grandstar:


The instruction to abstain from blood is scriptural. We used to accept blood transfusions in the past. However, due to a better understanding of the Bible, we had to start abstaining from blood (Read Acts 15:28-29). This was a carryover from the Mosaic law that forbade blood consumption in any form

We accept any treatment that excludes blood transfusion. Many doctors agree that treatments excluding blood transfusion have better results.

However, whether they have better results or not, we are simply following a scriptural instruction. If tomorrow, we realize the Bible says otherwise, we will start accepting blood.

We are a people that don't celebrate Christmas or Easter yet drink alcohol. We drink alcohol because the Bible does not stop us from drinking. If an elder preaches otherwise, he must prove to us by the scriptures. If what tfw overseer preaches has no scriptural backing, the congregation will be informed not to follow his view that it the view is wrong.

Even jim Jones will give you scriptural back up to justify his mass murder.

Suicide bombers have scriptural backing.

Every evil committed by religious bodies on this earth has scriptural backing.

You say abortion is bad and jehovah will be angry but once the same child is born and needs blood transfusion you let him die instead and say jehovah will be happy.

joyandfaith:


define hyperbilirubinemia? and class it to mild, moderate and severe ? and define treatment for each ?

Keep asking and go and read. No be only defined. Me I said severe hyperbilirubinemia o. You have now gone to hyperbilirubinemia and let me class it for you and give you treatment for each.

Baby killer.

Want to justify murder lol.
Bottom line is baby had blood transfusion and need an EBT because neonatologists said so.

But joy and faith says there are other alternatives to EBT for this child because her leaders said so. Therefore doctors Responsible for baby don't know anything even going as far as getting a court injunction doesn't make EBT important because jw religion banned blood transfusion even for neonates.

barragan:


No indications from the story that it has become a last resort situation. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't I have only said blood exchange is the last resort for an extreme jaundiced baby.

The rest of the jargon you wrote is not for me.

It's a possibility baby met the criteria for getting an exchange blood transfusion

joyandfaith:


define hyperbilirubinemia.smh

block head . shit

Define severe hyperbilirubinemia block head and baby killer

joyandfaith:


define hyperbilirubinemia.smh

block head . shit

I said severe hyperbilirubinemia block head and killer

Deandean:

Well,the natural survival instinct would prompt most of us to judge matters like this emotionally...but may i tell you if you are open to learning,that blood transfusion though cheap and easy is a grossly outdated medical procedure and removed from the list of best medical practice in countries like the United states,india,uk and the euro zones...this is because on examination of the post conditionalities of transfused patients,the life long cost of suppressing cell conflicts outweighs the short term benefits.
Also,some Nigerian doctors are mostly know to stop there continued professional development,applying only the medical procedures from the 80s,procedures the world had moved away from. Also,please verify these,95% of doctors would never ever accept transfusion,either for self or thete wards.they understand what is involved.but are quick to recommend transfusion because "blood money" is quick money.
Jehovah's witnesses understand the countless dangers associated with even a well screened blood sample not to mention the blood these hospitals collect from Northerners at N2000/pint,if only they tell you how many complications,deaths,terminal illnesses had resulted from transfusion,we also understand how our lives and that of our wards are is precious in God's eye.we would not out of social pressure consent to a lazy doctor's outdated and dangerous recommendations.our refusal is the ultimate respect for life.

Now on the issue of best international practice,i would not say a word for you not to think i am promoting an unpopular idea,please use Google,or ask highly updated medical advisers.do you also know that worldwide,Jehovah's witnesses reach out to medical doctors,encouraging them to update there knowledge on general best practice,they have trained tens of thousands of non Jehovah's witness doctors,for the benefit of all.
This Lagos state agency is only trying to score cheap political points,i assure you,the DG herself would never accept a transfusion if shez a medical doctor.

Give us the new treatment for treating severe hyperbilirubinemia?

The one jws were championing as a replacement for blood transfusion has been banned because of the number of deaths it caused.

barragan:
Transfusion to cure Jaundice? That ordinarily should be a last resort situation why have the government taken it upon themselves to force it on someone's child?

Exchange of blood portends more danger for a new born than help.

What if it was the last resort already? What if they had exhausted other options? Do you think neonatologists will just say EBT once? Look for another explanation to justify murder done by your religion.

Jim Jones people's temple told his members to drink cyanide. He thought he was right and his members thought he was right. He murdered them the way your organisation is murdering their followers.

All na beliefs

joyandfaith:

list causes of dic
list causes of elevated bilirubin.
list cause of acute severe anaemia
with cardiopulmonary compromise

no wonder many doctors kill their patients by giving supportive care and ignoring definite treatment of underlying condition.

I said severe hyperbilirubinemia don't change my words.
I didn't say elevated bilirubin. Liar


No wonder doctors like you treat other things without addressing acute life threatening issues.
The way your religion kills newborns in developing countries abi?

Treat the underlying cause of the acute severe anemia with cardiopulmonary compromise and DIC,

Treat severe hyperbilirubinemia secondary to rh incompatibility

Ode.

Murderer.
You are delighted at people dying from blood transfusion refusal because you believe you will see them in paradise earth.

I FEEL YOU HAVE EVEN KILLED YOUR CHILDREN SELF


LET ME TELL YOU NOW THAT YOU WILL KEEP WAITING FOR PARADISE EARTH AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN JUST THE WAY YOUR FOUNDING FATHERS DIED WAITING.

Keep justifying murdering babies because your leaders made a law.

joyandfaith:


shit. you do not know different between supportive care and definite treatment. in diseases you mention, treatment is directed at underlying causes not only supportive care like fluid and oxygen therapy among others.
olodo

Lol is Exchange blood transfusion a supportive care in severe hyperbilirubinemia? Olodo.

What is definitive treatment of DIC? What is definitive treatment of acute severe anemia with cardiopulmonary compromise? Olodo

What did your gb say is definitive treatment again?

joyandfaith:


have you finished? clap for yourself
people who have nothing upstairs always resort to insults. I am not surprised.

You called me an idiot first.
You lack humanity deal with it. See someone that said she has something upstairs saying that there are other alternatives to severe jaundice saying neonatologists were wrong to have prescribed an exchange blood transfusion. I am not suprised.


FYI no experiment has been done on newborns for alternatives to EBT for severe hyperbilirubinemia.
Maybe your gb has done.
Newborns are not lab rats.

ableguy:

It never existed anywhere
This one jux wan talk because others are talking

It's only in your magazines na. Where did the bible ban blood transfusion?

joyandfaith:


tell me one medical disease that blood is used as definite treatment.
people who have nothing upstairs always resort to insults. I am not surprised .

DIC, acute severe anemia with cardiopulmonary compromise, severe hyperbilirubinemia etc

joyandfaith:

define humanity ? idiot

Robot, zombie and wicked human being.
You lack humanity cos you don't see anything wrong with a newborn dying from a man made belief made by a religion to which its parents belong.


You and your fellow jws lack humanity deal with it.
Keep waiting for your jehovah to come destroy/slaughter people because they decided to save a newborns life by giving it blood transfusion.

Ode

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The child is still alive that's all that matters. It shows that blood transfusion can still save life.

It doesn't always follow what you preach saying blood transfusion is always bad.

Stop looking for someone to blame in this situation.

Fancyforlife:


Thank you for your point. l'm sure the parents will not reject her. It pains me when people talk based on ignorance. Since the child is not 18 years old. The parents have the right to accept or refuse blood transfusion for their child.

Then you know nothing of child right acts. Your gb in new York cannot even try nonsense with their newborns or children.

Medical team and social services will take over baby and baby will get blood transfusion. Your gb can't make pim.

Children are humans and every human being has a fundamental right children inclusive. You don't even know anything self.

GoTV:



This is exactly why you will never see Leah sharibu again

Just the same way jws have sentenced people to death especially children.

joyandfaith:


I guess Hitler, Stalin,Napoleon, Ghadaffi, Osama bin laden are also jehovah witnesses
I guess crusaders, jihadists are also Jehovah witnesses
Do you have statistics of people that died even after blood transfusion?
Do you have statistics of people that survive even after refusing blood transfusion?
Do you have statistics who developed serious complications after blood trsnsfusion?

I hope government will be responsible to take responsibility for taking care of children hawking goods or being abused by their parents

I hope government should be bold enough to stop faith healing services, ritual killing and advance free fraud

I know in medicine there are always alternative to blood transfusion. Was other medical treatment options explained to the parents?

Insult is not answer to diverse opinions or beliefs.

Emotional blackmail doesn't change anything.
Last last you just told us that your religion is just like Hitler and stalin's beliefs.

You even likened your beliefs to those doing ritual killing.

You think you sound intelligent but just showed us your lack of a basic thing called humanity. You guys lack compassion, empathy and conscience which are the essential qualities of being humans.

Fancyforlife:


The Lagos state government violated the fundamental rights of the parent. They have the right to refuse blood transfusion for the child.

So the child doesn't have fundamental human rights? E be like say child na animal na. Even animals now have rights sef.

lucky4west:
religious blindness every where...from killing to gain virgins in paradise to refusing a 14 days old child a life-saving blood transfusion what sort of archaic belief is that? how is blood transfusion now sin in the life of an innocent child that cannot even talk yet not to talk of committing sin? false doctrines every where...having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof....same JWs will tell you no hell fire ....brainwashed

Because one magazine told them that if they do this their jehovah will make them inherit paradise earth forever and live on it forever after he has finished killing all non jws.

joyandfaith:


I am very sure options were not explained to them.
even in extreme cases, there are always options but some doctors are dogmatic. they are not interested in options and when patients died due to their dogmatism, they would find medical terminologies to cover their mistakes.

Which option for a baby with severe jaundice? You claim to know more than the neonatologists right?

What of when the patients survive? It can go either way. Stop saying only the bad ones.

Authoreety:
Respect people's believe

The 14 day old baby told you that that's its belief right?

Una go say abortion is murder but the same people will kill their children because of blood transfusion ban. Hypocrites

Jozzy4:


" my point remains for all those in this one and only new covenant they remain as King and Priest irrespective of their DESTINATION( Heaven or Earth). " - achorladey

.

cc: Captivator

Therefore only your governing body are in this one and only new covenant And will remain as kings and priests. Lol

MizJanet:

loser,
Is he human ?

Where is the bible passage that said he was not human because he didn't pass excrement?

You are the bigger LOSER. You resort to cursing people because you don't have an answer to their questions. Lol

MizJanet:


Anything human must excrete what they eat . Eze 4:15

U sounding dumb already, For your claim that he is human to be true. He must excrete nd EXCRETION proves he is subjected to decay

Abeg show us the bible passage where it was said that he excreted or didn't excrete. GBAM

You are the person sounding dumb. Simple bible passage you can't show

Who will pay for it?

MizJanet:


See church man, I don't know why you are so pained that u even have The gut to quote me twice , If you claim he is human, oga he must excrete . Human digestive system is designed to excrete, EXCRETION of waste products from the body or else the person dies .

I even gave you Ezekiel 4:15 u pretend as if it's not inside your Bible , EXCRETION is part of been human.

U loser didn't even realize that Jesus to have excrete that waste means he still produces decay, I thought your Bible said corruption cannot inherit incorruption ? So Heaven is designed. To accommodate corrupt and decay elements like feaces from an human ?

U have a brain , don't you ?

So show me where they said he excreted or didn't excrete in the bible GBAM

Maximus69:


JEHOVAH have spoken THROUGH THE MOUTH OF HIS WITNESSES AND HIS ACTION but you people are BLIND and DEAF spiritually!

©Jehovah's Witnesses have been preaching and teaching throughout the earth regarding customs and traditions that irritates God.

©The month of December is peculiar to all sort of injurious things and disaster.

What else do you expect God to do if you people ignore his TRUE servants and other vivid signs around you?

They speak on customs that irritate God when it's not even written anywhere that it irritates God. Lol

God has never said those customs irritate him whereas you guys have already listed the customs. Lol

How God in spirit form talked to your leaders from 1914 I don't know.

Maximus69:


Hairyrapunzel WAS a JW, he is self-centered and feels whatever rules binding on members is not for him so he WAS DISFELLOWSHIPED!

So there is NOTHING you can say to assist him, he is fully determined to kick against whatever JEHOVAH says, most especially if it's to govern his people as one.
He feels really bitter inside him like scattering God's people so that there won't be worshippers of the true God standing out as a unique group!

But jehovah didn't ever condemn people who celebrated jesus christ when he was born nor was it ever written in his word that he condemned celebrating the birth of jesus .

Watchtower leaders said so. Or else you are saying your leaders are now jehovah.

You can't even provide proof that jehovah said such.

thinkmoney:

hmmm, thank u. I notice it's difficult to make him see reason. God help him

It's you who needs God's help.

When Catholics use deductive reasoning you call them false religion but you say your religion is a true religion when they use deductive reasoning.

Hypocrites

cerpvad:
Have a nice life

Same to you.

Maximus69:


God's word was written to help believers know what they should and shouldn't do in the name of God!
The only thing wrong in idolatry is worshiping in the WRONG form. Humans were created with the inborn tendency to worship God. Satan capitalises on this to misdirect humans into doing what will annoy God and bring reproach on his holy name.
That's why God instructed the nation of Israel (the one and only nation he gave divine laws on how to please him in worship) not to copy any of the customs and traditions of the nations in their surrounding! Deuteronomy 11:32, 12:30

Birthday celebration is the custom of those pagan nations {Genesis 40:20} only God's enemies copy it from pagan nations {Matthew 14:6} you can't see any amongst God's faithful servants whether in the old or new Testament that engages in BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION

Before the arrival of Jesus Christ the Ecclesiaste said it's the day a man dies that's most important than the day of his birth! Ecclesiastes 7:1

To prove that he is hear to fulfill what was written before him {Matthew 5:17} Jesus' birthday was never celebrated by his parents, himself nor his followers. Jesus INSTRUCTED his followers to commemorate the day of his death NOT his birth! Luke 22:19-20

For us to know how to continue with the legacy they left behind, GOD made sure that after four Witnesses penned down the story of Jesus' life and ministry, God also made sure that another book was written called ACT OF APOSTLES According to the book the first century Christians NEVER thought of celebrating the BIRTH of Jesus!

So if anyone feels like celebrating the BIRTH of Jesus today, it's OK!
But believers IMITATING the faith of the early Christians will say "NO we are not interested!" Hebrew 13:7

God bless you!

Neither can you see any of Jesus apostles condemn birthday celebrations.

Even when herod killed John the Baptist jesus didn't condemn him

cerpvad:
Are those your last words?

Keep talking deductive assumption.