Samanther: Pastor Fireman

What is the meaning of fireman?

The step is laudable. But i bet, those school managements will also review their Post UME form's price. So don't be surprise if u're to collect one for 15k.

Sad news there. May their souls [size=20pt]RIP.[/size]

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Rilwayne001:

You are not the type of person that one should waste his time talking cuz those orisha are busy eatin "ebo" for your head

words for thought.

macof:

wat is Irunmole? [s]if you can't explain you are stuupid fool to have made that comment[/s]

Ki pon ni

macof:
[s]Dead men are never actually dead, they only transit into another form- sometimes reincarnated
Ancestors are honored as Egungun not Orisha.
Orisha practices is quite different from Egungun.[/s]

This is a SuperStory!

macof:
You know nothing about being Yoruba you are a lost soul,

I know what is good/bad about Yorubas. I chose what'll benefit me, and rejected what'll implicate me.

If you like, act wisely and if u also like, act foolishly.

macof:
A Slave

Thanks!

macof:

Yh right. Says the slave who licks the shiit of Arab masters

You read Quran that is Arabic, You bow in prayers and knock your head on the floor, you count beeds, you receive mess from the next man in front of you during prayers, you feae hell, you don't know if you are saved, you worship an Arab God, you wear Arab clothes, you honor the moon, you kill rams and observe Arab holidays. You recite quranic verses in Arabic and say you are reciting God's instruction. A God that only understands Arabic
This is Arab slavery nothing less

Arabs were always Allah worshipers, their ancestors from Iraq have been worshipping Allah right from time.
Mohamed himself was born into an Allah devoted family. And they were still pagans

Mohammed was only a criminal who killed out of madness, Allah never sent him to kill any body
You should know that Mohamed was a Jewish and Christian scholar who incorporated wat he liked from these religions into his newly found religion- Islam

the rest is fun until u're able to get over ur Irunmoles' infected viral.


Dead men worshiper. I hope ur students will idolize u too

macof:

The bold is just the most important point
No non-arab should give a shiit about Allah became he is not the God of their ancestors

Islam is not about Arab or non-arab. Arabs were once like u, so can you tell me if Arabs influenced Islam or Islam influenced Arabs.

Fight this ur mantra syndrome once and for all.

macof:
Esu is the line better good and bad, the conduct of balance in the activities of the living

Your belief.

macof:
Sango is simply Electrostatic potential energy

Your belief.

macof:
Sango can never do Oduduwa's work and Obatala can never do Esu's work
Olorun can never do Orunmila's work
A big circle of entities doing different things in the universe.

The bolded shows that u're not Okay.

macof:
Olorun is not cognate with any thing Arabic
If we are to go literally
Ilah means god in Arabic, Eleda means god in Yoruba
Olorun is simply one of the Eledas' of the universe, others are Obatala, Esu, Sango etc.

Olorun is Eleda.

macof:

You have no idea wat a name and it's reference to meaning and duty

Can Orisala be used to call Sango?

Your skull is full of dilusions.

macof:
All Forces are personified as the people understand them

The presentations could end up as Woman, man or both sexes or even No sex.

You can't present Olodumare in any form because of whom It is.

macof:
www.nairaland.com/1577497/god-science


Readthis to understand humans and how they personify forces around them

i should read ur fantazies? You're a joke.
You don't even know what Olorun means. You've sacrificed ur sense of reasoning to Orishas.



I don't think i'vent been wasting my time with u & ur co.

macof:
Wats this again? Can you not learn in a discussion?
I've explained Yoruba name the primordial forces after Great ancestors

Shut the hell in ur mouth up. You're deluded, u're not worship any force. You're a slave of dead rotten human being. Worship ur creator alone, let the dead rotten sango be. You're warned!

[quote author=macof]
Egungun is the practice of honoring Transitted Ancestors

Which ancestors? mtcheew!

[quote author=macof]
You have a goat brain
All Members of the Yoruba pantheon have their duties in the universe and cannot be exchanged.

Shut up once again. They've no duty, The universe has been in existence before those demons came. What role did they play in the creation that precedes them? Can't u use ur brain for once?

macof:
Olorun is the head as the symbolic Father and directive force.
Obatala is the second- the light and essence of humanity and the entire universe.

Look at this one. Olorun is Omnipotent, yet He need P. A? Something is wrong.

macof:
Oduduwa is the core and ever active agent of existence. "the black womb that set up existence" the source of all Mass

Masi ko, weti ni. You don't know anything about the creation.

macof:
Orunmila is the intelligent nature of Energy that moves all around the universe and in all living. Layer of Consciousness

Orunmila is moving around the universe, but Olodumare is exclusive to Yoruba land? This is not acceptable.

mazaje:

Olurun is an idea of divinity created by the yoruba people. . .

But it exists during pure pagan era?

mazaje: Shiva the goddess. . .

Shiva created the world, Who created her papa?

mazaje:
Another mythical character called shytan. . .It doesn't matter what they did or whose soldiers they were, the thing i was passing across was that allah instructed them to fight, other gods do not instruct their followers to fight others whether combatant or not. . .

OK!

mazaje:
Yahwehand his only begotton son Jesus?. . .

Yahweh didn't beget any son. Yahweh called jesus a moshiac.

mazaje: Yeah, Macof is a Muslim if he takes Olodumare as his patron God, Believe messengers, Angels, Books, Last Day, Divine destiny.

And where does it say Oludumare has messengers?. . .

Arab pagans asked the same question concerning Allah as well, because they weren't informed. Many believed while many disbelieved.

mazaje:

cos she revealed her self in her holy words called the verdes. . .

Because she was a human being.

mazaje:
Yup. . .But that doesn't mean that all pof them are not human ideas and conception. . .

Not all of them.

mazaje:
So?. . .Every civilization has its god idea, yours is said to exist outside the universe, theirs exist inside the universe and interact with men, they gods can do all things they want so nothing worng with that. . .It is not a flaw as long as the gods are ominpotent and can do all things. . .

Olodumare is omnipotent but will never descend so low to the level of assuming human form. You're just talking trash.

mazaje:
By the way where did you get the false information that Zeus or Palangon died?. . .

What happened to them, ascended to heaven?

Does that make them non-human being? They have human soul like u because they were conceived. and they died like u/i would.

Tell ur superstition to someone else.

mazaje:
Palangon, Rah, Zeus are all men?. . .

What were they, animals?

mazaje:
Ypu still don't want to learn. . . .Here we go. . .
Olòrún is the Yorùbá name given to one of the three manifestations of the Supreme God in the Yoruba pantheon. Olorun is the owner of the heavens and[b] is commonly associated with the Sun[/b]. The vital energy of Olorun manifests in humans as Ashé, which is the life force that runs through all living things.[1] The Supreme God has three manifestations: Olodumare, the Creator; Olorun, ruler of the heavens; and Olofi, who is the conduit between Orun (heaven) and Ayé (earth).

You're not proving anything here. The question is "How many persons are involved"? I believe that should help ur level of reasoning.

mazaje:
Where in the attributes of allah is it written that he is accoiated with the sun and that his energy manifest as ashe?. . .Where is it written?. . .

Sun is one of the creations of Allah. I need to ask if Olorun is the Sun and vice versa?


What is the meaning of Ashe?

mazaje:
Sango is god, just like shiva is god. . .All these are god ideas just like allah. . .

And just like Olorun?

mazaje:
They are all gods that human concieved and gave birth to, cliaming that only your god is the true or real god is silly since we have shown you here about other god ideas, you just refuse to accept them and you continue to hit your head on the ground claiming all other gods are not gods only your own god is the real god. . .

Which one is my God?

mazaje:
Shina is the only true god and she created the universe if you like believe, if you like disbelief but that is the truth. . .

You're not helping urself.

mazaje:
In your indoctrinated imaginations and beliefs allah exist but in reality he does not. . .

But Olorun exists in Yoruba land then?

mazaje:
And this is your evidence that allah created the universe?. . .Some silly verses from a story book written by ancient arabs?. . .You are a joke. . .

Who could have created it if not Olorun?

mazaje:
There are verse in the koran where allah said people should kill unbelievers. . .

They were not just unbelievers, they were Shaytan's soldiers fighting Allah's soldiers. Allah was boosting the morale of His combatant Soldier in those verses that u see. Non-combatant unbelievers are different from Combatant unbelievers.

mazaje:
You will be punished by Yahweh for not believing in him and his only begotten son Jesus. . .

Lol, I do believe in them.

mazaje:
Yeah, every body is a muslim. .

Yeah, Macof is a Muslim if he takes Olodumare as his patron God, Believe messengers, Angels, Books, Last Day, Divine destiny.

mazaje:

Yeah, the god that created men is Shiva the hindu goddess. . .

How do you that it is a female?

mazaje:
Just as allah is not the same as Zeus or palangun. . .

The difference is clear.

mazaje:
But these characters are all gods and they created the universe as we know it according to their own stories. . .

The created the universe, lived in it and died. That is it flaw.

mazaje:
In the story you were indoctrinated with allah which is just a version of god like Zeus or palagon created the universe. . .In reality these gods are all man made ideas, men use to help them explain away existence. . .

They are not only man made but they're men.

mazaje:
Very false. . .

Olòrún is the Yorùbá name given to one of the three manifestations of the Supreme God in the Yoruba pantheon. Olorun is the owner of the heavens and is commonly associated with the Sun. The vital energy of Olorun manifests in humans as Ashé, which is the life force that runs through all living things.[1] The Supreme God has three manifestations: Olodumare, the Creator; Olorun, ruler of the heavens; and Olofi, who is the conduit between Orun (heaven) and Ayé (earth).

Al Musawwir -The Fashioner.
Al Hasib - The Reckoner.
Al Baith - The Ressurrector.
Al Mubdi - The Originator.
Al Mumit - The Creator of death.

Al Ahad - The One

mazaje:
No gender is typically assigned to Olorun because Olorun transcends human limitations. Olorun rules Orun (the heavens), whereas humans live in Ayé (the earth). Typically, humans do not interact directly with Olorun but they receive the life-giving energy from the sun and recognize the power of Olorun over their lives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olorun

Q 7:180.
And (all) the most Beautiful names belong to Allah, so call on Him by them.


The bolded confirm what i've been trying to prove.
You can't live in Aye and be Olorun, because Aye can't contain. [b]Olorun/Olodumare is God while Sango, Obatala, Orunmila were Orishalized by men and thereby became an Idol -ilah/god.
Olorun is a Yoruba word translated to God. I don't know may be Macof can use Olorun for his lord sango, orunmila, obatala... if he can, i'll drop the argument that sango&co are not God, but if he can't then orunmila, obatala are not Olorun/God.

mazaje:
Olodumare is one of the 3 manifestation of Olurun. . . .He is said to be the creative part. This is very diffeent from the allah god of the arabs or the Jesus god of the christians. . .

Olorun in Yoruba is cognate with Ilah in Arabic. Every society has a name like the two.

mazaje:
Because these are other varieties of gods, they chose the ones that come clos to their own god ideas and use it. . . .Olurun is the main god here not even olodumare. . .Oludumare is jjust the creative manifestation of olurun. . .

Olodumare is Olorun and Olorun is Olodumare. None of these names could be used to call Orunmila, Obatala.
Olodumare is The God, and Orunmila is a god.

mazaje:
Still doesn't make olurun allah, Yahweh, amun Rah or Palangon even though all thes gods do not live here on earth but somewhere else.

Check ur reference, those names that are not personified is God.
Those that were personified are Idolized men and they're nothing but an idol.

peterphd:

Everyone on this thread knows you're the ignorant one here.I am asking ...where was allah when the Egyptians and yorubas were pagans?

Allah exists then, now and forever.

peterphd:
Show us how allah created the world or how he is olodumare.

Q 20:98-99.
Your Ilah is ONLY ALLAH. The One. (La ilaha illa Huwa) None has the right to be worshiped but He. He has full knowledge of all things.
Thus we relate to you (O Muhammed {PBUH}) some information of what happened before. And indeed we have given you from us a Reminder (This Quran).

Q 7:180.
"And (all) the most Beautiful names belong to Allah, so call on Him by them, and leave the company of those who belie (or utter impious speech against) His names.

peterphd:
We know olodumare doesn't tell macof and others to kill Peterphd, logicboy et al.

Esu could do!

peterphd:
Can the same be said for allah?

If you're not punished here, u'll be punished there. Justice for transgression against God is to be carried out by God.

peterphd:
Use your brain, black African

If you can use urs, u're likely to be like me - A Muslim.

macof:

You can only deny the truth but the facts stare you right in the face

Allah is Hubal and you know it

No, not Hubal! It is Sin.

I believe cleanvessel hasn't abandoned the thread?

^^ Another brainwashed fellow.

macof:

Yes Allah has been a pagan God right from time

ehmmm, what do i call u, story teller right?

We are listening...

OlaoChi: Thank you macof for your information and Contribution

Only macof has contributed to the thread eh, what about me

macof:

Don't mind the slave, He wants to push Islam as the first religion in the world.
When we all know that Paganism is.

The Egyptians worshipped their own Gods, Yoruba worshipped their own, Canaanites worshipped their own, Greek worshipped their own, Germans Worshipped their own.
Abiola is coming to bring An Arab god upon everybody.
This idea of Islam is first religion is totally insane I tell you

I'm speechless, because the way u reason baffles me at times

peterphd:

Your belief in something doesn't necessarily make it true.We all know that Muhammed copied the Jewish religion, zoroastrianism, and Arab paganism and then murdered all those who didn't believe him.The Egyptians are the oldest civilisation.where was allah when their gods horus et al were being worshipped?

Are you asking a question or answering a question?

You should humble urself at least for the sake of ur ignorance.

macof: We all have an ideology which could be conflicting, Christians disapprove your Islam, Islam disapprove Buddhism
You are Yoruba by ancestral bloodline which is a result of the natural selection attribute of the universe- this is what Yoruba call "Ipin" which brings me to Ifa Orunmila as "Eleri Ipin" which means 'witness to the natural selection' That is why Ifa is an object of prophecy and fulfillment of destiny.
This is what your ANCESTORS who have kept your bloodline Have Practiced for millennias
You are born Yoruba and it is your duty to live Yoruba and die Yoruba. Not to be Arab slave

You know what? Irunmoles are at work.

macof:
Understand wat? That you are brainwashed to think Arabs are pure breeds of higher traditions, Culture and Language that you worship the creator as they demand you.

How did Arabs worshiped? hope u know that they were once like you.

macof:
While dumping the worship system of Your Tribe
Paganism is practicing your tribal and ethnic culture, traditions and spirituality,

Is that all?

macof:
Paganism is the default nature of Man

Islam was reconfigured by Shaytan and it was name paganism by men.
Those that obey Iblis and subsequently became Shaytan have only one destination in afterlife.

macof:
That is why I say everyone is born a pagan.

Who were the first people in Yorubaland and who did they worship?

macof:
Use of idols is only an attribute in paganism not that it is Paganism
Spirituality is superior to religion, you do not restrict spirituality to the confines of religious doctrines.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality

Spirituality is of many types.

macof:
You don't know the meaning of the two words, and don't know how to use them in a sentence.
Paganism is an encompass of Culture, Tradition, Spirituality and Language.
I don't understand my ancestors So it's you dat understands them, right? You who disgrace them, You who call them worshipers of dead men
Pls you should release yourself from confusion.

You are not an ignorance of divine message. Those people were not like you. By referring to them to boost ur sense of belonging will only broaden ur disbelief in the ONESS OF GOD. Nothing could be as bad as dying as a Polytheist/Atheist.

macof:
Pray to Esu lalu to give you understanding and release you from confusion.

Esu is a god of confusion You wonder u're still a pagan

mazaje:

Nope that should convince you that all of them are human creation and human ideas. . .It is just like saying the US dollar is the only currency in the world because it is the currency for international business and all other currencies are fake. . .
God is a human idea that is why there are many different gods and many different religions

Currencies are the creation of men while God is the creator of men.

mazaje:
Islamic god whose name is allah, he is not the same as the hindu god Brahama. . .

Allah is not the same as brahama. Yes, i agree!

mazaje:
False, Olodumare is NOT the same as allah or Yahweh the god of the jews or even Jesus. . .

Allah, Olodumare, Yahweh are referring to ONE GOD in different language.

mazaje:
If you follow the real yoruba tradition the god has different attributes from allah the islamic god. . .

What are the attributes of Olodumare that is different from that of Allah.

mazaje:
It is the arabs and the christians that just used the generic name and substituted it with their own god's name. . .

What are they not using others like Obatala, Orunmila..., Mere coincidence?

mazaje:
Yep, and allah is one of them. . .

You don't know anything about what u're arguing about.

All these gods that u're referring to were men/women that used to live on earth.

The Creator God never physically live on earth.
God is neuter while these were male/female.

They used to live like an ordinary man.
They were like influencial people of this generation which could be idolized tomorrow.

mazaje:
False, the hindu god krishna is not the same with the god os islam which is allah. . .Very different attributes. . .

That should convince you that one is and the other is not.

mazaje:
islam means submission to the will of the islamic god. . .

Islamic God or The Creator God.

mazaje:
It does not mean the christian god,

Christians, Muslims, Pagans call him "Olodumare"

mazaje:
the hindu god or the mayan gods and goddesses. . .islam believes in one god the manyans and hindus believe in many gods, to insist that only one god exist because you happen to be indoctrinated with only one idea of god is silly. . .

There are many gods

mazaje:
Show me that only one god exist and not so many gods. . .

There are many gods

mazaje:

You are making baseless claims with out evidence and dismissing the claims of others as well. . .

How

macof:
we all know you don't regard Yoruba spirituality.

And why would somebody just come in order to unsubstantialy dispprove what i regard?

macof:
Your natural identity- which you were ordained by the natural selection of the universe is Yoruba, Ibadan to be precise.

The bolded is due to ur ideology which opposes mine. I'm A Yoruba, yet one thing unite me with the world.

macof:
Your tribal and ethnic identity is what you are, you only deny it.

My deen is what i'm, and urs should be what u're. You're the one that turned apostate.

macof:
Who is the father of Yorubas? How can he be Muslim when this land has been occupied for thousands of years before Mohammed was even born

Well, i knew u can't understand.

[/quote] What is paganism? [/quote] The act of directing worship to Idols.

macof: What is spirituality?

The inner struggle to connect with God through fulfiling religious duties.

macof: Because it seems you do not know this, answer the question let's see.

Because i've been using the two words interchangably? I was only trying to make myself clear. lol, as if u know that there is nothing spiritual about paganism.

macof: there's nothing Islamic I do not understand, it is you who doesn't understand your ancestors

You don't know anything.

Kay 17:

I'm very interested and further you admit in the bolded, that God's creation of the Universe is a mere belief of yours without substance. Of what use is there to debate over speculations?!

Which substance would u have conceded with?

mazaje:

The universe was created by the hindu goddes shiva . . .

No! It was by Obatala.

mazaje: @harbiola1

Do all monotheistic religions believe in the same god?. . . one God

Yes!

mazaje:
How is the father of yoruba people a muslim?. . .

In a religious context, Islam means; "Voluntary submission to God."
They preceded those pagan gods so they couldn't have worshiped them but God.

Kay 17: Yes it is patently obvious you were not there, therefore you couldn't have known whether God created this universe. So you were saying rubbish

It is obvious that u don't have a zeal for the discussion so u need an excuse like the above. Nothing do u!

I believe that the creation of everything in the universe was brought into being by God's sheer command - "Be, and so it is".

I know that ur gods are products of Big Bang, so i'm not supprise about the argument u're trying to bring forward.


But can you say Olodumare is also a product of something?