₦airaland Forum

KingCold:
I already did..
If I can add..
We've built countless hospitals
High-speed trains
Universities
Roads
Airports
Schools
Houses
Government buildings..
Hosted world cups
All the things you couldnt achieve since your independence..

But Im wasting my breath here

Comprehending something is a general problem in South Africa

We have achieved so so in Education under the blacks with 15 new universities build

We have improved our road transportation under the black government with extension of 150kn high way

Those are the simple questions I asked you.

You build this and that are mostly built by the whites. Show us, tell us what the blacks have built or the progress they have made that couldn't touch on unemployment

KingCold:
which argument did lose again?

Take a break, eat something with cold water before returning for round 2.

You are already exhausted

KingCold:
Jesus christ.. this white worship is literally getting on my nerves...

Dude.. how are government initiatives aimed to uplift black people the work of whites?

Was there a black middle class under Apartheid? Did black people have excess to electricity? Were they as literate? Did they have access to electricity? Etc...

You ask questions, when you dont like the answers or when they expose how far we have leapfrogged you and your country you quickly dismiss everything as the work of your whites.. when did white people start caring about the well-being of blacks?

List the achievements of the black South Africas that have been governing after the apartheid regime.

Or do you want me to type in Zulu?

RandDigital:
Are Ugandans and Ethiopians complaining?

My guy, where's your proof Nigeria has a worse migration crisis than SA?

Just type how many Chadians, Nigérians, Beninonse are in Nigeria. Easy google search

KingCold:
I stand by my point bruv.. you've never been anywhere near Mzansi

You are standing on K leg because that's how you lots arguments have always been.

Lying about being to Pretoria before, is there any cash out with it?

KingCold:
You attained your independence in the 60s and we attained democracy in 94 yet...
Better standards of living = Black South African
Biggest black middle class = Black South African
Literacy = Black South African
Income = Black South African
Access to education = Black South African
Access to clean water = Black South African
Access to electricity = Black South African
Access to healthcare = Black South African
Access to infrastructure = Black South African
Highest number of USD millionaires in Africa = Black South African
Higher GDP per capita = Black South Africans
I can go and on...

It wasnt like this under Apartheid so these are major strides which way you look at it..can you boast of achieving the same since your independence?

On the other thread, I said you south Africans hardly comprehend the comments you are responding to

All what you listed was laid, done by the whites. Have you quickly forgotten about the old glory on this same thread.

If the blacks that have taken over had build on the legacies if the whites, would you South Africans today be blaming unemployment crisis I. your country oñ foreigners?

The way people are mocking him heh

Almost all the contents over the weekend was about him.

He defeated someone the other day, hope he will still have the strength to fight Anthony Joshua he dared.

Portable oni skan skan

KingCold:
Bruv, you've never been anywhere near SA.. the things you say give you away..

Pretoria, Gauteng, I lived around club 44 underground club, Kfc or mc Donald wasn't far from there

RandDigital:
I'm quoting facts from AU and International Organization for Migration and they don't mention Nigeria. Instead you're a net exporter of migrants.

What supports your argument that immigration crisis in Nigeria is worse than SA's?

How can you or Au know when we don't complain about it.

As long as you a black person in Nigeria, your nationality is irrelevant

KingCold:
what have you achieved better than SA since we attained democracy? Nothing..

I asked you questions first my friend, let's be doing it one after the other

KingCold:
what exactly are you disputing here because I doubt you also know?

South Africa has a unemployment problem granted, but also has a higher GDP, GDP per capita and higher income rates than Nigeria

You could have GDP per Capita than Nigeria but the exact figure was probably manipulated because there is no effects of it in the economy hence high unemployment rate

KingCold:
What does SA having the biggest black middle class in Africa has to do with white people? Or being the earliest waking time?

How are these things "old glory"? Lol

Tell me what major achievements the blacks have achieved since they have been governing the country. Tell us their major projects

KingCold:
You have no clue what we are experiencing

I have been to your country before, so at least I have some ideas.

Now, take the way Nigerians have been prosecuted in South Africa for some years now, but the Ghanaians couldn't take 10% of it. Exactly the issue we are facing in Nigeria but we are just stubborn people which partying always get us carried away from our problems

KingCold:
its not a claim but fact..
Compare Nigeria to SA
South Africa has a unemployment problem granted, but also has a higher GDP, GDP per capita and higher income rates than Nigeria

These thing can co- exist at rhe same time

It can't except if you are manipulating figures.

How did same South Africa indebted to so many financial institutions that currently, they can't borrow anyhow?

RandDigital:
Do you have an illegal migration crisis similar to South Africa's? AU-IOM reports show SA hosts 20% of Africa's migrants, followed by CIV, Uganda and Ethiopia.

So you can't compare SA to Nigeria. Please rest your mouth and fingers on this matter.

Again, that's what you South Africans don't know. The Niger, Chad even Benin people have been flocking Nigeria for decades which the government haven't considered any solutions to them apart from partial border closure. Somehow, we always see them as part of us

What you are experiencing is not up to 30% of the immigration crisis in Nigeria

Do you have an idea about how many illegal Chinese, India, Lebanese in Nigeria? hahah they are even controlling some natural resources

IronGalaxy:
Do you actually understand what is meant by "taking our jobs"?
Consider this, a struggling South African earns R30 per hour, now comes an illegal from Malawi willing to work for R5 for the same hour, effectively pricing out the South African. This is what it means

Sometimes you people need to think logically as not rush to insult and apportion blame, when you have little understanding..

That's the point you guys are missing. You claimed you have high GDP, GDP per Capita yet struggling about basic jobs.

Can you see the flops in you guys arguments?

If I tell you the genesis of South Africa recent problem, trust me, you wouldn't believe it. It's something not been discussed by the South Africans or people generally

IronGalaxy:
hahaha.. do you know what old glory means right?

Yes , the old glory that was laid by the whites which the blacks couldn't build on

I had it before is no longer a property my friend

DrMB:
In addition to the neo-colonialism system, you have now identified the presidency, the constitution, and the legislature as part of the focus. That is the entire edifice.
Which confirms that the solution requires leaders, executive and legislative, brave enough to confront the whole system simultaneously.
That coalition of courage is yet to emerge on the Nigerian political scene.

But you are now asking exactly the right questions and that is where the conversation must stay.
We must all be willing to confront the problem from its very foundation, that is the sole purpose of this analysis.

This is not about APC, Obi, or any single politician. It is about Nigeria.
Because the moment Nigerians collectively understand the root of the extraction architecture operating against them, they can move forward as a people, elect with clarity, demand with precision, and build with intention.
Awareness of the root is where genuine liberation begins.

Are the electorates aware of all what we have been discussing about since? Not even the opposition supporters

RandDigital:
It's mind boggling.

Same as with this helinues who wants to claim Nigerians don't protest on weekdays because they're the most productive people on earth and there are no unemployed people in japageria.

The protest in Nigeria, what have they always been about? Are they about foreigners should leave our country because they are taking our jobs?

IronGalaxy:
Yet all metrics point out South Africans being more productive than you, ever thought about that?
Bigger GDP
Bigger GDP per capita
Biggest black middle class in Africa..
The earliest waking time in the world

Keep calling us "lazy" nothing on the ground supports that myth

Those are the old glory which I have been talking about..All what you listed can't be really there , working yet some lazy ass still one to be blaming others for their own woes

IronGalaxy:
Their obsession with the word "lazy" is mind-boggling..its as if is the first English word they learn at school

Which productive people protest on Monday claiming some imaginary foreigners are taking their jobs?

DrMB:
You've just made the entire argument for all Nigerians without realising it.
Yes! Nigeria is still operating on a constitution shaped by the same neo-colonial architecture that designed the extraction system. That is precisely the point. 1. The constitution,
2. the IMF conditions,
3. the WTO trade rules,
4. the offshore financial platforms,
5. the structural dependency, they are all organs of the same system.
You have just named another one.

So the question becomes even sharper: which Nigerian leader is brave enough to lead a genuine constitutional overhaul that removes the neo-colonial fingerprints from Nigeria's governance foundation?
Not tinker around the edges. Not work within it politely.
Confront it directly.
Because working within a constitution designed to serve foreign interests while calling it governance is not leadership, it is administration of someone else's agenda.

Lumumba, Sankara and Gaddafi didn't work within the systems handed to them. They dismantled them.
That is precisely why they were removed. You have not weakened the argument, you have deepened it.
Every institution mentioned, the constitution, the financial system, the trade rules, confirms that the neo-colonial architecture runs deeper than any single election or politician.
Which makes the question of who will confront the entire edifice honestly not less urgent, but more urgent than ever.
That person is yet to appear on the Nigerian political scene.

You are mixing things together. It's not the duty of the president to change the constitution, that's the duty of the lawmakers.

Before the last year election, I shouted on top of my voice that it's wrong to be channeling all our energy on the presidency as the lawmakers will play a major role in changing some of the old constitution that are obsolete, except if I will have a meaningful conversation about it today.

There are so many issues which I have raised even regarding the new electoral law, such discussion dont make any sense to the opposition.

Tell Nigerians to elect credible people to represent their constituency , a sound lawmakers will reject any policies that won't favour the masses, boldly against unnecessary borrowing

Has she gave the analysis about the 2023 election funds.

Labour party that claimed they spent more money on election petition than the election campaign.

Group of scammers

If not because of Laziness, how many Nigerians are working with South Africa companies or South Africa business owners that they are claiming Nigerians are taking their jobs. Majority of Nigerians in South Africa are hustlers who make their money by themselves, how then can they take your job

South Africa as a country is indebted to so many financial institutions, was that also caused by the foreigners? What precisely did your government do with the funds that the South Africans couldn't fee the effects?

The op of this thread, remember what I always tell you about you people being too emotional, it sounded like insult then but hope it's not sounding the same as you can see what others are saying about the South Africans

Imagine a South African woman claiming it was the foreigners that did not allow her to give birth, how irresponsible can someone be

How can some people be this confused. So you moved to ADC not on your own but because of others which your defection is less than 2 months.

Someone who can't think for himself, imagine such person in the position of power

Imagine one South African woman claiming it's the foreigners that did not allow her to give birth

They are so lazy in that country . What people are not paying attention to is, anytime from April, May, - June every year, that's when the South Africa always have their protest which always follow with looting

DrMB:
This is precisely the trap the neo-colonial system relies on, reducing every conversation to "but the opposition is worse."
Whether Tinubu has made progress in certain sectors is not the argument. The argument is that any progress made on top of a fundamentally broken foundation is like mopping a flooding floor without turning off the tap:

1. Nigeria still generates 4,000MW for 220 million people.

2. The brain drain accelerates daily.

3. The ships still leave with crude oil and return with manufactured goods.

4. No IMF condition has been challenged.

5. No WTO trade rule has been confronted.

6. The neo-colonialism financial system operating offshore platforms to hide wealth of Nigerian politicians are still being secretly used even by the most 'reformed' Nigerian minds.

7. Sponsored insecurities are increasing.

8. All the organs of the neo-colonialism system are still operating in full mode.

9. No Nigerian leader has ever stood up and named the system draining Nigeria's wealth outward, because the moment any leader genuinely does, they stop being useful to that system.

Tinubu hasn't done it. Obi hasn't done it. None of the opposition has done it. That is the only comparison that matters.
Debating which politician manages the extraction more efficiently while the extraction architecture remains permanently intact is not governance, it is housekeeping inside a burning building.

Stop debating which doctor is better when nobody has correctly diagnosed the disease. Nigeria's disease is structural dependency, and until that diagnosis is made honestly, every administration is just prescribing painkillers.

The question was never who is better than who.
The question is who is brave enough to confront the system that has kept every Nigerian leader, regardless of ability or intention, from ever truly fixing the foundation.
That leader has not yet emerged and until they do, the "alternatives" argument will keep recycling itself every four years, permanently.

If we are still using the same old constitution which the neo colonial gave to us, your epistle above are irrelevant.

The president has to work with the constitution

If you want to continue wasting your time, then be engaging with them

I have wrapped up the 2027 election, the focus is now about development and policies and may be the 2031 permutation

Me and them don't have anything to discuss about as I have analysed their principal moves a year ahead which means politically, I am smarter than Peter Obi

If the person leading them is not up to my level politically, abeg what do I need to be discussing with his followers who are far below me.

I have already advised them to stay clear away from my mentions, they are not in my level anymore

DrMB:
Straight answer: agriculture, healthcare, education, human capital, manufacturing, transportation, and financial inclusion are all critically underperforming, but they are lagging precisely because they all depend on the same broken foundation of energy poverty and blocked industrialisation that no Nigerian leader is confronting.
Fix the foundation, and every sector becomes solvable. Leave it untouched, and no amount of time fixes anything.
That is the honest answer to your four-year question; four years, forty years, or a lifetime presidency won't be enough for Tinubu, Obi, or anyone else, because the problem isn't the time given, it's the courage required.

The neo-colonial system operating behind the scenes, dictating loan conditions through the IMF, policing trade rules through the WTO, and ensuring Nigeria remains an exporter of raw materials and importer of finished goods, Western financial infrastructure provides the offshore shell companies even Nigeria's most reform-minded politicians quietly use, will outlast every administration until a Nigerian leader is willing to name it directly, confront it deliberately, and pay the personal and political price that dismantling it demands. That leader has not yet emerged.
Until they do, every presidency is just another cycle of managing the extraction more politely, regardless of how long it lasts.

You are not been sincere with your analysis. Considering the rots in the system for decades, we have seen reasonable development in different sectors in Nigeria

Education, you can't deny NELFUND, lecturer and staff loans, Vocational education is now 100% free

Agriculture: Even though security have contributed to the low performance to some extent but things are not picking up. Last year alone, president Tinubu distributed nothing less than 3,000 tractors to farmers across Nigeria plus over 20k farm equipments. We can see the effects on the price of foods coming down

Custom and Immigration: If you are a regular traveller, you don't need to be told about the improvement in those sectors

Banking and Finance: For decades, Naira was stable against dollar, the reforms and policies in the sector also affect stock market positively

Human Capital: Considering different government projects across Nigeria, the workers involved are Nigerians

Manufacturing is a private sector, government only need to provide enabling environment for them hence banning some products importation

Health sector, over 1,000 new health centers have been upgraded across the country plus subsidized Dialysis operation in some selected hospitals across the country

Road and transportation: I have been asking if Dave Umahi is even have time to rest as I saw one new road project on top of a hill in North just this weekend

All what I have listed above are things you can verify by yourself.

Now, considering the efforts president Tinubu has made in all those sectors, which of those parading themselves as the opposition leaders can do quarter of this, those who can't even manage ordinary political party crisis hence defecting almost every month to a new political party.

Again, there is nothing to be discussed about again regarding the 2027 election. The alternatives are horrible than the current. president

DrMB:
The question isn't whether Tinubu can fix decades of rot in four years, it's whether he or Peter Obi or any Nigerian leader is even diagnosing the rot correctly.
Security and power sector failures aren't isolated policy problems, they are symptoms of a system architecturally designed to keep Nigeria deindustrialised.

The 4,000MW crisis alone makes every other sector discussion academic, you cannot run functional hospitals, universities, factories, or cold storage facilities in sustained darkness. And when that darkness becomes unbearable, the doctors, engineers and researchers who could fix everything else board planes to Britain, U.S and Canada. That is not mismanagement alone, that is the neo-colonial extraction model working exactly as designed, draining raw potential and collecting refined value elsewhere.

So the honest answer to your question is: virtually every sector is underperforming because they all sit on the same broken foundation of energy poverty, blocked industrialisation, and unchallenged dependency.

Four years is enough time to at least name that foundation honestly and begin dismantling it.
The tragedy is that no Nigerian leader, either intending or the current one, has shown the courage to confront the neo-colonialism system that is operating behind the scenes.

@ emboldened, I asked some simple questions, apart from Security and power, which other sectors are lagging behind? Those other sectors that you said are underperforming, do you expect all the problems to be fixed within 4 years?

Be straight with your response this time

DrMB:
2031 ticket permutations while Nigeria generates 4,000MW for 220 million people, bleeds its best minds to Britain, U.S and Canada daily, and exports raw materials to import finished goods, that's exactly the thinking that keeps Nigeria trapped.

The soul of Nigeria's crisis isn't which regional combination wins next, it's that nobody is asking the right questions: why do IMF and World Bank conditions consistently block Nigerian industrial policy? Why are the protectionist strategies Europe used to build their own economies now illegal for Nigeria? That is not misfortune, it is a system architecturally designed to syphon Nigerian wealth outward.

Lumumba, Sankara, Gaddafi weren't removed over electoral arithmetic, they were removed for threatening that architecture. Until Nigerian politicians across every party are forced to name this system directly and answer for it, every election is just a competition to manage the extraction more politely.
Nigeria deserves politicians brave enough to ask the questions that actually matter. Elections are a tool, not the destination and unfortunately, a leader brave enough to wield that tool against the system that actually matters is yet to emerge.

What again do you want to discuss about when the opposition already shredded their own votes

Are you expecting president Tinubu to fix decades rot of things in Nigeria within 4 years?

Apart from Security and power sector lagging behind, could you tell us which other sectors are not working or functioning?