

The affairs of other nations concern AMERICA so much, that the have a list of countries targeted for covert CIA operations.
The USA has even shamelessly, declared  the use of taxpayers money to support NGOs that actively promote homosexuality in Africa.

Furthermore, if the Homafia were not intent on forcing their deviant lifestyle on the majority of God-fearing people, they would be content with legislation that protects all human beings against violence. Instead the Homafia wants special (a) "Gay Pride" parades, instead of (b) "Godly atonement against unnatural homosexual tendencies". Note, both address the same issue but one glorifies deviance, while the other seeks divine guidance and atonement.

QUESTION to TheHomer and Mantraa?
Are Transgendered men normal in physically mutilating their bodies to give the illusion they are female? Is it not better for them to accept themselves as gay men instead of forcefully trying to become female?

thehomer:
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Are you seriously claiming that minority groups are unnatural? I think you really need to understand that secular people are not homogenous but have their own independent views on various issues. You are simply committing the strawman fallacy over and over again. I think you need to study something about secular humanism. Here's a nice link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism
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Obese people are not prevented from competing. They are simply not good enough at the sport. It is not surprising that a slimmer and more physically fit person would perform better at e.g a 100 metres dash than an obese person. Do you think the U.S team wants to lose?
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Is the U.S forcing it on you personally? They are simply giving recognition to yet another group of humans. Attaching "homo" to a word does not automatically make it a bad word. I sometimes do wonder what Africa is actually interested in.
And please stop putting words in my mouth.

Have you heard of "Intolerant Secularism and "Secular Extremism" including violent opposition to religious views?
This is a growing trend and also a strong unifying factor of modern Secularism as practiced in many so-called "Western nations".
Have you heard of "Weightism"? This is deliberate discrimination based on somebody's weight even when irrelevant like a behind-the counter sales rep in a beauty shop.

http://www.cswd.org/docs/faq.html

"Intolerant Atheism and Secular Extremism" as the modern secular "isms" of hatred and intolerance, including the persecution of religious individuals and groups by former Colonials.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169145/Religion-hatred-Why-longer-cowed-secular-zealots.html?ITO=1490
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=166832

Evidence of American commercial exploitative Sexual-colonialism and "Mark of the Beast" (as if it was not the colonial White-men who tagged Africans "savages" because of traditional African sexual appetites including polygamy, a crime in USA):
Courts in the USA pressured ICANN to finally operate the .Bleep Domain Names for sex addicts,  something European colonials initially banned :-(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10412765.stm

And finally, I do not take Biblical stories at face value, but I also expose evolution in nature as always preferring large majorities over tiny minorities, even if 10% of mammals are homosexual.

mantraa:
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Please do not say kill them all or anything ridiculous or barbaric like that. Just because they are different, they are still human beings just like me and you and deserve equal human rights.
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Basic Human Rights are an "illusion". In reality, the USA considers the lives of American soldiers worth more than the lives of Afghani and Iraqi children.
The Israelis, especially the Jews, consider the lives of each Jew worth 100 times the life of each Palestinian child. That is why when a crazy Palestinian terrorist in Gaza fires a rocket and kills one Jew, the Jewish nation of Israel (notice that is what they call themselves), is willing to deliberately murder hundreds of Palestinian children through direct bombing actions or indirect starvation caused by blockades. Universal rights do NOT exist in our world.

Homosexuals, like obese human beings are suffering a biological accident of birth. Society must actively discourage the creation of more obese humans just as they should avoid glorifying homosexuality. Being a biological deviation does does not make it any more normal than cripples born without
hands (yes they do exist). For those non-religious who support evolution, if homosexuality was normal, they would out-number heterosexuals. Sadly, a 100percent homosexual lifestyle would lead to extinction of human beings without natural reproduction. But since a minority of homosexuals does not threaten extinction, they have been left behind by evolution like all other biological mistakes. Nature does not deliberately target loosers, since nature is not perfect. Like an Obese 100m sprinter, nobody wants him on a winning team, but nobody beats him to death either (except crazies).

However, human being who prefer perfection may focus on Eugenics, so that can human beings finally decide if the prefer a new world order of an exclusive homosexuals or heterosexual world. Or leave it as it remains with minority homosexuals and majority heterosexuals. And if we add democracy, with majority rule, then homosexuals are thrown into the closet.

However, homosexuals are still better than transgenders, who deliberate mutilate their bodies to deny their biological form. Hence, LGBT is a handicap to the homosexual movement.

MELAA:
Soon what happen to Sodom and Gomorrah will in no distant time happen to  AMERICA.

Exactly. The USA is fighting within itself on the definitions of universal rights. Without religion there is no absolute definition. The right to life, freedom, etc. are all values that change over time. Hence, one day, it will be legal to cannibalize humans for biological spare parts, it will be legal to clone if prefer children to be exact duplicates of yourself, it will even be legal for parents to have intimacy with their cloned children (ie. sex with yourself), it will be legal to transform into a human-animal hybrid as long as that takes place at the foetus stage, which in USA has no rights (animal or human), etc.

Read the latest American stupidity:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/23/connecticut-school-removes-lord-reference-high-school-diplomas/?test=latestnews

Anyone accepting this year as 2010 A.D., however, inaccurate to the actual date of the Birth of Jesus Christ, has already committed to accepting that someone known as Jesus Christ is the foundation for our modern calendar. Hiding the fact with references like Common Era (CE) or Before Commone Era (BCE) is just denying reality, that the calender in use today was inspired by birth of Jesus Christ, despite any inaccuracies in historic dating systems. This is why the Muslims have their own calendar instead of playing with words like CE to represent AD (Anno Domini).

CLARIFICATION: "Our problem with humans is to identify which scenario will be natural? All three in my opinion. Which is moral. All three. If humans are secular and do NOT believe in an afterlife, then cannibalism is very practical, since survival on earth is the only life worth living for secular humans. Killing is also natural for them, since morality has no basis in secular practicality of survival".

Before "TheHomer" accuses  me of being impractical. Cannibalism is only practical when it ensures the survival of one human at the expense of a competitor human. Since biologically, two males are redundant, it is perfectly acceptable in a secular society for one male to kill and consume another that second competing to avoid death by starvation. Then the surviving male, now well fed, can seek females in heat to impregnate. It is not practical however, for a human to consume his child, if that child is of an age to survive alone. It is better for the child to consume the parent. ;-)

Lest I forget, when quoting the Bible, INCEST was normal at that time, since God only created Adam and Eve, so sexual intercourse between parents, and children and even amongst siblings was essential (Incest is also popular in World Mythologies). But incest has biological limitations when practiced over a long period, since such offspring have birth defects after several generations of incest. However, "TheHomer" should support INCEST, since in a SECULAR society encouraging condoms and abortions, the problems of offspring are eliminated. Furthermore, a father and daughter may be in so much love and of consenting age, that this is only natural by "TheHomers" view of nature.

The cartoon by OlaAdegbu is the best view of our world today. In reality, there is no such thing as EQUAL rights for everybody. The reality of nature on planet Earth as we call it, is that the strongest (predators) will consume the weaker (prey). However, the definition of strongest evolves and so does the target of consumption. ;-)

Firstly, for those who do NOT understand biology, the whole purpose of biological entities is to reproduce and spread. Humans have overcome this biological instinct trend and therefore, in that light humanity is itself an aberration to the natural order. However, carefully note that early religions supported biology with statements like: "God blessed Noah and his sons and said be fruitful and multiply" Gen. 9:1. Do not get me wrong but it would have been very hard to multiply if all the sons were homosexuals. ;-)

The whole silly argument by "TheHomer" to somehow justify that a minority of deviant humans involved in homosexuality is the natural order is not a reality so far. However, since human beings are notorious for bending nature to human whims, the Homafia in the USA [/b]is bending world opinion through the man of Obama to ensure in future it is homosexuals who are the dominant humans that prey on others. And they will use medical advances to propagate their genes, since they are biologically incapable of reproduction with fellow homosexuals of the same sex. ;-)
In the many human cultures of ages past (just like in modern prisons), homosexuality especially amongst males was a power thing. Dominate the weaker male by forcefully R.A.P.I.N.G. him. There was no consent or love. Love as the foundation for homosexuality is a modern marketing tool by homosexual males in USA to show their gentler feminine side and encourage younger homosexuals into the fold. :-(

[b]The NATURE of  Mankind:
Consider this scenario: A hungry lion is kept in the same room with his prey Gazelle and their is no other food for the lion except this Gazelle.
Does the lion refuse to follow his instincts and feed?
Now consider this: A hungry biologically strong human is kept in the same room with a weaker human. Because humans can over come their instincts the human may choose to first kill and then eat his follow human (cannibalism), or wait for the death of one through starvation before stooping to cannibalism, or most likely to both await death by starvation without cannibalism.

Our problem with humans is to identify which scenario will be natural for humans (who already deviate from nature anyway)? All three in my opinion, if I apply "TheHomer"s argument that even minorities are natural. Which is acceptable? Depending on your background, all three. If humans are secular and do NOT believe in an afterlife, then cannibalism is very practical, since survival on earth is the only life worth living for secular humans. Killing is also natural for them, since morality has no basis in secular practicality of survival. Survival is killing your competition and reproducing yourself.

Now let us consider Obesity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_of_obesity)

Scientists say it is genetic and unavoidable for some humans. So do we consider it natural? Years ago when humans were poor and hungry, it was unnatural. Today, in the USA in particular over a third of their children are obese. But is discrimination against obesity natural. If you consider most sports teams in the USA, they do NOT allow obese team mates in their starting line up. However, if you consider Sumo Wrestling, then it is unnatural NOT to be obese.

In closing, Africa is not interested in having another form of Homocolonialism taking hold. We are yet to come out of Economic and Religious colonialism and chart our own path. But the USA now wants to dictate what they believe are universal human rights. The very same USA that justifies the MURDER of innocent Afghan and Iraqi children by American bombs rather than risk the deaths of volunteer and well paid American soldiers in hand-to-hand fighting against terrorists.