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sonofluc1fer:
Which do you think is more likely?

1. this story is a lie.

2. God spawned lions from thin air to eat Arabs.


Let me know your choice so I can decide if this thread is a waste of time.

u made two seem like magic well my answer to you is it isn't impossible--luke 1:37

hopefulLandlord:
only a foolish Nigerian would believe the son of a Jewish carpenter killed in a small Israeli village aeons ago died for his misdemeanors

all sources both Jewish and Christian state clearly the reason Jesus died. John 15:13: Greater love hath no man than this that a man lay down his life for his friends. If U sat we are foolish what of the martyrs who died not long after him for the sole purpose of the propagation of the gospel of peace

sonofluc1fer:
If you've never seen God, and no one has ever seen God, why do you believe in the version you believe in?

Your first point is wrong; I am a christian and I might have not have seen him but I know I have had an encounter with him, simply because u can't see him doesn't mean he doesn't exist its just like saying because u can't see ur liver it isn't there and by so doing u r calling those who have (encounter) liars of some sort.

Do you 'believe' or 'know' the universe was created? Is God just an assumption? If the world was created by God, who took notes? GOD or the one who claimed to have heard from God?

If it wasn't created how did it come to being.


Is God an idea sustained by our collective consciousness? An idea born of our ignorance, shaped by our fear of the unknown?

Now this actually makes a little sense. okay If God is An Idea how Do u explain the signs in His name. I was in a Christian website one day when u saw d testimony of some missionaries who were on a mission and they were attacked by the natives ( arabs ) then suddenly three lions came out of nowhere and either pursued or devoured their attackers ( I can't remember which) how do u explain this and many other signs. can an idea bring forth such

hopefulLandlord:
you mean for us to guide them aright?

whatever rocks ur boat.
can the questions/opinions start now from either side

I would like to think nairaland atheists aren't given a chance to air their views on why theism is crap so I would like to call on hopefullandlord johnnydon22 and Christians such as analize102 and oladeegbu to come and guide them aright

It is doctrines like this that take people to hell.

let me set things straight for you after Armageddon comes judgement (The great white Throne judgement). where saints and sinners will be judged The bible says death and hell will give up their dead
and will all assemble before the great white throne and he whose name isn't found in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire-+- Revelation 20:11-15. The point of this is hell isn't eternal.

and ur second argument states that God can't leave people for long in hell. Fine God is merciful but he shouldn't be taken for granted. do u remember the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and how it was utterly destroyed, what if Jericho and what of the most common the world during Noah's time Genesis 6:5 described what God felt about the world during Noah's time, and they were sent an helper with a warning; to join in the ark else they would die with the flood, didn't the flood happen it did. Generally ur argument is flawed

Bester44:
I grew up as a very strong Christian until the problems of life started hitting me from different directions. When I was at the brink of suicide, I stopped going to church. My people in the village did spiritual fortifications for me which include seeing mysteries. Throughout the period I stopped going to church, God intensified effort to bring me back (grace, if you ask me. Now I'm back into the fold.

When I say the spirit of divination, I mean I would see anything that will affect me in the future before they happen so that I can know the step to take. Assuming someone will come to my house tomorrow about a matter, I would see the person in vision today and be told why he is coming and what to tell him. Another example: someone I didn't know anywhere contacted me from nairaland to handle a job for her. A day to the day she contacted me, where she is, the job description, and others were revealed to me.

Now God has been using other means to tell me that I should go and confess to other man of God about what I did that placed me in a position to foresee. The problem is that no one in my church is strong enough to advise about divination or whatever. Or, is God saying I need deliverance? Having reestablished my allegiance to God, does that mean I'm not yet free from demons? Why should I think demons are the ones at work since that Holy Spirit can do better?

Lalasticlala

have u been baptised by the holy ghost if not then it isn't him at work.


if there is no one in your church to go to for advice I would commend that u intensify in prayers and u attend a true church or if u want I can introduce u to some student fellowship leaders who are spiritually vibrant

its funny how people are no longer talking about being Christians they are all either redeemers, catholics, Anglicans, e.t.c. The church if today has needs for a revival and we need that old time religion

hatchy:
I strongly believe now that something is absolutely wrong with this man.

Why the attack on Christianity always?

You have constituted so much nuisance to everyone such that you no longer make any sense whenever you talk.

Keep quiet if you have nothing to say and stop using Christians and the faith for cheap popularity.

where there is no knowledge the people perish

tayooluwole:
I don't know if any body here is in my shoe... Since I was born I have attended many crusade and church services. During any of the services, any time the instruction is prescribed that all who wish to denounce sin and become born again should come out to receive prayers, me no they carry last to follow go out to be born again at that moment. The issue is, my being born again at any point in time doesn't take much time before it expires. Just at the moment I decide to be born again the holyholy will be there but by the time the holyholy run into 2 to 3 days it begins to desolve till I go back to the status quo. The logic behind this is that, if Jesus is to come withing the shortest time that follows the moment of my being born again that means heaven sure me die but if na after it has expired OYO is my case but Jesus will surely consider my seriousness by looking at the number of times I have come to him...

Pls how can someone be permanently born again without much sin ?

Note: he get some things wey Christians go count as sin and wey if ah no do na hunger go kill me...

Christian brothers over to you...

acts 3:19A: repent ye therefore and be converted .
1. You have to recognise that it isn't just by saying you are sorry you have to act on it for faith without works is DEAD.

2. You have to reconsider your ways with God if the only way you know you have sinned is when a preacher calls an altar call then you have missed it.


3. You have to repent and forsake those sins and flee from all triggers of sin.


4. You have to recognise the divinity and saving power of Christ. I.e he only can save your soul. Romans 10:13: whosoever shall call upon the name of the lord shall be saved.


5. You have to have a spiritual stronghold I.e an active prayer life 1 Thessalonians 5:17, You have to have a quiet time where you create time to read your bible and meditate on the word of God Joshua 1:8 most preferably before dawn. and also fast regularly.

You must recognise that you have been bought with a price and that is the blood of Jesus that was shed for the remission of sins but it shouldn't be taken for granted

saintmark88:
The Father is diff from the Son and the Holy spirut, but the three are one God.

u have a funny way of disagreeing whilst agreeing, well I concur to your point

saintmark88:
Is there another God u know??

explain fully I thought God was the father

saintmark88:
So do u now agree that Jesus is God

what do you mean by God

saintmark88:
Okay now we get to agree on that.....I didn't say Christ is the Father.....but he is God

exactly

saintmark88:
This proves the divinity of Christ now....what are u saying. Allow the spirit illuminate ur mind and teach u the time which u don't understand

I didn't say Christ isn't divine I said he is not the same as the father

saintmark88:
Hahahaha....n u claim to be a christian.....u r not different from the Jews who do not believe n d divinity of Jesus

read 1 john 5:7 and the trinity are distinct personalities that co-exist

easymancfc:
We have "shrines" to her because we honor her, as well as every other person who is above us in the faith.. We specially recognize her because of what God did through her and for her and we honor her for it afterall the bible says to give honour to whom it is due..
(Cf romans 13:7)


We don't ask her to forgive our sins, we ask God to forgive our sins.. IF YOU SAY WE DO, THEN PROVIDE A PRAYER TO MARY THAT INVOLVES HER FORGIVING SIN

Yes.. We ask for her intercession, if that's what you mean, The Bible asks us to pray for one another, And James 5:16 says the prayer of a righteous man is powerful.. And Mary is in heaven and anyone in heaven is definitely righteous..
The difference between us is that you think death separates the body of Christ, but Christ has conquered death (cf 1 cor 15) death doesn't separate us from the love of God in Christ, (cf romans 8:36) and all of us are members of the body of Christ (cf romans 12, 1 cor 12)...

My dear, you are quoting the Bible out of context here.. 1 john 5 talks about the testimony of Jesus as the Son of God, (see verse 5 and 9) it has nothing to do with intercession..
According to the bible Angels and Saints make intercession for us in heaven (cf Rev 5:8, 8:3, Mathew 18:10)
AND P.S. THAT REFERENCE YOU MADE IS CALLED THE JOHANINE COMMA, SOME ARGUE IT'S NOT IN THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS.. look it up..

You're right Mary is not the Lord, Mary doesn't save, Catholics are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as Jesus directed in Mathew 28:19- end not in the Name of Mary, we end our prayers with "in Jesus name" or " through Christ our Lord" not in Mary's name...
In our Creed we say Jesus died to save us..
So na only you know wet in you dey talk.. WE ARE SAVED BY CHRIST..

and P.S. YOU ARE DERAILING THE THREAD

what u just said now portrays that you think saints are only those who are dead. Romans 8:27, 1 Corinthians 6:1

saintmark88:
So God was sinful at some point, wen u try to defend ur useless theology, u pple make lots of blunder

Jesus isn't God

easymancfc:
My dear.. I don't worship Mary, I worship the One true God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit alone..
When life ends everyone will go to his or her own judgement..
Mary counts because God gave her a special role, that is to bring Jesus to the world.. She herself said it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit...
Luke 1:48b For, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49For he that is mighty hath done to me great things;

God is glorified in his creation.. So Mary counts because of what God used her for and the more you appreciate what God did for her the more you appreciate God...

Jesus left Mary to John and to the apostles.. For her to be their Mother. (cf john 19:27, acts 1:14, Rev 12:1, 17)...
We are all members of the Body of Christ and we glory and suffer together...

IF PAUL, PETER, JOHN ETC MATTERED FOR PREACHING CHRIST TO THE NATIONS, THEN MARY MATTERED FOR BRINGING CHRIST INTO THE WORLD ACCORDING TO GOD' S DIVINE PLAN...

Is this why most catholic churches have her shrine, is this why you pray to her to forgive your sins and pray for you even after the Bible says there are 3 that bear witness in heaven and we both know Mary isn't one of them and even after the Bible says that whosoever shall call upon the name of the lord shall be saved--unless Mary is the Lord

Ochoiho:
I dont have the time for this argument, Pls stick with your Mary-worship, we'll know how wise you have been when this life ends. For me, Mary dont count and have no reason to count, Jesus never directed my attention to Mary when he was about leaving the earth but to the Holy Spirit. Shalom

This is wrong what use are u to the body of Christ if u can't reconcile people to him and show fellow brethren the truth.

[color=#990000][/color][b][/b] ilI like freeze for one thing : He reads the bible or he has someone who reads the bible and interprets to him but either way he should be appreciated for pointing out the thorns in the body of Christ(the church), but he is what I will like to call a sophist, if u read the open heavens of December 3 pastor adeboye never said tithing was compulsory and the fact that he said God told him tithing was right doesn't call for alarm because I wonder if God can't speak to his people again . Dr dk olukoya said the same thing and so did bishop David oyedepo. and yes Christians need to start reading their Bibles.

easymancfc:
Are you saying Jesus was stained all from his birth till he was baptized?? where does the Bible say that??

dd u read what I wrote I never said it was written it is derivative

Dnaz:
Yes Mary was without sin. She was a master piece of God, prepared specially to conceive her son. If Mary was stained with original sin, then Jesus who is God himself will dwell in a sinful body . if she wasn't saved beforehand by God from sin then Jesus will be conceived in sin. Jesus got all his Human DNA from Mary. She was saved by the merits of her son Because she is Theotokos. God bearer
Pray to the holy spirit for understanding
Chaire kecharitomene

why do u think Jesus chose to be baptised he was born of a woman and that alone has tainted him.

faorex:
I thought the Bible taught us to pray for our enemies and forgive them ..

Why is pastor saying otherwise?

do u remember d story of Ananias and saphira, what if the story of elymas I hope this answers your questions

Alao046:
I read a post on this forum this morning about Donald triumph declaring Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. It was stated that the population of Jerusalem is about 850000 people, with 61% jews and 37% Muslims, meaning that other religion such as Christianity, Hinduism and others are under the remaining 2%. I went to the wikipedia to browse about religion in Israel and i discovered that in their 2011 census, they had 71% jews, 16.9% Muslims, 2.1% christainsin and 1.7% druze.
Why is there a very poor population of Christians in Israel, i also read that the third holiest ground in Islam is in Jerusalem(al-aqsa mosque), behind the mosque s in mecca and medinna. I want to know why all these, there ought to be a very little number of Muslims in the state, and vice-versal for the xtains, but instead their population is increasing, from 16.9% in 2011 to 37% in 2017. ~Jesus Christ was a christain~ and came from Israel, how come there are no xtains in Israel today, why are they jews and Muslims mostly. Where does Christianity hails from, if not Israel . Why do Muslims have their third holiest land in where ought to be a christain land. All these question are going through my mind now, please who are these Jews and who are these Muslims. I need answers please.

Jesus was not a christian, Christian means christ-like

nicemuyoo:
Money has been in use before the time if Abraham my dear .

give me a scriptural reference

nicemuyoo:
Tithe consist of agricultural produce that MUST come only from the boundaries of the land of Isreal. Tithe is not money!!! Tithe is ONLY used to cater for the levies, widows, orphans, stranger and the tither never for church buildings. That was in the old covenant law.
Tithe is not applicable today but the spirit of free will offerings applies done with right motivation and in secret not for public knowledge as clearly instructed by the messiah himself or else you don't get any blessing for it from God only mens approva and praise

are u forgetting that their income was of land and cattle and it was with the roman influence that money came to be used

nicemuyoo:
The bible verse you just quote I would give you the true scriptural interpretation of it. You have twisted scriptures to sooth your point. Jesus asked to see the coin they used for payment. He said whose property his this? Caesars. Who's inscription is on it? Caesars . who has authority over this coin / who created this coin? Caesars. So this monetary note has nothing to do with God , God does not want it, it is a creation of man for mankind.so give it to Caesar if he demands It! But give unto God was he demands your soul, heart, love, obedience, worship, your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable which is truth worship. GOD a spiritual external being demands all this things. David said silver and Gold , riches he does not want.
There is a difference between theological teachings and truth scriptures; that you have to understand if you want to know the truth and accept it.

4They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.
[qu2ote author=hadow post=62938917]I just read Freeze's opinion on tithe and I feel it is poppycock. didn't Abraham pay tithe to Melchizedek, was he a levite. pls endeavour to read Hebrews 7:5-10 the verse talks about Levi paying tithe to Melchizedek through the loins of Abraham.
lest we forget when the Pharisees came to ask Jesus about tax he said give into Cesar what belongs to Cesar and give unto God what belongs to God and tithing is of God malachai 3.
NB: this is nothing but my honest opinion.

I don't get your point is your point that we should not pay tithe or it is not compulsory

nicemuyoo:
The bible verse you just quote I would give you the true scriptural interpretation of it. You have twisted scriptures to sooth your point. Jesus asked to see the coin they used for payment. He said whose property his this? Caesars. Who's inscription is on it? Caesars . who has authority over this coin / who created this coin? Caesars. So this monetary note has nothing to do with God , God does not want it, it is a creation of man for mankind.so give it to Caesar if he demands It! But give unto God was he demands your soul, heart, love, obedience, worship, your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable which is truth worship. GOD a spiritual external being demands all this things. David said silver and Gold , riches he does not want.
There is a difference between theological teachings and truth scriptures; that you have to understand if you want to know the truth and accept it.

4They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.
[qu2ote author=hadow post=62938917]I just read Freeze's opinion on tithe and I feel it is poppycock. didn't Abraham pay tithe to Melchizedek, was he a levite. pls endeavour to read Hebrews 7:5-10 the verse talks about Levi paying tithe to Melchizedek through the loins of Abraham.
lest we forget when the Pharisees came to ask Jesus about tax he said give into Cesar what belongs to Cesar and give unto God what belongs to God and tithing is of God malachai 3.
NB: this is nothing but my honest opinion.

connect it to Malachi 3

perryy:
Don't be decieved. What Abraham gave to mechizedech was a one off thing. He never paid tithe to mechizedech, he only gave him a tenth of his loots of war. Loots of war, that is what he forcefully took from others and not from his wealth. Tithe was commanded to be paid from your increase and not loot of war. Be guided.

read Hebrews 7

casting crowns - Nathaniel bassey