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malvisguy212:
let me give you example of the promise land God promise the israelite, Not All the israelites enter the promise land because of their disobedient, but the children who had No knowledge of good and Evil, God say He will allow them free passage to the promise land:

Deuteronomy 1:39
Moreover, your little ones who you said would
become a prey, and your sons, who this day
have NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOG OR EVIL , SHALL POSSESS IT.

The Bible makes it clear that people are condemned to hell on the basis of their sins and their rejection of Jesus
Christ as the remedy for their sinful condition. However, infants and young children are incapable of fully understanding either their spiritual condition or God's requirements for salvation. Same goes to the mad people who had know knowledge of Good and Evil.

Will you stop this nonsense? Can you even listen to yourself and hear the rubbish you are saying?

How many years did it take before the message of Jesus got to yorubaland? Asia? South america, north america, austrialia etc how many people died before ever hearing of jesus. Are they all in hell for not accepting christ? If your answer is yes, does that not tell you your god's plan to save humanity is a failure, if you say no they are not in hell because they were ignorant of the message of jesus, then what is the essence of jesus dying?
Use your head and think. These jesus of a thing is so ridiculous

malvisguy212:
If they are born that way, they will Go to heaven, But if not, prior to their condition, God will judge their sins and if found guilty, will not be allow in God perfect heaven. God will not allow sin into heaven.

The way you people keep inventing excuses clearly shows religion is man made. God never speaks for himself.
At what point does a child become a candidate for hell if he is not born again? Age 1? 2? 3? When?
So you mean a mad man will go to heaven so far he gave his life to christ before becoming mad, then why did christ allow him to still go insane?
Look at how Ileya ram almost caused WWIII yesterday with christians contradicting each other. All these just shows humans are the authors of religion

ladyF:
Sometimes I think about this too. What of people with psychological problems that have no control over their emotions? Will they be punished because of a disease that they didn't bring upon themselves?

What of mad people that cut themselves? Will they go to hell because they were mad and committed suicide?

Been thinking deeply about the whole concept of religion lately sef....

Ask yourself, why do humans have to come to earth first to proove if they are worthy for heaven or hell? Does it make sense that God wants all humans saved and no one to perish yet he can't create humans directly into heaven? The day I thought deeply about this I realized that even if there is a god, it is none of the popular gods.

@op, I don't consider suicide a sin against god, but I consider it unfair to your family and friends. Think about them.
So much sorrow will follow...

spice123:
I can really see that the truth hurts so bad. May God have mercy on you.

I am an atheist. What do you gain in this lie of yours?

So muslims don't eat out of the ram they share to neighbors?

You want to promote christianity with lies?

frubben:
Eh bros ooo, u said earlier that ur contract don't alway come always, wait ooo the one contract you get before another come na oil well u get, may u dey play game 200,000, 50,000, and so on?

Well am following this uR story lik fly dey follow shit. Our next update

Many nairalanders know my true identity and the job I do. I made lots of money under Goodluck Jonathan's administration. That is all I will tell you

In life you can get lucky. It happens. It does not prove that it's the prayers that worked.

In life good and bad happens to us all. We get fortunate, sometimes we are unfortunate.

It does not matter the religion you practice, it does not matter if you don't even have a religion. Good can happen to anybody.

I have seen where an eight year old boy won 1million naira plus on bet9ja and he did not even research the games he just picked them at random.

You see people who are super rich and successful who don't even believe in God.

So you want to be a millionaire, Must you gamble to become a millionaire?

I will be back in a minute, let's talk reality perhaps someone will sit up and face life squarely after reading my next post.

[size=28pt] NOTE: NOT all testimonies are lies! THERE are lots of genuine testimonies BUT MOST are exaggerations, most are well packaged to hide the truth, most are just show-offs [/size]

So what about the real testimonies? How about those who only spent 100naira and won 5 million what excuse do you have for them Mr. Hardmirror?

I will tell you in a minute.

[size=28pt] MY STORY: Continuation. Most important part of this thread [/size]


THE BIG WIN?
This is the most important part of this whole thread. My inspiration.

June- July 2016 we had the UEFA EURO tournament. A tournament I had prepared well for.
I don't just play bets, I plan ahead. This was the time I was 100% sure I would hit it big.

Well it did not happen. What happened? A week after the tournament, there were lots of friendly games, but something interesting happened during the EURO2016 matches and I will get back to that later.

The day was just one of those ordinary days, nothing special. Friendly matches abounded. I chose 6 games out of the 28 matches I analyzed that day.

I played them. Was expecting 900k+ from one ticket and about 350,000 from another ticket.
I played it and waited as usual.

Well some time around 9pm that day I was with friends having drinks and eating fish barbecue courtesy of a friend that just returned from the UK after his masters program, so we were spending the few Pounds Sterling he brought thanks to high exchange rate.

I opened scorecover.com to check the scores of the matches I played. All games I played that day were over 2.5goals. So I was waiting for Olympiakos friendly match. To my surprise. They had scored about 5 goals.

I jumped up, not believing my luck. When I told my friends what happened they could not believe it just like that?

I was trilled. At last I hit a million naira. 1.3million to be precise.

LESSONS I LEARNT AFTERWARDS

1. Success makes people see you as superhuman.

You need to see how people started collecting my phone number. I mean people I don't know. Men were leaving their drinks and coming to our table to ask for my phone number.

"sir please help me, nairabet has eaten all my money. Please help me give me games let me also win. " Someone I have never met just came to ask me to help him when he heard us celebrating the money I won

That night people were just calling me, Bros/ oga/ sir, don't forget us, give us games.

It was weird.

let one big "Miracle" happen in a church, all of a sudden that church becomes the Church were God is. People start rushing there and begging to be helped, begging to get a miracle also.

[size=32pt] The big problem is people don't ask questions! They don't know the details of the "miracle" [/size]

People did not even know the details of the bet I played!

I played those 2 tickets with 50,000 naira each!
They must have thought I played with N100 or N1,000

That is just one secret.

The second secret?
(Now I don't care if you believe me or not) I had spent 700,000 betting on the EURO 2016 and I lost all the money!

I did not tell a single soul, I have NEVER told anyone. It was my worst secret.
All thanks to the secrecy of online betting and ease of crediting your betting account with atm.

It was terrible 700,000 gone within the month of EURO2016 just like that.

I kept thinking of the things I could have done with the money instead of betting

These people did not know I was rejoicing because I had recovered my terrible lose.

[size=25pt] TESTIMONIES ARE MOSTLY GLORIFIED LIES
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Yes you read that right.

"Praise God I got admission I did not deserve" he won't tell you he was the VC's candidate and they helped him. He won't tell you how he and his mum were kneeling down to beg the VC to help them.

"Praise God I got a job I did not qualify for!" She won't tell you how she slept with the CEO to get the job.


"Praise God I got healed of HIV" he won't tell you he was misdiagnosed and was given a wrong result.

"Praise God I got a child after 20 years of barrenness" they won't tell you how they traveled out to meet a specialist for artificial insemination or other medical solutions the specialist applied.
Even an athlete that uses performance enhancing drugs would dedicate the Gold medal to GOD.



More on what happened next...

udatso:
Following. Hardmirror please continue

I will sir. Let's watch today's games first. Thanks

oviepuege:
How I so love hardmirror (no home) ur post are so realistic. People with open mind will understand D truth in ur post

Appreciate you following. Some think I joke, but I can't be more real and myself than I am here on nairaland. My experiences are what I use to show others why I am no longer a christian.

frubben:
Op hw far now update now. We re waiting now.

I will after swansea -chelsea match

What I never told anyone was the amount of money I had lost betting. Everyone saw me as a successful gambler. Gamblers don't tell people the amounts the lose. Churches don't tell you the battles they lose.

Ranchhoddas:
Leave am. Make him use his personal experience dey conclude for everybody.

If you have a good job like I do, many people will not discover your loses, the average gambler is in financial ruins. Take it or leave it. You are talking of personal experience. Gambling has made me meet soooo many other gamblers. They are usually broke. Only those with good income from other business seem to be doing fine, because they keep using their income from other jobs to cover up. You said you don't gamble, show me those live 100% on gambling and I will show you someone stealing money to gamble. You can never live on gambling. You will keep borrowing or using other peoples money if you don't have a job. Forget stories people tell you. Very few are luck and make millions BY LUCK and if you are not lucky you would have ruined your life before you learn your lesson.

frubben:
@ hardmirror don't feel u know everything there is to know about nairabet, where your own for stop na dere people continue, and u might not have made it , but are making it. I am not a player ooo.

Ride on ur story enjoying

Of cos I don't. All I know is you don't need betting for anything. So why go into it?
You want to make millions? There are better ways to make millions. You just need little change now and then? There are better ways to earn small money now and then than betting. Who ever thinks he is a pro should continue.

[size=18pt] MY STORY: Continuation [/size]
[size=28pt] HOW I WON MY FIRST MILLION AND INSPIRATION FOR THIS THREAD [/size]
Yes I won N1.3Million in a single day with two tickets. Events leading to this and after is what thought me a lot of lessons about religion, christianity and gambling.

To cut the long story short. His vip group was a total disaster!
For the one month I registered. This guy had only abou 4 wins and over 40 loses!
Why did people remain in the group?
They kept reminding themselves that the guy once dropped a game of 240odds and they all won. This means if you played the game with 1000naira you win at least 240,000 naira with bonus, the winning would be about 300,000 naira.
So people kept encouraging themselves. If he has done it before, he can do it again. They believed in his leadership.

There were funny things on the group, people got angry if you keep updating on a tickets progress, they believed if you keep checking your betting ticket, the ticket will lose.

So many superstitions abound with gamblers and these becomes excuses for when loses come.

Churches and christians have lots of excuses for unanswered prayers, could be hidden sin, lack of faith, or not god's will

This is what obtains in gambling too. The forecaster asks you to pay for his services, then you lose and he starts tellling you reasons why you lost. No guarantees!

When advertising they don't tell you there are no guarantees

I left the group when I realized my own forecasts had a higher success rate than this guy's own. So I left the group. And stuck to my own plan.

Then it happened!

I did not start gambling because I wanted to make money. But after I had lost about 500,000 I became more determined to make money out of gambling.


I believed I was a smart guy, I am very good at forecasting games. So I never believed in joining any punting group. I could do it myself!

Many christians feel pastors and churches are frauds so they decide to stay at home and pray by themselves. They believe God has promised to answer them whenever they call on his name. DON'T WORRY, such christians will still run to church. WHY? Because when really desperate situation hits you it is human nature to cryout for help and associate with those he thinks have answers to problems he has and this is exactly what happened to me.

I got fed up and thought perhaps it's time to seek help, it's time to associate with gambling groups on whatsapp, Bbm, facebook, and Nairaland.

So I started from nairaland, there are many such threads here claiming they can help you. Go to those threads on business and sports section and see how people are losing and coming up with new strategies everyday and people keep believing there will be a glorious day.

Then I found a BBM channel, this guy was dropping risky games amd was winning. He was dropping correct scores and was winning. This guy has over 200 followers paying N5,000 per month to him to give them games!

I was excited I called him and quickly joined his VIP GROUP on whatsapp.

I was highly motivated. I could be like Billy walters, indeed all I needed was to stake very high on sure games no matter how low the odds are, I also make sure I have a bankroll, meaning I set aside enough money so I don't have to spend more than 5% of my bank roll at a time, then I will always have money to recover incase I lose.

My faith was pumped up.

And I started getting results.

I went to the ATM credited my Nairabet account with N100,000 and credited my Merrybet account with another N100,000.

I lost about N30,000 within 2 days but I was not shaken, I still had N170,000 left to bet.

Within the next week I won about 85,000 naira approximately. But the odds were too low. The 85,000 naira won and 30,000 naira lost brought my total reserve to about 250,000 naira. Making my profit just N50,000 within the week.

Then I discovered MULTIPLE BETTING
E.g LUCKY 63 which was my favourity, meaning a could accumulate and even if one game is lost I could still make good money.
Truth be told, for almost 2months I was having steady winning using LuCKY 63 strategy. Playing high odds with high chances of winning, all I needed were 8 sure games and so far I have 5 or 6 games with odds greater than 2 winning, I always made profit.

For these 2 months I was having winnings but the whole winning could not have been more that 300,000 or so because it was a very slow process and bare in mind that I was playing with lots of money.

This was just a temporary victory, with my bank roll of over 500,000 naira towards december last year, I was feeling like a Pro.

Things took a terrible turn so quickly, I was shocked.

I started loosing, I lost so much, I had only about 30,000 left in my account.
To say I was depressed was an understatement.

I decided lucky 63 was not worth it again, because to make it worthwhile you should only pick games with 2odds and above else your multiplier will be a waste once one game does not go through.

So I went back to playing corners, I win some, lose some. I was getting fed up.

The youtube videos warning me that betting can never be taken as a profession kept coming back to me. These were seasoned men with decades of experience. They had seen it all. But I was stubborn.
Billy walters became a millionaire using just $20 to start his betting career, why can't I?

The secret I am sure is never giving up. One day I will hit it big. But how will I hit it big without taking risks?

(Pastors will tell you their success stories, you will hear of people make astonishing claims of what GOD has done for them. Check Benny Hinn online, you will see LOTS of videos and blogs claiming he is a fraud, yet some part of you will want to believe he is real. You will see lots of people warning who ever will hear that TB Joshua is a fraud, but when you need a miracle you just want to believe there is a key to your miracle out there.)

[size=18pt] MY STORY: Continuation [/size]
WINNING STRATEGIES
Hope you remember that guy that always claimed if he had 50,000 naira to gamble he will never be poor again?
N50,000 was not a problem for me. I had good money in my bank account. There must be a strategy to win consistently so I started researching. Downloaded several youtube videos. Many of them were talking confidently on strategies that were sure to give you success guaranteed. Unlike many nigerians these professionals don't accumulate they only play a single bet at a time. They are not looking for high odds, even 1.2 odds was very valuable. But I noticed something only those who were looking for subscribers were making claims of gambling being profitable, I came across many professional punter's blogs and videos on youtube saying gambling can never be taken as a profession, YOU WILL LOSE. Many of them have been gambling for over 30yrs and they claimed they had never seen anyone with a success rate of 60% to them 51% was a remakable feat, then again I saw people saying they have been gambling professionally and even have made millions from gambling. They even have offices and lived like celebrities. They tell you gambling made them millions. Prominent amongst them was STEVE STEVENS.
I downloaded as many videos as I could about this man. And read as much as I could.
EVERY blog and site claimed he was a fraud, only his own youtube channel and website claimed he was genuine



Another man was BILLY WALTERS who claims to have made $300million from gambling.

What! $300million?

I did more research on him and found how this man places his bets. This is a man that bets with $1million per game.

Ranchhoddas:
Okay continue. But you are very wrong.

Please your self. My advice is stay off gambling. If you insist I am wrong then go ahead. After all I am just one year old in the gambling circle. You advice people and they keep arguing, this is exactly how christians are blind too. Tell them they are deluded, they keep arguing, tell gamblers they are deluded, they keep arguing. It's alright

Ranchhoddas:
The bookmakers are also gamblers themselves right? How come they are always winning?

We'll discuss that. If you want to be a booker, then you are wise anything else, you are taking a very big risk that is not necessary. If you want to gamble, please go ahead. All the best. Let me continue my story.

Why gamble? I have thought deeply about this and realized that Nobody needs to gamble. Cos I can see someone advocating here and saying experience defers. Don't be fooled. Stay off gambling. Face life and get something better doing. Pursue your dreams. You don't need gambling for any reason at all. Again, a word is enough for the wise. Follow and learn

Ranchhoddas:
Your experience does not apply to everyone. It's like the stock market. It's speculation. No one has control over the events.

no need arguing with you. By the way, when you talk of gambling I am a big timer, I still gamble. And I am a forecaster myself with many people depending on my forecasts. I know what I am saying.

CoolUsername:
Nah, I don't do it because I don't really watch football. But a friend of mine does it all the time and that's his system. It's all about discipline, that's why I won't do it.

Don't ever try it. You will get addicted. Forget all that discipline crap. Gamblers hide a lot of things, start gambling and you start nursing a lot of secret sorrows

Ranchhoddas:
I understand this method. Demands capital and patience. I want the method that can convert N100 to N100,000. I need it right now.

Follow this thread and learn, you don't need gambling for anything. Even if someone wins 1billion with 1kobo (not possible anyway), don't get tempted. Just follow this thread and learn

CoolUsername:
Bet on safe matches. Keep your tickets short but purchase many tickets. Just slot in one long ticket. The key isn't to try to win millions but to turn in a profit everytime.

I shake my head for you. If you still gamble. Please stop it totally. Flee far from gambling. A word is enough for the wise, I hope you won't sit in regret someday.

[size=16pt] My Story: Continuation[/size]
MY FIRST WIN!
I got frustrated after playing for about 2 weeks without ever winning a kobo.
Then one night I placed a bet. I played my choice team have most "cards" in the match.
I went to bed, woke up the next day, remembered I played a bet the night before, so I opened livecore.com to check and lo and behold the other team hand the "most cards" I HAD LOST THE BET AGAIN!
I was almost in tears! When will I be lucky? What sort of nonsense is this? Why did I even start betting at all. Ohhhh God! (I was an atheist then, but still call on God just for the fun of it).

I still had small change in my merrybet account let me just use it and bet since I can't withdraw it (gamblers will understand). You can only withdraw money you have won.
So I logged in and checked my balance to my surprise, the money I had there had doubled. What happened? So I openned my "History" to check and I saw "BET WON"
This was the first time ever I was seeing this so I clicked it. And the bet I played was "GREEN"
I had won! But how come, then I checked a gain and realised I clicked on "MOST CORNERS" and not "MoST CARDS" wow!

From that day I started betting on corners!

This was after I had tried all manner of bets. "Straight win", "Draw no bet", "Win to Nil", "Win or Draw", "Most cards"
So you can even bet on corners for some leagues wow! I was happy! Finally!

(We humans are superstitious in nature, we stick to things we think will guarantee us success just because it did once. Some people think praying into water is the effective way, some think not just water but water of from the ocean, some think rain water, some think using candles, some think using psalms, some think using the name of their pastor, so many things we try as christian, hoping something will work for us, then suddenly one prayer gets answered then we think we have gotten the formular for quick answers to prayers)

[size=16pt] My Story: Continuation[/size]
I recall playing 2 matches within that week, guess what. I lost the 2 games, both real madrid and Barcelona lost their games. Zap! N7,000 was gone, just like that!
I was shocked. I regretted ever playing. Why did I even consider this rubbish in the first place?
But I was smiling, I was with my friends and I did not want to look like a weakling.
They were encouraging me not to give up that it's like that, you win some you lose some. Even sure teams like barcelona and real madrid can be beaten.
I was shocked!
But I was also well encouraged by those I watched the last match with. It was terrible.
Celta Vigo dealt with Barcelona as if they were secondary school boys.

Anyway I will keep trying as those guys had advised.

(This is exactly how christians behave, you pray and fast, no answers, only disappointments, yet they tell you to increase your faith, they tell you to keep praying. Increase which faith again? Faith as small as mustard seed can move mount everest and cast it into the sea, yet it cannot get me a job, or provide for my immediate needs? Disappointments upon disappointments yet all you have to do is keep praying.)

[size=16pt] My Story: Continuation[/size]
This guy would tell me how he is winning 11,000 with just N200 and such stories and he kept saying he wished he had big money to gamble.
I am a contractor and most times I just hang around at home doing nothing waiting for the next contract while spending the proceeds of the last contracts "chopping life" in peace.
Most times I don't get more than 2 or 3 jobs a year and the proceeds are enough for me and my family to settle all bills and flex life until luck comes my way again. Goodluck Johnathan's era was a great year with lots of contract unlike now that government passed budget and I don't know anyone benefiting from the budget.

Then one day another guy I was not close to came to use my internet service to browse, he even came with his friend. Now note: unlike the other jobless guy, this ones were cool guys, sons of very wealthy parents. "Big boys"
I was shocked! So big boys also play sports betting?
Wow!
Honestly I got interested.

(This was how many also became christians, when you see educated men rolling on the ground for Jesus, you begin to get seriously interested in this jesus that big men are rolling on the floor for)

For the first time ever my perspective of gamblers change. I started asking them questions, they laughed and told me that even their own rich parents also play sports betting, told me of their uncles who are bank managers and oil company workers who play with big money some even gamble a million naira a single day. I was shocked!

I asked them what they were playing that day and they said they only needed 3 or 2 odds and they are ok! For real? 3odds? Unlike that other guy that is broke that always looking for 1000odds that will turn 100 naira to 100,000 naira.

My mind started calculating. If I can get just 3 odds on saturday and another 3 odds on sunday I could be making cool cash everyweek instead of just saving my money in bank

hahn:
I agree. On my own authority

I know you are in the game. Please follow this story, it will reveal a lot

[size=21pt] THE UGLY REALITY OF CHRISTIANITY AND GAMBLING[/size]

MY STORY

I started gambling around september last year. Before then I had NEVER thought I could ever become a gambler I HATED it with passion.

Within last year and this very moment I have spent approximately N2.3million naira gambling. How much have I won? I will tell you.

There was this friend of mine who always begged me to borrow him money, he always said if he could get 50,000 naira to bet, he will never be poor in his life again. I always avoided him because I considered him to be a big fooooool.
He would claim he is winning regularly, he even runs to my house many times to use my laptop and modem to browse on upcoming games and also to play bets online. I regret ever meeting this guy...

YOU NEED TO BE WITH THE RIGHT CHURCH/FORECASTER[/size]

FORECASTERS are "experts" at telling you what to expect as the outcome of a Football match, tennis match, basketball or any sport they are experts in. Many gamblers rely on these forecasters to get the right games to bet on so they can win. Forecasters claim to be "special" they tell you how successful they are in predicting match outcomes. They tell you have not won millions because you have not been their client. They tell you to subscribe for their predictions and they will make you a millionaire in your gambling quest.

Why has your prayers been unanswered for so many years? Why?! Because you are in the wrong church! Yes! There is no Power in Redeem! Come to the Lord's chosen, that is where God is answering prayers. No! Come to MOuntain of Fire ministries, No! It is in Winners! No! It is Redeem again, one dead man came back to life in redeem church.

The Journey for a miracle begins! The Gambler and the Christian in search for the formula for a miracle!


[size=16pt] SUCCESS COMES AT A COST! PAYUP TO GET RESULTS[/size]
Are you ready for serious gambling? You have not started until you begin to pay for fixed matches, sure games, pay professional forecasters to give you sure games. Free games are for those who will remain poor you will be told!

You don't pay your tithe, you don't pay your first fruit offering, you don't give "Pastor's Offering", you don't pay "Sacrificial Seed" and you expect God to bless you? You are not yet serious. Pay up and enroll for sure blessing.


[size=32pt] TO Be continued, I will tell you my story as a gambler and lessons a learned even after hitting it big gambling and how I relate it to my life as a christian[/size]