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johnydon22:
So "Right" must be a mutual agreement before it is effective?

Only if you want the other party to reciprocate that right and privilege, else it does not have to be mutual. E.g. If I decide that strangers have a right to visit my house and take anything they want, it does not mean I have a right to go to their house and do the same. It become mutual if we agree. Same for animals. You give a snake right to live, does the snake reciprocate by not biting u? No, it does not recognize the right you gave it.

bqlekan:
we humans can choose to be bad or good, animals can't, we have conscience, animals don't. You won't charge a python to court, will you?

animals behaviour is exactly like that of a mad man, you can't hold him responsible for his actions.

Exactly. Even towards each other as humans, we discuss and negotiate rights and privileges. We create rights. Rights don't exist naturally.

johnydon22:
which means since we created the concept of "Rights" it means the limits it goes is exactly the limits we set for it?

Therefore why then would you agree we humans have rights and other species don't or shouldn't?

Exactly
I never agreed that humans have rights. Humans don't have rights. Where is the rights? There are only agreed rights.
We create rights for ourselves.

johnydon22:
Meaning naturally even humans don't have rights.

Almost every specie is territorial, humans more so - i mean check we even shared the planet among ourselves guarding our boarders jealously.



This is a basic natural setting - competition, survival of the fittest even in a human society where there are rules and orders, this still thrives.



You argue because there is nothing like right as a natural agent therefore animals don't have it - this also means humans don't.

But since it is a human concept we therefore are extending the concept to all inhabitants of the planet, the nature argument not only takes away animal right, it takes away a human's as well.

Yes humans don't have rights. We created them because of what we stand to gain from our unity. Makes us all sleep with our two eyes closed.

johnydon22:
Why do you think they don't?

Rights are man made. There is nothing like rights in nature. A lion would kill another lion if he sees the lion as a challenge to his pride (a group of lion is called "pride", a lion will kill and eat other animals that are palatable to it's palate it won't kill an elephant because the elephant has rights but because it can't.
Volcanos, earthquakes, tornadoes, lightening, wild fires, flood, don't operate by rights. Rights simply does not exist in nature.
The so called animal rights we humans chant and fight for are because of the benefits we derive from the animals not because they have rights. It is all about what we want or need.

Lalasticlala, seun, I think this is a good topic for discussion. Front page please

No they dont

smellymouthjnr2:
seun and his fucking bastard moderators u blocked three of ma accounts in one day, well done if u ban one account I will be opening another one until you stop your favouritism and tribalism cus we are all equal ............ let the game begin...... seun and his mod if you don't ban this account na thunder go fire all of you bastards of a crazy fathers from a LovePeddler/prostitute mothers ones again my middle finger for all of you(Bleep YOU)

I shake my head for you. Why waste all that effort when you can simply open your own forum. Abi na by force to dey nairaland?

royalvalentine19:
they are all recorded in the bible , so you just have to believe it..
But dont fall for it/power.

Moses in the bible performed miracles through the help and inspiration of God..exodus chapter 3
In Exodus chapter 4. It was recorded that he performed miracles before pharaoh. Pharaoh presented his sorcerer and they did the same, but they all failed at the end.
So what that 666 guy was actually calling a religion is sorcery. Which has been in existence a long time ago. He needs prayers

Not real

royalvalentine19:
my guy dont fall for it, you practice a bit of his dance you, are gone, your soul, your family, your life..
I wish you well. Abeg no try am

Don't tell me u believe all these nonsense.

Demigods666:
It's complex to do. Curiousity can't make you complete it.

Where is the one you've made?

Demigods666:
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Tsk, never mind, you can't create the circle to do it so you pass on this .

I would have given you the yoga soul meditation but you will be reluctant to do it.

I am curious, why do you think I won't be able to make the circle?

4everGod:
See how confused you are? You responded to me and said all you saw was mind conditioning. So your Parents or Pastors hypnotized you and conditioned your mind to see the things you did or you conditioned your mind by yourself? Here now you say " Its not the first time you are seeing demons". See how you lie so conveniently. smh

This attention seeker has come again Geez, I don't have time to be explaining things to you today. Only mention me if you know you are a satanist. Alright?

royalvalentine19:
reading this thread was like wasting bonus airtime...

This is poo!

Lol satanists can be funny

Demigods666:
Can you create a magickal circle?

In case you are wondering how I saw those demons I used to see, I was a christian before. I even did deliverances for possessed people (mostly ladies I wonder why ladies are the ones always possessed)

Demigods666:
Can you create a magickal circle?

I am not a satanist.

hahn:
You do realize that there is no sufficient evidence that Jesus ever existed in reality.

Aside from the bible that is.

And you know the bible is not reliable

Exactly. There are evidences pointing to the fact that Jesus was a myth created by the roman empire.

Demigods666:
Should I give you a meditiation to do for a month and see if you will not feel energy and your soul light up.?

Or since you are "hard" man.

Try summoning a demon, I will tell you how to using a dangerous summon method involving a nine foot circle.

And watch what the demon will do to you when he appears


Satanism is no joke.

Lets try it out before you conclude?

Yes go ahead I am interested. Not the first time I am seeing demons, I have seen a lot of them. Been a long while I saw one, so will be great meeting one again

honourhim:
.. Wikipedia is where i will read and learn? Abeg leave tory for Tobias.
Wikipedia is not a reliable research site biko. Ask good researchers to confirm.
Jesus is not original yet you jumped your so called original and have been discussing Jesus and comparing him with copycats.
How come your original is not as popular as Jesus since he started before him?

Christianity is only popular because it cam in handy when the roman empire needed a religion to unite jews and "gentiles" they very well knew the jews were awaiting a "saviour" Jesus was a saviour that appealed for peace and love and submission to authority which was against the original purpose of the saviour the Jews were expecting. The scam is to tell them that Jesus is returning to Judge the world and save the jews, but for now submit to roman authority. Lol
You guys just don't know the history of the religion you proclaim

honourhim:
OP, is the man you are talking about here claiming to be God or a prophet of God or the son of God?
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2. Its obvious and acknowledged by you that the man you are talking about here is a copycat. Copying from Jesus just like Mohammed.

3. It is obvious that Jesus did not copy from anybody. Our bible is not an imitation of any other bible. Photocopy cant be original. Imitation remains imitation. Original remains original. The man you are discussing here is an imitation. Jesus already warned us about imitation so we are not suprised about the man you are discussing.

Jesus is not an original. Read and learn https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_comparative_mythology

honourhim:
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You are just trying to play your usual wayo game. Atheists and deceit. .

What wayo?
Is orisis not far older than the mythology of jesus? Is jesus not a copy of the mythology of orisis?

ifenes:
You won't help financially because your spirit will not permit? Or you don't have yourself?

Hehehehehe.

4everGod:
People hallucinate when their brains are deprived of oxygen or they are starving or are high on some drugs but were you any of these things when you allegedly saw visions and revelations?

Your spirit is now dead so there is no more "on" switch in it that would complete th circuit to light it up with You are clutching at straws and dancing with a shadow known as atheism and feeling you have companionship among them when the Chief atheists are rralising God and coming to him you feel you are wiser and know better.

Christopher Hitchens and his younger brother Peter Hitchen were both atheists....Peter was a militant Atheist but encountered Jesus while Christopher was still alive and tried converting his elder brother over and over again but Christopher died an atheist. However today Peter Hitchens is dismantling everything Christopher established as he is 100% an advocate of the gospel and loving it.

These were the core proponents of atheism and today they are coming back to that which they vehemently fought against and you feel you know better or are wiser due to your desire to "live life to the full" through whatever means.

Intellectuals who were once atheists for 40 to 50yrs have come back to God and you who has only been an atheist for maybe 3 or 4 yrs feels you have discovered what they didnt even though much of the same arguments you use today in defence of atheism and against religion came from these same intellectuals who have now come back to God.

Common sense isnt something you impose on anyone but I would suggest you go get yourself some.

You are so ignorant www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12763006/
You can condition the human mind through suggestions to see things that are not real.
Try it on a little child (they are more open to suggestion which is critical to successful hypnotism) tell the child that you saw a big black shadow crawling on the wall. Pretend you can see it, pretend you are scared of it. Tell the child to look well and he will see the big scary shadow. Tell him it is a demon, tell him it has horns, tell him it is holding a knife. Sooner or later that child will start seeing such shadows.
I know how it works. I can hypnotize you under the right conditions.

Those things I saw then were not real

It is laughable that you talk about people who have been atheists for years becoming christians. You forget that a lot of bishops, pastors and the likes also turn to atheists. You would be shocked how many of those men of god you respect are actually atheists, but they keep up the act because of their marriage, congregation, children or for the money.

honourhim:
OP, is the man you are talking about here claiming to be God or a prophet of God or the son of God?
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2. Its obvious and acknowledged by you that the man you are talking about here is a copycat. Copying from Jesus just like Mohammed.

3. It is obvious that Jesus did not copy from anybody. Our bible is not an imitation of any other bible. Photocopy cant be original. Imitation remains imitation. Original remains original. The man you are discussing here is an imitation. Jesus already warned us about imitation so we are not suprised about the man you are discussing.

The myth of jesus is a copy of that of osiris.

Image123:
And why not consider the option that humans are actually wired that way, wired to worship i mean. And why do you think experiences are hallucinations? Once you do not belueve them, they don't happen. If someone says they happen, they must be hallucinations. If proven beyond doubt not to be hallucinations, you go for another excuse like why did it not happen to so and so etc. Hiding your head in the stand does not take away the fact that you are on the broadway of destruction and in dire need of the Saviour.

Because I used to see things too. I see demons angels and open eye visions. I have seized seeing such since I Regarded it as my mind playing out my belief. So I know for sure they are hallucinations. If I told you details of things I experienced, it may seem I am making things up. The little I shared, I have been branded a liar.

Demigods666:
Lol.

Satan only helps with advancement of the soul.

If you need money, luck and nairabet winning.

Do the spells and workings, programme your Aura etc you will get what you want.

That's interesting.

Demigods666:
It's valid because we have seen Satan.

We have seen the Gods of hell psychically

We have talked with them.

Satan is real!

No Christian have seen their so called false god, neither Muslims have seen their whatever Allah.


Satanism is not a blind faith game.

It's more like the lottery of life.

For me I can't hold back I gotta live life, get every thing i desire.

So if you wanna remain blind.

Your choice

Keep seeing them. Can satan help me with nairabet? I only need 10odds per day and under a year I will be richer than bill gates.
So many uses for satan, hope u are using him abi it well

Step one
To build the charismatic authority, he must show he is beyond human. So he claimed he raised a dead woman even at age 4. Claimed he opened the eyes of a blind woman as a mere 3day old baby. THREE DAYS OLD! Now that will surely get your attention.
Jesus is claimed to be born of a virgin. Claimed to lecture the wisest men of his nation at age 12.
This step is to show you were born extra ordinary. It makes it more divine and God ordained. imagine saying you trained hard to become the saviour of the world, won't people laugh at you? It would mean anyone can train and become the saviour too, but once you make it seem you were born extra ordinary then you make it impossible for others see you as their equals


[Step 2]
Don't bare withness to your divinity, claim someone else that does not know you and has never met you, someone even before you had foreseen your coming. Make the person as mysterious as possible.
Olumba olumba claimed a man in WHITE (pay attention to the intentional use of white that we have associated with holiness) came and wrote O.O.O. On a dead man in the village where he was born and the dead man rose up.
Hmmm... Just like that, a story without any evidence.
An angel appeared to mary and told her she was carrying a pregnancy for God.

Just like that one angel you cannot contact to verify the story, on old man in white cloth you cannot contact.

Just come up with one extra ordinary claim. A claim that has Zero evidence. And you are good to go.

Step 3
Repeat step 2 using different scenarios. Tell them how u were alone one day and God appeared to you and you were discussing with God. Tell them how the devil appeared to you and asked u to turn stones to bread. Tell them stories that can never be verified, but just make sure you keep telling these stories. [b] 2 things will happen, some people will start suspecting you are insane while others will start believing you. It worked for Jesus, it worked for Mohammed, it worked for Guru maharaji, it worked for olumba olumba, it can work for anyone. Even Hitler kept saying he was chosen

There are 3 types of authority in sociology.

TRADITIONAL AUTHORITY this is power legitimized by respect for long established cultural patterns. Eg. If you are African, respect for elders and your parents is almost none negotiable. It is the long standing culture.

LEGAL AUTHORITY: this is the authority enforced and demanded by law. Authority of the governor, president, police, army, etc all come from constitution and laws of the land. It is authority a group of people agree on and vow to obey.

CHARISMATIC AUTHORITY : this submission to the power of anyone with extraordinary abilities. This type of authority taps into the subjects values and hopes. It is never a mandatory authority, it is authority subjects willingly subject themselves to because the see their object of authority as a leader or extra ordinary human. THIS IS THE AUTHORITY OLUMBA OLUMBA OPERATES, it is the authority Buddha, Jesus, Guru Maharaji, Mohammed and others used in getting followers; this authority is mostly exhibited by people who claim to be conferred authority by God

But do you know the secret of all authorities? REWARD AND PENALTY!

Yes. You obey your parents because of the reward and punishment as a little child.
You obey the government because of the reward and punishment attached.

Without reward and punishment NO AUTHORITY CAN STAND.

This is where you have to start from. And olumba olumba tapped into this well, so did jesus and mohammed.

AnonyNymous:
Youre missing the point. I'm not an advocate for either, just following, but Anton Lavey's Satanism is Atheistic Satanism while this one is theistic. LaVey doesn't believe in God or Satan or anything spiritual but this guy does because he practices Spiritual Satanism.

which is even worse. by the time you get deep into meditations and rituals, you start hallucinating cos you condition your mind to see things that dont exist all in the name of having relationship with a being that only exists in your conditioned mind.
humans love rituals because it makes us feel wee are doing something important, something beyond mere mortals.

satanism, christianity are all about submission to fantasy gods

ifenes:
Listen! I read all books but follow none. bible Quran, Sumerian, satanic etc are all about control. The Satanic one is about mental control which is as dangerous as the rest.

Why do you need Satanic ideology when you can be creative with your mind? You cannot tell me you know more than Anton Lavey. Have you read his book? I have.

applause!!!
i was just shaking my head as i read this thread and the other. satanists are no different from christians.

Demigods666:
Satanism preceded judeo/Christianity.

so? that makes it more valid right?

and i am sure cave men worshiped the sun and volcanos even before satanism, does that make the volcano God and creator of the universe?

delishpot:
Satanism is another angle of he Christian religion you know.
The same people that brought you Christ, brought you Satan. You only picked a side of the same coin.

EXACTLY.
It is laughable that satanists think they are free from religious bondage