Jozzy4:


If the point raised are so trivial , Do you now accept someone who accept transfusion all because the blood is not passed through the mouth is not different from a person who accepts alcohol through the vein yet claiming he didn't drink through the mouth ? Or someone who says he has abstain from fornication as the Bible said , all because he had sex from another route different from vagina , the Anus ?

Who did they give alcohol via vein to save the person's life?

ImaIma1:


Sarcasm I guess. It has to be sarcasm

Sarcasm my foot. Parents that prefer dead baby cos of religious beliefs. Their jehovah loves his followers dying for doctrines in fact it gives him orgasms.

DavidEsq:

I thought I saw u the oda day chewing fried one

This one that says his jehovah will be angry when his wife does abortion yet the same jehovah will be happy if same child when born dies because his parents refused him getting blood transfusion. Lol.

The jehovah of jws just loves killing people.

atoleybaba:
u do research on my organization in another website not partaining to my org and u expect to find the truth about my org Who does research like that? You can't just read a random article about the witnesses belief and assume you know everything about the witnesses even more than the witnesses.....some people believe witnesses don't pray and they put up articles concerning this... imagine an ignorant person like u stumbling across such article and then believing you know everything about athe witnesses? So sir whatever you av read concerning blood fraction and what witness take and what Dy don't is rubbish...if you want to know about the witnesses view about blood visit jw.org the real original website of the witnesses

After shouting bible is the only the you follow. To see your manmade view about blood and blood fractions/components you direct them to your website. Lol

To say whole blood and major fractions/components of blood is bad you quote bible even if bible didn't mention it o.

To say why you accept minor fractions/components of that same blood you quote secular sources as your divine backing.

Jw wayo religion. Lol.

You that believes only what your leaders tell you is calling someone ignorant. Lol

Have your leaders ever mentioned in their articles that people survived without having adverse effects from the blood transfusion they got? No

They only talk about people dying or having adverse effects from blood transfusion alone.

You see why your leaders are bias and ignorant?

The best people to get advice on blood, it's components/fractions and alternatives then indications for their use are healthcare professionals.

Not ignorant illiterates who fail to tell their followers that they die from refusing blood transfusion all in the name of religion.

Be saying babies are martyrs and people are martyrs when they commit suicide.

Jim Jones said his followers were martyrs they drank cyanide because he to them to drink it and also said they were dying for their beliefs.

You people will wait for armageddon and nothing will happen. You will end up dying just like your founding fathers died waiting for armageddon.

Hefy4real:


Let’s end it. I’ve found out that people become scared of what they do not understand. If you say there’s no alternative then to you there’s none. At least you are not the only doctor in Nigeria.
A sincere person pmed me and I explained our belief and the alternative for the severe jaundice with references and backing carried out here in Nigeria.
The news outlet was biased in its report. It never gave the complete story. So i can understand if many find it ridiculous that we do not accept blood. Be informed fellow. This is not the first and it won’t be the last. Your view or opinion will never stop Jws from accepting the best alternatives available

At least you cannot be greater than other medical doctors who treats even new borns with severe jaundice with alternatives.

Bottom line is be informed and never feel bloodless surgeries or alternatives can never be as effective as EBT.
You know I still laugh whenever i go through your comments when you say EBT is the last resort...
My friend go and learn and if possible ask sincere questions for things you do not understand. If you like keep ranting and if need be sue the religious community of jws

Hope you told the person that research has not been done on patients who meet absolute criteria to have EBT?
Hope you also told the person that some babies who had the bloodless medicine still had EBT
Hope you also told the person that research has not been conducted on low birth weight preterms?


Because you people are fond of lying about your bloodless medicine making it look like because it worked for healthy set of humans it work for everyone including very sick humans.

Hefy4real:


Let’s end it. I’ve found out that people become scared of what they do not understand. If you say there’s no alternative then to you there’s none. At least you are not the only doctor in Nigeria.
A sincere person pmed me and I explained our belief and the alternative for the severe jaundice with references and backing carried out here in Nigeria.
The news outlet was biased in its report. It never gave the complete story. So i can understand if many find it ridiculous that we do not accept blood. Be informed fellow. This is not the first and it won’t be the last. Your view or opinion will never stop Jws from accepting the best alternatives available

At least you cannot be greater than other medical doctors who treats even new borns with severe jaundice with alternatives.

Bottom line is be informed and never feel bloodless surgeries or alternatives can never be as effective as EBT.
You know I still laugh whenever i go through your comments when you say EBT is the last resort...
My friend go and learn and if possible ask sincere questions for things you do not understand. If you like keep ranting and if need be sue the religious community of jws

You see your lies. Jws always lying to make themselves look good.

Did I ever say alternatives can never be as effective as EBT. Na wa o

EBT is last resort when immunoglobulin and phototherapy fails.

Explain why some babies who received immunoglobulin and phototherapy still had EBT? Quack and baby killer.

EBT is the last resort deal with it. You guys will keep committing suicide and killing your babies till armageddon comes which will never come or rather when your gb decides to say you can now accept blood transfusion just the way they now allow you guys take fractions like immunoglobulins. Lol

Hefy4real:


If you are still in pain and cannot understand while others won’t think the same way you think even when medical experts support their views, you know what to do.
If I envisage this rant and hatred would be coming from you. I would have never quoted or replied you.
You know you don’t have to respond to every dog that barks...
It won’t hurt if you researched bloodless surgeries and how effective it is to EBT.
At least you might swallow your pride if you discover it yourself

Last last some babies will always need EBT whether you like it or not.

My own is last last not all babies will need only immunoglobulin and phototherapy. Some must get EBT to survive.

You guys will keep killing yourselves and your babies because of the blood transfusion ban by your leaders.

Baby killer. Lol

In your bloodless surgery when it fails last resort is to get blood transfusion. Lol

Quack and killer doctor. No wonder illiterates rule you guys

Hefy4real:


I withdraw my statement and apologize publicly for referring to you as a quack. Silly of me.
But please reason with me on this: why would there ever be a need to reduce the use of EBT?
It is just simply because of its great associated risks
Please do not vent your anger on Jws because you hate them, but rather see them as people who want the best treatment for their selves and as people who do not like to gamble with their lives. The risk is just too high even with a screened blood
Apart from seeking the best alternatives they strictly adhere to the bible injunction to abstain from blood.
I do not expect you to change your views just all of a sudden. But remember patients have the right to choose what treatments is best for them

Peace out

What risk is too high? What about people who survive it? I had EBT when I was a newborn. I survived. So many babies had EBT and Still Survived cos it was the only option available after they had tried others. Don't people die of from road traffic accidents? But we are still using cars and roads right?
Everything in this life has it's own risks.
When benefits outweigh the risks involved in a procedure doctors use it.

Use immunoglobulin and phototherapy for very sick babies with neonatal jaundice and look for outcome.
I am waiting for the study.

You know watchtower organisation loves lying to it's gullible followers right?
They never tell you about cases that have survived once they get blood transfusion only the bad ones. It's called propaganda.


We are humans when there are constant negative repetition about a particular thing we tend to believe that thing is bad and don't consider that there is also a positive side to this thing.

It's the way propaganda works.

You called me a quack when you are the real quack here. You directed me to a study which talked about only healthy babies receiving a treatment even amongst these healthy babies some had the EBT that they were even avoiding to do in the first place and when I pointed it out you quickly avoided looking at my statement and said it reduced the need for EBT.

Even when I pointed out that nothing obviates the need for EBT you kept quiet and still continued your it reduces the need for EBT.

My question is didn't some babies end up getting EBT despite the immunoglobulin and phototherapy which worked for others?

If you are a doctor you are a toxic one and a potential baby killer.



They tell you blood transfusion is bad God hates it, it's better to die than accept one, you will be a martyr if you or your child dies rejecting blood transfusion. You will see yourself in paradise earth in the imaginary real life.


Once you die you have died o.

Hefy4real:


Boy oh boy! Now let’s go real life. Well i quite agree with you that it does not obviate the need for EBT because you are in a developing country like NIgeria. Say this in other country and get yourself into trouble. I’ll give you another study-real life oo carried out here in NIgeria. Many hospitals and doctors who are now exposed in Nigeria now agree that EBT is never the last resort

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3761982/

EBT is the last resort because babies who had immunoglobulin and phototherapy had it.
Healthy term babies o. Liar still lying. Baby killer

Hefy4real:


I withdraw my statement and apologize publicly for referring to you as a quack. Silly of me.
But please reason with me on this: why would there ever be a need to reduce the use of EBT?
It is just simply because of its great associated risks
Please do not vent your anger on Jws because you hate them, but rather see them as people who want the best treatment for their selves and as people who do not like to gamble with their lives. The risk is just too high even with a screened blood
Apart from seeking the best alternatives they strictly adhere to the bible injunction to abstain from blood.
I do not expect you to change your views just all of a sudden. But remember patients have the right to choose what treatments is best for them

Peace out

Why would there ever be need to ever do EBT? So anyone who says your no blood transfusion policy is evil hates jws? Lol. It's called criticism.

You see how illiterates lie to you people. The need for EBT has reduced according to your source

But you did not say the part where your study focused on healthy newborns with no absolute indication for EBT.

Newborns were normal birth weight, term babies and healthy. So jws who have sick babies low birth weight and preterm babies should subscribe to treatment for healthy term babies?

You are an evil human being with no regard for human life. Baby killer.


You have even failed to see and acknowledge the shortfalls of your study which makes you a psychopath. Evil human being.

Hefy4real:


A quack who cannot fully comprehend a simple abstract and its conclusion spotted. Lemme alao see how you’ll explain the next one o

Intravenous immunoglobulin G (IVIG) therapy for significant hyperbilirubinemia in ABO hemolytic disease of the newborn.
Randomized controlled trial
Miqdad AM, et al. J Matern Fetal Neonatal Med. 2004.
Show full citation
Abstract
BACKGROUND: Although intravenous immunoglobulin G (IVIG) therapy has been reported in hyperbilirubinemia of Rh hemolytic disease, its use in ABO hemolytic disease has been reported in only a few studies. In our institute we have observed that almost 30% of babies with hyperbilirubinemia due to ABO hemolytic disease required exchange transfusion.

OBJECTIVE: To determine whether administration of IVIG to newborns with significant hyperbilirubinemia due to ABO hemolytic disease would reduce the need for exchange transfusion as a primary goal in these babies.

DESIGN: This was a prospective study involving all newborns with significant hyperbilirubinemia due to direct Coombs-positive ABO hemolytic disease.

METHODS: All healthy term babies with ABO hemolytic disease with positive direct Coombs test in the period between 2000 and 2002 were identified. Significant hyperbilirubinemia was defined as hyperbilirubinemia requiring phototherapy and/or rising by 8.5 micromol/l per h (0.5 mg/dl per h) or more to require exchange transfusion. Babies were randomly assigned into two groups: group 1 (study group) received phototherapy plus IVIG (500 mg/kg); and group 2 (control group) received phototherapy alone. Exchange transfusion was carried out in any group if at any time the bilirubin level reached 340 micromol/l (20 mg/dl) or more, or rose by 8.5 micromol/l per h (0.5 mg/dl per h) in group 2.

RESULTS: A total of 112 babies were enrolled over 2 years, 56 in each group. Exchange transfusion was carried out in four babies in the study group, while 16 babies in the control group required exchange. Late anemia was not of concern in either group. No adverse effects related to IVIG administration were recorded.

CONCLUSION: Administration of IVIG to newborns with significant hyperbilirubinemia due to ABO hemolytic disease with positive direct Coomb's test reduces the need for exchange transfusion without producing immediate adverse effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15590442/

You see the word reduces? It doesn't obviate the need for EBT.

I still dey wait for the sick babies own and LBW, VLBW and ELBW with neonatal jaundice.

Hefy4real:


Says who?

Says your study abstract. Dunce did not even read the part where babies had EBT. Lol
You ain’t a neonatologist. You are just another baby killer

Barristter07:


You know the funniest thing about this whole brouhaha is that 80% of those speaking against the Witnesses actually believed that when someone dies they go to heaven, Isn't it ironic that if a person dies as a baby or kid . Their heaven is automatic according to their belief , Yet they don't want to reject transfusion and allow the baby go to heaven and be saved, Rather for the baby to grow and become a Potential Hellfire Candidate ?

That’s why you believe a baby should die instead of accepting blood transfusion? Baby killer spotted

xaggar:


Who knows you with your level of literacy?

Deluded!

Baby killer

Originalsly:


The place of the doctor is to inform the parents of the options. It is for the parents to choose the options. If exchange blood transfusion is the last option and the parents opt out of that one... then they should use the others and not apply that one by force.
If a child is in an accident and is placed on life support.... is it the doctor / hospital that makes the decision to cut life support? If the parent decides to pull the plug.... should the doctors prevent them from doing so? .... prevent the parent from killing their child?

Na una sabi. What I know is a child which includes newborns have a right to life.

Hefy4real:


If only you knew what is called data privacy law for patients

Anyways, For your level that’s what you need for now. As we progress i might give you real lives scenarios. You have to proove you are worthy of it. Check my last post please, what have you deduced

All these are ways to justify your killer beliefs. Baby killer

Hefy4real:


A quack who cannot fully comprehend a simple abstract and its conclusion spotted. Lemme alao see how you’ll explain the next one o

Intravenous immunoglobulin G (IVIG) therapy for significant hyperbilirubinemia in ABO hemolytic disease of the newborn.
Randomized controlled trial
Miqdad AM, et al. J Matern Fetal Neonatal Med. 2004.
Show full citation
Abstract
BACKGROUND: Although intravenous immunoglobulin G (IVIG) therapy has been reported in hyperbilirubinemia of Rh hemolytic disease, its use in ABO hemolytic disease has been reported in only a few studies. In our institute we have observed that almost 30% of babies with hyperbilirubinemia due to ABO hemolytic disease required exchange transfusion.

OBJECTIVE: To determine whether administration of IVIG to newborns with significant hyperbilirubinemia due to ABO hemolytic disease would reduce the need for exchange transfusion as a primary goal in these babies.

DESIGN: This was a prospective study involving all newborns with significant hyperbilirubinemia due to direct Coombs-positive ABO hemolytic disease.

METHODS: All healthy term babies with ABO hemolytic disease with positive direct Coombs test in the period between 2000 and 2002 were identified. Significant hyperbilirubinemia was defined as hyperbilirubinemia requiring phototherapy and/or rising by 8.5 micromol/l per h (0.5 mg/dl per h) or more to require exchange transfusion. Babies were randomly assigned into two groups: group 1 (study group) received phototherapy plus IVIG (500 mg/kg); and group 2 (control group) received phototherapy alone. Exchange transfusion was carried out in any group if at any time the bilirubin level reached 340 micromol/l (20 mg/dl) or more, or rose by 8.5 micromol/l per h (0.5 mg/dl per h) in group 2.

RESULTS: A total of 112 babies were enrolled over 2 years, 56 in each group. Exchange transfusion was carried out in four babies in the study group, while 16 babies in the control group required exchange. Late anemia was not of concern in either group. No adverse effects related to IVIG administration were recorded.

CONCLUSION: Administration of IVIG to newborns with significant hyperbilirubinemia due to ABO hemolytic disease with positive direct Coomb's test reduces the need for exchange transfusion without producing immediate adverse effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15590442/

So last last Some babies in both groups still had Exchange blood transfusion lol


Some had EBT in the rh incompatibility group while some had EBT in the ABO incompatibility group


Somebody called me a quack cos I pointed out that some healthy babies who had hemolytic neonatal jaundice still had EBT.

Lol

Hefy4real:


A quack who cannot fully comprehend a simple abstract and its conclusion spotted. Lemme alao see how you’ll explain the next one o

Intravenous immunoglobulin G (IVIG) therapy for significant hyperbilirubinemia in ABO hemolytic disease of the newborn.
Randomized controlled trial
Miqdad AM, et al. J Matern Fetal Neonatal Med. 2004.
Show full citation
Abstract
BACKGROUND: Although intravenous immunoglobulin G (IVIG) therapy has been reported in hyperbilirubinemia of Rh hemolytic disease, its use in ABO hemolytic disease has been reported in only a few studies. In our institute we have observed that almost 30% of babies with hyperbilirubinemia due to ABO hemolytic disease required exchange transfusion.

OBJECTIVE: To determine whether administration of IVIG to newborns with significant hyperbilirubinemia due to ABO hemolytic disease would reduce the need for exchange transfusion as a primary goal in these babies.

DESIGN: This was a prospective study involving all newborns with significant hyperbilirubinemia due to direct Coombs-positive ABO hemolytic disease.

METHODS: All healthy term babies with ABO hemolytic disease with positive direct Coombs test in the period between 2000 and 2002 were identified. Significant hyperbilirubinemia was defined as hyperbilirubinemia requiring phototherapy and/or rising by 8.5 micromol/l per h (0.5 mg/dl per h) or more to require exchange transfusion. Babies were randomly assigned into two groups: group 1 (study group) received phototherapy plus IVIG (500 mg/kg); and group 2 (control group) received phototherapy alone. Exchange transfusion was carried out in any group if at any time the bilirubin level reached 340 micromol/l (20 mg/dl) or more, or rose by 8.5 micromol/l per h (0.5 mg/dl per h) in group 2.

RESULTS: A total of 112 babies were enrolled over 2 years, 56 in each group. Exchange transfusion was carried out in four babies in the study group, while 16 babies in the control group required exchange. Late anemia was not of concern in either group. No adverse effects related to IVIG administration were recorded.

CONCLUSION: Administration of IVIG to newborns with significant hyperbilirubinemia due to ABO hemolytic disease with positive direct Coomb's test reduces the need for exchange transfusion without producing immediate adverse effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15590442/

Last last they are all term babies. You are calling me quack but you failed to see that all the babies were healthy and were term.

Let me keep laughing.

Somebody say I am a quack. Study conducted on healthy babies with jaundice
2 babies amongst the babies who had immunoglobulin and phototherapy had EBT while 16 babies who had just phototherapy had EBT.

This procedure whether you like it or not is very important in the neonatal world.

I did not see the ones for preterm and low birthweight, very low birthweight, extremely low birthweight and also sick new borns

Hefy4real:


Now we getting serious. I said read all the articles in the link, then you slyly quoted what suited you. This might be my last response, fellow! Read all the article on the link. A quick one below

High-dose intravenous immunoglobulin therapy in neonatal immune haemolytic jaundice.
Randomized controlled trial
Alpay F, et al. Acta Paediatr. 1999.
Show full citation
Abstract
A controlled study was conducted to assess the role of high-dose i.v. immunoglobulin (HDIVIG) therapy in neonatal immune haemolytic jaundice. Patients with ABO and/or Rh incompatibilities proved by significant hyperbilirubinaemia (>204 mmol l(-1)), positive direct antiglobulin test and high reticulocyte count (> or =10%) were randomly assigned to receive either conventional phototherapy alone or phototherapy with high-dose i.v. immunoglobulin (1 g kg(-1), over 4 h) as soon as the diagnosis was established. Exchange transfusions were performed if serum bilirubin concentrations exceeded 290 mmol l(-1) and increased by more than 17 mmol l(-1) per h despite both treatment manoeuvres. Eight of 58 patients in the HDIVIG group required exchange transfusions, whereas it became necessary in 22 of 58 patients in the control group (p<0.001). The durations of phototherapy and hospitalization in terms of hours were significantly shorter in the HDIVIG group (p<0.05). No side effects of HDIVIG therapy were observed.
In conclusion, HDIVIG therapy in newborns with ABO or Rh haemolytic diseases reduces haemolysis, serum bilirubin levels and the need for blood exchange transfusion, a procedure which has potential complications and carries a risk of mortality.

PMID 10102158 [Indexed for MEDLINE]
Full text
Full text at journal site
Comment in
Acta Paediatr. 2000 Mar;89(3):371-2.
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High-dose intravenous immune globulin therapy for hyperbilirubinemia caused by Rh hemolytic disease.
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Rübo J, et al. J Pediatr. 1992.
[High-dose immunoglobulin therapy of hyperbilirubinemia in rhesus incompatibility].
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Rübo J, et al. Infusionsther Transfusionsmed. 1993.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10102158/

Still laughing so 8 children still needed EBT in the group that got immunoglobulin and on phototherapy while 22 babies got EBT in the group that got only phototherapy.

Last last EBT is the procedure when everything else has failed.

At the end of the day if baby meets the criteria for absolute EBT the baby has to get it.

Key word here: absolute indications for EBT

Hefy4real:

Well, you’ve won. My motive was never to win any argument.
For more information about High-intensity phototherapy for the treatment of severe nonhaemolytic neonatal hyperbilirubinemia click the secular link below
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21251060/#fft

That’s not all i got though. I’ll need somone who’s not dogmatic to pm me or request for more convincing proofs (not experiments)

I am still laughing. You showed me an abstract o. Lol

Conclusions: High‐intensity phototherapy significantly reduces TSB in nonhaemolytic severe hyperbilirubinaemia and decreases the need for exchange transfusion

At the end of the day it's non hemolytic severe hyperbilirubinemia.

Drawbacks

It didn't talk about hemolytic anemia
The children were term and very near term
They were normal birth weight babies
No kernicterus or BIND
It didn't say whether the jaundice was 1st day or not.
No rise rate
No sepsis

Straight forward neonatal jaundice that didn't need EBT.

joyandfaith:


is this watchtower link ? keep on ranting baby killer

https://familydoctor.org/advance-directives-and-do-not-resuscitate-orders/

So did the newborn tell you it doesn't want blood transfusion?

Hefy4real:


Laughing mysteriously (seriously). I specifically selected that link for you. If you could not find the answer to your question, well i’m sorry I cannot teach how to read. Again read everything on that link. Then if you are still not satisfied, se gobe

Me too laughing seriously. Let's analyse the abstract


Method: We analysed a cohort of 116 newborn infants with severe nonhaemolytic hyperbilirubinaemia (TSB ≥ 20 mg/dL/342 μmol/L).

116 babies. Do you know how many babies are seen daily with neonatal jaundice?
Selected those with severe nonhemolytic hyperbilirubinemia so we can say that none had hemolytic anemia.

All patients were treated with high‐intensity phototherapy

No baby met the criteria for absolute indications for exchange blood transfusion.

The main outcomes were reduction in TSB levels in the first 24 h of phototherapy, incidence of exchange transfusion, pathological brainstem auditory evoked responses and pathological findings on neurological examination at discharge.

Who says photolight doesn't work? Lol. Let's move further

The mean birth weight and gestational age were 3161 ± 466 g and 37.8 ± 1.6 weeks

Babies are normal weight and term and near term
So there are no LBW, VLBW and ELBW.

There are are no preterms Less than 35weeks or Small for gestational age

Mean SB Mean initial TSB concentration was 22.4 ± 2.4 mg/dL

Most people had sb of 20 to 25 ok.

What about babies with 25, 30, 35, 40

Per cent decreases in TSB after 2, 4, 6, 12, 18 and 24 h of phototherapy were 9.4%, 16%, 23%, 40%, 44% and 50%, respectively

Its possible to get these after phototherapy.

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No infant was treated with exchange transfusion.

None had absolute indication for it in the first place.

No infant was treated with exchange transfusion. Brainstem evoked response audiometry (BAER) was performed in 100% of the patients, and in three of them, this examination was altered. However, when repeated 3 months later, these BAER examinations were normal. Neurological examination was normal in all patients

No poor suck or abnormal movement of limbs, therefore,
no bilirubin induced neurologic dysfunction.

joyandfaith:
for novice like you, do you know that no blood transfusion order is even better than Do not resuscitate order
A do-not-resuscitate (DNR) order can also be part of an advance directive. Hospital staff try to help any patient whose heart has stopped or who has stopped breathing. They do this with cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). A DNR is a request not to have CPR if your heart stops or if you stop breathing. You can use an advance directive form or tell your doctor that you don’t want to be resuscitated. Your doctor will put the DNR order in your medical chart. Doctors and hospitals in all states accept DNR orders. They do not have to be part of a living will or other advance directive.

I repeat patient or guardian has right to refuse certain treatment options. that is medical law. no sentiment

Is watchtower organisation a hospital? No
In this case baby killer the child's parents refused an exchange blood transfusion for their newborn because watchtower organisation said so.

A parent do not have a right to withhold valuable and important medical treatment or procedure from a newborn.

Do not resuscitate order in newborns is different from refusal of exchange blood transfusion in newborns.
The former is done when all means of treatment has been exhausted and patient will never live off ventilator and drs have seen neonate is brain dead.
While the later helps prevent death and neurologic damage in the neonate.


Parents can't withhold a life saving procedure for their children or babies.

You still don't get and don't believe that children newborns inclusive have rights to live.

xaggar:


The Olodo won't check out the link.
Rigid people, who refuse to grow spiritually or even medically.

Baby killer. No wonder you say your newborn doesn't have right to life. You decide to ban blood transfusion so he will die or become an slowpoke.

Lol. Baby told you he wants to reject blood transfusion. Baby killer

xaggar:


Typical case of the useless tongue that curse and the same time bless.

You should be surprised because you are narrow minded and love sensationalism.
Did you hear the couple's side of the story?
Did they really want their child dead?
Is it a death sentence to refuse blood transfusion?
Did you study medical science to feel there isnt any other "better" alternative?

Myopic fellow!!!

There is no side to any couples story. They refused a life saving medical procedure for their newborn because of a lie their leader told them in 1945.

xaggar:


The Olodo won't check out the link.
Rigid people, who refuse to grow spiritually or even medically.

Spiritual growth now means killing babies because of your illiterate leaders assumption?

Addenn:
I have to applaud the calmness of words used by 'masking' all along despite the hotness of this topic and the enthusiasm to defend the truth. The likes of joyandfaith choice of word is not really healthy. While will all like to stand by the truth, our manner of defending the truth goes a long way to say something about our belief. For the likes of 'ucham' and others who keep asking about 'fractions' 'masking'have answered you to a greater extent that it is base on 'conscience'. Perhaps you are not completely fine with that, that's why 'atolayeba' possibly direct you to the website. In summary, it is understandable that we cannot all sleep and face one direction, but with calmness and mutual respect we can accommodate other peoples' position on matters.

Baby killer spotted.

Hefy4real:

Well, you’ve won. My motive was never to win any argument.
For more information about High-intensity phototherapy for the treatment of severe nonhaemolytic neonatal hyperbilirubinemia click the secular link below
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21251060/#fft

That’s not all i got though. I’ll need somone who’s not dogmatic to pm me or request for more convincing proofs (not experiments)

Last last your study never said high intensity phototherapy obviates the need for phototherapy in severe hyperbilirubinemia.

Lies lies lies.

Show me alternatives to EBT when a newborn meets the criteria for absolute EBT..
Still none?

Originalsly:


There are other treatments.... and most times no treatment is needed. I'm surprised you didn't know that. They're still wrong to use the option the parents are against.

Which other options are used when the newborn meets the criteria for absolute indications of exchange blood transfusion?

Another baby killer spotted.
Did the child tell you he is against it?

joyandfaith:


shit. you do not know different between supportive care and definite treatment. in diseases you mention, treatment is directed at underlying causes not only supportive care like fluid and oxygen therapy among others.
olodo

Do the definitive treatment and not address acute life threatening events and watch the patient die. Baby killer.

atoleybaba:
what other Bible verse concerning blood those he want apart from the one shown to him? I asked him to go to d website to see the type of drugs that can be used and doesn't relate to taking blood....what is wrong if he makes research to find answers to questions he seeks? The website will provide him better explanation has it has already been written already.... whatever I will tell him will be from where am directing him to. So instead of pasting it here why can't he take his time to visit the website....if he really wants answer other than for mocking sake, I don't think it will take anything from him

Did your site talk about newborns taking these medicines?

Hefy4real:


To be frank, i really do not hate you or view you as less intelligent than i am. It can be quite shocking or weird to just accept change even when it is the best
If only your questions are genuine, i would have answered you beyond your wildest imaginations with proofs and references from more qualified practitioners who our politicians all run to to seek the best treatment. I know you will reject them because you feel you’ve known it all. Peace out fellow

You for talk na say you don't have any answer. Your gb know nothing about neonatology.


Where are the references? Lies lies lies

Let me tell you the truth that your gb will never tell you when there is an absolute indication for a newborn to get an Exchange blood transfusion there are no alternatives to it. That's why it is called absolute indication.