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FriedYam:
Seun , lalasticlala , mynd44 ... If you are the one who moved this topic probably posted by a shallow minded fellow to the front page on sunday

i'll try to make this as concised as possible

[size=30pt] YOU NO GET SENSE [/size]

TheSixthSense:
Okay. I'm live

TheSixthSense:
Yes it is the truth. I believe it is the inerrant word of God. The bible has been scrutinised for centuries don't you think?

Ranchhoddas:
What does 'discerning' mean in this case? Is it a supernatural ability?

TheSixthSense:
Okay. We can talk, please don't be snide with your comments.

Hargbo:
[size=17pt].. Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit. 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [/size][size=15pt]. Though I did not read your story all through, but the little I read, I will give it to you, you are a good Orator, and Thank God you were used mightily By God as you claim.
This is where a lot of Young Christians get it wrong, You use all your Christian days to pursue Power and anointing, still you don't understand the Love of God. That is why in that last days,many will come before his throne claiming to have raise up the dead in Jesus name, but still he will tell them, I don't know you. You need to know God really not his power and authority. This is the basis of strong Christian faith.
Moreover,if you don't belief in God, why did you believe in shame(the fear of your old converts knowing who you really are now...you beleif that there disappointment in you will be so real when it hits you). You should believe that one day Death will catch up to you, then you will know what you shall become. [/size]

TheSixthSense:
God bless you. Did you manage to read the whole story? I couldn't because of the several comments in between and it's not like he even helped either. Sad story, he mentioned encountering eerie manifestations afterwards and he still believes there are witches and the demonic but now claims there is no God deceiving new atheists that got tired of churchianity and giving more credence to the atheism fad. True, in many such churches, there is no god there, certainly not the same One of the bible. So those that are wise should take heed and seek God through His word. I only feel sorry for these other atheists that think it's 'rational' human behaviour to always look out for christian posts to attack God, christians and christianity.

...An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah...(Matt 12:29)

lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices (2 Cor 2:11)

Keep doing the good work.

TheSixthSense:
I also found that the best books on faith are usually written by martyrs and missionaries and certainly not from freemason wolves like Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, Kenneth Copeland, Rick Joyner, Jesse Duplantis, Mike Murdock, Joel Osteen and the bunch of them who appear in the 'word-of-faith new age money gospel' movement. A foundation built on deception and lies would certainly falter when the storms hit.

TheSixthSense:
Thus says the Lord: Do not let the wise boast in their wisdom, do not let the mighty boast in their might, do not let the wealthy boast in their wealth; but let those who boast boast in this, that they understand and know me, that I am the Lord; I act with steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in the earth, for in these things I delight, says the Lord (Jer 9:23-24)

I sensed that his story couldn't be all lies. I believed he was honest for most parts, particularly when he said christians are heartless because if they knew and believed in hell they would go out on evangelism and I know only someone that has seen that reality to can say such. He also said God is wicked because many people would eventually die unsaved, the majority even, despite his efforts and honest desire to try to reach people for God. Another emotional part was that of the blind man who although he believed 'Jesu I believe...' still didn't receive his healing.

However, one thing I recurrently spotted from his account was pervasive pride. He was still proud of his 'achievements' despite his fall away. So many 'I' performed miracles, I was 'so good' at convincing people (he didn't know that it is God that calls His own), 'I' had the gift of 'word of knowledge' I did this, I did that, 'by now I would have been a superstar'. What did Satan do again, before he got cast out of heaven? Couldn't be much different. My major concern about the whole thing is how many of his kind are still in ministry currently that are in their minds atheists but only continue because they make a living from the career.

His story had a positive effect on my christian walk because it caused me to look inwards, to re-examine and reflect on my motive for serving God is it for glorification of self, to grant my every need - sort of like a genie, not a Lord who owns me - why do I desire certain things from the Lord? Also his narration about fake miracles - particularly about the woman with cancer who although she identified being healed in church left for surgery but they lied by not telling the church members about her true condition - made me look deeper into pentecostalism and wasn't surprised to find that it thrives so much on emotionalism, easy-believism, extra-biblical revelations and activities that almost renders the bible obsolete and also opens the pandora's box of all sorts of occult and strange fire. How someone can confidently teach another a supposed gift of the Spirit is amazing, why then is it a gift?

However, I found that there are people who actually worship and adore God for who He is not because of what He can or would do for them, in fact these lot do not even ask for virtually anything yet they just give thanks. I certainly want to become like them. There is a stark difference in the character and lives of such christians that are many times in contrast with the always bubbly counterparts who usually delight in the gifts and not the Giver. They had a peace and joy not because of anything they have but because they know the Lord.

I also found that the best books on faith are usually written by martyrs and missionaries and certainly not from freemason wolves like Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, Kenneth Copeland, Rick Joyner, Jesse Duplantis, Mike Murdock, Joel Osteen and the bunch of them who appear in the 'word-of-faith new age money gospel' movement. A foundation built on deception and lies would certainly falter when the storms hit.

'They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us' (1 John 2:9)

'Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God' (2 Thes 2:3-4)

Image123:
Actually, you are the confused one here. i have always maintained my stand on faith. Faith is PERSONAL, it is not a pastor's instruction. Faith has to be personal and ALIVE. It is unto you, according to YOUR faith, not according to another's. There is nothing scriptural about a pastor telling you to throw away your inhaler. i follow the Bible, not people's experience. If you follow the Bible, there is no gamble there. Your statement is ironic and contradictory, IF God has healed her she would not have an attack, would she? For instance, i once had hyperopia. i prayed to God in faith and it was taken away. i have my glasses till today. It's somewhere at home, all i need to do is search for it. i did not throw it away, neither have i EVER used it BTW. EVER, and i can guarantee that i see better than you. But God healed me, i prayed in faith and it left. Faith is not in the keeping or the throwing away, God sees the heart and motives.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



I'm sorry- but I stopped reading your bullshit after you said that.

Get a life.

If you were for real, you would go out-of-your-way to PROVE your IDENTITY, the location of the Church where you preached...

I don't have the time to waste.

yorhmienerd:
You just made my day. Kudos! HardMirror EyeHateGod Seun attention needed

CHARLOE:
I remember a story also, of a pastor in america, who exercised his faith by preaching beside a live cobra! After all Jesus promises his followers DAT 'u shall pick up deadly snake & it shall not hurt u' (deliberate act). To cut a long story short, cobra struck pastor (wit is faith as big as a water Mellon, apologies to Hardmirror) and d poor dude died.
His son took over, declaring his fathers death can't weaken his faith. Long story short, d cobra did to him like it did his dad n d poor dude joined his father in hades. ( u can Google d story).
Com n c xtians yabbing dem, calling dem fools! Saying dey are tempting God, so it serves dem right! Then I tot to myself, wat if d cobra bit dem n nothing happened, dey were not harmed ( just like Jesus promised) same xtians will b jumping upandan (luv dis new word, oxford take note) pointing @ d miracle as proof of gods word.
D day xtians ( n Muslims) start looking at d bible logically, dats d day d scales will start falling off their eyes. Funny enough most xtians no dis, dats y dey always say God is not logical, (just like we all no Allah is not logical)

donnffd:
Religion has a way of trying to adapt, the bible writers clearly taught that the earth was flat, they believed that the sun revolves around the earth and when ideas came along that threatened these beliefs, they resisted and fought back until they found out they cannot win, it was proven beyond doubt that the earth is not flat and it does indeed revolves around the sun, and what did they do?, they adapted, they claimed the bible was right all along and it was only meant metaphorically.

So, when we do find intelligent aliens probably thousands of years ahead of us, i want know in what ways can it also adapt in accepting the fact that we really are not the goal of the universe and the universe wasnt created just for us and we are not that special in the grand scheme of things.

cc: AnonyNymous

kevoh:
Kikiki ... Don't you know that when it comes to faith, Christians must always leave a wiggle room to vindicate their god's inaction.

wirinet:
That is where you got it wrong. Nairaland has changed many peoples religious beliefs, many people have abandoned religion altogether because of Nairaland, including the founder - Seun. Nairaland provides avenue for people to come out of the closet and question religious dogma they have been indoctrinated with since childhood.

Image123:
Faith is not the same as gambling or pool staking. Faith is personal, nobody should tell you to throw away your inhaler, that is not faith.

Greatzeus:
And some people are still fruitlessly trying to convince us there is no intelligent mind behind creation.
I don't care who you are or what you, if you don't believe in the existence of God (talk less of obeying his divine principles) you are a failure.
And its only a matter of time,everyone will believe there is God eventually, in this life or next

AnonyNymous:
Building premises on well calculated hypotheses is what has advanced science to this point. That phone you're using is one of the products.

donnffd:
Build a premise?, are you kidding me?...i only asked some questions that would come up in the event we discover intelligent extraterrestrial life. You refusal to accept it as a valid question portrays you lack of confidence and fear.




It seems you did not read the piece, i asked in the event we find an intelligent signal which SETI is right now looking for, what would be the answers of these questions?

Stop dodging and simply quench my curiosity

donnffd:
Noone can deny the vastness of the galaxy and universe as a whole. There are about One trillion planets in our galaxy alone and even if a small fraction has life, it would be in the millions, so it is safe to say it is inevitable to have intelligent life on some of these worlds.

With SETI(search for extraterrestrial intelligence) gaining more funds and better technology to scan the skies for intelligent signals.

I want to ask you guys, in the event we do discover an intelligent signal from an alien world!

- would these beings also be creatures of God?
- would they look like us hence like God?
- would they also need a saviour?
- would we see them in heaven after we die?
- would the sin that applies to us, also apply to them?
- would they be created from dust like we were?
- would jesus also go to that planet and die for their sins?

I am just curious...

folawiyoma:
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


if your friend did not receive his healing, who do you blame?
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.



Romans 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.



has he faith to receive the healing from God and not his pastor?

tonio2wo:
tell that to ibb, dasuki, obj, tinubu, jonathan, amechi, etc.

sometimes it seams as if such scriptures are meant for the very poor

99thEnemy:
Oyedepo could not tell through the power of the holy spirit that he was being scammed?

transient123:
Didn't Oyedepo use holy spirit to detest the guy is a fraud, abi holy sport no dey him body again.

wiegraf:
Such an anthropocentric view here

Animals have their own rights. Snake kills hen, it thinks it is its right to do so.

mctowel01:
You were just so real man.. Heck, I think i ve found my 2nd big brother on nairaland. The first is one guy in romance section. I m someone who loves the truth.. A realist.. Its why i hardly fall for testimonies cos i ve always believed that no matter how sweet a good news sounds, there are always untold details and circumstances behind it. Always!

winner01:
Good question!



Ill say No.

From the christian point of view, we can find in Genesis how man must treat animals. In Genesis 1 God established the relationship between man and animal. In later verses, God gives to man authority over all that was created on earth. Man is to take care of and use the earth. Man is to have the authority over all that was created. This means that man is to assume the control and protection of all that God had created. Animals are to be used by men for our needs.

Animals were not used as food up till Genesis chapter 9. However, God now included certain animals in the diet of mankind and repeats His command in verse two to watch over these animals.


Man is the caretaker of the earth according to the Bible and as such should protect as much as possible animals from sickness, diseases and extinction, use the animals for his needs, keep them from harming humans and protect them from abuse.

johnydon22:
We could say this in some basic sense towards some domesticated animals like Dogs.



Far, we are chauvnistic about our own kind, most animals are - most mammals do not eat their offsprings or their own kind



Is there any more to the definition of basic rights baba?

plaetton:
I completely agree.

Rights are social contracts that we negotiate with ourselves for mutual benefits.