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I am deactivating this account as well rather than wait once again for the gang up by a bunch of Yoruba ignorant trolls. You guys are not interested in the truth, you are not discussing history, you are just rewriting history to suit your ego. Logics has failed you lots

Lol, na wha o.

Iamgrey5:
Yorubas are the second largest tribe in Benin republic after the Fons, so it Is kind of still a Yoruba thing.

Yorubas are one of the major groups in Republic of Benin. Thank you for reminding the doofus.

thatigboman:
this marabout, typical yoruba Muslim, u are here lying to yourself.
Answer simple questions. Is your oduduwa from 'heaven' or Saudi Arabia or South East? 2ndly, when he fell from wherever he fel from and landed in ile ife ( wonder why he didnt land inside Atlantic ocean or Pacific ocean), didnt he meet Modakekes there?

Why don't you go back to drinking your ogogoro? This discussion is above your pay grade.

Iamgrey5:
Where is the logically logical guy.

He is now Mr. Nobody. He deactivated his account, I guess the humiliation was too much for him.

Iamgrey5:
screen grab the map and show me the dates

And stop foaming in the mouth

Lol

prolog31:
Go to hell, bastard rather than making me waste my time. Soon you will ask me to teach you how to popo. Idiot, I wasted this whole day talking to you bastards.

You need to log off before your brain starts to ooz out of your skull. Seems you are biting more than you can chew.

prolog31:
Perhaps like your brothers your intellect is too low, kindly fvck off then

You are not qualified to question my intellect. A completely dumb and emetional fool like you? You are a disgrace to the Benin people you are trying to defend.
You have no grasp of the subject you are labouring to discuss. I laugh at your ignorance.

prolog31:
I feel like I keep repeating myself. These maps were drawn by eyewitness ! And all except one of them was drawn by a French guy. Its as if you are brain dead ! Your "English account" wasn't done by eyewitness, rather it was done by a guy on that video ! Do you understand english ? And also the british and the french entered west Africa at the same period. How could you get so much things wrong in the same sentence ? It seems you still haven't realized you know nothing about the topic which you are debating and you are a very slow and dumb learner

Your posts are contradictory and full of insults. You are not making any reasonable or even logical arguments.
You are full of hot air.
The European account that is acceptable to you is the one which appears to support your claim. Others that doesn't support your point are made by people who were not eyewitnesses!
You are being clever by half.

Prolog31, looking at the thread and scared to comment.

LazyGold:
So the British claim that Benin learnt their Arts from Ile ife was made up by Yoruba?

And you are the one ranting that you need eye Witness and account from other people, but now that you have eye witness narration you are changing and twisting your words again?

This is also an account of a Portuguese that visited Benin and he acknowledged Ooni of Ife

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=hBTqPX4G9Y4C&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=joao+afonso+aveiro+ife&source=bl&ots=FQdVs4h4at&sig=LM0fpsmfzDkT7cG4SORdc1RsGyw&hl=en


You guys can deny Everything with Yoruba no one give a fvck but you should stop preaching and lieing about how Oduduwa was a Benin Prince. You can go look for your lost prince in Nri Kingdom since they also have founder that descended from the sky

Hehehehe, the European accounts doesn't matter if it doesn't support his theories. The same guy who said he relied on the written account of the Europeans.

MetaPhysical:
Im shocked at his dismissal of Ogiso as the genesis of Edo relevance. They dump anything indigeneous and claim the fables whitemen wrote for them.

If Ogizo did not exist, when then did he get his Ekalederhan story?

prolog31:
How is youur story relevant to a logical discussion ?

You keep mouthing logic and you are anything but logical.

prolog31:
History doesn't rely on fictions or rumours, it relies on eyewitness written documents. You guys need brain transplant

You are so freaking dumb. It means you had no history until the Europeans brought writing to this part of the world. Everything that existed before that was fable? You are indeed a funny one.

prolog31:
As I have already said right here, many many times, the ogisos are nothing but a story !!! They never existed ! Why do I constantly need to repeat myself ? It just dhows how desperate you guys are to claim Edo achievements and heritage, it is so sad you have no history and heritage

My history and heritage extends far beyond the shores of Nigeria.

prolog31:
As I have already said right here, many many times, the ogisos are nothing but a story !!! They never existed ! Why do I constantly need to repeat myself ? It just dhows how desperate you guys are to claim Edo achievements and heritage, it is so sad you have no history and heritage

The Ogizos never existed? Did you know the current Oba of Benin acknowledged Oranmiyan as the first Oba of Benin?
Who ruled the Benins before that?

prolog31:
What I am saying doesn't need reformulation, there is no eyewitness written text which acknowledges oyo as being an empire or a strong state or even old.

If there are no texts then it means it didn't happen? Is this what your logic is telling you?

prolog31:
Dude, the only liar here is you ! When exactly are the Edo supposed to have made that claim and why to the British of all people, there artifscts used to decorate Obapalace and all the european visitors saw them. The Edo even cared bronze showing the european visitors in the palace of the Oba. The way you guys just speak on behalf of others is incredible. You claim the British claim that the Edo claim ...wtf

There's no doubt in my mind some of these were the heads of Benin Obas casted in Ile ife. Are there any bronze heads of the ogizos? I doubt it.
If there are no ogizo bronze heads it means only one thing, the Yorubas brought the practice to Benin.

Iamgrey5:
He was damn funny

Then who where the Fulanis fighting?

Who had decades of war with the Nupes?

who did Afonja Betrayed?

His "logic" doesn't have answers for these type questions.

prolog31:
The problem is that there is no such text.

There is no account of The Fulanis and Dahomey contacts with the Oyo Empire? Is that what you are saying?

Iamgrey5:
Dahomey of current Benin republic

Ewe of Ghana

Nupes

Bariba

Hausas all claimed in their oral tradition to have come across Oyo empire

The name Yoruba was actually used to identify Yorubas of Oyo empire before the rest of the omoluabi's adopted it.

Yet, one Nairaland troll is claiming there was no Oyo empire

Please let the guy enjoy is Fairy tale I beg.

That guy is a funny one. He actually said there was no Oyo Empire.

prolog31:
I am doing no twisting, as I said I only rely on eyewitness accounts, I spent a huge part of my life in Europe going fromuseum yo museum in order to get the real history of my people and not some made up rubbish. That is why you won't seemed claiming this fairy tales of oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso and so on...All I do is rely on facts and logics. No sentiments...

You went to Europe to find out about the history of your people? Wrong place to start my friend. The same Europeans who thought the Ife Bronze heads were made some ancient Babylonians when they first saw it?
Oral history are not all mumbo jumbo. The place to start is home.

prolog31:
I am doing no twisting, as I said I only rely on eyewitness accounts, I spent a huge part of my life in Europe going fromuseum yo museum in order to get the real history of my people and not some made up rubbish. That is why you won't seemed claiming this fairy tales of oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso and so on...All I do is rely on facts and logics. No sentiments...

You went to Europe to find out about the history of your people? Wrong place to start my friend. The same Europeans who thought the Ife Bronze heads were made some ancient Babylonians when they first saw it?

prolog31:
care to provide proof for any of your claims ?

Ok, I made it all up. Are you happy now? These are things even the Oba of Benin will not argue with.

prolog31:
All I say relies on eyewitness accounts and logics. That is being objective. It is not my fault that Benin Kingdom was great. Deal with it and stop being jealous.

I haven't met any Yoruba who said Benin was not great. But history is history, there's no point trying to twist it to fit any narrative.

prolog31:
So you are changing your story again ? You said the practice was done in the 1940's and now you are saying it stopped in 1935 � still no proof ! Just a change of story !!! Wow, dumbness defined.

You have comprehension issues. The practice of speaking Yoruba in the royal court was stopped in 1935, the practice of burying oba of Benin in ife was stopped in 1914 not in the 40s as I said earlier, that was a mistake.

prolog31:
They have mental problems

You have self esteem problems. It also a type of mental disorder.

prolog31:
You so easily assume that Oyo was ever an empire. There is no eye witness account of that. The only eyewitness accounts of oyo describe a small and failing kingdom being invaded by fula. The eye witnessed at the people who visited the region and had the fact of reading and writing and wrote down what they saw. The fact that I need to explain this to you shows how dumb you are. It is like talking to a 5 year old kid.

The people of dahomey in the present Benin Republic are also lying about the wars between them and the old Oyo Empire abi? You have your job cut out for you.

prolog31:
I am tired of having the same stupid conversation with Yoruba supremacists for several years now. You guys don't use your brains when you talk. It is as if you disconnect your brains before talking about history. I'm done talking to adults who reason like little children.

You cannot re write history. You cannot turn back the hands of the clock. Well, it seems like what you are trying to do here.

prolog31:
I can't stop laughing as you Yoruba guys just keep unloading your Yoruba tales about Benin Kingdom, it amazes me that you aren't smart enough to question why your entire so called history revolves around claiming things which belong to Benin empire without you ever producing any proof. The art which the British took away from Oba palace, you have gone to claim that. The Oba himself, you have gone to claim him, the language of the court, you have gone to claim that, the entire subgroup of Edos who live in the capital of Benin empire, you have gone to claim them. Actually, any Edo achievement you jump and claim it as Yoruba. All this because you have no history � you guys descend from freed slaves returned but the brothers, Portuguese and spanish. You want to create your fake history by claiming the history of the Edo, but unfortunately for you, there are too much eyewitness written documents about precolonial Benin. So just keep spitting against the wind....

This practice was stopped as recently as 1935. Yoruba in Benin royal court, why? Because the king was Yoruba.

prolog31:
Hopefully, you do realise that you arrange being logical in any manner and the proof you boast of at yet to be shown, rather you are asking me to go and dig up in your backyard. That is your proof ? � funny Yoruba logics !

We are talking history not logics. If we were to follow logic s then dead Obas of Benin shouldn't have been buried in Ife but they were.

prolog31:
You needs a crashcourse in logics. I don't need to discuss any influence at all because the fact that what you refer to as yorubaland today being part of precolonial Benin empire was recorded by eye witnesses ! How dumb are you to not understand this very simple English !

Everyone is dumd except you and you still cant tell us why all those dead Obas were buried in Ife.