Janosky:

You are the brainwashed one here because in your copy of the Bible you were instructed to desist from taking the blood of any creature ( whether man or animal) into your body.
Blood transfusions,blood oath covenants amounts to violation of God's righteous laws.
(Lev17:14. Acts15:28-29).
Quantirinu to lie & deceive yourself.

At least they where specific of the creature. It was the creatures they killed for food

Lev 17

The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites and say to them: ‘This is what the Lord has commanded: 3 [b]Any Israelite who sacrifices an ox,[a] a lamb or a goat in [/b]the camp or outside of it 4 instead of bringing it to the entrance to the tent of meeting to present it as an offering to the Lord in front of the tabernacle of the Lord—that person shall be considered guilty of bloodshed; they have shed blood and must be cut off from their people. 5 This is so the Israelites will bring to the Lord the sacrifices they are now making in the open fields. They must bring them to the priest, that is, to the Lord, at the entrance to the tent of meeting and sacrifice them as fellowship offerings. 6 The priest is to splash the blood against the altar of the Lord at the entrance to the tent of meeting and burn the fat as an aroma pleasing to the Lord. 7 They must no longer offer any of their sacrifices to the goat idols[b] to whom they prostitute themselves. This is to be a lasting ordinance for them and for the generations to come.’

8 “Say to them: ‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice 9 and does not bring it to the entrance to the tent of meeting to sacrifice it to the Lord must be cut off from the people of Israel.

10 “‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people. 11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.[c] 12 Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.”

13 “‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth, 14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, “You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.”

15 “‘[b]Anyone, whether native-born or foreigner, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals [/b]must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then they will be clean. 16 But if they do not wash their clothes and bathe themselves, they will be held responsible.

Janosky:

Weep for your delusion.
Leviticus 17:14 . Acts 15:28-29. Acts5:29.
Hebrews 11:17-19. Matt 10:32-39 no dey your Bible?
Nairaland churchians everywhere.
You dey deceive yourself

So you didn't read the part that said that it's blood of animals meant for food and sacrifice abi?

Una no go kill person with laugh

Jehovah respected the blood of animals than the life of the animals: they killed the animals for food and sacrifice while their blood was sacred.

Your jehovah respects the blood of humans blood transfusion (humans who do not get killed or used for sacrifice) more than the lives of his followers as they and their children's lives are taken because of the refusal of blood transfusion.

Janosky:



Your body doesn't consume the food or drugs you ingest into your system,its not for sustenance of your life.....
You only consume them for fancy , same way you can ingest blood transfusions for fancy
.

Leviticus 17:14 . Acts 15:28-29. Acts5:29.
Hebrews 11:17-19. Matt 10:32-39. Phil2:8 no dey your Bible?

Nairaland churchians everywhere.
You dey deceive yourself

Baby killer, so it's your jehovah that gave you this explanation on consumption of blood through veins abi?

From do not eat blood of animals to the body consume blood through transfusion. E get wetin we no go see or hear on in the name of religion?

Terrorists: I bomb people because of my religious beliefs (my god says so so I must obey him) so I will wake up in heaven and have 7 virgins to myself.

Jw : I will choose the option kill my children and my self instead of accepting blood transfusion because of my religious beliefs because I/my child will wake up in paradise earth and live forever


Christians: I have a god who wouldn't want me to kill myself or my child because of any religious beliefs

Atheist: I can't kill myself for anyone.


Who are the sick psychopaths in all these groups?
Answer: terrorists and jw.

begunatoye:
There is an ethical side to this news. the parents right to informed consent for their infant was violated. I am sure this news has some holes as to what transpired in the hospital between the parents and the hospital. if they did not want their infant treated they would not have seek medical attention. The issue is they want an alternative treatment, not blood transfusion..And tt is even possible that the infant was receiving an alternative treatment at the time the court injunction was sought (because there was no indication in the news that the infant condition worsened), and the transfusion was enforced.

Doctors are not God, there judgement are not infallible.i have witnessed a number of cases in where expectant women are billed for C.S but gave birth naturally just by taken juice of Marsh mallow (ewedu).And I have seen many transfused blood that die from complications of blood transfusion. Why are such medics involved in such cases not villified?
Jehovah's witnesses desire quality treatment that don't violate their bodily integrity and beliefs.

I have seen many women who went for vaginal birth when they were counselled for cs die from the vaginal birth. I have seen many people who had blood transfusion go home without blood transfusion complications

Hefy4real:


That guy, whatever his name is, is unreasonable (no insult) How can you claim to be a doctor and refuse to accept new directives and improvements in your field. I think he knows the truth, but his hatred has made him opposed to the truth.

EPO can also be used on premature infant with success. Oral iron and B12 with the EPO makes it work better with prematures along with other things including being careful with blood test. Infact, most pediatrics doctors and nurses believe that when infants are given blood they can forget how to make their own so, they become anemic.
Light therapy along with others (excluding EBT) works very well most especially for infants who are jaundiced
Stop quoting or replying the fellow. The more you do you only make him feel he is more enlightened and needs no further study, research or training. He doesn’t know he his far behind and that each year there’s always an improvement and new directives in the medical field. Pride won’t let him agree. Pride they say comes before a crash

Did the new directives say blood transfusion is obsolete? Did the new directives say blood transfusion is not being done again?
Did the new directives say blood transfusion is bad?

Please what is the new directive?
Shey bi watchtower magazines is now the new guide for physicians?

You guys are just clowns. In fact let all doctors stop using their textbooks and start using only watchtower magazines as their reference.

New directives ke? Because watchtower created new directives which are the same for all their followers both sick and well therefore, doctors worldwide should adopt these directives leave their own medically accepted protocols which are different for well and sick abi?


Your jehovah is bias sef he said you should accept autologous blood transfusion aka bloodless surgery and reject allogenic blood transfusion . Hmmm funny evil jehovah.

capitalzero:


Do you know Jehovah at all ? Just be careful of what you say since what you know about God, human and universe are limited. Do not let hatred cloud sense of reasoning.


It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get.
Confucius

See someone that loves and says his jehovah loves saying his jehovah will be angry when someone accepts blood transfusion or accepts blood transfusion for their newborn.


Blood transfusion is a bad thing because nathan knorr said it was bad in 1945. You want to lie on your jehovah's head. Nathan knorr is dead already armageddon has not still come paradise earth has not still come. Wicked/worldly/unrighteous/evil humans aka pagans aka non jws are still living their lives and in their homes on earth while jw imaginary paradise earth is still inside their heads/imagination.

Same nathan knorr still banned vaccinations and organ transplant same time. Very wicked human even worse than Hitler self.

Keep killing yourselves and your babies all in the name of bloodless surgery.

FYI medicine is always advancing. The way medicine was practiced in nathan knorrs time is different from what's obtainable now.

Well, he is dead and gone forever just the way this your gb will still die and go forever including you still armageddon will not happen and you will never smell any paradise earth.

capitalzero:


Do you know Jehovah at all ? Just be careful of what you say since what you know about God, human and universe are limited. Do not let hatred cloud sense of reasoning.


It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get.
Confucius

I know your jehovah will be angry if you do abortion but will be happy if when that same child dies because parents refused blood transfusion for child.
Tueh. God forbid. Tufiakwa.


Your jehovah cannot do anything more than inside watchtower magazines the only place were he can do anything.

capitalzero:


I read the article. I was published 2001. Shame on you. Somebody is trying to enlighten you but you refuse to reason. I cannot even debate with you because you reasoning capacity Is low. You are shouting baby killer. Who is baby is killer ? Is it parent who take their child to hospital for medical care but want blood alternatives to blood which are available. Do not tell me it is not impossible. Since article joyandfaith posted was published in 2001, there are many advances in field of neonatal medicine but because you hate JW so much you cannot even do some Google search to improve yourself. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get.-Confucius. For many doctors especially in Nigeria, blood transfusion is very easy for them while alternatives are much difficult because like you they do not want to improve themselves.
You abuse everybody who counters your opinion. You think you are right but others are wrong.
Proverbs 14:12: There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.
Many things have changed in transfusion medicine. Soon doctors who do not know more than giving blood will find it very difficult to practice. I would have shared some links to see latest development in blood substitutes, artificial blood etc but you are not ready to learn. Doctors who are promoting practice of bloodless medicine or surgery are not JW but they see as challenge. Do say something is impossible. Just say you have no idea and you are willing to learn.
Try to learn new things my friend.

Lies lies lies. Baby killer. There are contradictions to your bloodless medicine and when they fail exchange blood transfusion is the next option baby killer.

Who told you I don't know about your bloodless surgery? There are indications and contradictions which watchtower organisation never tells you.


Watchtower organisation will lie to you that since bloodless surgery worked for a certain group of people it will work for others who have something different. Baby killer spotted.


Still you are still yet to show me the study they did on sick preterm low birth weight babies who meet absolute criteria for exchange blood transfusion baby killer.

Don't worry when you finish killing your babies they will wake up in your imaginary paradise earth. Commit suicide and murder all in the name of religion. Baby killer.

TheGiftedOne:
The wisdom of God is foolishness to the world. I need not say more.

jw.org

In your jehovah wisdom he prefers his followers die and let their babies die rejecting a medical procedure. Real foolishness of his people abi their jehovah

joyandfaith:
Sn-Mesoporphyrin interdiction of severe hyperbilirubinemia in Jehovah's Witness newborns as an alternative to exchange transfusion.
Kappas A, et al. Pediatrics. 2001.
Show full citation
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: The religious convictions of parents who are Jehovah's Witness adherents lead them to reject the use of exchange transfusions as therapy for severe hyperbilirubinemia in newborns in whom intensive phototherapy has failed to control this problem. Consequently, physicians caring for such infants may be obliged to initiate legal action to compel use of the procedure when severe
not sufficiently responsive to phototherapy warrants an exchange transfusion. Our goal was to determine if we could use the potent inhibitor of bilirubin production, Sn-Mesoporphyrin (SnMP), to resolve the troubling medical-legal issues in such situations in 2 infants with hemolytic disease of the newborn who required exchange transfusions for severe hyperbilirubinemia but whose Jehovah's Witness parents rejected the procedure


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11731664/

Of two neonates one preterm and the other term but normal birth weight in America who got drug from lab becos it’s on clinical trials because they were waiting for legal action to grow through.
Highest sb was 17 for one and the other 25


When you show me the very sick preterm low birthweight who met absolute criteria for getting EBT getting your bloodless you let me know.


Last last you will still come back and show me babies who underwent drug trials in the countries producing the drugs. Drug that they used helicopter to take to the hospital from the lab where they were producing them. Baby killer.

joyandfaith:
for novice like you, do you know that no blood transfusion order is even better than Do not resuscitate order
A do-not-resuscitate (DNR) order can also be part of an advance directive. Hospital staff try to help any patient whose heart has stopped or who has stopped breathing. They do this with cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). A DNR is a request not to have CPR if your heart stops or if you stop breathing. You can use an advance directive form or tell your doctor that you don’t want to be resuscitated. Your doctor will put the DNR order in your medical chart. Doctors and hospitals in all states accept DNR orders. They do not have to be part of a living will or other advance directive.

I repeat patient or guardian has right to refuse certain treatment options. that is medical law. no sentiment

You should hide your wicked head in shame.

You even have to compare a directive for someone that is certain to die someone in end of life to a living sick premature low birth weight newborn needs exchange blood transfusion to treat neonatal jaundice?


You should be ashamed of yourself imposing your psychopathic thoughts and beliefs on an innocent newborn.

Because of your evil religious beliefs parents have a right to refuse live saving medical care for their newborn who is sick because there is an order in medicine for parents to sign a do not resuscitate order for newborns who are already brain dead.

Comparing care of a dead newborn to the care given to an alive sick newborn.
Your religion is evil. Tueh. Spits out. Tufiakwa. God forbid

joyandfaith:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/bloodless_medicine_surgery/


The Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery
For many patients, blood transfusion is not an option, whether for religious reasons or safety concerns. The Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery team understands and respects this view. We are experts in patient blood management, improving health outcomes and creating peace of mind for those who seek the very best healthcare, without the use of blood or blood products.
Discover the Benefits
There are many benefits to a bloodless approach. Research shows that patients who do not receive blood transfusions recover faster, experience fewer infections and leave the hospital sooner than those who do.

John Hopkins did not say that they have stopped using blood transfusion did they? No

Did john Hopkins not tell you that some people don't get to meet criteria for bloodless surgery?

Did John Hopkins not tell you that there are contradictions to bloodless surgery?

Your jehovah said you should accept autologous blood transfusion aka bloodless surgery and reject allogenic blood transfusion. Confused jehovah.

Janosky:

Our brothers must take prompt action to
You know that blood Transfusions have killed more persons than save lives....
Keep ranting up& down... Na your way..

Reference. I know you will show me only watchtower magazines. The blood fractions/components that you people accept is gotten from blood donated by worldly people. Lol

Maximus69:


It's OK my brother!

They believe they're saying the life of the child by transfusing BLOOD into his body, but we knew the dangers of such kind of treatment.

One thing is certain
IT'S ONLY JESUS' BLOOD CAN SAVE!

Yet it wasn't meant to be taken literally but by FAITH!

We will stick to our bloodless forms of treatment, even if they're desperate to the point of rejecting divine instructions.
It's not all those who accept blood transfusion that do survive treatment.
It's not all those who reject blood transfusion that do survive bloodless treatment.
It's not all those who accept blood transfusion that do die in the process.
It's not all those who reject blood transfusion that do die with bloodless treatment.
So it's 50/50 chance!
But the irony of this is the fact that health professionals themselves will never opt for a blood transfusion!

I had an EBT done o. Thank God my parents are not zombies and didn't join jw I for be slowpoke by now.

begunatoye:
There is an ethical side to this news. the parents right to informed consent for their infant was violated. I am sure this news has some holes as to what transpired in the hospital between the parents and the hospital. if they did not want their infant treated they would not have seek medical attention. The issue is they want an alternative treatment, not blood transfusion..And tt is even possible that the infant was receiving an alternative treatment at the time the court injunction was sought (because there was no indication in the news that the infant condition worsened), and the transfusion was enforced.

Doctors are not God, there judgement are not infallible.i have witnessed a number of cases in where expectant women are billed for C.S but gave birth naturally just by taken juice of Marsh mallow (ewedu).And I have seen many transfused blood that die from complications of blood transfusion. Why are such medics involved in such cases not villified?
Jehovah's witnesses desire quality treatment that don't violate their bodily integrity and beliefs.

I have also seen many people survive because of blood transfusion they had.

You people have been programmed to always say blood transfusion only kills when you have never smelt hospital.

The parents have right to refuse an important medical care for their newborn because of their religious beliefs?


One of your colleagues was even comparing care given to people who drs are certain of dying (end of life)to a sick baby who need Exchange blood transfusion to treat neonatal jaundice.

It shows the extent to which you people can go with your sick twisted and psychopathic thoughts and nature all in the name of religion

Janosky:


Every JW knows how to handle emergencies such as this one,our brothers will surely learn from this case and take prompt action to alert our hlc.

Many Serial abortionists& infanticide (unborn child) murderers come here to villify JWs over a biased press story.
Wetin Messi no go see for goalposts?

Una go say abortion is bad but whereas you guys wont think twice about letting a baby die instead of accepting blood transfusion because someone told you a lie that bloodless surgeries can be used on all cases that require blood transfusion.

Which biased? Everything is biased because they exposed you people's killer nature.

All na murder. One doesn't cancel out the other just because one says they are obeying their imaginary sky daddy's assumed beliefs.

Murder is murder.

Maximus69:


Don't have your time again Mr Antijw virus patient!

We are against killing babies which you guys are notorious for especially in developing countries.

Maximus69:


It will become really difficult now to have similar case to be reported about Jehovah's Witnesses refusal to take blood!

WHY?

Because throughout the world we have specialized health professionals in our midst, they're called Hospital Liaison Committee (HLC), they're supposed to be contacted in such serious cases. The World Health Organization (WHO) recognises this committee globally and they're working hand in hand to administer bloodless forms of treatment!

Remember the case of Serena Williams, it's this committee that was contacted to help in providing bloodless forms of treatment for her.

So it was the fault of the child's parents, this case wouldn't have been heard at all because the child will be given the best form of treatment WITHOUT BLOOD TRANSFUSION!

You people will not talk about the children and the people that died after they refused blood transfusion o. Only the obviously healthy people who had blood transfusion.

You jws are all endangered species. See people justifying killing of babies. Tueh

TruthHurts100:


That is why we separate ourselves from them and e dey pepper dem.

They worship three gods, they said their God is evil that he will burn them in fire forever. Confused pastors, confused gullible followers.

You people have to go all the way to kill your selves and your babies in order to show that you are obedient to your almighty sky daddy called jehovah.


Is that one jehovah? Yeye jehovah.

sagieramos:


You might need to do a personal research of having someone else blood mixed with your own blood; the risk and its complications on the long run.
The fact that you're dehydrated doesn't mean you should drink someone else saliva, talk more of a more complicated blood.

God is always wiser in every regards, and the instructions he gave regarding the use of blood is evidence he knows better than every physician.

Wait, are you aware that there are other means of performing surgery without the use of blood? It's known as bloodless surgery... Why are some doctors not promoting it? I guess is because it's less profitable to them

Lies as usual. No wonder you guys guys love committing suicide and killing your babies because you want to obey your jehovah aka gb aka leaders that said you should not accept a medical procedure called blood transfusion.

Last last you will die waiting for armageddon just like your founding fathers died waiting for armageddon too.

sagieramos:


List of things we should avoid according to Act 15:20
but to write them to abstain from
things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality,
from what is strangled,
and from blood.

Lev 17: 10 If any man of the house of Israel or any foreigner who is residing in your midst eats any sort of blood, I will certainly set my face against the one who is eating the blood, and I will cut him off from among his people. 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have given it on the altar for you to make atonement for yourselves, because it is the blood that makes atonement by means of the life in it. 12 That is why I have said to the Israelites: “None of you should eat blood, and no foreigner who is residing in your midst should eat blood.”


The bolded is clear enough to understand... Ingesting Chloroquine as tablet or through infusion would still result to the same allergic effect

Why do you guys love hiding the fact that that law was made for animals meant for food and sacrifice?


God loved the life of the animals so much that he said humans should kill them (take their life ) for food and to be used as sacrifice for him. Lol

Jozzy4:

Even unrighteous people are ressurected, it doesn't mean automatic ticket to Paradise
Sense is above you , the issue here is not just Candidate, everyone on earth now according to Churhianity is a candidate of either heaven or hell, so everyone is always a candidate . But automatic ticket is the issue here .... Nobody ask you what happen during the 1000 years, What happen after the 1000 years ?
( REV 20:7-9) THIS IS WHY ABORTING THEM DOESNT GIVE AUTOMATIC TICKET , . But for immortal soul adherents, a baby dying automatically gain heavenly citizenship,

How will you differentiate unrighteous babies from righteous ones?

Hefy4real:


If you are still in pain and cannot understand while others won’t think the same way you think even when medical experts support their views, you know what to do.
If I envisage this rant and hatred would be coming from you. I would have never quoted or replied you.
You know you don’t have to respond to every dog that barks...
It won’t hurt if you researched bloodless surgeries and how effective it is to EBT.
At least you might swallow your pride if you discover it yourself

Name one medical expert that supported that a very sick preterm low birth weight baby with very high bilirubin who meets absolute criteria for exchange blood transfusion should be treated with phototherapy and immunoglobulin instead.

Baby killer I am waiting o. You have run away now now?

Jozzy4:


Which lie, didn't you believe people go to heaven when they die Expecially babies ?

That's why you should let the baby die abi?
Baby killer

Jozzy4:

Nothing was reversed.



Are you denying fornication through the vagina is same as through the Anus ?

The same verse mentioned abstain from fornication, abstain from blood.

Since we can accept minor fractions/components of blood what minor fractions/components of fornication can we accept?

Jozzy4:

Even unrighteous people are ressurected, it doesn't mean automatic ticket to Paradise
Sense is above you , the issue here is not just Candidate, everyone on earth now according to Churhianity is a candidate of either heaven or hell, so everyone is always a candidate . But automatic ticket is the issue here .... Nobody ask you what happen during the 1000 years, What happen after the 1000 years ?
( REV 20:7-9) THIS IS WHY ABORTING THEM DOESNT GIVE AUTOMATIC TICKET , . But for immortal soul adherents, a baby dying automatically gain heavenly citizenship,

When you people believe that your jehovah is coming to destroy/kill/murder/slaughter all non jws so you can inherit their properties and paradise earth.

So what happened after the 1000 years since you are already there and know?

The babies that their parents killed by refusing blood transfusion will wake up crying and automatically talking saying they want to live in paradise earth while the babies who received blood transfusion will not even wake up right?

Congratulations

Snowkel:

what's this one saying, are there no alternative methods of helping the baby. don't say what you don't know

What if all alternatives failed?

Jozzy4:


Retract, you don't even understand the Bible yourself.

The Bible says abstain from blood, abstain from fornication , can someone says fornication only means sex through the vagina, if it's through the Anus . It's not fornication ? What difference is there in drinking alcohol through the vein when the doctor says avoid alcohol ?

Please what fractions/components of fornication should be accepted?

ImaIma1:


It seems you are a pessimist. You only.see the dark side. Have you thought about the fact that the child could grow up to be a light to her family, a model child, successful, God loving?

They are taught in their religion to always see the bad, dark and evil side of things on earth. They only see good things in their imaginary paradise earth.

Jozzy4:


You forgot before anyone enter paradise Earth , there is a Test at the end of 1000 years ? Your thinking cap is lost man, are you this daft so how exactly will aborting them make them a candidate of paradise Earth ?

Where did you get this test to be done at the end of 1000years before anyone can enter paradise earth? It's definitely not the bible.

It's only your magazines that will say such

Iamdhamoski:
All condemning the act of the parents unah well done......I just heard that the baby in question is dead

Why won't the baby die? When the parents withheld treatment for 14 days how won't it die? They were wanted to give treatment meant for only healthy term normal birth weight baby to a very sick preterm low birth weight baby because of lies called religious beliefs.