The bible wasn’t written originally in English. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and no Jew believe this to mean God is speaking to anything or anyone. The word “us” is a plural of respect. It is common in seminitic languages. Just like the Yoruba used to say “ Eh” for plural and “Eh” sometimes is used when talking to elderly person. The English language doesn’t have the exact translation for such Plural of respect hence the English bible translate it to “us”. God is one and he created everything all by himself. The Christians scholar deliberately interpret it to explain thier doctrine of trinity. No Jew understood that verse to mean plurality because the original is in Hebrew and they understand thier language. Jesus said “ Hear O Israel the lord our God is one” and same is the first commandment given by Moses. Trinity is a church teaching and not biblical.

Documents submitted are,
1) Evidence of employment which include all my different offer letters, promotion letters, scanned copy of ID card, 6moonths payslips, personal bank statements, income tax certificates
2)Proof of educational qualifications
3)Birth certificates, passport data page, yellow card
4)These r all I can remember for now. quote author=chuksdewigs post=735758]


Hi guru1234, congrats on your grant. I pray all of us awaiting our grant gets it.
I applied to the same university. Also awaiting my grant. Can you please give us your timeline and tell us documents you submitted just to guide us properly. Thanks in advance. I sent you a mail tho. [/quote]

OK bros

chuksdewigs:



Hi guru1234, congrats on your grant. I pray all of us awaiting our grant gets it.
I applied to the same university. Also awaiting my grant. Can you please give us your timeline and tell us documents you submitted just to guide us properly. Thanks in advance. I sent you a mail tho.

I am a silent follower and Allihamdulilah my grant just dropped this morning 9:40am, minutes after I checked my immi account my agents call to inform of the grant and I rechecked Lo and behold status has changed to finalised.
Timeline;
Biometric and submission May 2
First contact from CO June 14, asked for a clearer and coloured copy of my passport data page, it was submitted same day
Second contact from CO June 19, asked for explanation of previous visa refusal to Canada and that was submitted on June 21st.
Grant landed today 9:45am

School : University of Adelaide, no SOA and English test submitted

This is to boost the morale those still awaiting their grants, Godwilling it will all end in praise

@bliqs, how is the job opportunities at Adelaide considering students hustling to pay fees.

Narrated Awra that he was informed by `Aisha, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went out in the middle of the night and prayed in the mosque and some men prayed behind him. In the morning, the people spoke about it and then a large number of them gathered and prayed behind him (on the second night). In the next morning the people again talked about it and on the third night the mosque was full with a large number of people. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came out and the people prayed behind him.On the fourth night the Mosque was overwhelmed with people and could not accommodate them, but the Prophet (ﷺ) came out (only) for the morning prayer. When the morning prayer was finished he recited Tashah-hud and (addressing the people) said, "Amma ba'du, your presence was not hidden from me but I was afraid lest the night prayer (Qiyam) should be enjoined on you and you might not be able to carry it on." So, Allah's Apostle died and the situation remained like that (i.e. people prayed individually). "




The misquoted and purposely twisted hadith
Abdur Rahman bin Abdul Qari said "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night."
We can establish from the above hadiths that;

*First of all did the prophet observe it and did sahabahs join in congregation? Yes, 2-3 nights
*Why did the prophet stopped it in congregation? fear of it being made compulsory on the Ummah
*When Umar entered the mosque, the hadith stated he saw some praying it individually and some in "group", meaning small congregation. If the people have been praying in small congregation, Umar only unite the Ummah under one Imam. Since the practice of praying tarawih in group has been a practice before so the Ummah did not argue or move against it.

As for those that are saying praying tarawih is unislamic, give us one instance in the time of the four caliphs that it was discouraged or are u saying all of the sahabah are misguided to have accepted this bidah of Umar.
Give us an authentic narrations where Imam Ali condemned this act or are you saying he never prayed tarawih. Please give us your proof

AlBaqir:
TRUTH ABOUT TARAWIH


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WCCilcJxvU

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drakeli:
Its you that need to be enlightened. Nothing look like the lie you quoted up their in the whole chapter of Psalm 24. No where to be found liar. You can continue to lie in the way of your Allah . Muslims and lie are like Siamese twins.

Sorry psalm 84 verse 6

drakeli:
You are not quoting bible. You are quoting yourself. Or show where in the Bible.

Mr man read from Psalm 24 verse 1and enlighten yourself of what u don't know

Chosen59:
We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do (Quran 2:144)

It looks as if Allah was rebuking the Jews and the Christians for not facing Kaaba, despite the fact that they knew about it.

Where did Yahweh reveal to the Jews and the Christians to face Kaaba when praying?

Where did Yahweh tell the Israelites about Kaaba and Abraham building it?

If he (Yahweh) didn't tell the Israelites about Kaaba and its builders, how did Allah expect them to know and face it when praying?

Kaaba is also called Baka in the Quran and it was mentioned in the Bible Old Testament as a place of pilgrimage for the believers and I quote;
"Blessed are those whose strength is in you, whose hearts are set on pilgrimage. As they pass through the valley of BAKA, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools" Psalm 84 u can read from verse 1

Chosen59:
We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do (Quran 2:144)

It looks as if Allah was rebuking the Jews and the Christians for not facing Kaaba, despite the fact that they knew about it.

Where did Yahweh reveal to the Jews and the Christians to face Kaaba when praying?

Where did Yahweh tell the Israelites about Kaaba and Abraham building it?

If he (Yahweh) didn't tell the Israelites about Kaaba and its builders, how did Allah expect them to know and face it when praying?

Kaaba is also called Baka in the Quran and it was mentioned in the Bible Old Testament as a place of pilgrimage for the believers and I quote;
"Blessed are those whose strength is in you, whose hearts are set on pilgrimage. As they pass through the valley of BAKA, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools"

send quotation to sodiqksa@gmail.com

AlBaqir:


# As in? That seems not specific to me. On this thread, its about Tawassul, Shafa'a and Istighatha. So, is it on that?

Yes sticking to the topic, what is your believe on the above

AlBaqir:


# You only like watering your mouth and be a nuisance in every thread albaqir is. I have told you already to come out of your hidden cocoon and challenge me of my beliefs. Stop being a jerk.


# You better go and check the meaning of "sentiment" in your dico. I have nothing to be sentimental about. Its a 5 hours + debate between SUNNI and SALAFI on ISTIGHATHA. I do not belong to any of their madhhab.

Al-baqir please let us know what u believe

Please add me up to the whatsapp group...07062972569

AlBaqir:
guru1234

# Obviously, you are just copy-pasting without even understand what you are copying.

# About the people of the book, Allah used:

= Generic term in many ayah referring to them all.

= Specific term referring to "some from amongst them".

This is Surah Al-Bayyina, Verse 6:

Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.

# Allah never condemned ALL of them.

# Now take a look at all the verses you posted trying to prove ALL of them will perish in hell. The last verse you quoted which I have already quoted nullify your fanatic interpretation.






Then Allah sealed everything with this ayah:

Surah An-Nahl, Verse 125:

...surely your Lord best knows those who go astray from His path, and He knows best those who follow the right way

The real followers of jesus are surely among the muslims and are free from the distortion and shirk of the present day Christians which have same aqeeda with you.

And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

AlBaqir:
guru1234

# Obviously, you are just copy-pasting without even understand what you are copying.

# About the people of the book, Allah used:

= Generic term in many ayah referring to them all.

= Specific term referring to "some from amongst them".

This is Surah Al-Bayyina, Verse 6:

Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.

# Allah never condemned ALL of them.

# Now take a look at all the verses you posted trying to prove ALL of them will perish in hell. The last verse you quoted which I have already quoted nullify your fanatic interpretation.






Then Allah sealed everything with this ayah:

Surah An-Nahl, Verse 125:

...surely your Lord best knows those who go astray from His path, and He knows best those who follow the right way

I put this to you, from among the polytheist too will enter paradise? since ALLAH has equate them with the people of the book

Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.

Shall We then treat the (submitting) Muslims like the Mujrimun (criminals, polytheists and disbelievers, etc.)? (Al-Qalam 68:35)

What is the matter with you? How judge you? (Al-Qalam 68:36)

So ALLAH equate the followers of the book and the polytheist, and from your interpretation which is clear you are just defending them because their is no difference between you and them.

I have challenged you to name any christian sect that are upon guidance and have same belief that qualifies them paradise...Indeed you have no basis to stand you are only confusing yourself, keep misleading yourself proving CHRISTIAN and MUSLIM are alike with no difference.

AlBaqir:


# Kindly overrule the ayah 69 of sura al-Maidah. Overrule it please.

ALLAH says in the following verses;

The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them We have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief.

If only the people of the Book had believed and been righteous We should indeed have blotted out their iniquities and admitted them to gardens of Bliss.

If only they had stood fast by the Law the Gospel and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course; but many of them follow a course that is evil.

O Apostle! proclaim the (Message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission: and Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allah guideth not those who reject faith.

Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law the Gospel and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

Those who believe (in the Qur'an) those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures) and the Sabians and the Christians any who believe in Allah and the Last Day and work righteousness on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve. [Al-maeda 65-69]


This is enough for those who intend to be guided

AlBaqir:


# Kindly overrule the ayah 69 of sura al-Maidah. Overrule it please.

The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them We have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief.

If only the people of the Book had believed and been righteous We should indeed have blotted out their iniquities and admitted them to gardens of Bliss.

If only they had stood fast by the Law the Gospel and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course; but many of them follow a course that is evil.

O Apostle! proclaim the (Message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission: and Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allah guideth not those who reject faith.

Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law the Gospel and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

Those who believe (in the Qur'an) those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures) and the Sabians and the Christians any who believe in Allah and the Last Day and work righteousness on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve. [Al-maeda 65-69]


This is enough for those who intend to be guided

TO ALBAQIR
1. Please which christian sect or group is free from trinity and have not heard of the message of islam in this age of internet and advanced media where news about muslim and islam is everywhere? as concerning your second point "That Islam never reached them, meaning they remain Christian their entire life"

With regard to this your statements;
What of his mental, rational and philosophical challenge to the concept of trinity? Many Christian convert have had this battle within themselves, questioning the rationale of 3 in 1 God before they even come across Islamic concept.

As for those who distanced themselves from the shirk of trinity and the belief that ALLAH beget a son, of course this cannot be called 'Christians', you can say what about the Jehovah witnesses? This are people that deny the hereafter, rejecting the existence of paradise and hell

Allah says;
Say, (O Muhammad): "Shall We tell you who will be the greatest losers in respect of their works?
It will be those whose effort went astray in the life of the world and who believe nevertheless that they are doing good.
Those are the ones who refused to believe in the revelations of their Lord and that they are bound to meet Him(hereafter). Hence, all their deeds have come to naught, and We shall assign no weight to them on the Day of Resurrection.


NO CHRISTIAN ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH NOW IS UPON GUIDANCE, THIER LEVEL OF KUFR MIGHT DEFER.
WE SHALL NEVER BE ONE WITH THE GRAVE WORSHIPERS WHO CLAIM TO BE MUSLIM

AlBaqir:
# First, about extremists/extremism, terrorists/terrorism, the truth is there are some books, documents and fatwas that majority of the Muslims still hold sacred which preached extremism and terrorism. Some of these books are been teach/taught in Islamic schools. Every single Muslim terrorist is only acting in accordance with the dictate of those preserved books. If we do not burn and destroy those texts, or review them, extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam will never stop.


# Second, Buhari omo Musa is capable of anything. He has proven himself severally to be a "taut and thug sheik". Its very unfortunate that Muslim community in the southwest or Nigeria cannot call him (and many other crazy heads like him) to order. However, Nigerian constitution allow whatever you preach. Jabata is preaching terrorism, saying, " if Allah gave him power of authority, he will not hesitate to behead all the 'Ahlu BID'AH (Sunni that did not practice his manhaj, Sufi, shia, Christian etc)", yet nobody put him to order.

# All in all, I think its left for the Muslim community to do what is necessary. This, according to history, was what the congregation of Ulama did for Sheik Ibn Taymiyyah when he was misleading the Muslim community. He was imprisoned severally. His books were confiscated. He was not allowed to preach publicly and was made to repent. This generation would never have known anything about Ibn Taymiyyah had it not been Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahab and the Saudi that revived his teachings when they hijacked the whole of Hijaz in 1854 (?) with the help of the British.

Can you share some of the deviations preached by ibn taymiyyah? All i know about him and his book is nothing but good knowledge with sound evidence from the quran and sunni hadith

AlBaqir:


# Quran has condemned the trinity and trinitarians. There are some Christians that are not trinitarians. And there are some:

* That had never heard the message of Islam.

The scholars of tauheed said ALLAH did not give excuse of ignorance to the trinitarians and they use this ayah as hujjah

And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring) and made them testify as to themselves (saying): "Am I not your Lord?" They said: "Yes! We testify," lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: "Verily, we have been unaware of this." (Al-A'raf 7:172)

AlBaqir:


# Quran has condemned the trinity and trinitarians. There are some Christians that are not trinitarians. And there are some:

* That had never heard the message of Islam

* That had heard about Islam but in a very bad manners especially with fake representatives of Islam like Boko haram, Isis etc.

# In general, Allah says:

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 69:

Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

* This verse is repeated in other suras in the Quran but suffice is the one in surah Maidah because it was the last surah, and none the verses inside it are not abrogated.

Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. (Al-Ma'idah 5:73)

(O Muhammad SAW): "I am only a man like you. It has been inspired to me that your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (God i.e. Allah). So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord." (Al-Kahf 18:110)

You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything). (Al-Fatihah 1:5)

Aminu212:
Tariqa, shia, ahlusunna etc can goto Paradise if and only if they perform god deeds.

My aim of creating this thread is to bring all the Muslims together as one nation.

So lets talk about things that can bring about unity among us.

#My first contribution:

Surah An-Nahl, Verse 97:
مَنْ عَمِلَ صَالِحًا مِّن ذَكَرٍ أَوْ أُنثَىٰ وَهُوَ مُؤْمِنٌ فَلَنُحْيِيَنَّهُ حَيَاةً طَيِّبَةً وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْرَهُم بِأَحْسَنِ مَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ

Whoever does good whether male or female and he is a believer, We will most certainly make him live a happy life, and We will most certainly give them their reward for the best of what they did.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran pro.

If you believe in this ayat then why the seperation.

In the same light does good deeds qualify a trinitarian christian paradise?

AhluSunnah:
WORSHIP according to kitab wa sunnah..and its muamalat is to follow ALLAH ..to follow RASUL

I think i will love to listen more to this JABATA and see things for myself, maybe he is misunderstood

AlBaqir:
From Sunni Narration

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The angel of death was sent to Moses and when he went to him, Moses slapped him severely, spoiling one of his eyes.

The angel went back to his Lord, and said, “You sent me to a slave who does not want to die.” Allah restored his eye and said, “Go back and tell him (i.e. Moses) to place his hand over the back of an ox, for he will be allowed to live for a number of years equal to the number of hairs coming
under his hand.” (So the angel came to him and told him the same). Then Moses asked, “O my Lord! What will be then?” He said, “Death will be then.” He said, “(Let it be) now.” He asked Allah that He bring him near the Sacred Land at a distance of a stone’s throw. Allah’s Messenger
( s ) said, “Were I there I would show you the grave of Moses by the way near the red sand hill.”


Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 1339
In-book reference: Book 23, Hadith 95
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 2, Book
23, Hadith 423
(deprecated numbering scheme)
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/60/80

1.Prophet musa didnt know it was an angel and the angel appeared in human form...Considering is temperament and it is only in human nature to defend yourself.
e.g -Musa throwing the tablet in which is thier is guidance and light, i think you should ponder about this also
- Musa dragging the beard of his brother (prophet)
- Musa punching and killing an Israelite who was arguing with an Egyptian, punching someone without hearing both side of the story and
later finding out that the egyptian is an argumentative person do prophet punch people?

Look closely, and you will find that every time Musa’s “anger subsided” he brings forth the most beautiful of prayers. After killing them Egyptian: “’My Lord, indeed I’ve wronged myself, so forgive me,’ and He forgave him. Indeed, He is the Forgiving, the Merciful. ‘My Lord, for the favor You bestowed upon me, I will never be an assistant to wrong doers’” (28:15-16 al-Qasas). After throwing the tablets and scolding his brother the Prophet Harun 'alayhi'l-salām (peace be upon him): “My Lord, forgive me and my brother and admit us into Your mercy, for You are the most merciful of the merciful.” (7:151 al-Araf).

Even before receiving their revelation, prophets are exemplars of upright character. So the doubter who wishes to shed doubt on Sahih al-Bukhari should actually be questioning the Quran first.

2. Prophet Musa (‘alayhi as-salaam) wasn't initially given the choice between life and death as reported by aisha radiallahu anna
Hence Given that the angel of death initially approached Musa (‘alayhi as-salaam) and didn't offer him this choice, it becomes clear to us that Musa (‘alayhi as-salaam) wasn't fighting the Qadr of Allah here. As a matter of fact, when the angel of death later came back to Musa (‘alayhi as-salaam) with the alternative, Musa (‘alayhi as-salaam) cooperated.

AhluSunnah:
TASBIH IS NOT HARAM. . ITS KUFRU. . IF YOU BELIEVE THAT INNOVATION,BIDA,TASHREY is a sin, then tasbih is a sin abi? ..be careful with your fatwa o.

Those saying it is not haram back thier claim with the following hadith,

1. Sa'd said that he with the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him), visited a woman in front of whom were some date-stones or pebbles which she was using as a beads to glorify Allah. He (the Prophet) said: "I tell you something which would be easier (or more excellent) for you than that. He said (it consisted of saying): "Glory be to Allah" as many times as the number of that which He has created in Heaven; "Glory be to Allah" as many times as the number of that which He has created on Earth; "Glory be to Allah" as many times as the number of that which He has created between them; "Glory be to Allah" as many times as the number of that which He is creating; "Allah is most great" a similar number of times; "Praise (be to Allah)" a similar number of times; and "There is no god but Allah" a similar number of times; "There is no might and no power except in Allah" a similar number of times" .[Reported by al-Tirmizi ].

2. Safiyyah said: "The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) visited me while four thousand seeds were before me, I was using them for Tasbeeh. He asked, 'Did you make Tasbeeh by these'? 'Do you like to know more excellent words than what you had glorified?' She said: 'Please teach me', then He said: 'Say "سبحان الله عدد خلقه" (Glorify be to Allah as many times as the number of that which he has created)" . [Imam Tirmizi ].

AlBaqir:



# What do you mean "any form of WORSHIP"?

# Please I need to know you in other to know exactly how to respond. Are you of Jabata or other than him in thought? This is because when it comes to the definition of "Bid'ah", Sunni/Salafi other than Jabata have different opinion. That's why they are always at loggerheads.


# If that is your definition of Bid'ah, why did Jabata go against using of rosary for Tasbih, and labeled it Bid'ah (a form of worship, according to your definition)? Is using rosary a form of worship? If it is considered a form of worship, then adhan is also a form of worship, why do you allow the use of microphone/loudspeaker but condemned rosary? Both, are meant to aid? More to come. Let's know you first.


# As per Saudi Arabia, I do not say and I never ever believed Saudi is a criteria. Never! We have validly submitted this Saudi issue because Jabata and his followers claimed the Saudis (government) to be epitome of Kitab wa Sunnah, and labeled the country itself as Land of Kitab wa Sunnah.

I know you are a shia and your aim of attacking the issue of "Bidah" is to promote your shia ideology... Please tell us what you believe as a shia or go straight to telling us where u r heading to, I know shia don't like exposing or saying what they believe.

AlBaqir:



# What do you mean "any form of WORSHIP"?

# Please I need to know you in other to know exactly how to respond. Are you of Jabata or other than him in thought? This is because when it comes to the definition of "Bid'ah", Sunni/Salafi other than Jabata have different opinion. That's why they are always at loggerheads.


# If that is your definition of Bid'ah, why did Jabata go against using of rosary for Tasbih, and labeled it Bid'ah (a form of worship, according to your definition)? Is using rosary a form of worship? If it is considered a form of worship, then adhan is also a form of worship, why do you allow the use of microphone/loudspeaker but condemned rosary? Both, are meant to aid? More to come. Let's know you first.


# As per Saudi Arabia, I do not say and I never ever believed Saudi is a criteria. Never! We have validly submitted this Saudi issue because Jabata and his followers claimed the Saudis (government) to be epitome of Kitab wa Sunnah, and labeled the country itself as Land of Kitab wa Sunnah.

I dont know who jabata is but concerning the use of tasbih some school of taught consider it BIDAH and that stems from the fitnah the ummah has put itself into where some ascribe divinity or special power to a particular tasbih...My opinion is that using of finger as means of counting is better but tasbih is not haram.

AlBaqir:


# So, let's start from where you ran away on your other miserable thread.

1. Nabi, salallahu alayhi wa ahli, propagate Islam by the command of his Lord. These are the methods our Nabi used:

1. He gathered people in the mosque, house, hall, open places and preached Islam

2. He wrote letters to people invited them to Islam

3. He sent emissaries and representatives to far and wide where they teach Islam according to the dictates of Quran and how and what Nabi taught them.

If according to your definition of Bid'ah, that is right, how do you come about using Internet in propagating Islam? Show us a single verse in the holy Qur'an or hadith where Nabi used internet or foretold that something called internet will come and you can use it?

2. Bilal through the dictate and command of Nabi used to go up the minaret and call adhan with a strong voice.

How do you come about using microphone and loudspeaker when there is no dalil for it in the Quran and hadith, and Nabi never foretold it?


3. It has been proven via several sahih ahadith that Nabi never placed his forehead upon rug, tiles, carpet in Sujood during his Salat. He only put his forehead on the natural ground/floor even on a muddy soil (e.g due to rain). He also has a small piece of palm fibre material (natural) to the size of his head where he formed sajdah on. Interestingly, Nabi had praying mat.

Today mosque of your terrorist master Jabata (along hajj camp in Ilorin), and other mosques are either carpeted, rugged or tiled where people placed their forehead on those synthetic materials.

Where's your dalil from the Quran and hadith? Did Nabi foretold that we can place our forehead on those synthetic materials if eventually come?


4. Today, your country of Kitab wa Sunnah, Saudi America have incorporated the use of Telescope instead of the conventional eyesight in sighting the moon for Islamic rites and festivities.

Where's the dalil in Kitab wa Sunnah?

More are still coming In sha Allah.



# You can add that to the list of your regrets or achievement. Do not stylishly derail the topic

As he rightfully said , Bid’ah is any form of WORSHIP that did not exist (at the
time of the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam)...So put your 'test' in context as everything you listed above is not an act of worship and mind you saudi arabia is not the criteria